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David Jaffe Hits Out at Twisted Metal Fan

A Twisted Metal fan has hit out at the game's creator's decision to include Jay-Z songs in the upcoming PlayStation 3 exclusive. Naturally, David Jaffe wasn't too pleased with the fan's comments and the God of War creator has responded to the fan's 'racist' comment.

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ShadesMoolah1858d ago

Holy sh** is nowhere safe.

zootang1858d ago

MSxbox-world.com????

I thought this was a PS3 exclusive.

GrieverSoul1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

The guy was being a douche alright.

Still, I dont like Jay-Z music... Im not very happy with him being on the soundtrack. I really dont like his music. But to go on an offensive personal attack to its skin color is just ridiculous.

RankFTW1858d ago TrollingShow
I_find_it_funny1858d ago

I dont mind Jay-z but I hope its just one song

they could use something from JayZ vs LP albums

nix1858d ago TrollingShow
the_kutaragi_baka1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

makes me laugh when people accuse people of being racist because they wont date someone from oppositte music preference.

So i find it funny how other people seem to think they have a right to dictate when it is ‘wrong’ that they dont date inter racially.

SilentNegotiator1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

Jaffe calls out a racist and MSxbox-world calls him a douche. That makes sense. /s

But it's Playstation related. I shouldn't be surprised.

@Above comment
The comment wasn't racist because he didn't like rap. It's how he said it.

ZombieNinjaPanda1857d ago

The kid was being racist, he deserved the developer's retort.

BattleAxe1857d ago

The USA needs to just let go of this hatred for people with different colored skin, its 2011 for heaven's sake.

SilentNegotiator1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

@BattleAxe

Who said the commenter was from the USA?

People need to stop thinking that racism is exclusive to the US and that everyone speaking english is from the USA.

Lifendz1857d ago

I wouldn't mind a little "99 problems" on a Twisted Metal stage. "Kingdom Come" would be hot. Maybe a little "Public Service Announcement" during the menus...I dunno...has some potential to me. Guy was probably looking for attention and he got it. Rather the re-publish these sorts of things I think we should just add it to the ignore bin.

Rattlehead201857d ago

@SilentNegotiator

What? They never called Jaffe a douche?!

Read the article man!

pixelsword1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

@ zootang:

well, given E3 and all, he has to write about *something*

=/... (really, get some info on Gears 3 or that roman game on kinect already!)

At any rate, why the Eff do they have the word racist in quotes like what that punk said was debatable if it was a racist quote or not?

You gotta wonder how stupid people are getting these days.

gaffyh1857d ago

@Silent - They didn't call Jaffe a douche anywhere in the article. Also the comment is very racist, he says:

" Not to be racist but I don't want to here blacks rap about there bitches and hoes at all. Nor do I want them playing TM. "

That's very racist imo.

Spydiggity1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

lets be clear here. the guy probably is a racist...but his comment was NOT racist. mentioning skin color does not make you a racist. He was not hating on another person's skin color, he was hating on the music.

hating on music is not racist and it's perfectly okay to do so. he shouldn't have said it the way he did though, because small minded people will deflect away from the issue (which is that the music choice sucks) and focus on the fact (the semantics) that he said "black."

again, the guy may be a racist...seems likely, but the point of the comment was not to be racist, it was to express a distaste in TM's choice of music. the person expressing the distaste just happens to be an idiot.

now, if anyone else says "jay-z sucks," they will also be labelled as a racist; when in fact, jay-z just plain sucks. if you're gonna put in some rap, lets go for some quality underground stuff...especially since TM feels like an underground type of setting (not literally underground). maybe some Immortal Technique (not really underground anymore, i suppose)?

CarlosX3601857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

How about fans start learning NOT to make spats with Jaffe. Then these fans wouldn't get these embarrassing spars. :P

Lykon1857d ago

I hate black gansta rap and i hate it in games but that doesn't make me racist and doesn't mean i prejudge people who like rap. It is actually quite a challenge to live around black communities with the crime and violence etc and not become prejudiced though.

ZombieNinjaPanda1857d ago

If you guys seriously do not think that what the dude said wasn't racist, you need to re-look at it a couple times.

"'Really? Most of these suck! Is he really trying to get Jay-z songs in a Twisted Metal? Not to be racist but I don't want to here blacks rap about there bitches and hoes at all. Nor do I want them playing TM. "

I don't want to 'here' black's rap about their bitches and hoes at all.

****Nor do I want them playing TM."

If that ain't racist that I don't know what is.

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No Way1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

Are you kidding, man? How can you say that that statement is not racist?
Okay.. "Not to be racist" Stop there, you know a racist comments coming.
Just because he mentioned that, he knew what he was sayin; bein racist.
"but I don't want to here blacks rap about there bitches and hoes at all."
Okay, so that may be more stereotypical, but being racist can be debatable.
"Nor do I want them playing TM." If you say that's not racist.. You're ignorant.

Spydiggity1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

i already explained VERY clearly why the statement itself isn't racist.

if he said "i want black ppl to die, or black ppl are ugly, or w/e" THAT would be racist.

what he said was that rap music is about hoes and whatever. well, that's actually pretty factual...sure, it's a generalization, but it's still not a lie.

the guy may very well be a racist, and the comment may have been tinged with racial connotation; but the point of the comment was that he didn't want a certain type of music in this game, and THAT is NOT racist.

people are so overly sensitive towards what white people say. if a black person said country music was just white people singing about trucks, would you think that's racist? NO! you wouldn't. because the comment isn't racist. it's a semi-factual generalization. the person that said it might be a racist, but the comment itself is not.

people really need to grow up and stop deflecting the issues with semantics. that is the point i was making, and i stand by it. i fully expected to get a ton of disagrees for my comment. people aren't smart enough to think beyond unimportant points...that's why nothing ever gets done in washington...too much emphasis on semantics and not enough focus on the real point.

if a racist says "i like turtles," that doesn't make the statement racist. his views towards race have NOTHING to do with the statement.

stop trying to be so overly pc and THINK! political correctness is such a blight on society anymore. sympathy and empathy are a good thing, but political correctness is a BS means of guilting stupid people into towing the line. and in this case, jaffe is using it as a way of side-stepping the issue, and that is that he is being called out for putting music that some ppl don't like into his game. but instead of doing the grown up thing, and arguing about why he put that music in there, he's deflecting the argument into an issue of race so that he doesn't have to address it. see how easy it is to win an argument when you make accusations of race? he automatically wins. it's incredibly childish.

EDIT: Ignorance is expressing an opinion or a point of view despite a total lack of knowledge or understanding. I completely understand where you people are coming from, and i partially agree. but the ignorance is your position on the argument when the overall point of the statement is about the music, not about black people. most rappers are black, and much of rap is about money and hoes. you can't dispute these facts. the fact that the guy is racist is irrelevant to the perspective being presented. he doesn't think rap music is well suited for twisted metal. if jaffe thinks it is, the ONLY argument that he counters with should be about why rap music IS suited for his game.
i recommend everyone goes and reads the text book called "The Art of Reasoning."

jib1857d ago

@spy

did you miss the part where he said he doesn't want "them" playing twisted metal?

and to quote: "I don't want to here blacks rap about there bitches and hoes at all. Nor do I want them playing TM" -- again: " ...NOR DO I WANT THEM PLAYING TM"

how is not wanting black people playing twisted metal not racist?

Marceles1857d ago

I didn't mind the complaint until he said "Nor do I want THEM playing TM". I'm pretty tired of Jay-Z myself. I'm black, but shit like this is so racist that all I can do is laugh that there's still people like this in the world.

Anarki1857d ago

I agree with the guy to an extent. I don't want to hear that kind of music. Twisted METAL.....should have METAL right?!

Kleptic1856d ago (Edited 1856d ago )

This is always a tricky topic to comment on without having someone pull the R card...

The kids statement was 'racist' in the extent that he labeled it 'not to be racist, but...'...

but what no one can argue against is that 80% of rap is generally a 'black person bitching about his hoes'...or 'money'...or 'weed'...its like people that don't prefer that type of music are not allowed to mention that most of it is exactly that...

and its perfectly fine for ANYONE to not like it...personally i can't listen to more than 30 seconds of pretty much all of Jayz's stuff...I don't find it cool, or hip, or why it sells so much...

but do I care if its in TM?...no...I understand there are plenty of people that do like it, and that doesn't bother me at all either...Pretty much any modern video game will have some degree of music I don't prefer, and i just either get over it, or hope the game has the custom music feature...which pretty much all Ps3 games do now anyway...

just lighten up...the kid had a point that the majority of available rap songs center around what he mentioned...that isn't his fault...he just went about the comment completely wrong, but its not like the backlash was THAT big of a deal either...

reminds me of this; still one of the funniest things i've seen this guy do:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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fluffydelusions1857d ago

Not really a fan of rap, 99.9% of the mainstream stuff is utter garbage. The closest I get to it is stuff from the likes of Massive Attack and similar who are pure win.

pixelsword1857d ago

Underground 101:

If the track has a video and it's produced by a big label, it is mainstream.

T3MPL3TON 1857d ago

Massive Attack doesn't even do rap music. They do Drum and Base which is derived from Techno.

Not all rap is the crap on the tv man.. expand your view.

Bloodraid1852d ago

Yes, all rap is crap... /s

frostypants1857d ago

Good for Jaffe. Bigots should always be humiliated.

Dlacy13g1857d ago

Here here... bubbles for intelligence!

Carnage1857d ago

*Screams like a rocker* BUBBALESS!!!! *Then does the moonwalk*

gunnerforlife1857d ago

i dont know what the guy said, But i probs agree with him to a certain extent that Jay-Z songs r gone be a huge turn of for me just because hes oner of the worst rappers ever and i hate his music!

KwietStorm1857d ago

You don't know what the guy said? Was it too much trouble to click the link?

GamerSciz1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

@gunnerforlife LoL, one of the worst? According to Wikipedia, Jay-Z is a pretty well respected rapper. He is by no means one of the worst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

P.S. One of the worst would be Benzino. Look him up.

BX811857d ago

@gunnerforlife. Jay-Z called and said based on all your spelling mistakes he's not too sad you're not a huge fan of his. Now give me gum dumb dumb!

gunnerforlife1857d ago

well i'm more of a fan of rap as in 2pac, biggie Eazy E, nas, big pun, big l etc.. rap/hiphop with a deep meaning, and not just nonsense about girls money and stuff like that.
and i hate 90% of commercial rapper!!!
infact only hiphop star that i hate more then Jay Z is probably Lil wayne.

@GamerSciz well he mite be respected in the industry but theirs allot of Hip hop fans that hate him just for being so commercial and sh1t, and i'm one of them

No Way1857d ago

Hahah, Benzino .. why would he go and fuck with Eminem? lmao.

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capitalK1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

He doesn't seem like the only racist in the forum (many are also admins and mods): http://temp.tmalliance.com/...

T3MPL3TON 1857d ago

Yeah, I stopped even thinking of the forum a long time ago as I was banned for what I can only assume was due to my race.

There was a "What Nationality Are You" thread. I posted saying I was mixed (Black and White) and hadn't posted anything else I was then banned for a week with no reason given.

Legion1851d ago

@T3MPL3TON

Maybe not the point, but you do realize that saying you are mixed (Black and White) did not actually answer the question of Nationality? Might have just been an ignorance ban??

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Prcko1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Good job jaffe

WitWolfy1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

Its always funny how blacks/African Americans always use the "race card" when someone disses their life style. Even here in South Africa we hear about apartheid on a daily basis like it end last year, IT DRIVES ME CRAZY always acting like the victims... GET OVER IT!

If the guy dont like rap. HE DONT LIKE RAP! God make your own Ghetto TM if it pisses you off that much

news4geeks1858d ago

apparently the guy claiming to have wrote it then commented:

"Yay that was me. Not a huge fan of rap. It was a mean comment agains African amerians but it was a joke that people at TMA and aparentley the maker of my favorite game series can't understand. I do how ever like older hip hop. Don't call me a racist though becuase I'm not, and if think I am well, I guess I have to tell the creator of my favorite game to F-off. Though if you could understand that it was a joke and realize you tweat got me into pointless arguments at TMA i'll definitely over look this and still respect you."

This guy is an idiot. He may not truly be racist but what he said definitely is racist and didn't come across as a lighthearted joke.

KING851858d ago

To make that comment and then say I am not racist is this guy simply being dilusional. If you don't agree I does not belong on the soundtrack that is all well and good. This guy is however so racist he can't even realize it. A joke. I guess many may not share his warped sense of humor.

Dlacy13g1857d ago

This guy was a total Douche bag. "Don't call me a racist though because I am not" See that is the problem with most people these days that make racist comments... They don't think they are being racist because they only make comments or just talk that way to friends about others of a different race. News flash to all the ignorant individuals like this person. If you think that way, even if you don't publically say it, you are at your core a racist. And for this idiot...if you are going to put up in a public forum that kind of BS... you most certainly are a racist.

Lastly, racism is a disease born from lack of education. If you are a racist you are sick... you could be cured through learning but sadly most will die inside from it.

BX811857d ago

Bravo sir! People like him think it's ok to be a dumb ass because they hang around with other dumbasses. Perfect example I have 4 people I play call of duty with and they're pretty decent guys but this one thing really bothers me. The other day we're playing black ops and they were talking about some guy and they kept reffering to him as a "nig". WTF is that? I always make a comment to them about it and just zone them out.

jimmywolf1857d ago

@Dlacy13g i don't agree with him but way you think it is elitism , if you hate someone your a racist who slowly die inside? right, the whole world hates in one form or another, everyone can an will be racist at some point in time. hating those that hate, does not make your the lesser evil, it just breeds more hate

Dlacy13g1857d ago

@jimmywolf... I never said if you hate someone you are a racist. I fully understand someone can hate another individual and have justified reasons for the hate. But to hate all people of a race for no other reason than their race is racist and through my eyes wrong.

I do agree with you that at some point most everyone (there are always exceptions) will harbor some kind of racist thought or feeling of anger. It is through education and understanding that we realize those thoughts are miss-guided. I don't hate racists, I just feel sorry for them that they have such an uninformed view of life and society.

No Way1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

What's funny to me about people and racism, is my thought about it.
Parents who are racist tend to raise there kids to be the same; racist.
Though, all that is doing, hypothetically, is raising your kids to be hated.
Because, if you are racist, you will hate people (for no logical reason).
Therefore, hating a whole race for a stupid reason, makes people hate you.

At least, that's the way I look at it, when I see parents 'teach' their kids.

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CaptainMarvelQ81858d ago

i don't care how racist the comment is because he is absolutely right. Twisted Metal is all about hard action and rap doesn't fit it at all.

Terarmzar1857d ago

Right because there was never any rap songs in the old twisted metal games... I can name cypress hill instantly as having a rap song in the game.

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pixelsword1857d ago (Edited 1857d ago )

penguin:

rap isn't race oriented.

I though 4Chan was bad...

KING851857d ago

I understand what you are saying, but I believe there is a more important matter at hand than what music is going into Twisted Metal. As Dlacy13g said, "racism is a disease born from lack of education".

zeal0us1858d ago

sometimes ignorance can be bliss.

Sevir041857d ago

That's the case for a lot of people here on N4G!