IncGamers: Since changing its name from ELSPA, the UKIE has swelled to 86 members.
At Games Impact Summit part of the London Games Festival Hub conference Ukie – the trade body for the UK’s games and interactive entertainment industry – reveals the value of the UK consumer games market reached a record £5.7bn in 2018, up +10% from 2017 figures.
The UK consumer games market had a record-breaking value of £4.33 billion in 2016, games trade body Ukie has revealed.
UK video games industry trade bodies have responded to the UK's decision to leave the European Union.
So true ...
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@starchild
My comment refers to the picture, which makes a good point.
People up to the age of 45 years have been all (in the majority) in favour of staying in the EU, where as only british voters above the age of 45 years were for the Brexit. Especially young voters below 24 years are very favourable of the EU - with good reason.
@TheSaint
Scroll to the middle of the article: "How diffrent age groups voted" ... You are welcome.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-...
No comment on the political issue, but it's kind of a weird coincidence this happened right on the release date of the new Independence Day movie!
Lol I think it's just a coincidence, but you guys feel free to put on your tin foil hats... I'm out!
its actually a good thing it went through you guys obviously have no clue about whats been going on in EU if you think this is a bad thing....
Not true. Most people in EU countries do not look favorably on the European Union, and with good reason. It's good the UK got out.
People above 45 years old have more perspective and life experience, which is why they were the demographic most likely to vote leave. The E.U. isn't a democratic organization, but all young people care about is being able to travel freely without needing a passport, or going to work in another European country without a visa.
As a Canadian, I want to welcome back our British friends to the world and perhaps even more importantly, welcome back to the Commonwealth! Despite being outspent with both public taxpayers Pounds telling you that you should vote to remain, and big corporate Pounds telling you to remain, you were able to see past the lies and the fear mongering.
The problem with those same young people is they can't be bothered enough to vote on something even as important as this
"People up to the age of 45 years have been all (in the majority) in favour of staying in the EU, where as only british voters above the age of 45 years were for the Brexit"
Sorry but that is BS.
Age outcome doesn't surprise me. People with limited life experience, just proof we need to raise the voting age.
When these same people voted in the 70s for a common market (free trade between countries) and free movement of labour, and don't get what was described in the deal, then Maaschrict treaty in the 90s by John Major, then Bliar and Gordon Brown shaft them further, then get their pensions ripped apart by Cameron's austerity, what do you expect?
Also I am a 'young voter' who isn't hidden in a bubble by being in education all my life and is in the real world, and sees it like it is. UK industries moving out of the country fuelled by EU loans especially chemical companies, youth unemployment is rising, zero hours contracts, temporary contracts and low pay 100 pound a week apprenticeships, it's a shambles and I voted hoping for change.
@Deadpooled
The problems you describe are mainly due to the world economies being in the toilet, they are only getting by because of the ridiculously low interest rates and the huge amounts of money being poured in to the system by central banks around the world.
It will only get worse for the UK post EU as many companies relocate to other countries in the EU as there is no longer any advantage to having a UK presence.
Britain just proved how insular, intolerant, ignorant and stupid we really are (well slightly over half of us at least).
People want to "stick it to the establishment", and they do so by giving them more power.
Now the Tories can run the country with the backing of only 24% of the electorate voting for them and no checks and measures in place to stop anything to radical happening.
Those that used it as a protest vote against " austerity measures " have wiped over 10% off the currency overnight and will soon be pining for the "good old days " before the British economic crash.
Brexiters next war cry:
"Lets show the bankers what's what by burning all the money in our accounts, that will teach them".
Total rubbish. I'm 25 and I and every I know voted out. What pushed the vote was council estates signing up to vote.
FREEDOM!
I am from the Netherlands and even here people want out of the EU. If they would hold a referendum, big chance we would follow UK
It clearly is. It's so sad to see how uneducated and narrow minded people really are.
Just like to say a big shout-out to my boys at HSBC, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank & all the other multinationals in London that have kept the British economy going for the last 2 decades. Frankfurt & Dublin are open for business.
Maybe Boris Johnson will make some pocketchange selling all those vacant skyscrapers in a joblot
@Deadpooled, I'm glad you get it at a young age. Like you said, so many youth are living in a bubble and brainwashed in school. From someone in the US, I'm happy you guys are taking your country back even if many are too stupid to realize yet it's the right move. Can't wait till Cameron leaves too.
yep KrangsUncle keep plodding out the -ism's, -ist's and -phobias, 17.4 million people don't care :P
Stop recoiling from the "racist" slur. It's a hollow word with no meaning used by weak men.
I like how not wanting to be overrun with immigrants is considered "racist." First off, it wouldn't be racist, it would be xenophobic, and second, not wanting your economy drained drained by an absurd amount of immigrants isn't "being xenophobic."
let me guess....racist?
I want to know what you will do when Switzerland withdraws its application..oh wait they already did.
Staying in the EU is an even more stupid thing to do. Leaving is the lesser of the two evils, the EU is going down the pan, best to get out of it sooner than later.
Leaving the EU is one stupid thing to do, in my opinion.
There you go mate - fixed that sentence for you.
The European Union will never work, every nation fights for different things, I. e. freedom of movement must be adhered to unless it's Poland joining then Germany bent the rules and said no way.
My friend I work with was a UK farmer and moved to France because he got an extra €20,000 than he got in England.
Until everyone plays by the same rules the European Union will never work.
I'm glad we left
People are acting like it's WW3 when everything is just sorting it's self out to change at the minute, give it a few months and we'll be fine
Europe was a dictator.
Remember when the Last of Us Online was censored for the UK? That was Germany and they couldn't be arsed to make a separate disc for people unaffected by their laws so they thought "f*** it" and made us have it aswell.
Release dates, localisation, collectors editions should become better for us
Hell we should be classed as Region 1 now though
I'm not so sure that collectively dousing our country in petrol and setting it alight in front of the entire world was worth it on the basis of preventing a little censorship in a video game. Don't get me wrong, I like The Last of Us, but the real dictators that you should fear will be coming into office in October, and much like the European officials that so many people hate, those seizing control of the UK will also be unelected.
It wasn't just for that. It was an example relating to video games since we are on a video game website.
I have lots of good reasons why I wanted to leave, I just chose one which was relevant.
Oh the country is on fire? No that's what YOU guys like to think but it's just another day except people are over reacting because they didn't get their way. Sore losers.
100%
Btw Americans who have no idea what they are talking about...please keep it to yourself. This has nothing to do with independence, just old and narrow people never leaving their country. Btw you should leave your country too once in a while!
Well I'm 21 and a physics student (so can't pull the old or uneducated cards) and I'm categorically telling you long term this will be better for the UK. I mean alot of young people are like "oh these old people being selfish and blah blah" when it seems to be missed completely that maybe some of the older people who have seen the changes enacted by the EU and put up with it for longer maybe they have more experience and actually being older can think longer term than most young people- and want what's best for the longer term. So instead of being ageist just consider that. Which seems far more likely than they just selfishly want to mess everything up which is the most illogical suggestion I think I might have ever heard.
While I appreciate what you're saying, as a brexit voter, you are more likely to be: Male, over the age of 40, have o-level/gcse level education max and be working class. A quick google of the demographics will confirm this. It's not ageist to use state what has been statistically confirmed.
Of course there will be exceptions such as yourself but that doesn't affect the general trend. Of course, being a physicist, you know this from statistical physics.
I'm always amazed how left leaning this website is. So you rather have an unlimited amount of 3rd World People entering your country, having decision made for your country by unelected people in Brussels, having your social media monitored for "Hatespeech" 24/7. And don't tell me that Britain will be better off when it is 30% Muslim. The Remainers had ruined the country. Cause they were all about feelings and even exploited the death of a politician for their agenda
Now other EU member countries want referendums, Netherlands for a Nexit, Denmark for a Dexit, Greece for a Grexit, Austria, Sweden, Spain, even France as well in it's current state with country wide protests, EU is about to crumble. Two years and counting for DEMOCRACY to be restored to the UK. No more '61.5% of laws' being made in Brussels/Strasbourg. Control of immigration using an Australia skill based points system, training the British people and youth for jobs instead of getting in random migrants who work for peanuts (peanuts which are worth a lot in their own country) driving down wages. No TTIP forcing privatisation and destroying regulation (the major factor as to why people voted leave).
No, the '350m' thing was untrue, taking 2014 figures from the Office of National Statistics which represented the money to the whole of Europe. The actual figure was around 289 million to the EU in 2014, but the UK received 396 million back leaving a 100 million net figure. However after rebates it was that the UK net was around 180 million to the EU. That was 2014 figures. But the Government refused to release the 2015 and onwards figures as likely they would have had to include bailouts and the Turkey blackmail.
@tigertron
I am from the Netherlands, the talk about a Nexit is very real here... A lot of people want it.
Well, regarding TTIP, our best bet of avoiding that and the eventual privatization of the NHS was by remaining in the EU because multiple EU members would veto the deal. Our Conservative government, however? They are eager to privatize the NHS and will sign us up to the TTIP at the first opportunity, especially since prominent Brexiters such as Nigel Farage have openly stated that they think the NHS should be scrapped in favor of private healthcare for everyone. Even this morning, when called out as to if we will now see that supposed £300+ million actually used to fund the NHS, Farage denied that it was ever a promise of the leave campaign, and I'd argue that anyone who thinks our healthcare system will survive the upcoming austerity measures to compensate for our nosediving economy is utterly naive.
If people just would start to identify themselfs with a bigger idea, instead of seperating themselfs ...
I look at myself as a citizen of earth - first and foremost - which makes me responsible for what happens in and with this habitat of ours. That requires of course to look beyond the counter of my local supermarket.
Second I am european, third german and fourth bavarian and franconian. Not the other way round.
Imo all children of the world should be raised with this direction of identity. We would have world peace sooner or later ...
Concerning Brexit. I respect their decision of course, but it's a victory of xenophobia and separatism, instead of integration and openess. I wish britain the best, though and hope the rest of the european union will learn from this and take the years to come as a chance to reform the bureaucratic system, making it more democratic and "closer to the people".
I agree, but there is nothing 'xenophobic' about wanting to control immigration, resources are finite after all, having uncontrolled immigration on the scale of what's going on around Europe at this minute due to EU decisions is not ideal.
But just for the record, Britain is not leaving Europe it is leaving the EU system.
@sd11
Yep reform was the far better option, unfortunately Cameron failed to get the reform package travelling to all the member states pleading his case and failed to truthfully show why voters should remain (tbf there wasn't really one good clear cut reason pointed out anywhere on the remain side, everyone was spouting the same old threats and rhetoric even in the debates, even the Queen couldn't come up with a proper reason), and this morning paid the price for it as now he is resigning and likely a general election is to be held this Autumn.
@Ark
Farage usually does make some good points and does rip into decisions made by Merkel and co. hard, but I hate it when he sometimes does something randomly stupid like that. Tbf there were stuff like that on both sides, the remain side had a poster of an asian woman and a skinhead on a seesaw, and I remember another one of that washed up boy Aylan Kurdi used over and over again on Twitter (despite his dad himself being a people smuggler charging $10000 per person and escaping the Manslaughter charge)
The problem is free health and welfare to anyone who decides on a change is wrong. Too many people moving to the uk, taking minimum wage jobs and topping up with welfare. Then the money gets sent abroad to family. EU laws prevent the uk from stopping this. Plus instant access to medication, operations health etc is not right, it has created unbelievable strain on the nhs.
On the flip side brexit wasnt the true answer, reform was. But the EU rejected reform. I personally hope article 50 is not invoked and a reform deal can be achieved instead.
@Deadpooled. I would argue it is xenophobic, considering the vast majority of areas that voted to leave the EU were areas that saw very little, if no immigrants and refugees.
What will be interesting to see is how this will effect UK nationals outside the UK. Only member countries have open borders with each other, so now the UK has God knows how many nationals outside their borders who will end up needing Visas, as they are no longer allowed open border travel. Many of these people will come back or will be forced back.
So, if people want to talk about immigration, this could potentially be at a much larger scale. These nationals returning will need jobs and housing and social benefits the same as any "other" immigrant.
I also see the fear of immigration as completely ridiculous as there won't be any economist worth his/her skin that will say immigration does anything but HELP the economy.
Not only that, but there is a certain irony in how much of a role the UK played in the destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, with millions of lives lost and millions more driven out, and then the people say "oh sorry you can't come here because you might be dangerous"
@deadpool
I am all for controlling immigration as well. And I see the problems of finite resources and a finite capability of integrating people not only economically, but socially. Better solutions are indeed overdue.
What I am critizising are the "xenophobic" rightwing campaigns in Britain, that happend before the Brexit, and overshadowed a wider and propably more rational perspective of things.
Example: http://www.newstatesman.com...
Britain is and has been very diverse, and this was prior to the EU, so I disagree with your xenophobia indictment of those that voted leave.
There's no reason Asians, as the Brits call them, should be in Britain. They should go and make there own country great. Why in the world should London be overwhelmed with Muslims to say nothing about a Muslim mayor?
It's sick.
Asia for the Asians.
Africa for the Africans.
White countries for everybody!
My mother was half German, half Franconian and half Spanish. I know that's a lot of halves but she was a big woman.
I won't us to control our country not some invisible unelected busy body from another country it has noting to do with being racist or hating foreigners . fat from it . stop using the racing angle it's getting boring.
"No more '61.5% of laws' being made in Brussels/Strasbourg. "
They really did a number on you didn't they? The actual figure is nearer 8%, and we had the right to refuse if we really didn't like them.
But thanks for the future full of poverty and insignificance, thanks for a return to desperation and failure (I remember the 1970's before the boom time of EU membership).
Thanks for the rising hatred and intolerance in our society, let's go be governed by the 24%..."Freedom.ftw"
The stay campaign was a failure. It was all about doom and negativity. They needed to focus on anything and everything positive that has and could be achieved by staying and being in the EU. Instead they targeted fear and it failed. They should be ashamed.
Hopefully the future won't be bleak, i am still hoping a new leader emerges, goes to Brussels and brings about reform for the EU. Then they can find a loophole and not actually leave if changes are made, which they should be.
@sd11
THIS. Spot on, and they hae noone to blame but themselves.
What right to refuse? in 2010 for example we voted no to policys 23 times and abstained 18 times and each time the laws were past and we have adhered to them as European regulations over rule ours.
The EU is an totalitarian Entity and it had to be stopped. Most people on here really do play too much games, they are just using the same arguments the crooks in politics and media are rpeering. "You are evil Racists when you want sovereignty and not drown in so called refugees
It has given the Tories more power (apparently that is what counts as "sticking it to them" nowadays).
@Imalwaysright
'And Scotland is considering independence from the UK to stay in the EU.'
I hoped Scotland would leave last time so I wouldn't have to listen to them moaning all the time about wanting to be independent. If they had, their little plan of using the money from oil would have worked wonders for them when the value of it fell by half, they luckily voted to stay.
I'd be happy to see them go independent now as well. Good luck to them.
@Majin
While Eiyuuou is correct in there no concrete evidence yet of what will happen. Alot of deals were made as part of the EU. better trade deals between countries,
Anyone remembers the game Frontline: Fuel of War? The game predicted this, the rupture of the EU, after that it was the rupture of the UN. Were pretty much setting up for WWIII and Armageddon.
@Mega24
Snap! Yup, you beat me to it. Frontline: Fuel of War did predict something like this.
LOL anyone remembers the book called Bible? Some interesting spot-on predictions there also.
Yea but Frontline had a better story and was more believable. No sky daddies floating around as dungeon master playing the rts known as life. Plus Frontline had better graphics
@KurtRussell Ahhh the age ol' belief of since you dont agree with me you dont understand it.. I think that's lead to more death than the total war series. Good game you should check it out. How you could tell if somebody is a "model student" tho.. simply by a post on a gaming forum. that just goes above my head. Almost like your sky daddy
Jivah dude, lemme just tell you this for starters: I AM NOT RELIGIOUS, LET ALONE AN INTOLERANT RELIGIOUS ZEALOT.
Now here are my views on the topic: Your phone, your console, your pc, your car, your dog, and especially you and the universe you inhabit are waaaaay to complex to be an accident. Be it evolution or instant creation, big bang or poof, does not matter, some intelligent designer is behind it. Saying otherwise makes you illogical and even delusional, PhD or not.
As for predictions, best example is that of Jews and Israel. Do note that Jews really are a unique people, they didn't have a home for 2000 years but they still managed to hold on to their religion and national identity.
Sky daddy said he will scatter them all over the world (Titus sacking Jerusalem in 70ad). Sky daddy also said they will wander the Earth (wandering Jew anyone?) and be hated and persecuted wherever they go (i think this one needs no elaboration but history of antisemitism is a very long one if you didnt know). Sky daddy also said that he will protect them so they don't perish completely. Sky daddy also said that in the last days he will gather them from all corners of the world and bring them back to Israel (Balfour Declaration from British to Zionists in 1917, Haavara Transfer agreement between Nazis and Zionists in 1933 and Israel declaring independence in 1948). Sky daddy also said they will rebuild the cities, that he will make them powerful and that they will plant trees, make the desert bloom and waters spring from it and fill the world with fruit and flowers (Israel has got one of the most advanced armed forces in the world and they literally made the desert bloom and are the world leader in agricultural technology and a major fresh produce and flower exporter)
Sooo yeah, Frontline: Fuel of War XD
@ jivah
Actually, atheists killed more people than any religious zealot ever did.
I feel insulted as an European tbh by what the Britsh ppl decided, they really never cared for the rest of the Europe, they never wanted the Euro and always tried to act on their own, they still have that island mentality that the land belongs to them and no-one else, I have British friends insulting Portuguese immigrants and others because they went looking for a better life in England, yet they forget my own country, specially Algarve and the coast line is completely full of English ppl who come for our weather and safety since we have little crime, what we should do now is kick them out for their so special rainy "island", independent of the impact that could have in the economy. I'm really really sad to see the world becoming closer and closer to another world war instead of becoming friendlier, once I thought Internet could bring the world together, but it seems our politicians don't use it and still think as nationalists. On a positive note this summer I'll finally meet in person someone from Netherlands I met 12 years ago through video-games and we become long-date good friends, speak everyday since then yet never drank a beer together or even shook hands, until very shortly that is.
Trust me.. I am disgusted by our bigoted, narrow minded nation. The referendum is massively disappointing as London is in overwhelming favour of staying in the EU. I welcome immigration and it has been the back bone of our country since WWII. We are the laughing stock of the world, and have no love for each other, or compassion, or sense. We deserve everything we get at this point. Hate fuels hate.
"Hate fuels hate" It does indeed, I can't help but to feel mad about this situation, when previously I had nothing against England, on the opposite since I have commercial relations with UK doing most of my printing jobs there and I buy lots of stuff from there, but now I feel like I was slapped in the face, hard!
This is not fault of everyone in England of course, bretix barely won, but still, I was hopping that the majority of the country would be more open to a "Union in Europe".
I hope all the best to England despite everything, maybe they will even be better out of Europe, but to me what was lost is more important than more £ and €, what was lost was trust, union, friendship.
EDIT: Having more disagrees than agrees on my first comment really shows there's really many people from UK who just don't get it! I'm from Portugal, I haven't much as most Portuguese are living in a crisis for more than 10 years, yet I wouldn't trade a better and more unified future in Europe just to maybe get more Euros in my pocket.
I've noticed the snowflakes like to call everyone who disagrees with them bigots, racists, xenophobes etc.
If you haven't noticed, it's not working
Oh get out of here
We left and suddenly everyone is a bigot or narrow minded...hell you going to say we are racist aswell and go for a hatrick
Immigration was out of control. I'm not saying close the boarders and stop anyone from coming in but it had to be controlled. The way we were going was not going to do that. Yes let people in but carefully select who gets in...people who are going to be a productive member of our society. It's bad enough we have benefit scroungers of our own people what we don't want is people coming over and doing the same.
We were the laughing stock of the world before this because of how soft we were as a country. We were constantly bitched around and people laughed. Now at least we are doing something
Lol, that's the standard excuse for the way the DEMOCRATIC vote went. 'It's because of the racists!'.
If I woke up this morning and saw the remain vote win I'd get on with it, I wouldn't call people names for disagreeing with me. I'd just get on with it and make the best of it. We will survive, it's not the end of the world, no matter how much people want to believe so.
So because London is in favour of something that is absolutely the right thing to do? See, this is why people don't like Londoners.
London does not speak for the UK it's a city, that's it.
You forget the foundations these countries were built on.
The only narrow-minded bigots here are city folks oblivious to what goes on outside of city limits.
That's just London. What about the rest of the UK? Oh, I forgot. They don't matter!
LOL! You only have love, compassion and sense until they disagree with you and your worldview.
The British working classes are always used as puppets by the hatemongers.
They are racist and bigoted because they are trickle fed lies and distorted facts and given a figure to hate (in this case immigrants), by parties with vested interests (usually the far right).
They tend to be incapable of independent thought and rely on a type of "hive mentality" (which usually has its epicentre in the local pub).
If you poison one of their minds you poison them all.
@below
I'm working class too that's how I know first hand how the idiots think. Yes the majority of the working class are racist, ignorant and stupid. Don't take my word for it, go have a chat with one on any building site.
"F@#%ing foreigners, kick em all out"
"Muslamists? Should all be hung"
That's the level of intelligent thought you get.
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Update:
Day one: £250bn wiped off the economy overnight (enough to pay EU membership for 25 years).
Remember that money you were promised? it evaporated when the vote was counted.
Last night we were the 5th biggest economy in the world, this morning we slid to 6th behind France.
But don't worry, in a decade or two things will settle.
Democracy, almost half the country voted stay. yet the whole country have to leave. I'm 32 and i voted to stay i feel as much European as i do British, but i find it stupid how 75% of 18-24 the people who's future this is going to effect has voted remain now don't have any say.
@Angeljuice I'm working class and i voted to remain. Many people who don't vote came out to vote yesterday, many working class people voted to stay, there are many middle and upper class people who voted leave as well
One things for sure i don't think the united kingdom will be united much longer with Scotland and NI voting to remain
'The British working classes are always used as puppets by the hatemongers.'
Yes, because the working class don't have brains to think for themselves, no? Wow, that is bigoted.
'They are racist and bigoted because they are trickle fed lies and distorted facts and given a figure to hate (in this case immigrants), by parties with vested interests (usually the far right). '
The whole of the working class is racist and bigoted? This is what is wrong with the country, people who want to tar a whole layer of people with their brush and look down. The thing is, it's not just the working class, people of all walks of life voted but you are going through with your assumption that it was. That makes you a bigger bigot than anyone else, you live life with a blinkered view.
'They tend to be incapable of independent thought and rely on a type of "hive mentality" (which usually has its epicentre in the local pub). '
Wow, you really are a total cretin.
'If you poison one of their minds you poison them all.'
'their minds you poison them all'
''their'
I'd say you are one of the people with the "hive mentality" because that's the same crap I've read over and over again about why the vote went against your wish.
You're the problem, and you can't see it.
I can't pretend to speak on behalf of all British people but I think a good amount of leave voters would much rather stay in the EU but on their own terms. Nobody took this referendum seriously to begin with, not Cameron, certainly not the elected EU officials so when Cameron went to negotiate us a better deal on our behalf, the EU leaders were all their looking out for their own interests and the whole thing became a farce. Once it became evident that the referendum was going to be a lot closer than expected, instead of opening up to our concerns, we received economical threats from the EU officials instead.
With our wants and needs not being met nor taken seriously, this is how we responded. I personally didn't vote for Brexit but I know many of my friends did with a sense of patriotism that I never knew existed in my country. They want their country back and are fed up of the rules imposed by the EU and how it's negatively effecting many areas of the country. My only hope from this referendum is that it becomes the spark that ignites the flame and forces the EU into making the necessary reforms that we can all get behind.
@aiBreeze
You sum up the situation accurately. Cameron and co never took the threat of exit seriously and when there was time to do something about it, those responsible such as EU officials and various leaders ignored the opportunity to address the concerns of a lot of British people but instead took the situation for granted or chose to make threats as you point out.
To be honest, there comes a point when people will just not respond to threats, doom and gloom warnings, and accusations of being provincial and just wish to take back some modicum of control - which is exactly what happened yesterday.
We have to do our best now to weather any storm and ensure that we foster good relationships with the rest of the world as well as the EU. Perhaps this might have a silver lining, who knows? We are in the situation now and we have got to make the best of it.
The only thing I really hate about all of this is Nigel Farage acting like he had something to do with the decision!
sounds alot like the motivations for the American Revolution, except without the bloodshed.
I was going to vote Remain a couple of days before the referendum but then Juncker opened his big mouth about Cameron getting what he wanted and wouldn't be getting anything else from EU in the form of reforms.
That was the turning point for me as I knew there was never going to be any reforms in the EU so I voted to Leave.
I'm 39 and working class, not a racist or bigot. Just wanted my country back and be able to manage immigration ourselves and not have open borders to the 500+ million people in EU zone.
The UK is a small island and there's only so much money, resources and space to accommodate the people coming to the country as it is.
We are not closing the borders and becoming an insular country but there's a limit to how many people is manageable for a good quality of life for all. We are still in Europe but just leaving the EU.
Every country and person should strive to forge their own destiny. We'll still be close allies to our European cousins that won't change but the political union of EU wasn't for us so we voted to leave and that's it.
If the EU parliament want to punish us for leaving that's on them but we as a people in UK feel no ill will towards any European country. We've always loved Europe and will continue to do so well after we leave the EU.
EU and Europe is not the same thing.
@MK24ever
First of all, not all Brits voted to exit. The vote was very close - 52% to 48% and many of us actually like the idea of diversity and a global outlook. Secondly, the rest of your rambling just reveals what prejudices you carry and you show yourself to be no better than some of the idiots you complain about.
Hern... I actually stated "This is not fault of everyone in England of course, bretix barely won, but still, I was hopping that the majority of the country would be more open to a "Union in Europe", I also said "I hope all the best to England despite everything, maybe they will even be better out of Europe, but to me what was lost is more important than more £ and €, what was lost was trust, union, friendship.", where is the prejudice? You mean what I said about expelling the British people from Portugal? I admit that sounds like a "vengeance", but that wasn't the intention of that sentence, I just said that to point out the British people themselves have immigrants, lots of them, but that is never mentioned, just the people that goes to England seems important/a problem. To say I'm not pissed with UK decision would be a lie, so of course I can't just have good words, my second comments explains that well.
Not all British people voted to leave.
It was 48% against 52%.
Don't paint all Britons with the same brush...
I'm from Portugal as well and I for one am tired of the hold that Germany has on our country with their austerity measures that have been more than proven to destroy economies rather than to help them grow. There is no European "Union" because democracy is nowhere to be found in it. UK leaving the EU is wake up call to all EU members and maybe brexit will lead to a real European Union. I wish all the best luck to UK citizens and I applaud them for their courage.
I perfectly understand your point of view, but blaming Germany for our problems isn't exactly a valid point, our politicians, our bankers and worker syndicates put the country in the situation it is now, not Germany or any other country did this.
I don't enjoy being the devil's advocate but with the hundreds of millions of Euros we received from the EU nothing was accomplished due the insane amount of corruption our country has.
If the EU loaned us money it's only natural they want now to see it well spent instead of watching it being burned by our own monster public sector who produces nothing and eats all of our budget, and despite all the austerity imposed, we still have deficit due to crazy new laws put there by our politics that help nothing the country, like the recent 35h of work per week for the public-workers... it makes no f***** sense!
I'm well aware that many of the issues that we are facing are our own fault and I completely agree that our public machine is dragging our country down but I can't get past that a country that doesn't care for us and only has their own interests at mind is dictating our present and future with measures that are destroying our economy. The European Union is flawed and will remain an illusion until ALL members have an equal say so I congratulate UK citizens for taking a stance. I don't blame them at all for wanting to leave this fake EU.
@Mike
"I don't enjoy being the devil's advocate but with the hundreds of millions of Euros we received from the EU"
And why do you think the UK voted out, because they are giving hundreds of millions a week to other countries when these countries are putting nothing in & now the money will be spent in their own country. The only reason the rest of Europe are upset is because the UK are in the top 3 of putting in.
You think staying in a failing fascist construct is needed to 'care' for the rest of Europe? Every country needs to leave the EU, that's what's best for ALL of you, INCLUDING Germany.
Your country is being crushed by being in the EU... your country would be one that benefits the most. All of the PIIGS countries are being bled dry by EU mandates and austerity.
Bailouts for the big EU banks, and none for the people.
EU is going down anyways. Just wait until Deutsche Bank implodes. Be Lehman Bros x100. So many worthless derivatives, about 30x German GDP just in ONE bank.
You keep thinking of it the wrong way. The EU is a control mechanism, and that is CONTROL OVER YOU from somewhere else.
The EU was never going to work, only morons thought so. Sorry. Europe is too different to live under one authority. It's always better to go back to sovereign nations who deal in treaties for the mutual benefit of the countries engaged in it.
Here's the truth, with or without Brexit, all the PIIGS countries were going to continue crashing and burning. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, all the austerity was doing jack nothing except making you suffer for big EU banks who are still insolvent and are going to implode anyway eventually. You are suffering and dying for NO REASON other than EU Diktat. Eventually the core nations would start imploding. It's a losers bet for everyone.
What the Brits did was to get out of that crapshow before it implodes. Now the rest of you need to as well. The EU is nothing worth saving. Europeans do not need the EU to be Europeans and live peacefully. Somehow lots of Europeans seemed to think that they needed the EU. You don't.
There's to many facts and truths in your comment which is unfortunate, yet, I believe it's important to have the Europe united trough a main organism so we become stronger in political and economical scenarios, also, being able to travel trough Europe and have a common coin is also positive, I can now buy anything from any country in the EU without having to worry about import taxes and exchange rates, as there are many other advantages of being part of something bigger, the problem is just the people in command at the moment can't think in the common interest, just in the interest of their own countries, banks and personal agendas in many cases...
Good comment btw, even if I still have hopes for a more United Europe and a solution to the current problems, I don't think cultural difference should be seen as a problem but as something that should motivate bringing people together to share their culture and learn to respect others despite their differences.
Old and sad people decided for the younger generation. Really sad.
There are many things worth saving in the EU. It is narrow minded not to think so, but there is and ugly face to the EU and neoliberalism and lobby influences need to be eliminated so reforms are needed better sooner than later.
@MK24ever I see no reason why we still cant have a friendly amicable relationship with our European neighbours and continue to trade as before, we just don't want to be part of an elitist group of bureaucrats that hold zero accountability. The EU is no longer only a single market but a political institution that seems to want majority control of nation states even to the point of overriding laws in their own government. UK citizens recognise this and thats why i think we had such a high turnout of voters for Brexit.
Gonna need a lot of popcorn for this. Sterling value already plummeted. *nom nom*
It actually went back up close to the previous level (was still down about 4% at 10am, but better than the 11% fall which was predicted to happen anyway), also the FTSE is now back up at the level it was on Monday
Nothing is going to happen till 2-3 years after Article 50 is started and we officially leave the EU.
We are still under EU law till then and nothing will change.
The financial markets plummeted as they are scared of change and wanted to cash in on the volatility of the situation. They are parasites feeding off the vulnerable citizens of the UK or any other country that wants change.
I'm a Uk citizen,and voted on the referendum,but I'm also older generation. Anyway,I completely agree with ARK_'s sentiments -Personally, I see myself as European first, then British and lastly,English. From my perspective, the reason so much of the population in England and Wales -not Scotland BTW, voted to leave the EU was on the immigration issue. Now, irrespective of your views on that, the fact is that the majority of Brexit voters come from the less well educated, more vulnerable sections of society. The very ones that are hit hardest by the Tories current austerity measures.The truth is, the Remainer's got what was coming to them! They have ignored the concerns of a very large group of people for too long, and well, as they say, the rest is history.
That is how it always has been, lower-class citizens are looked upon, or your words "less educated". In my native tongue (Dutch) they call them "tokkies" which translates to something like scum/lower class crazy people... And that is really sad. Most of them are unemployed but want to work, but due to immigration and education problems it forms problems. They get ignored and voila!
Now they strike back, and I think the UK is only the beginning. Look on twitter, how many elites are angry or "sad" there?
In England the vast majority of unemployed would rather stay unemployed and on benefits than do the kind of menial work that many immigrants do.
It won't help unemployment at all, in fact it will cause businesses to close.
The Netherlands is a different case as native Dutch are outnumbered by immigrants in their own country.
Look at all the fear mongering in here....
Globalism sucks. Screw the New World Order.
Congrats Brits on your Independence Day!
It will be intresting to see what happends to trade with UK now that they will have to tax everything they want to export. Many companies will probably relocate outside of UK to Keep away from that tax. Unless the whole EU union will crumble.
Don't think either will have a problem,..and maybe Europe can get setup more democratically,..and confederate-ly ,.. I am actually glad British people saved the world,.. because maybe Nato will start to unravel and US neocons won't be able to start a WW3 in Europe. Because that is exactly what US is doing. Also US will have harder time controlling everyone by simply buying off European commission.
This has nothing to do with NATO, and you're lucky the US is there, Europe could never defend itself from a Russian invasion.
We don't have to defend against Russia,..but Europe can defend itself(Never really did, except they lingered after liberating most of Europe after WW2,.. )..but Europe can defend itself. We are already occupied by US,.. we need to kick US out ,.. At least Russians had a decency of leaving after Warsaw pact was gone.
Congrats Brits! I wish my states could secede from the worthless central authority.
I don't think it's possible legally under scotus precedent. Any state could secede but it wouldn't be legal, it would be an act of war. I'm glad to see Europeans taking advantage.
Good on the UK. Take back your sovereignty. Hopefully other EU countries follow.
You say the "UK games industry" but I get the feeling that if I click on it I'm just going to see the rantings of gobby little indie weasels from twitter.
Parlae! Jokes aside. This will hurt The UK's economy more than The brexit voters thought. Sad day for the undereducated.
Doom doom doom, if you don't agree with me you are just uneducated, doom doom doom. I'm so much smarter than everyone. I'm so smart I can't convince the uneducated why this is a bad idea without saying doom, racist, xenophobia, and economic disaster that we will never recover from. We are all DOOMED!
Smug much?
It's typical of city folks. They think the city speaks for the rest of the country.
On topic can we have a fishing trawler simulator but where WE don't have to sit in port because we have caught our handful of fish off our coast ,giving way to floating fish factories from all over the world hoovering up all the cod. Hell yeah rockstar north could handle it.
Whoa, this is not a good topic for a gaming site, now people will ACTUALLY hate each other.
People already do, did you not see the race wars or gender moaning because a game studio dared to not put a white male as a protagonist? people hide behind PC but its just good old hate seeping into video games
Oh the salt in the comment section coming from leftist liberal cucks. Cry some more. I will drink your tears as my toast for yesterday's win.
The money we spend on EU membership can now go towards paying the deficit and improving our NHS and other public services. Won't effect are gaming in anyway.
Except they have already, not a day after the vote, back tracked and said the NHS wont be seeing any of it. You got more from the EU than you paid (loans, grants, funding that will not have to come from yer own pocket). Its hilarious that ye believe otherwise. Suckered into the propaganda because you didnt bother to research anything.
Peoples initial reaction will be negative , but long term it makes sense. Why prop up bankrupt countries(Greece) or struggling countries while countries that are doing fairly well (Britain, Germany)are the ones paying for it and helping bailouts etc. The 10% of mpney lost will be back its the way markets work amd they react to,any news
Brexit will only be good for gaming. With the globalist one world shackles thrown off we'll soon see the elimination of racial bean counting in our games, endless "strong women" archetypes and nonsense like a black character on the cover of a WW1 game, i.e., the new Battlfiled.
This is a great day, indeed.
I have no idea why that matters to you at all, if you want to play the white male, I'm pretty sure 9 out of 10 times that is the only option, but yeah, brexit for some reason will make it 10 out of 10
It matters because having a black person on the cover of a WWI game is high subversion. It's an anti-reality.
I dont recall DICE proclaiming that battlefield 1 would be a historical reenactment, but i'll address this anyway
anti-reality? there were blacks in WW1, you can argue their role but you cant deny their existance in the war
Some of us welcome a story that has not been told in gaming before
You're an LOLCOW. If there were blacks in WWI (I've never heard or read of it) their roles are so minuscule as to be rendered completely insignificant. And original storylines are not the issue. The issue is the rewriting of history to fit a narrative.
I have a couple game ideas for you, stories that will no doubt make you feel extra virtuous to purchase and play:
1. Moonshot. A battle between two world bestriding superpowers--Gambia and Sudan--to be the first on the planet to put a man on the moon in the backdrop of what has become known as th Cold War.
2. Independence. A group of radical individuals seeking freedom of religion flee their king and country--Nigeria--to the New Word, to found and carve out of a wilderness populated by savages, the greatest and most powerful country known to man: America.
Honestly, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
You just embarrassed your self with that silly tirade of nonsense, no need to lose it over a civil conversation.
you could have easily googled if you really don't know what your talking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... there are a few "firsts" in american history here, could an interesting tale to tell
Since when does historical significance equate to a worthwhile story?
In your not so subtlety racist and sexist attitude, you have forgotten that these are video games not non-fictional reenactments but even then, your argument holds little value other than i don't know of their significance so they don't matter.
You're such a predictable SJW. I knew--I KNEW!-- you would use Wikipedia as a source and whip out the buzzwords so often used by weak men.
You are a classic Gamma male.
Someone said to me earlier today "God save the Queen!" I told him, "he just did."
*Insert stupid comment about politics in a video games forum*
Seriously, this shit doesn't belong here. Tying video games into this is ridiculous, and no matter how loosely tied they are, it's certainly just for cheap clicks. Now we have a big political war going on in here and a bunch of knee jerk emotional comments that dig deep over something that ACTUALLY matters, in a place where it's all supposed to be about video games and a little childish fun.
Oh well, not coming back to THIS post. I encourage you all to do the same.
Many of you just made me realize that gaming is primarily a right-wing entertainment medium. And now I'm sad.
I voted to leave as I am sick to death with the outdated EU. You have people who you never heard of calling the shots over the most dumbest ideas going. It's time we stand on our own feet like other non EU counties that are doing better for themselves than counties in the EU. We have money we have realationships.
I will say this, far as I am concerned if you don't live in the UK or didn't have the right to vote you are to mind you're own business as we the people have spoken and it's our decision.
Good for you dude! I wish Americans were smart enough to reject our "behind the curtain" rulers. Consent of the governed seems like a lost or scary concept these days. People are terrified of freedom. Best of luck to you guys, I have much more respect for Britain after this.
@Deadpooled
In response to Deadpooled, I'm gonna have to say that seeing as my generation and even my parent's might not even get pensions at all, I think it's not fair that they complain about their pensions at all. Sure, it's gone from 4 being supported by 4 workers to 1.8, but my grandparents are still doing pretty damn well. My grandmother recently spent tens of thousands on a cruise to Antarctica, and constantly travels around the world. No, she wasn't a lawyer or a banker, she worked as a social worker and educating kids in developing countries. Now I'm not denying that their pensions are gradually wasting away, but compared for what's to come for younger generations, it's really nothing to complain about.
Recently, a bunch of figures came up showing that 90% of all of the pensioners who voted were for leave. Now in a way this just makes me angry, because I get the feeling that these people are choosing my future, from a safe place where they'll probably be fine for the next 10 years. Now this would be fine for me if when I see them talking on TV they actually had the SLIGHTEST idea what they're talking about!
Now don't get me wrong. Despite being a devout Remain supporter, I will of course respect anybody who votes Leave if they're well informed and know the facts. I won't deny that there are of also many reasons to leave either (though I will say that these reasons are not included in what you see on those ridiculous pamphlets they push through the door). But I'm honestly astounded by the number of people who seem to be voting out out of instinct and emotion, without learning any of the real facts, and it honestly makes me sick (makes you lose faith in democracy, like Trump (though obviously not that bad)). Now the other side are guilty too, but seem to be a helluva lot less so. Virtually everybody I know has voted in, but all of them seem capable of giving me plenty of reasons why.
Now don't take any offense, I'm sure your young and intelligent and voted leave because you wanted change (though let's be honest, is Boris and breaking apart something that took hundreds of years to reach really the answer?), but I just find that when I look on chat sites, when I see people interviewed on TV, they DO NOT come across this way. In fact some clearly had their minds made up since last year for christ's sake. It just seems like (right decision or not (NOT BY FAR the way I see it)) a staggering amount of people have voted leave without knowing the bloody facts. I mean 'what's the EU' being the most searched thing in Google after the referendum is absolutely horrifying. And people find the people in charge of the leave campaign bearable and good in any way is beyond me. But like I said, it's not the fact that Remain lost that distresses me the most, but the fact that the way too many out voters don't understand or won't suffer the consequences. I mean the less offense possible, and it's not against out voters but society in general.
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We Brits did the right thing and voted for self-determination and gave the establishment as a shook especially the EU leadership anyway the work begins now!!
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As for the people who want change, are you really happy that Boris bloody Johnson might end up PM? Can you not see that you're also going to eventually lose Scotland, and maybe even Northern Ireland (which will be bad either way, especially if they don't merge: it could respark the conflict, easy). Not to mention that businesses will migrate and you're gonna lose A LOT of money. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with Britain, like the ones you mentioned Deadpooled, but going in to a recession and entering a deficit is NOT going to help in any way. Compared to how much you get back fro the EU, leaving just doesn't look like the answer in any way for me. I'm not going to go through the reasons and write a debate. Hell none of us have a week. My point is Deadpooled, pointing out something's wrong and voting for the change things option is not the right answer! I mean what makes you think that after a year of this nonsense Britain will even have enough resources to fix any of these problems properly, and do you think Boris is going to be our savior?
You don't get to start fresh, not completely, and not in this world. You can't rewrite the rules from scratch, and all those laws and regulations people are going on about? The UK wrote most of them, what's to say they'll be any different? And you can't afford to pay taxes on all your EU exports! Look, I'm banging on, you can find all this on the internet.
Whatever the case, me and you both will suffer the consequences of leaving (or not, but it's not looking good, you'll see (or not)). Hell, I dunno whether I could afford UK universities before the looming economic crash (it's coming), so I always figured I'd study somewhere free and potentially better, but I guess not now. However, you can dislike this, or reply nastily, or intelligently or whatever you want to this, BUT, any of you who read this, mark my words, things will get so much worse, and that's in the short term. If I'm wrong, then all the better for all of us, but right now, my chances are better with the EU, and this has destroyed my already dying faith in democracy (but don't worry though, Trump's done his fair part). Now all that's left to do is brace and do my best to struggle through an education that'll leave me neck deep in debt, and without a job, and my parents bills to pay.
P.S. Also, this a gaming forum, and as much as I love debates like this, nobody's mentioned anything completely on topic yet. Just saying.
I think people should respect the political view of anyone on this site
Good to see the gaming industry saying they will do their best to maintain a high standered gaming community across all of Europe and Britian going forward in term of developers without closing down studos
I think people should respect the views of anyone on this site. (FIFY)
You don't have to agree, and there are buttons to say as much. But, mutual respect goes a LONG way towards a more productive discussion.
Respecting the views of anyone goes a long way but when articles come out with stupid comments that have no creditably it questions the writer and his views
Political views are Diffrent but to be arguing over political views on a gamming site that's just saying they are willing to work hard to ensure the stability of their work forces up and down the country after the people spoke to change the way their country is run is just stupid
Respect all views but don't turn a sensible article into a debate over politics that lets face it no one really knows much about because no political leader gives you an honest answer.
This is a sensible article and a lot of comments are nothing to do with it instead arguing over who's fault it is
Respect the views and movie on
f*** the eu
Britain did good in leaving the European Union which is just bullshit mind games they all along had a secret agenda
which they would never tell the goverment or the british people.
saying it good to be to have one currency
well who would control the euro the European union would
to make it penniless
look what happen to Greece they total destroy it the eu did.
if Britain became part of the eu they would destroy our rules of our lands
there would be no uk laws there be no voting there be no monarch
cost of living would go through the roof.
as for gaming this will make it better and stronger
and not following the bullshit rules of the European union
other countries will start to do the same now and vote to leave .
its a very wise choice for sure to get the hell out
Keep your political views to yourself
You mentioned one thing to do with this article , talk about that not about who is right and who is wrong
That's over with let it be
Obviously the country decided enough was enough and the people wanted the country back in the hands of Britain. In every kind of job type, every kind of way of life, poor or rich the majority voted the leave. someone below says: if you voted out you obviously have no clue what's going on in the eu, that is a bold claim to make and a stupid one at that.. I for one am glad we will no longer be paying money each year for those rich politicians to stay in there multi-million pound mansion, what a waste when there is so much poverty in the world, show how wrong politics actually is. The whole eu is governed by those rich prats who sit in there ivory towers and enjoy the high life, creating there rules and.now we as a country are free from them. all we have to do as a country is move forward but our priminister made the bitch move and decided to quit rather than stick it out, he threw a wobbly cuz he and his party could not get there way.
Talk about this article not your political view honestly why do that ?
The article is a great piece and makes sense and your talking about a political view and causing arguments
http://nymag.com/daily/inte...
Some of the important parts:
"In 1952, a bunch of European nations decided they were sick of going to war with each other a few times every century."
"For all its faults, there’ve been no world wars since the EU was formed."
People were already complaining about sending their family off to wars, now imagine that on a larger scale.
Apparently 52% don't care about peace.
Talk about the article not a political view
This is not a site that should be used to discuss things like that , the article is mentioning the fact they ensure to keep jobs etc
Dicsus the gamming side of the this vote
Wasn't called the EU at the start and there is big changes since the 50's and now.
You go on about peace but that's the UNs job.
Sure some brits fear it now,you will thank that 52% later.WE(The Netherlands) have little chance of change.