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Sony PS3 hardware sales sees major slump in Q1 2011

Sony has published its reports for the quarter ending June 30 and the results aren’t pretty.

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Inside_out4669d ago (Edited 4669d ago )

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Looks like the hack had a devastating effect on console sales. With the holidays around the corner, I think they can make up the difference. The holiday launch of Battlefield 3 and COD will really help them move some hardware...no need to panic.

dangert124669d ago

Lets not make excuses...so what sony sold less. I still get to play great sony ps3 exclusives only time this matters is when sony look guys this is too much were packing in the console business which i would dread cause IMO there miles better then nintendo and microsoft Imagine this gen without the ps3 exclusives like.
Demon souls
MGS 4
LBP 1&2
Yakuza 3&4
Modnation
Infamous 1&2
Uncharted 1&2
Killzone 2
Socom 4
WKC
MAG
Warhawk
Wipeout
Flower
Resistance 1&2...

dangert124669d ago

Cute the 'Disagree entourage' is in full effect today ^_^

I_find_it_funny4669d ago

i disagree with you just because you one of those who feel the nees to post a list of ps3 exclusives

Dante1124669d ago (Edited 4669d ago )

So it's a 3.2 difference between the PS3 and Xbox 360 now. Thought some folks here said it was 5 million?

Edit: Also for future disagrees and for "Why oh Why"

Xbox 360 sold 1.7 million

http://www.videogamer.com/n...

PS3 1.8 million

http://www.gamersmint.com/s...

ImHereNow4669d ago Show
jessupj4669d ago

I have no idea why you're getting so many disagrees. And they say this site is run by PS3 fanboys.

I agree though, I would be very depressed if sony didn't exist and I was forced to choose the 360 to satisfy my console gaming needs. I probably wouldn't even by a core gamer if that was the case. I'd just be a semi core PC gamer.

Solid_Snake-4669d ago

i disagree because your one of them insecure fanboys that needs to make a list of sony's (mediocre) exclusives.

Cmpunk4669d ago

yes sony should be ashamed of these results but still ps3 has outsold xbox again they should be happy about that 3.2m to go.

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skeletonss4668d ago

if you think MAG, WKC and infamous 2 were good games, i got a bridge to sell you.
id take gears 1 2 3 over MOST of those games. minus warhawk, killzone and metal gear.

MysticStrummer4668d ago

@skeletonss - To each their own. MAG is still my favorite online FPS this gen. Donno about WKC myself, but lots of people on my friend list were addicted to that game for a looong time and swore it was great. Donno about Infamous 2 either, though I intend to play it eventually because I loved the first one. Having played Gears 1 and 2, I wouldn't take any game in that series over any game on danger12's list. Good luck selling that bridge.

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nycredude4668d ago

Skeletonss

You joking right? I owned Gears 1 and 2 and never could play past the first hour. Just boring as hell. And Gears 3 isn't even out yet.

Mag I play nothing else fr 3 months straight and met like 30 gaming friends. Infamous is great, just like the first. WKC i own but got a backlog of games so neer finished.

Like someone else said to each his own. Gears I couldn't care less about.

gaden_malak4668d ago

"if you think MAG, WKC and infamous 2 were good games, i got a bridge to sell you. "

And here's some free advice:

Learn what an opinion is.

cobblestone194668d ago

@ Solid_Snake-

It's a shame that you have so many agrees.
It's a testament to how many 360 fanboys care about sales. That's why your in this article.

Majority of Ps3 exclusives are fantastic games.

Mediocre? lol no...

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Why o why4669d ago

damn you sony!.....now all I get are these extra games instead of my financial bonuses :(

on topic

too bad!

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IRetrouk4669d ago

if you actually read the story, software sales are up.

Information Minister4669d ago

@ palaeomerus:
So what's your point? Is it that Sony should publish less games and be more like MS? Even if Sony's profits exploded sky high, how would gamers benefit from that, considering they would be getting LESS games to chose from? I'm sure that would be very good for shareholders, but what's in it for the people who actually play the games?

How are gamers reaping the benefits of Microsoft's increased profits? By getting Kinect shoved down their throats and fronting extra cash for XBL's price hike?

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with my "extra games".

MOTY4668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

Yes thank you Sony. Thank you for producing all that "quantity" of games...it's just a shame that in your pursuit of trying to push out so many exclusives in 1 year, you denied the "quality" on a few of those titles.

I will take quality over quantity any day...remember a couple years back when a certain crowd that plagues this were preaching the whole quality > quantity on this site? Ah good times, good times.

cemelc4668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

@MOTY

"Yes thank you Sony. Thank you for producing all that "quantity" of games...it's just a shame that in your pursuit of trying to push out so many exclusives in 1 year, you denied the "quality" on a few of those titles. "

LOOOOOOL, dont know wich games you played but im pretty sure they were all rated 8+ or 9+, when you say quality you must mean something else cos from critics to players all agree they are quality tittles.

Why o why4668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

Yeah moty, the same multiplats and zero non kinect games. Good for you and if youre that picky you probably wouldnt of played much this year at all. No wonder youre here trolling all the time. Not enough goty material...be it multi or exclusive. Add up the averages of those 'mediocre' titles from sony and youll see their average score is higher than the multiplats average score so who got the better deal here. (i didnt tell you to add up the average 360 score because they havent released anything non kinect yet, yeah its july, i know).

Sony being 1st 2nd or 3rd wont change much for me as i get ef all for it. You celebrate sonys horrific sales like you get more games......lmao.. You get nothing other than the 'not got much to play so ima troll' achievement since you only play the best of the best an all. So yeh, quality over quantity but i dont think ms's gap over sony or npd are playable games quite yet. So with no quantity its impossible to have any quality. I say this but you may just prefer kinect...good for you as youre gunna be seeing a lot more of that if ms keeps moving how theyre moving.

Im not taking the piss out of 360 owners only just all the troll types that think sony ms or nintendo are their friends. All we should be asking for is games that we like and support. Too many people caring about these huge company's bottom lines when you should be caring more about what they provide for us..... i understand that this is about sales which on closer examination aren't as bad as some would have us believe but lets put things in perspective. What do we get. I mean the the second place console is doing so terrific why'd you have to wait 8 months for core games to be released. Dont tell me all of n4gs 360 crowd have shifted to the casual side because thats what ms are doing. Multiplatform games were always available but those old school screams of 'no games' shows how hypocritical some people can be. Never mind a bit of banter but with the bait n switch ms have pulled, how can you take the pee with a straight face.

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Information Minister4668d ago

@ MOTY:
Ohhh, that is just priceless! What high quality Xbox 360 releases are you referring to exactly? Please, I'd like to know precisely what exclusive Xbox 360 game released so far in 2011 blows this ( http://www.metacritic.com/g... ) and this ( http://www.metacritic.com/g... ) out of the water.

MysticStrummer4668d ago

The people who don't understand that PS3 still outsold 360 even with this slump make me smile. Thank you, silly people.

Anon19744668d ago

Not a great quarter from Sony. Beat the 360 this quarter, barely - but still well behind so far this year. Looks like Jesse of EEDAR was way off with his "PS3 outselling 360 by 10% ytd"

It was only a matter of time that the impact from the price cut would start to fizzle, although it lasted longer then I had anticipated, almost two years - and numbers for this quarter are still well above how many PS3's used to sell before the price cut. I'm sure the PSN outage didn't help either.

Still I feel this lends more credibility to the rumor we might see another PS3 price cut incoming. It's been years now since Sony confirmed the PS3 had been profitable as a platform, and over a year since Sony stated the hardware was profitable. It's been two years since Sony stated costs to manufacture the PS3 were down 70% since launch, putting the cost to make a PS3 around $240. The costs have to be lower than $200 now.

With PS3 software sales up and making a tonne of cash, it makes sense for Sony to get more units into more homes. A cut from $299 to $199 would certainly do that - and I have a feeling it'll happen at Gamescon next month. I've even advised a good friend who needs to replace his burned out PS3 to wait a month and potentially save himself $100.

That would certainly put the PS3 over the top this holiday season. $199 - almost the same price as a wii and you get Blu-Ray, 3D, Uncharted 3, Modern Warfare 3. At $199, there will be a lot of PS3's under the tree this year.

gamingdroid4668d ago

As you reduce price, it gets increasingly harder to save money so I doubt Sony is able to reduce a $100 since last price cut which they were just breaking even at best.

The next price cut will be $50 for a total price of $250 for the PS3, but MS is in the driving seat now. Profitable business, large growth and pricing advantage.

MS can drop the price any time to raise market share so can easily compete with Sony. Most likely Sony will just keep the price for the foreseeable future as it is at least profitable.

EVILDEAD3604668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

Interesting how your tone has changed now when the shoe is on the other foot. Sony will be fine this year, just like they are every year. Whether, they choose to announce a price cut or not, Sony will still have a great holiday and ultimately a great year.

But the point I make is after you've obsessed about Micrsoft's suposed quarterly losses at every opportunity you've had, it's peculiar how you approach Sonys report. And this isn't to bash you..these are FACTS

Just 3 days ago when you believed the analyst who said that he thought the 360 was 10% behind the PS3 you said..

'If Kinect is doing so well, where has the growth gone year over year? What happened to the increase of 80% for 360 sales year over year for the quarter? Why are MS hiding the Kinect figures? Why is the division almost in the red for the quarter?'

Heres your answer..

Twelve months ended June 30, 2011 compared with twelve months ended June 30, 2010

-EDD revenue increased primarily reflecting higher Xbox 360 platform revenue. Xbox 360 platform revenue grew $2.7 billion or 48%, led by increased volumes of Xbox 360 consoles, sales of Kinect sensors, and higher Xbox LIVE revenue

Sony's report

Sony Corporation,the world's largest game console maker,announced its consolidated results for the first quarter ended June 30, 2011 (April 1, 2011 to June 30, 2011)

-Sony Corporation posted an operating income of $340 million;the company reported a net loss of $191 million

Worldwide hardware shipped this year for the first two quarters January through June...

PS3 - (1st) 2.1 + (2nd) 1.8 = 3.9 Million
Xbox 360 - (1st) 2.7 + (2nd) 1.7 = 4.4 Million
Nintendo - (1st) 1.36 (2nd) 1.56 = 2.92 Million

These are simply the facts..this ain't even about whose winning or losing, just to point out the hypocrisy of agressively repeating how bad you believe Microsoft is doing in article after article, but when it's Sony? Proof is in the pudding.

Even this article has turned into the daily 'exclusives' war..

That's fine..who cares about preference..it would just be nice if people back up all the talk and actually support the games for the systems they own.

It's honestly such a great time to be a gamer no matter what you own..I say own em' all

Evil

EVILDEAD3604668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

@ Darkride..

Please stop spamming users inboxes with your posts..but then cowardly blocking the responses because you can't handle the truth. Believe me..I only used one example..I could had used many many more.

You are in my inbox pretending that Im only saying that you should be more negative about Sony. Wrong..look at your entire history. You have spent article after article for over a year trying to point out how bad financially microsft is doing from quarter to quarter. Even if they have a good quarter you try to spin it negative. But like I said..here we have Sony and look at your post.

Fact had Microsoft posted a 100 million dollar loss in any year you would have been the very first post..in fact you would have blogged about it..lol.

Which is ur god given right. Ur bias and agenda is clear..we get it..but so is the hypocrisy..and I just simply pointed it out

Evil

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Optical_Matrix4669d ago

Can't be that devastating if it's still 10% of the 360 in hardware sales can it? lol Things will get back on track I'm sure. Whether or not it sells isn't a concern to me because I've personally, got a shit tonne of games to look forward to on the system and it's not like this short sales slump is going to stop them from releasing now is it?

squallheart4669d ago

This would explain why we havent received any ps3 shipments since may at target stores

Drekken4668d ago

Every time I read a post by this guy I get an overwhelming urge to go to the bathroom.

kingdoms4668d ago (Edited 4668d ago )

Sorry they are not making the difference. That's not even the main reason PS3 sales are down. The sales are down because PS3 is losing the hearts and minds of the consumers due to system software, services, software titles and kinect. The myth the PS3 being more powerful has been killed in the public eye so worry worts no longer avoid the 360. I'm telling you right now forza 4 will take over GT prestige and be the new racer to worship in Europe and around the world.

PS3's mediocre fluffware exclusives are not enough to compete against all the other reasons consumers are buying consoles for these days. Once digital TV comes to XBL there will be no need for sales comparisons anymore because the 360 will sell a million or more consoles a month by default.

jeseth4668d ago

They need a price cut.

Period.

showtimefolks4668d ago

its funny how people are happy ps3 sold less yet still sold 1.8 million

and i expect ps3's q2 numbers to be much much better along with strong numbers from ms with xbox360

why can't people accept the fact both consoles are doing quite well and both will have some great games come fall 2011 exclusive and 3rd party wise?

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GodHandDee4669d ago (Edited 4669d ago )

At the time sony was still within the first year of its price cut and was riding that wave of demand so the hardware sales numbers are not surprising. Even then they managed to ship more than MS (which is not an insult, both were very close and did well), this is while facing the PSN hack situation too if I'm not mistaken

I wish the article would also highlight the positive aspects of the financials more as well, maybe include them in the headline itself, such as huge numbers shown for psp and ps2 in addition to great growth in software numbers

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disturbing_flame4669d ago (Edited 4669d ago )

1.4 millions for PS2. That's amazing.

With the approach of the September i think Sony is in a bad posture at the moment against Microsoft.
Kinect + Star Wars
Gears of War 3
Halo HD
These three games gonna rules the american market and gonna push forward 360 sales in the US.
Forza 4 release gonna push 360 hardware in Europe.

If Sony wants to do a great move, they have to announce a price cut at the gamescom this year to push forward playstation 3.

More than that japan economy was not so great after the earthquake, and the problem with the PSN affected also the image of Sony this year, but they are still doing great job considering those major crisis they went through. They prove they are reactive, and still the PS3 is doing great worldwide even if those numbers tends to prove the opposite.

Playstation Vita is also coming soon. It can be a new way to highlight the playstation blend and maybe give a new way to use both PS3 and PSvita together. Wait 'n'see.

chasedagreat4669d ago (Edited 4669d ago )

most of those games are trash

disturbing_flame4669d ago

I'm not talking about the quality of them, i havn't played them, you did not too.
Anyway the quality isn't the point here.

I'm just talking about their reception on the market.
Gears 3 is already over 1 million pre-orders, and can push hardware with its special edition bundled with the red 360.

Halo has always been doing great on the US market, the fanboy base is huge when you see how much people just bought ODST (that i consider as a really average game) you know Halo HD is going to do good scores too.

Star wars bundled with Kinect. Star Wars is famous and on Black Friday its like a gift everyone could do, bundled with Kinect wich is doing great in sales, it can push forward hardware. The bundle can be a choice for a present at Christmas too, very oriented kids friendly (no it's not dirty).

Forza 4 can do great scores in Europe, people are more car simulation friendly here (GT5 has its best scores in terms of selling in Europe) it can push forward 360.

More than that you have also COD that is releasing on November and that is always doing better on 360. Microsoft has also securized a time exclusive on DLC map pack so sales gonna be huge on 360.

PS3 has also great games.
Resistance 3 looks like a great FPS, with a great ambiance. The game is releasing in two months now and it seems that the PS3 community is not responding to it by a great support in terms of preorders. It's sad. It seems that it's doing less than 100000 preorders for the moment.

Uncharted 3 is considered as the GOTY by gametrailers. If Naughty Dog is going far beyond the awesomeness of uncharted 2 it can really push forward PS3 worldwide, for the moment preorders are not so great but it can move with time.

There are also great games like Disgaea 4 or ICO compilation HD releasing. But i think these games are more confidential and are not going to push forward hardware.

That's the reason i think gamesccom can be a key moment in the year of Sony. They announced playstation slim at Gamescom so they can do a new announcement this year.
The end of the year gonna sse the two systems going huge anyway, but it seems that Microsoft have put all its bullets for the holidays and christmas time.

Cmpunk4669d ago

what the hell are you talking about

right now halo ce pre orders are 55 thousand thats low even for halo and forza is 53 thousand plus forza sells more in usa then europe so please dont make that nonsence up

DaTruth4668d ago

I still don't understand how games on their 3rd and 4th iteration this gen are gonna move hardware; are they gonna replace the RRODed console now that these games are out?

How are you gonna miss 2 GeoW, 3 Forza's and 3 Halo's, but now suddenly decide to pick up a 360 for these new games?

Don't mean to offend anyone with the RROD mention, but I just can't think of another reason!

aviator1894668d ago

@ Cmpunk
So, I assume you're getting your pre-order data from vgchartz??
You should know that the website is not good with pre-orders data. They usually stealth-edit frequently.

ASSASSYN 36o4668d ago

@aviatior Then give him a credible website besides vgchartz. If you can't then STFU.

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EVILDEAD3604668d ago

Actually..really good post by disturbing flame..+ bubbz

You nailed a big part of that post. In regards to Microsofts software..Gears will do a phenomenal first weekend in the fall and easily take number one for September and rank pretty high for October. Forza does not sell as high right out of the gate. But this time could be different if Microsoft actually pushes the casual side of the game, the Kinect features w/ Autovista and Arcade driving. Either way the battlefield numbers are going to rule the day. Believe me, when Halo Anniversary gets closer to launch it will be fine in it's own regard. But, MW3 is going to dominate November in a big way.

What will be interesting is what happens when Uncharted 3 is finally out there in a month with MW3? Will enough PS3 users finally push the game to new heights or will MW3 destroy records of past games and eclipse everything in it's path for the system. This by far is the most competitive holiday in ANY gen. There are literally all big movers and shakers littering the entire fall and winter line-up.

Life is good..

Evil

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers13d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken13d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g13d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing13d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H913d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola13d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66913d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle13d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg14d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos14d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola14d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies34d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken34d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga34d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken34d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6434d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long34d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197234d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic34d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12534d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91334d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer34d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91333d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit33d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher34d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6933d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit33d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher34d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken34d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197234d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic34d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2334d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218334d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder34d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts34d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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