Seven Reasons Why Destiny 2 Could & Should Run at 60FPS on Scorpio & PS4 Pro

There are several reasons why Destiny 2 could and should run at 60FPS on Scorpio and PlayStation 4 Pro, despite Bungie's excuse. Here's a list of them.

[odderz]

Devs aren't making the most of what the PS4 Pro can do, I wish they'd push for 60FPS more often.

[Aurenar]

The issue is that Sony wants to sell 4K TVs, they don't care for 60FPS gameplay...

[freshslicepizza]

This is true and their lack of support in many games that don't offer supersampling is sadly likely the reason. The other erason why its not going to be 60fps is because games with online competion has to run at parity with the PS4, seems like less value to the PS4 Pro but that doesn't end there, PSVR also has to have the same content.

[SpaceRanger]

@ Moldybread

Not sure how you're still on this site when you're spreading nonsense as fact.

You complain about parity, yet fail to realize that all parity issues from now till the end of this gen will be based on the Xbox One's abilities. The PS4 Pro and PS4 will still be running games at 1080p to 4k even after Scorpio releases. The Xbox one on the other hand....720p? 900p? Somewhere in between?

[notachance]

@moldy

weird, if we're talking about parity why didn't you talk about XB1 and Scorpio which have bigger technical gaps?
oh I forgot, you're a blind fanboy.

[blitz0623]

Yet you see Dark Souls 3 getting unlocked on the Pro. Parity? Sure.

Nioh can go 1080/60 or 4k/30. There is no reason for Bungie not to attempt a PS4 pro version where they prioritize performance

[thekhurg]

Destiny was perfectly fine at 30fps. Destiny 2 will be as well.

[butchertroll]

@Blitz

Qoute :

Nioh can go 1080/60 or 4k/30.

There is a difference. Those options are for SP campaign.

[AnubisG]

If Sony really wanted to sell 4K TV's, than they would have included a 4K blu ray player in every PS4 Pro.

Sure, they want to sell 4K TVs but the PS4 Pro isn't the Trojan horse you think it is.

[joab777]

If they did, they'd drop their prices and compete with Samsung. The issue is that they don't want Deatiny to be a Scorpio seller. That and they don't want to split the base in mp.

[Lennoxb63]

Not just Sony, but consoles/devs in general don't target 60 fps and haven't for about 3 or 4 gens now.

[PizzaSteve]

I said that even before the Pro came out. It's to sell 4K TV's just like with 3D games and movies to sell 3D TV's. These companies have to give us, the consumers a reason to upgrade to 4k. Right now I still don't see a need too cause I'm fine with my 1080p TV.

[TKCMuzzer]

Doesn't stop the devs sticking in a 60 FPS option though.

[holdmyown83]

Why do people keep saying this shit!! Sony 4k tv's are not even reasonabley priced for regular consumers let alone holding back a game because of it

[fr0sty]

@moldy

what was that about Pro not improving PSVR?

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[seanpitt23]

Well if its 60fps on the ps4 pro and only 30fps on the ps4 then that would cause a major backlash with it being focused so heavily on a MP experience.

So 30 on both platforms and a higher resolution on pro seems the only fairest way and I expect the same on the Scorpio version aswell native 4K/30 even if it can do 60fps.

[Imp0ssibl3]

There are already games running way better on the Pro, just read the article that names a few.

Also, this comes with hardware refreshes for PC and mobile devices...Not sure why consoles should be exempt.

[Bolts]

What a bunch of BS. Battlefield 1 is 60 FPS on the Pro and 30 FPS on the PS4, I don't see anyone making excuses about parity there. Same goes with Nioh.

It's either they can do it or they can't. If they care do much about parity then the Pro should go unsupported to be "fair".

[butchertroll]

@Bolts

BF1 MP is also 60 fps on regular PS4. Although, not stable. But on PRO is not a stable either

Stop spreading nonsense.

[seanpitt23]

@ Bolt

BF1 aims for 60fps on all platforms yes the pro version runs it better by 5 to 10fps better but that's OK now if one aimed for 30 and then the pro for 60 then they would have a massive advantage playing online.

[joab777]

I agree, but why not just say that? This is why I think that asking that all consoles be locked at 30 doesn't give Scorpio an advantage. Imagine paying as much as they do and being the third best option to play. It's too big of a game.

[cellfluid]

Not if bungie make two lobbies.. One for 30fps and one for 60fps.. Problem solved

[Ju]

The Surge runs 1080p@30 on Standard and 1080@60 or 1620p@30 on Pro. There is no parity clause.

[B1uBurneR]

No Doubt in my mind this is Sony money at hand or it could be for Tournaments so every console owner is playing at the same fps. How does that make sense idk.

Two things will happen 6 to 8 months after The "Behemoth" launch. MS will push for devs to utilize the DX12 feature cross both of their systems during development 2nd. MS will stealthy release more games with dynamic resolution to hit 60fps and you can't really say the game is not 1080p/900p. This way there is parity between systems for MP.

Use this as tool to maket Scorpio as a must have system for 4K Tv. There you Sony problem solved you get to sell me tv's

[SilverDemon]

@ju

The surge is a single player game NOT multiplayer

[Ju]

Please. All MP games run better with less lag on the Pro. It gives every Pro player an advantage, no, doesn't it? It's never 100% the same. BF1 runs higher res and has better details which also is an advantage. So, what's the point. So much conspiracy here.

[bluefox755]

They are, they're just prioritizing graphics over performance. It's always a balancing act, no matter what the hardware is, and much of it comes to developer discretion. They could turn the graphics down and run the game at 60fps, just like CoD does, but many devs choose not to. Like it or not, pretty graphics and higher resolutions are more marketable than frame rates.

[CrimsonPheonix]

Except they're not, devs just think they are.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Probably because the most they can push is resolution.

Or it could be the patches are more work than their worth.

[dreadz74]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Cybermario]

dont think Bungie will benefit the PC platform over what scorpio and PS4 PRO can do honestly, but i can understand why Sony and MS dont want to go beyond 30fps, that will segregate PS4 and Xbox One owners that cant do the jump to Scorpio or a PRO.

[joab777]

Yeah, but Ive heard that PC is much better than the Pro. Like very noticeable, and it was in medium settings.

[Cybermario]

oh for sure, i can see PC having advantages, but we are not talking graphics here and that will not be a factor when it comes to fun, features is what i am talking about.

[xsta1ker]

well thats to bad for them if they can't make the jump for whatever reasons cost no 4k tv... i don't believe the hardware upgrade i or anyone else pays for should be restricted at all for any reason. if thats the case why bother
with new systems not everyone has them still playing on ps3 & 360.

parity is old school thinking everyone that chooses to pay for better tech should get all the benefits of that tech
or guess what don't try selling a more expensive product with handcuffs to your consumers.

[EmperorDalek]

So you think PS4/X1 players should be at a disadvantage against Scorpio/Pro players? Developers can make whatever upgrades they feel like. If 4K is what they or Sony wanted, then that's fine. PS4 Pro has mostly brought resolution upgrades so far anyway.

[Cybermario]

i can understand your point of view, but is not how things work. Developers and publishers want to sell games, if you segregate your p[layerbase "hey bum, buy a 4k tv and a Scorpio/PRO or you cant play the game" is not really what these companies want, again, they want to get the game to a majority of players.

Also dont forget we are not talking usa only, certain countries have absurd prices for new tech, but even in the usa the economy dont let some people upgrade as quick as they want, they have the right to enjoy the game too.

[Sam Fisher]

Wtf are you talking about? How many years has it been since xb1 or ps4 came out? I think everyone at this point can upgrade just not everyone buys into mid gen stuff like myself, i have iphone 7, i only get main number phones no s, its a waste of cash. In my view ps4 pro is a dumb purchase ill wait for ps5 in the next years. Now skorpio id understand bc ms messed up with xb1

[Cybermario]

yeah i will wait for a PS5, not buying a PRO, especially as a lot of developers are not even giving patches or supprt for the games.

But no, i disagree with you, not everyone can upgrade, economy is not equal for everyone.

[LavaLampGoo]

Once again I'm in awe of the marketing for a Bungie game. I've never liked the Halo series or the first Destiny but I keep buying them and so help me God this looks sooo tempting.

[KingKionic]

Destiny 2 Will Be The Only Shooter Running at 30FPS in 2017

Rainbow Six: Siege – 60FPS
Star Wars Battlefront (and probably the sequel, too) – 60FPS
Halo 5: Guardians – 60FPS
Battlefield 1 – 60FPS
Gears of War 4 – 60FPS
DOOM – 60FPS
Overwatch – 60FPS
Titanfall 2 – 60FPS

"It should be noted that these games managed to get 60FPS on the original PlayStation 4 and Xbox One consoles, which have weaker CPUs than the PS4 Pro and Scorpio."

Exactly.

Lets not forget what bungie said back in 2014

Bungie Explains Why Destiny Is Not 60fps On The PS4 And Xbox One

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

“It’s a lot of different things,” explains Jason Sussman who is the senior environment artist at Bungie. “I could get really technical, but I’d bore you to death. A lot has to do with performance. We’re cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles. A lot goes into that, from geometry to textures to post effects to particles to how many players you get on the screen. We’re always balancing that out to make sure everyone gets the same experience,”

Xbox Scorpio definitely should run 60 fps no questions asked. Not even something that should be argued.

But if Scorpio is not 60 fps bungie will be made a fool on a grand scale when there are tons of shooters running 4K 60 fps on scorpio.

They will throw out there "well you see we are making the game on 4 different systems" like they did last time as damage control for parity reasons.

[butchertroll]

Quote :

tons of shooters running 4K 60 fps on scorpio.

.......

Where? You have Scorpio?

[KingKionic]

I did say "when there are" so stop the nonsense it's getting old.

[GearSkiN]

overwatch doesn't run 60fps on console bruh

[KingKionic]

Overwatch Digital foundry

https://youtu.be/DrWoDjj6xH...

[Ju]

Well, if you must bring this up, Paladins runs 4K@60fps on the Pro with some occasionally drops to about 1800p. So, right, why doesn't Destiny 2 run 4k@60, huh? /s (on a serious note, why doesn't Overwatch run at higher res. It's not looking that much different than Paladins).

[InTheZoneAC]

someone's retarded

[Ju]

Rainbow siege is locked to 30fps or unlocked, runs 85fps on Pro (Boost). Unlocked but the frame pacing is terrible. This is the worst of both worlds, really. Not sure why they did not add a 60 locked option for Pro. Also, it does not support the Pro in any way. It is simply the overclocked version of the PS4 game @ 1080p. I rather prefer a rock solid 30fps @ 4k (like no hickup HZD) mode than that crappy unlocked 85fps...(well, unfortunately, that 30fps in RBS is full of stutter as well). Destiny 1 runs absolutely smooth @ 30fps, though.

Why would the Scorpio run this @ 60fps if the CPU is only 100MHz faster and the games problems are actually CPU bound?

[KingKionic]

Rainbow Six Siege in the multiplayer versus runs 60 fps most of the time

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Terroist hunt is locked to 30 fps.

Its obvious just with battlefield 1 and battlefront alone what is possible.

Im not gonna go into that trick about CPU mhz etc back and forth.

Sometimes its best to just look with your eyes.

[Ju]

Still, RB6 has no Pro mode what so ever. You can disable the VSync all together which makes the 30 fps modes unlocked. And those run >85fps on the Pro in Boost mode. That game just is the worst example ever. It has screen tearing everywhere. It real isn't a shiny example what a good looking game is. Also, in your link it explicitly states, that it disabled 60fps for every game which includes any form of AI - which is always running on the CPU. Exactly what Bungie is saying. Thanks for the confirmation. Couldn't have said it better.

[Aenea]

Dude, think! Not every game is the same, that one game can be 60fps in a certain resolution doesn't mean another game can use the same fps and resolution!

Most of those games run in higher than 1080p resolution on the PS4 Pro if they are multiplats. You love to bring up Battlefield 1, well it's 1800p at 60fps on the Pro (don't think it's even checkerboard rendered but am not sure), with your same faulty logic it would mean Destiny 2 could run at the same resolution and framerate on the Pro and the game CAN NOT! Why is that you think? Why can you use this example to show Scorpio can do it but not for the Pro?

Also, you've used that quote before from a "senior environment artist", you do realise that is not someone who writes code or works on game engines for a living, right?

[KaiPow]

I'd be satisfied with just seeing the 60FPS increase in competitive multiplayer. It's smaller arenas with a limited number of players and can be tuned for those limitations. Uncharted 4 did a similar thing.

[Alexious]

Gears of War 4, too. I suppose that's too much work for Bungie...

[Jakens]

4v4 multiplayer could mean great things for fps.

[TheGamez100]

Even uncharted 4s multiplayer ran at 60fps, bf1 and battlefront ran at 60fps and those games look gorgeous. Destiny 1 ran at 30fps while looking meh...

[Ju]

Why do you guys compare these games? Destiny is a fundamentally different game. It has larger worlds and random events on a much larger scale. UC4 and BF are your typical run of the mill map based vanilla shooters.

[InTheZoneAC]

destiny multiplayer is not a large world with random events

bungie said their target was 60fps for consoles, but we can all agree that when they can't achieve that with 4v4 something is wrong them their team rather than any excuses they throw at us

[ThatGuyDart]

This is on Bungie. They could easily just give players an option of 60fps/1080p it doesn't HAVE to be 4K

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

You would think Destiny, could run at 60 FPS, on the vanilla PS4 and XB1, by using a dynamic resolution.

[timotim]

Sony almost has to push for 4K, be it checkerboard 4K or native even though Pro really isn't up for the task because of there battle for mind share in the console space with Scorpio. Since MS has come out from the beginning to claim that Scorpio will be a "true 4K" console what it did more than anything is force Sony to push Pro as much as possible for that 4K mark when really Pro was designed to be more of a 1440p/60 box instead of a checkerboard 4K/30 box. I said this before, but Sony will spend so much time trying to keep pace on the resolution front that performance will suffer as a result. Not even Pro games are hitting rock solid 60FPS when devs do attempt it.

[butchertroll]

LOL! WTF you're talking about. Pro came out last year. Since launch it already has native 4k games and checkerborded 4k games. And Sony didn't hide anything on conference. Not a single spec for PRo. Sony will try to keep the pace, with Pro even if Pro was launched last year. WHAT A DUMB LOGIC, man. Nice try.

[timotim]

Your comprehension skills needs work...

[butchertroll]

LOL! Your comprehension needs work, Xbone fan! You need to realize and put it in your brain that PS4 PRo will be a year out when Scorpio lauches this holiday. You need to realize that Sony is with Pro in comfortable place AND THEY DON'T NEED TO KEEP THE PACE WITH SCORPIO and why should they! Your logic is dumb as shit!

You should go back to reality and realize that Scorpio has a crappy Jaguar CPU. If some game is 30fps on Pro, it won't be 60 fps on Scorpio. You should be ready for some dissapoitments. If not, i will mock you every single day here. FOR GOOD.

[timotim]

Again, your comprehension lacks quite a bit. What you just said has no connection to what I've said. I said Sony will be trying to keep pace on the RESOLUTION front...what I said has noting to do with sales or amount of time on the market haha.

[ScorpianKing]

Dude - READ ! "trying to keep pace on the resolution". Whats all the above non-relevent stuff got to do with that comment?

[butchertroll]

LOL! Sony does not need keep the pace on the resolution front. Since Pro launch it was well known that Scorpio will be more powerful A YEAR LATER. Scorpio didn't came out a day after, man. Your understanding and logic are full of shit. Goddman, Xbone fan! You're pathetic!

[zuul9018]

Maybe he is im not sure, but i dont think youre any better.
The way some people type it makes it so you can almost see their rage, and its really sad. Dont burst a blood vessel guy.

[JasonKCK]

butchertroll it's clear that Scorpio causes you pain

[UCForce]

It depends on dev. Not Sony and Not Microsoft.

[Ju]

I wouldn't say it's build for 1440p@60. There are quite a view games running higher res at 60fps, closer to 1620p or even higher. Interestingly also some native 4k @ 60fps (Fifa, Paladins,NBA, ..). But I would say, native 4K is not the sweet-spot of the Pro, I would agree with that. For the framerate, though, the bottleneck is the CPU and possibly memory bandwidth (with the shared GPU access). I don't think there is a CPU core with lower power / higher performance big enough to be yet available to allow sustained 60fps. GPUs might be close, but putting a "cold, small" CPU with that power envelope into a console isn't possible just yet. Even for MS, hence it's still the same core but higher clocked.

[butchertroll]

Quote :
The Surge runs 1080p@30 on Standard and 1080@60 or 1620p@30 on Pro. There is no parity clause
.....
That's a singleplayer game, not multiplayer. That's a big difference.

[Ju]

So? BF1 runs (up to) 1080p @ 60 on the standard, and up to I don't know, 1800p @ 60fps on the Pro? Incl. multiplayer.

[Ashunderfire86]

The CPU is a bottleneck on both consoles guys 2.1 and 2.3 is not enough. Not enough compare to a i5 or i7 cpu!

[butchertroll]

XBone fans have some really high expectations for Scorpio. They don't ( better to say "won't") realize that Scorpio has a crappy Jaguar CPU. Dude, just wait for some huge dissapoitments. It would be glorious.

[Elda]

Mugato from Zoolander..."It would be glorious!"...lol.

[zuul9018]

Why would it be glorious? It seems like you just want that so you can come back here and more or less do a "i told you so".
Why does this matter so much to you? In what way does it really effect your life if it disappoints or succeeds?

[Muadiib]

I'm not an Xbox fan but the Scorpio has some custom hardware designed to take the strain off of the admittedly weak cpu. See Digital Foundries video for an example. Basically if a game is built using DX12 then the dedicated hardware can take as much as 50% of the work load off of the cpu. If Destiny 2 uses DX12 then it will likely run in 60fps on the Scorpio, get ready for that.

I'm playing on a PC though so either way I get 60 fps ;)

[Aenea]

The worst part is that some are already in full defence mode. They're now shouting that if Scorpio is not showing any huge advantages over the Pro that it would mean Sony has paid off the developers to keep parity with the Pro. It's hilarious on one hand, but oh so sad on the other...

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@Muadiib

Those CPU optimisations aren't going to help a game engine that is using the CPU for lots of AI and physics calculations!

People have way too high expectations....

[InTheZoneAC]

I think it's more interesting that they're hyping up a mini pc with no actual exclusives to back them up

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The problem with the Pro is that it only has 212 GB/s bandwidth, which is barely an improvement over the PS4...no way it can deliver high resolution and 60 fps. I also don't think it's as much of a bandwidth, issue. The pipes aren't big enough.

[butchertroll]

Of course bandwidth has nothing to do with 60 fps.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I meant to say that bandwidth is the issue

[MrSec84]

Pro actually has 217.6GB/s, base PS4 has 176GB/s, so Pro has an extra 41.6GB/s of bandwidth, that's quite a bit more and so you know if you're using assets multiple times in a scene you don't always need to transfer that same data back and forth.
Good data flow management and optimization can allow for vast increases in FPS if you put the work in for that, not to forget planning for that target from early in the project's life.
Pro's also using newer GPU tech, with improvements to it's cache, data compression, latency, etc, all of which makes better use of that bandwidth, while also reducing limitations compared to older architecture.

TBH when you compare Destiny 2 to 60fps games we've received this gen it's not up there visually, hell it's lacking in the physics department too, especially compared to Battlefield.
When games can handle more than double the resolution on Pro compared to base PS4 and in some cases 4X while maintaining the same settings and frame rates as base PS4, Pro is definitely not bandwidth limited when scaling up linearly.

Base XB1 and PS4 should be able to handle D2 at 60fps, if Bungie were using decent, modern parallel cpu code division and asynchronous compute.
Seems like their engine lacks proper GPU Compute for physics workloads or overall rendering and math work, which is because they're using a basic iterative update of the engine used in Destiny 1.

[TheColbertinator]

@MrSec

Fascinating. Good to see an educated comment on N4G

[Ju]

And in addition it has a FP16 mode which seems to have been used heavily in optimized engines of late. Looks ike thats lacking in Destinies engine as well.

[Vasto]

PS4 Pro is too weak.

Waiting to here the reason why it wont be 60FPS on Scorpio.

[UCForce]

Nope, that would be dev choice to do it. More importantly, there will be some games on Scorpio run at 30 fps. Star War Battlefront 2 will run 60fps on both Pro and Scorpio. So yeah, it's about dev choice.

[Number_9]

Performance advantage vs Xbox One players online. That there is the only reason you need friend.

[Ashunderfire86]

REPORT: Wow!

This game look the same! They said this can't run 60fps on consoles? Damn I got to retract what I said before, about the CPU bound. No it is the engine that needs to be change. This game looks the same. Battlefront 2 will own the donkey crap out of this game!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Elda]

It looks like a huge new expansion of Destiny knowing the engine looks the same.

[Muadiib]

I think you're forgetting Destiny 2 is an mmo-ish.

[Relientk77]

Witchcraft

[_LarZen_]

And here is the one reason why that will never happen. It's a multiplayer game that you will play with and against others on PS4/XBO. And it's running at 30 fps on those consoles.

[xsta1ker]

ya so whats that have to do with anything... are you saying just because ps4/xbox can only run @ 30 this should
restrict the pro/scorp. this has been the case on pc from the get go and should be the same on console.
you have a choice to upgrade for better performance or don't.

[_LarZen_]

But this isn't PC is it?

It's quite simple really. These consoles are not like a PC where you can adjust graphical settings to hit a more responsive 60+ fps. Or buy parts and monitors for even more responsive and fast gameplay.

PC is open plattform and echo system. Consoles are not. The PS4Pro clearly shows this with zero games having significant benefits in multiplayer games. So the sooner people get out of their heads that there could be a boost from 30 to 60 fps in multiplayer games the better.

In singleplayer games sure. Multiplayer a big no.

[JasonKCK]

Not a problem for PC.

[butchertroll]

Quote :

butchertroll it's clear that Scorpio causes you pain
......
I don't have a problem with Scorpio, but i have with Xbone fans and their spin in every single way.

[MazeRunner]

The game could've been 1080p 60 fps on the Pro and Scorpio but the consoles CPU is the problem, confirmed by Bungie. if you really need 60 fps stop bitching and get it on PC

[steveo123456]

So get a pc and take back control

[Elda]

For the single player experience they should have it at least 1080p/60fps as a option on the Pro but I understand if folks are playing multiplayer especially PvP on the OG consoles with the newer consoles they want to keep the framerate on par with each other.

[Sam Fisher]

Well bungie is known for not getting right the first time, if i can find the video of when they made halo 2 and the director came out and said this is how halo 1 was supposed to be. Maybe destiny 2 was how destiny 1 was supposed to be..... yay... so we playing the real destiny 1

[Fishy Fingers]

If you want control over your settings, buy a PC. With consoles you relinquish freedom for optimisation and ease. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[joab777]

I guess we shouldnt have expected more from a publisher that has used the same engine for CoD for entire life.

[thisismyaccount]

The funny thing is, that there are sites reporting that due Sony´s Restriction or Limitation the scorpio will be locked too at 30fps. But everyone seems to forget one and most likely the most important one : the lowest common denominator

... and that would be the Xbone. This machine can not render it at 1080p 60 nor at 900p 60 (usually reserved for PS4)... that would mean that Destiny 2 would have to run in 720p Mode to reach 60fps on the xb1 and for a 2017 title that´s a no go for anyone.

So instead of 60fps at 720p you get 1080p30 on both base machines or 900p30? on the xbone (forgot at which reso. both run destiny 1). Both PS4 pro and scorpio can run ANY game at 2k60fps ... FF14 runs at 2k30fps on the standard PS4 (not perfect according to the players) and HAS a lot more "stuff" on screen going on than Destiny 1 or 2 and with stuff i mean real people playing the game.

Destiny 1 and 2 are limited to 6? simultaneously on screen at any given time + some enemy mobs and some effects what they call physics caluculation ... 2k60fps is easy peasy achieveable. Battlefield 1 runs at 2k or higher 60fps on the PS4 Pro with twice as many shit, kaboom, pewpewp and dead soldier on screen going on ... ... while looking muuuuuuuuuuch better than Destiny 2 (even on the PC).

[ASBO-5]

I'll give you one good reason, it's 2017 for f***k sake, get off your asses and just do it already

[Traingamez]

why are we putting ps4pro and scorpio in same category ?? ps5 is the answer to scorpio... pspro WAS the answer to the xbone s and it beat it....just as ps5 will come out and beat scorpio

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

No son. Xbox one s is just a Xbox one slim. PS4 got a slim version too.

Xbox one Scorpio is answer to PS4 pro.

PS5 and the Xbox Two will be in the future.

[Trekster_Gamer]

PS4 Pro... Not a chance

Scorpio Not a problem!

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Half their arguments are, I disagree and they should respect my opinion.

[zb1ftw777]

1080p 60fps options or i won't even contimplate getting a pro or Scorpio.

[Aenea]

Sigh, game engines might use the CPU so extensively that the games they run can never achieve 60fps, not even at 720p. It's the developers'/game engine's fault not the hardware...

And even then, they could move many calculations to the GPU and reach 60fps but it will come at a cost in the visual department, either lower resolution and/or less appealing visual effects....

[zb1ftw777]

Nope.

It's mostly Sony wanting to sell 4k TV's, and MS are striking 4k freesync TV deals with manufactures as we speak.

The reason is always money and sales. There is no other reason whatsoever why 1080 60fps games can not be made.

[Aenea]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Sony or MS, it's all up to the developers...

[Prince_TFK]

I can make a thousand reasons really. At the end of the day, its up to the devs and up to us to voice our opinion through our wallet.

[chrisoadamson]

no parity clause for sp and mp on scorpio. recently confirmed on Twitter by Xbox. so I fully expect native 4k / 60 on scorpio. its fairly obv why bungie aren't allowed to mention scorpio as playstation having advertising rights. the biggest thing holding back ps pro isn't the devs it's PlayStation themselves . all games must run the same as on original.this includes psvr . this is what will push scorpio sales . the lack of a leash

[Altovoltage]

Well that's good to know now I can save the money I would of spent for this game.

[Brohan]

Bungie even said themselves that the PS4 pro just isn't powerful enough to run at 60 FPS get over it. At least it's in 4K and 30fps

[adonisisfree]

It's funny how the developers haven't even mastered the 1080p era, how many ps4 games run natively 1080p 60fps? Maybe an handful... Now we make the jump to 4k, before we even get a handle on the 4k era , the tv industry will usher in 8k..

[Father__Merrin]

i think on console its locked at 30 ue to being constantly online it is like an mmo style of game with no offline

[nicsaysdie]

I don't believe that D2 is going to be cross platform between pc, Sony, and Microsoft. So what they could do, so as not to alienate their fanbase, is matchmake for console. Pro to pro, Scorpio to Scorpio, pc to pc, ps4 to ps4, and Xone to Xone. I believe that's what they did in regards to ps3/ps4, and I didn't hear anyone crying about being trounced by users of the superior system. Problem solved, unless it is cross platform. Then I'll just have to cull through all of the articles of users complaining about the "pc master race", and their advantage over everyone else do to keyboard and mouse. /s

[bumbleforce]

I think if it was going to be 30 fps on scorpio they would of said its going to be 30 fps on everything. people are already mad at 30 fps on pro if they would of said oh ya the xbox version is 60. ps fanboys would be butt hurt and it was the reveal day. they don't want that to be the major news coming from reveal event

[fatbastard11]

If you care about framerate you need to go PC.Not really any other way around the issue.

[teo72]

the GPU inside ps4pro should be able to handle at least 1400p60 upscaled to 4k, as long as the graphical fidelity isn't to great. The CPU cannot handle the physics at 60fps, regardless of resolution. That is what the devs are saying. Only if they reduce the physics demand on the CPU, can they get 60fps. This is something the devs aren't willing to do. Let us play the beta before we bring out the pitchforks...