Samsung: Next wave of HDTV to Offer 8x Better Resolution, 4,000 x 2,000p

Scott Birnbaum, a Samsung vice president for LCD sales, says the next wave of High-Definition TVs will offer a picture resolution of 4,000 x 2,000 pixels, eight times the resolution of 1,920 x 1,080 pixels. That's according to an article by The New York Times.

However, the executive added that Samsung hasn't even started building a plant to produce the new model, but Birnbaum says the company is discussing the super-resolution set with customers.

Birnbaum also told The Times that worldwide demand for LCD sets are now outpacing supply, which is keeping profits up.

Samsung is now the world's leading seller of LCD TVs.

[360sucks]

sh!t alot of people cant afford a 1080p hdtv
how much is this going 2 cost
(reply)lolololololol

[Salvadore]

An arm, a leg or even a Kidney.

[ddldave]

uh, i just bought a 1080p tv from them, and now they're just going to blow me off like this? damn.

[Lumbo]

Actually he did NOT say that, he said that in the future, resolutions could go up to that level, but that not even a fab is build where such panels could be produced. Actually all he stated is, that his company is speaking with partners on the possibility to make such high def screens.

The misleading title + the sloppy quoting degrades the original articles quality greatly.

[ktchong]

The topic and summary basically came from the credit source, TVPredictions.com:

Here's TVPredictions.com's title for the article: "Samsung: Next HDTV to Offer 8x Better Resolution" - I just basically took that and clarified on it.

[bootsielon]

"Only Blu-ray is needed for 3 generations more".

[socsca]

What?

[TheXgamerLive]

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[frostbite06]

WTF does that mean?

[Tranz]

whats the point of a resolution that high? The human eye can only see soo much!

[socomnick]

The human eye can see way way more than that resolution m8. Human eye can see something like 600 -900 mega pixels.

[xplosneer]

Yes, that's true. but where does it become useful per dollar?

[blackmagic]

With 20/20 vision, the human eye can discern 1/120th of a degree of arc at 10 feet. Using basic geometry, this means that the human eye is capable of discerning a 0.034" x 0.034" pixel at 10 feet. If the pixels were any smaller, you would not be able to discern any extra usable visual information from them due to the limitations of the human eye.

At 10 feet viewing distance, pixels can be as large as 0.034" x 0.034" before human vision can detect individual pixels. 0.034" multiplied by 1920 gives you a screen width of just over 65" and multiplied by 1080 gives a screen height of just over 37" for a 1920x1080 resolution screen. Using Pythagorean's Theorem on a 16:9 ratio screen gives you a diagonal just over 75".

Sooo... if you are sitting 10 feet away from your television and you have 20/20 vision, your television would have to be larger than 75" before any resolution greater than 1920x1080 would be physically possible for the human eye to perceive.

[DeadlyFire]

Yeah we know human eye can see this and much higher, but do we really want a TV that spans the whole living room and around part of the wall? Why not just make something that fits over our eyes that shows TV or just make something with better picture like with the next set of new TV tech with 1,000,000: 1 contrast and stuff.

[Hydrollex]

we will have a news like this

Samsung: Next wave of Blu-ray to Offer 20x Better Resolution, 10,000 4,000p

[jaja1434]

Actually if something like this did happen it would probably be on the next formate to come around. Probably the holodisc or something close to it.

Neither BR nor HD can hold a candle to some of the formates that are currently in the works, but thats how it should be.

[WilliamRLBaker]

HAHAHAAHAHAH what a...***** do you have any idea what your talking about token black man?

If and 1080p movie right now takes up 20 gigs....how much do you think an 2000p movie is gonna take up? lol your a fool. Blu ray would CHOKE on that resolution.

[man0fsteel]

what does a being a token black man have to do the topic William? Nothing. are you insinuating that he's slow? ha good one,

ANYWAYS... both formats will be able to handle this "upgrade" remember.. HD DVD is at 51gb (triple layers)right now and blu-ray is at 50 as well (dual) both with room to gain more storage in the future. (they were talking about 200gbs to a terabyte). It may not be mainstream, but its definetely not impossible. Next time please think before you open your fat mouth

<--Man0fsteel aka black guy

[xplosneer]

On a 100GB or 200GB disc that wouldn't matter. The problem is that the HDMI cable would probably explode. LOL

[blackmagic]

a 4kx2k image would require 4x the storage capacity, a cable with 4x the bandwidth to transmit the signal and players with 4x more processing power to decode the video. The technology already exists but it will likely come as the successor to Blu-ray/HD DVD due to the exeptional limitations of both standards to process a 4k video stream.

Btw, 4kx2k projectors are already being manufactured for commercial digital theatres and the resolution is considered to be equal in quality to film stock.
http://www.dalsa.com/dc/abo...
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15...
http://cinematech.blogspot....
http://www.crunchgear.com/2...

[Blasphemy]

William you have no idea what your talking about. Blu Ray maxes at 8 layers with 200gb which has yet to be achieved yet. I don't think there will be any consumer need for any format after blu ray.

[FamilyGuy]

Hmmm, what the point? Are these screens also going to only be 100in plus in size? Seems very unnecessary, especially seeing as only PCs output images in that resolution and videos are of course never that size anyways.

Maybe it'll have a BUILT-IN upconverter that does a good job. Seems VERY pointless

[I Call 9MM]

This probably would be out of reach for the average consumer, obviously. And content providers will probably not offer any content in these resolutions (consoles only do up to 1080p now, and most of it is scaled). 1080p is the highest any content offered right now goes up to (minus PC games of course). Now, these monitors do have a use, especially in industry. One screen could display 4 or more images of HD video at once, which would be good for monitoring equipment and the like. There definately is a use for these screens, just not for us average joes.

[snoop_dizzle]

yeah i have a feeling this wont be out for a bit.

And speaking of disk formats..by then don't you think we will have a new HD format?

[Silvia007]

that's all.

[likeaboss302]

How about working on the existing 1080P LCD sets to get rid of mura "clouding", banding, and better response times before we go to a resolution nobody has any content for.

[Bombomb]

samsung has now surpassed sony in the lcd market..which was expected they are on the decline, everyone is catching up.

To the guy above visit the AVR forumes and none of those issues you posted happens with the new Samsungs 65, 71, 81 series, mostly Sony's and Sharp Aquos. sony known for clouding and sharp banding.

You'd learn a lot if you visit them forums..

[LightofDarkness]

Sounds liek a wet dream, but current gen hardware and resolutions being diplayed on that sort of screen would look like crap, much like standard def stuff looks like a$s on HDTVs today. It's the problem with fixed matrix displays. Until we find an alternative to those and fix response times and black levels, I doubt I will be re-investing in a new HDTV.

[BlazinEurasian]

As resolutions increase higher and higher the returns become smaller and smaller. You wouldn't be able to tell a billion dpi from a trillion dpi for example.

[Highwayman]

I have on of their 1080p LCDs, I like it alot, however they should stick to making 1080p's better instead. But I'm sure they have a department for that.

EDIT: oop's I didn't mean to reply, I meant to make my own comment.

[sak500]

When is it going to end? I bought my Sony Grand Wega 50" LCD HDTV 2 years back for whopping $2800. Happy with its 1080i rez and performance. The price of exisiting 1080p's are still high for average videophile to pick it up. So better for all these TV manufacturers to research on the 1080p tech and bring down the price to reasonable level first. The greedy bastards want maximum profit since they are not making huge margins on their HD tvs cuz of stiff competition.

[ironwolf]

Samsung doesn't get to chose the international standards. Its done by inter-government agencies. The current standard took 15 years to agree on and isn't fully implemented 20 years later. If you don't like upscaling, save your money.

[pdskep]

This is pointless. Your eyes reach their limit of resolution at 720 vertical lines at 6' for a 50" HDTV. I did the math. That makes 1080 overkill as well. It's all marketing to sell new technology. If you don't believe me read CNET's review.
http://reviews.cnet.com/452...

[Raptors]

The funny thing is I have a 42" Sony LCD projection 720p/1080i tv and Im more than satisfied with it...

[cjp4eva]

now all i need is a graphics card that plays Crysis at 4kX2x resolution with 8x and 16XAA at 60+ fps.

[DJ]

Anything above 1080p is pretty much pointless, unless the screen size is above 72 inches. 1080p should be the standard resolution from here on out.

[GodsHand]

Those higher resolution, wouldnt be obsolete. Anything at high resolution could be used to zoom in on objects/people to identify in police work. I render buildings for clients at my job, and these things are no where near that resolution, but still big enough to print some (4'x 8')banners of my work for display.

[aiphanes]

People just need to get it in their head that what they have now will be obsolete in a few years....1080p is the new standard...and this new 2000p will be the new standard..Just get your a 1080p tv now or in the next year...and then get the new 2000p tvs in 4 to 5 years when they get perfected.

Come on people lets talk about processing power...that is why the Cell chip was made for stuff like this...4 years from now the Cell will be at 6+ GHZ and be in about everything that has to do with TV or maybe even gamming consoles...Sony was saying they were going to but a Cell chip in a TV...samsung will probably do it too to power this new 2000p TV.

[solidt12]

Can HDMI handle 2000p? Can the PS3 output 2000p? These are things to consider. I bet the PS3 could output 2000p, now that I think about PC games run at 2000p so the HDMI cable should be able to handle it since the standard for HDMI and DVI are the same. The cable is a little different and DVI carries video only so I geuss it comes down to the cable itself. The PS3 should be able to do it with a firmware update. The video card the PS3 is based off of could handle it.

[Guwapo77]

So could the 360 if thats the case...

[Bibto]

How is 4000x2000 eight times the resolution of 1920x1080?
1920 x 1080 = 2 073 600 pixels
4000 x 2000 = 8 000 000 pixels

Isn't that only 4 times the resolution? What am I missing?

[crematory]

COULD ANY ONE HELP ME REGARDING BUYING HDTV WHAT IS THE BEST AND HOW TO CHOOSE ,SPECIALLY FOR PS3...and 32"hdtv can give me full HD

[Guwapo77]

If you got the money...go with Sony's XBR4...if you have less money get a XBR3. I bought the XBR3 prior to the XBR4 coming out. Wish I waited 6 months...but oh well.

[macalatus]

It's called the "iPod effect"...change everything within 1 year.

[TheMART]

What's the use if the human eye won't see the difference above 1080p at all?

Just tech selling, but reality is: even a 720p/1080i model will do for gaming sweet spot 720p and TV signal in HD that is max. 1080i, even the coming years if not a full decade.

[Lumbo]

Oh we MIGHT see the difference, at 75" and bigger screens, the only problem is, where do we all get the money to rent the apartments to put 75" screens in from :S

My 32" set looks to big for the room already

[osirisomeomi]

The human eye will not be able to perceive the difference between 1080p and 2000p at any kind of reasonable viewing distance. There's no advantage to be gained. In fact, most people can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p sets of smaller sizes.

This industry is turning into a serious churn and burn industry, just like the operating system industry.

[Guwapo77]

The human eye can tell the difference...just look at computer monitors.

[pdskep]

Guwapo, you're sitting 2 feet away from your computer monitor. People like to think they can tell a big difference between 1080p and 720p HDTVs but in reality our visual acuity runs out at around 720p at normal TV viewing distances. They may look better in the store when you're standing 3' away from them, but take them home and you'd not likely see much of a difference. I'll repost the link from the CNET review.
http://reviews.cnet.com/452...

Any difference most people see is more likely due to the electronics of the TV itself independent of the resolution or they'd like to think they didn't waste the extra money for no reason. Truth is most people should buy the TV that looks best for them and try and view it like you would at home. Don't buy into the hype the industry is trying to force down your throat.

[Guwapo77]

Thank you for the link Pdskep as it was an interesting read. There are a couple of problems with their post and your argument.

1. He stated you can tell a difference on larger sets.

2. In his testing he refused to use a high end model TV for testing saying 1080p is 1080p be it from Westhouse or Sony. This couldn't anymore wrong. A friend of mine has a Vizio and I have a Sony XBR3 and the difference is night and day.

3. This is all from the writer of the article and his buddy. Only the two of them are the test subjects. Does he have good eyes? Is he near sighted? Farsighted? Just to many variables with this article that just isn't stated. When a true to goodness article is written check out anandtech.com and look a computer review they list everything under the blue moon to eliminate as many questions from the get go.

So being a computer monitor is different and you sit alot closer you can still see the difference. As TVs get larger and larger you'll see the difference in just 720p and 1080p if you can't already. I definitely can see the difference on my 40" Sony XBR3. Just imagine the difference from 720p to 2000p...

[pdskep]

Guwapo,

As is stated in the article if you sit too close to the TV then you will probably be able to see a difference. There are standards for how far you should sit back from the TV for optimal viewing. For a 50" HDTV the distance is 6' or more. What you are ignoring are the limits to human vision. The human eye can distinguish two line pairs to a limit of 1.6 minute of arc. I can give you a reference on that if you want. I did the calculation and at 6' that corresponds to 0.9mm for the resolution of a human eye with 20/20 vision. The pitch on a 50" HDTV is roughly 0.85mm for 720 lines of resolution. That means 720P already had reached our limit of viewing for these optimal distances. Of course if your TV is really large and/or you sit too close to it you may be able to tell the difference. However, for larger TV should should sit farther back anyway.

I'm glad you like you 40" Sony, but can you say for sure the extra lines of resolution are buying you anything?

[TheXgamerLive]

I don't need the better res., atleast not at this point in gaming or TV/Movies.

See me 5 or 6 raises from now and when the next next gen. gaming consoles are out.

[carl ps3]

i still got a mono black & white T.V!!! ;-D

[Mikey_Gee]

I have a 61" 1080p DLP and it is awsome. The PQ is fantastic, ZERO LAG and a price that is hard to beat.

Sammy is also one of the only TV's that accept 1080p over HDMI "AND" component and 1920x1080 over VGA. This was a HUGE selling factor for me since many TV makes limit 1080 to HDMI only.

I am glad they are pushing the envelope, BUT, I really do not see the advantage. I mean 1080 is OUTSTANDING ... how much better can it really get. Maybe if you sit 2 feet from your 100" set ?????

VIVA LA SAMMY

[Guwapo77]

I'm with you on that one...1080p needs to be the standard for the next 30 years or so. 480i was it for about 50 years. If they keep pushing for higher and higher res TVs, the industry will come to a standstill. I would go on a limb to say it would be as bad as the next Hi Def format war. People would be slow to adopt and pick up the next. I don't know too many people willing to throw $3000 down on a TV every 5-10 years. TVs aren't computer hardware or cars...