Wii 2's GPU has 80% Higher Clock Speed Than 360

A recent piece of information was posted by 01net and translated by Destructoid: the Wii2 will probably have an ATI R700 series GPU.

Let’s look at the specs and compare them with the PS3 and 360.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

It should have a better CPU than NGP (4 Cores)
Well, time will tell.

[metsgaming]

let just say this is true, imagine how powerful the PS4 and new xbox will be !!!!!!!

[malamdra]

that the GPU is 80% more powerful doesn’t mean that the console is, there’s many other factors to consider

[hay]

So suddenly PS3 has more "powerful" GPU than Xbox360?
It's really poor comparison since clock isn't raw power but frequency(see Intel 2ghz vs AMD 2ghz - not 2000+).
And it's merely speculated...

Since Wii2 is rumored to be slightly more powerfull than PS3, PS4/NextBox will crush it with raw power. See technological jump between PS2 and PS3, Xbox and Xbox360. Wii2 will be nowhere close next gen with those specs.

[Clarence]

Thats true. Unless it has some good game I will not be buying it.

[BattleAxe]

Great to see Nintendo step up their game. Hopefully they can produce some great hardcore games for the system, and who knows, we might be seeing direct ports of multiplatform PS3 and Xbox 360 games over to the Wii 2. Another thing that is key for Nintendo is to keep all the Virtual Console content and backwards compatibility available for users of the Wii 2.

[AAACE5]

I don't expect the next Playstation or Xbox to be much more powerful than Wii 2!

It was hard for both companies to push those high priced consoles, and I don't think either want to go through that again!

Seeing how the Wii was weaker and cheaper and ended up leading because of those facts, the other 2 might try to stay pretty close to the next Wii.

Plus, the last thing we need is for something that cost too much to develop for. More companies would be forced to close because they couldn't afford to make games!

[Yukicore]

I hope they will make next consoles more of performance, not budget.

[I_find_it_funny]

when PS4 and next Xbox come out, Wii 2 still will be the weakest

[tawak]

IMPOSSIBLE! WHAT! 10,000,20,000,.300.xxX boom!!(power scale on vegeta's right eye explode) then PS4 appeared in front

[RedDragan]

What this generation has showed is that not so much more power is needed, just more RAM.

If PS4 was to match Wii2 on that scale, but have 2GB RAM then you can guarantee games will look more than just 0.25x better, as the picture suggests.

PS. Isn't my HD5870 a R700 GPU? Are 01net saying it will have a 5xxx?

[gta2800]

So they will make a console that's almost the same as the PS3 and eventually be left in the dust again when the PS4 and new xbox come out? Why not just make something miles ahead so they won't be left in the damn dust.

[HolyOrangeCows]

Just like the Wii is more powerful than the PS2/Gcube/xbox.....barely.

Current gen consoles outperforming last gen consoles? Preposterous!

[darksied]

@hay
Exactly, finally someone says the intelligent thing: clock power isn't equal to raw graphics power. For the graphics card alone, there's many other considerations. Then after that you have ram, cpu architecture, etc.

This is a poorly written article with very little intelligence behind it. And the graph ...? LOL, no comment.

[Millah]

What an idiot, he's comparing clock speeds...wow. Clock speed is almost completely irrelevant in measuring system performance. In fact, a better architecture could have a lower clock speed because of the efficiency of it's architecture and still be far more powerful. So an 80% higher clock speed could mean 80% more performance, it could mean 200% more performance, or it could even mean less performance. Just look at the old Intel days versus the PowerPC, Intel had much higher clock speeds in their Pentiums yet dramatically less performance than the G4 and G5.

[ComboBreaker]

Nintendo release 64 to compete with the PS1 too late. One year later, Sony just release PS2, way a machine way more powerful than the 64.

Wii 2 trying to compete with the PS3 and 360, and 1 year later, Sony will release PS4, a machine that is way more powerful.

Can Wii 2 duplicate Wii 1's success, or will Wii 2 just be a failure like N64?

[sikbeta]

If this is true, it's not shocking at all, I mean, the x360 was released in 2005, if Nintendo couldn't bring something powerful 6 later, well that would be more shocking :P

[trancefreak]

@combo the n64 was released a year after the ps1 in america in 1995. The ps2 was 2000/2001.

But I really see. your point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[stevenhiggster]

@Millah

True dat.
A GT440 has a higher clock speed than a GTX580, I think we all know which one is better. Clock speed, whilst not being completely irrelevent is not a deciding factor in how good a GPU is.

[GameSpawn]

ComboBreaker

I don't see Microsoft or Sony pulling a new system so soon. I'm not saying they don't have PlayStation 4.0 and XBOX 3.0 in R&D, just that graphically we have hit a wall.

Developers are still squeezing a little more out of each system (Wii excluded).

About the only thing that can be done to increase the graphical "WOW" factor is pushing draw distances back further, having more "actors" on screen, and higher levels of and better performing Anti-Aliasing algorithms.

We are reaching a point were the "WOW" is becoming less noticeable and frankly where we are graphically is more than acceptable.

Nintendo is just playing catch-up, like they always have. Nintendo always makes systems with 1-2 gambles, whose size would not completely devastate the system should they fail, and the rest of the system is built around tried and true guaranteed to get your money's worth technology. Case and point, the 3DS: Should the 3D feature totally flop, the 3DS is just an updated DSi with a better processor and more memory. This is bound to happen since ALL 3DS games are required to have the Glasses-free 3D functionality turned off by option, thus making the 3DS a DSi+N64 lovechild.

Nintendo has forgotten about their core market from the late 80s and early 90s. Not only have they forgotten them they have flipped them the proverbial bird. Nintendo only cares for "suckers" that accept buying an underwhelming console for ever more so underwhelming shovel-ware games.

I gave up on Nintendo after SNES. I had more fun playing my PS1 than my friends' N64s, hence why I never had a desire to own an N64.

I got a GameCube for Christmas without really asking for one, and after finishing the LoZ Collection that came with it and Metroid, it sat and still sits gathering dust.

Up to current gen, I bought a Wii out of pure freaking impulse (mainly for Prime 3) and it has received less play time then my GameCube did. Also, the addition of the motion controls made me despise the hell out of Prime 3 to the point that I don't even care to purchase or even remotely try Other M.

Sorry for the rant. I just really have a lot of hatred for gaming companies that stifle the industry by not giving a flying twat what their core market wants or likes and cares only for their bottom line and sacrificing their current market for a new one because it can't compete with the other kids in the school yard.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Well, it was already stated multiple times before that the PS3 has more raw power overall. Its CPU is also like 3 times more powerful.

Anyway, I'm just looking at the end result, the games.
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[On topic]
The Wii (despite have last gen graphics )felt new because of the introduction of motion controls.
The Wii 2, on the other hand, NEEDS to be more powerful than current gen consoles and can no longer simply rely on motion controls. It doesn't have the same impact.
I don't expect it to be as powerful as the next PS or Xbox systems, but somewhere in between would be good.

We'll just have to wait and see the end results.

[morkendo23]

The Wii 2 is looking as if it could hold its own against Sony and Microsoft’s next consoles.

NOW THAT'LL BE SOMETHING TO SEE

[Kingscorpion1981]

But we still have to wait a long time for them!

[mikeslemonade]

80% is nothing to put things in perspective. The wii is probably around 80% stronger than gamecube, so once again Nintendo slights us short again. On the other hand PS3 is many times stronger than PS2 upwards of 100 times stronger.

[DOMination]

Why are so many of you talking about the ps3? Is it because you feel insecure a new console is coming that's more powerful?

[Morbius420]

Clock speed went out with TechTV.

[Lawliet]

Lame... Whether it is better in raw power alone wouldn't change anything that the system wouldn't give the reason for developers to work with. Nintendo is famous for their casual market. Out of 99.9% of casual games on the market doesn't even use much GPU let alone fully utilizing the CPU.

And as the system built to be better every sense it's just going to cost. ATI R700 alone would cost about $250!

[Kurt Russell]

I don't think the people who this console is marketed towards give a toss about your boring spec talk people. Go get some sunshine.

[RedSky]

If it doesn't have 80% more processing power, they're doing something wrong.

Being able to optimise a single piece of hardware has hidden the fact that the graphics cards in consoles are woefully old.

Specifications are not linear predictions of performance but consider that the 360 graphics card comaparable to a souped up X1900 released in January 2006 has 106 million transistors.

A HD 6970 selling for ~$300, right now has an 880Mhz clock speed and 2.64 BILLION transistors.

[Aquanox]

This is so deceiving. The Ps3 GPU has a higher clock than Xbox 360's but the architechture on the 360 makes it a more powerful GPU.

I hope the Wii 2 finally makes a big step ahead. I'm tired of Low Resolution Zeldas.

[paintsville]

Hmmm. I'm not sure where this kid got his PS3 GPU spec??? Completely wrong. The RSX is a gpu based on the gforce 7800 architecture that runs at a clock speed of 550mhz not 700mhz LOL. Get real. Heres the specs kids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[jeseth]

It would be nice to see Nintendo finally put out something with some real competitive hardware (It just ups the ante for Sony and MS).

But like others said, unless Nintendo starts doing more than Mario, Zelda, and shovelware . . . . I'm all set.

[Scyrus]

yes metsb, and imagine how much longer the dev times will be!!! we dont need a new gen already, ps3 and 360 are fine where they are

[SonyPS360]

Why doubt that Nintendo will have the most powerful? This is the only generation where Sony had a more powerful console than Nintendo.

[AuToFiRE]

why is everyone voting it as doubtful? i think very much it should be faster than the 360s, the 360 just uses standard RAM and standard RAM has made quite a few leaps and bounds since the 360 came out, since 2005, DDR3, 4 and 5 have come out, if it runs slower or the same speed than the 360 i would be very surprised

[JsonHenry]

You can't go by clock speeds alone to say which is faster. A newer architecture with more shader pipelines (whatever they call them now) and a slower GPU speed could easily best an older architecture card with a much higher core clock.

[Knushwood Butt]

Nintendo games are all about teh gameplay, not graphics.

[RememberThe357]

Than why make a new console?

[gamingdroid]

It's like saying the Pentium 4 was a powerful beast compared to the AMD Athlon's back in the day because we were going purely for Gigahertz!

Clearly, AMD Athlon's was superior at the time.

It's more the number (and type of) instructions per clock cycle and even then it depends on the task at hand.

I'm sure the Xbox 360 and PS3 could be bested by the Wii if things were coded in assembly though! Just don't expect the game to be released any time soon.

[fr0sty]

GPU =/= raw overall power. The article headline needs to be reworded. You can have the latest GPU on the market in there, but if you bundle it with a single core 2GHZ CPU and 64MB of RAM, PS3/360 will run circles around it.

[ProjectVulcan]

GPU performance is usually used as guide because it is the most limiting determining component for graphics. You also have to assume that the design of the machine will be fairly balanced by the engineers. That is unless you believe the designers would actually pair a decent GPU with a decade old CPU and equivalent memory...

[fr0sty]

Look at PS3... if you used it's GPU as a metric for determining overall power, everyone would be thinking that 360 was the more powerful system. However, we soon realize that is not the case, especially with exclusive titles. Reason being, PS3's architecture (bandwidth, separate memory pools not having to share that bandwidth with each other, etc.), and Cell's ability to lend a hand to RSX's rendering, give it advantages over what Xbox 360 can do.

[ProjectVulcan]

Not exactly true though fr0sty is it, thats taking the available evidence, and twisting it to suit your logic...

If PS3's memory, bandwidth and CPU are so greatly superior than 360's but its GPU is only slightly worse, then how comes most of the time they are so evenly matched. Or even further, how comes most of the time 360 even wins on multi format games? Why doesn't 360 get hammered everytime on everygame?

Well various reasons. But one major reason is the ease of development on 360 and the ease to extract performance, which in no small part is related to how comparatively easy it is to extract near maximum performance from it's flexible unified GPU.

Lets face it here, PS3 does have a few handful of exclusive games 360 would probably struggle to do, where the rest of the games it proves itself to be perfectly capable of.

This is why GPU is used as a fairly accurate rough metric. It is closest to determining maximum rendering performance than any other component. Even if your GPU is slightly faster and more flexible than an opposing machine, the very fastest CPU and memory you can get hold of will only just compensate for that loss....and only with the most talented select devs.

If wii 2's GPU turns out more than 50 percent faster than 360 or PS3, it'll only need a half decent CPU and memory just to balance the system- then it'll still be way faster than them.

Let me put it this way. If a PC has an old Core 2 Q6600 and a GTX280 and another machine has a range topping Core i5 2600k and a GTS250 which machine will be fastest for games?

The one with the slower CPU will almost certainly be quite a lot faster, more of the time. Sure it will bottleneck such a GPU, but it's GPU is so much quicker it matters less.

[Computersaysno]

The way things are these days a GPU can dominate other tasks for games too. Sure you still need a good CPU for many things, like AI. But with a modern GPU you can easily start to throw other varied games related tasks traditionally associated with the CPU onto it to be hardware accelerated. Like physics for one. Or swapping textures without the CPU even getting involved, reducing CPU overhead. The CPU has become a little bit less important to games thanks to several of these changes introduced after the console's aged DX9 technology.

Having a good modern GPU makes even more of a difference in the GPGPU age where these type of chips are capable of so much more than they were back when PS3 and 360 launched.

[fr0sty]

I'd like to see Uncharted 3 running in 3D (not SD 3D either, HD) on 360's 10mb frame buffer. Good luck with that. As for the multiplats, as you said, it's ease of development, nothing to do with raw power. Developers simply aren't willing to pay the extra cost associated with taking more time to develop an equal PS3 version, so corners are cut. Just like corners are cut when it comes to fitting content onto Xbox 360's DVDs.

Also, anyone who knows anything about computers will tell you your system is only as fast as it's slowest part. You can have an amazing GPU, but starve it of memory or bandwidth, and it's not much better than the rest.

[SkyGamer]

Frosty I think you are misinformed. The X360 has 5 times the memory bandwith than the ps3. Ala the 10 mb eDRAM as well as the 512 mb of gp ram. The Xenos gpu is 50 mhz slower than the rsx but is utilizing newer technology than the rsx, ala unified shaders, etc. The ps3 has a ridiculous floating point calculations as well as the cell be able to take some of the workload off the rsx. You can take a generic cpu and pair it with a good gpu and play new games. You can't do it the other way around. All about the video card.

[fr0sty]

are you just pulling these numbers out of your ass?

System bandwidth:
Xbox360: 22.4 GB/s
PS3: 48 GB/s

(Xbox 360 does have 256GB/S bandwidth for it's EDRAM, but that is only between the EDRAM (360's frame buffer) and the GPU itself, and has no effect on overall system bandwidth, which is less than half that of PS3's)

Also, 360's video RAM and it's system RAM all share the same 512MB's, so when the video card accesses RAM, it uses some of the bandwidth in the process. This leaves less overall bandwidth for the CPU should it need to access the RAM as well at the same time. PS3 has 2 separate 256MB memory pools, one which is the same type/bandwidth of Xbox 360's (GDDR3 700mhz), and the other (for the CPU) is a much faster 3.2GHZ (XDR RAM). When the CPU accesses it's 3.2GHZ pool, it has no effect at all on the GPU's GDDR3 pool. The RSX is also able to tap into the other pool should it be needed, however.

Also, the unified shaders in Xbox 360 are good for some things, but it's not something that is better than RSX's in any given scenario. RSX may have 24 shader pipelines, but there are 2 ALU's per pipe vs. Xenos' 1 each, so in the end you still have 48 ALU's each. RSX can read more textures per clock, Xenos can handle more geometry at once. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.

However, when combined with the extra system bandwidth PS3 has, in addition to Cell being able to lend RSX a hand with rendering, as well as RSX not being forced to fit it's frames into 10MB of EDRAM (PS3's frame buffer is as much as 256MB, as it uses it's VRAM as a frame buffer, which is why it can do HD 3D visuals while 360 has to do 3D by cramming 2 sub-HD frames into one 720p image)... and you see why people like Naughty Dog or Sucker Punch, who take the time needed to make that complex system work together the way it was meant to, are able to get visuals that are above what the 360 is capable of producing.

[JBaby343]

I'm not going to get into the whole debate on GPU speeds, bandwidth, etc. but this caught my eye, "Lets face it here, PS3 does have a few handful of exclusive games 360 would probably struggle to do, where the rest of the games it proves itself to be perfectly capable of. "

"If PS3's memory, bandwidth and CPU are so greatly superior than 360's but its GPU is only slightly worse, then how comes most of the time they are so evenly matched. Or even further, how comes most of the time 360 even wins on multi format games? Why doesn't 360 get hammered every time on every game?"

A few handful? Evenly matched? I have to respectfully disagree.
Killzone 2&3
Uncharted 1,2,3
GT5p, GT5
inFamous 1&2
Heavenly Sword
Flower
The Last Guardian
MLB The Show - Series
MGS4
Even Ratchet & Clank Series

Now I realize not all of those are out yet but we have seen enough to know what they are and to know they are coming out.

You could count at least 20 games with a little more effort that all distinguish themselves as being SIGNIFICANTLY more impressive in their genres and overall quality with things that just have not been seen, and thus stands to reason cannot be done, on other systems (with the exception of PC - Don't freak out PC fanboys). Not that the 360 doesn't have good games that do look good but the exclusives clearly put the PS3 on another level GPU argument or not. The multiplat argument is well documented and is not even worth going into.

I may not know all the tech stuff but I have eyes and it's pretty obvious which system has more capability. It's not meant to dis the 360, wii, or anything else it's just the evidence of the final product.

[Computersaysno]

Sorry fr0sty but vulcanproject and skygamer are spot on. Especially the points about how you can pair a generic CPU with a good GPU and play games better than the consoles but you cannot do it the other way around, the fastest CPU in the world can't make up much if you have an average generic GPU. The facts are that for 99pc of games the two machines are closely matched, despite 360s CPU being a lot smaller and the system sharing its main memory bus.

Also dude with the list of games supposedly 360 couldnt do? Half of them are either not out so we dont know or 360 could obviously better. No way infamous 1 or ratchet MLB, Heavenly sword or even MGS4 look better than say Gears 2. MGS4 only runs 1024 x 768 for a kickoff.
PS3 has maybe half a dozen games at best that you could make a case for. Out of what? 1000 titles this generation? Even if it were 10 titles, that still does only count for a handful to me as well.

[fr0sty]

You're missing the point... I'm not saying pairing a crap CPU with a good GPU won't enable you to play any decent games, what I'm saying is that CPU will eventually hold the GPU back when operations are taking place that make the system CPU bound. If the system is waiting on the CPU to calculate AI, physics (GPU can help there sometimes, depending on the GPU), audio, and all the other game code, the GPU can't do a damn thing until the CPU finishes it's work. Same with RAM. If the GPU needs to store textures, but the CPU is using the RAM it needed to do that (we're assuming unified memory pools like with Xbox 360), it has to wait for that RAM to become available before it can do anything. If it needs to read a texture in .05 seconds, but the RAM's speed only allows it to read it in .1 seconds, the GPU will have to wait on the memory to catch up before it can do anything.

So, that's why I said GPU doesn't instantly = raw power. If the CPU or RAM are slow enough, they WILL bottleneck the GPU and it WILL be stuck waiting for the others to finish their jobs (with all that amazing power going to waste as it sits idle). If you don't believe me, go stick a new video card in an old computer and try to run Crysis at max settings.

I did just that recently actually... It runs decent until you start raising the resolution, then it craps out. Crank the visuals to extreme, and it's a slideshow even with one of the newer nvidia Fermi cards (which came out years after crysis).

Your system is as fast as it's slowest part, always. Anyone who doesn't agree with that knows nothing about how computers work.

[ProjectVulcan]

Your system is as fastest as the slowest part is a fair point. But its not really as important to games consoles, because most of them are designed and balanced by engineers. As i said, A much faster GPU with a decent CPU would be far faster than either 360 or PS3.

A GPU matters more to games performance than a CPU. This is also a fact. Which is also why GPU is STILL the best thing to estimate performance of a console roughly, as most consoles are balanced.

As has been said the GPU matters more and it should be fairly obvious. 360's CPU is a mere 165m transistors, of which a fair amount of them are just cache. PS3's CELL CPU is massive by comparison, 234m transistors, less of it is cache, more of it is logic. That makes PS3's CPU nearly 50 percent larger than the one in 360!

When it comes to the GPUs, then 360's GPU is around 330m if you add the dies together and PS3's is approx 300m. That means 360's GPU is only 10 percent larger (although RSX's shaders run 10 percent faster). Architecture helps a lot, but the fact is, despite a far larger amount of die space and transistors dedicated to its CPU, PS3 obviously is not a corresponding amount faster that it's much larger CPU would dictate. This would be a different story however, if PS3's GPU was 50 percent larger than xenos....

This even works if you look at a PC. A Core 2 Duo is not much larger than CELL in PS3, and even more of a C2D is just dumb cache, less of it logic versus CELL. However if you pair a C2D with a better GPU like a radeon 4670, then it'll blow PS3 into the weeds strictly for games because the GPU is far more important. 360 too.

GPU performance just counts for more in most games. Thats pretty much just how it is. A good CPU can make up for a fair bit of performance disparity, but never enough if the GPU is far better, as Wii2's should really be.

[JBaby343]

@ computersaysno: You can't compare something like inFamous or Ratchet to Gears 2. What are you thinking? One is open-world and the other has a completely different art direction and style. But compare Gears 2 to Uncharted 2 or even GOW III which are 3rd person action games focused on a stylized realism and the difference in quality becomes clear. If you want to compare inFamous to a game bring up an open-world game for comparison. Likewise with Ratchet, MLB, etc. You have to keep apples to apples.

The number of games makes no difference because if there are any amount of games that show what's possible on one console then it's evidence enough to prove there is another level even if all games do not reach it. But if there are zero games to match even against a handful then it's clear as to the power of one machine versus another.

[aceitman]

even if its true they still need a controller on par at least with the ps3 and 360 to compete . hardcore fps with a contoller that doesnt work good will make the game useless.

[Aarix]

its rumored to have a HD screen on the controller. Like the Gamecube did with the GBA.

[Rageanitus]

Nah not really.... as long as there is a good selection of games the "hardcore" gamers will be there....

Same can be said about PC vs consoles .... honestly playing FPS on a console is doable but the mouse and KB are much better than a controller yet alot of ppl still play shooters on the consoles.

[Hanif-876]

How could the Wii 2 ever hold its own if its GPU is only 30% better than the PS3? It couldn't compete with the next generation consoles in terms of performance. Afterall, if the trend continues the successor of the PS3 and Xbox360 will be four times as powerful. I think the RAM will be a minimum of 4GB with at least a 6 core Processor running @ 3.8GHZ also with a 2-4GB GDDR5 card. I guess the Wii2 is taking the same route the Wii did with affordable hardware to appeal to the casual gamers.

[STONEY4]

A 6 core processor really doesn't matter. What matters is architecture and core efficiency. The 4 core i5 2500k outdoes the AMD Phenom II x6 line by FAR, for example, even at lower clock speeds, because of this. And none of this will really matter anyways if a powerful GPU is in place, since that will make up for any poorer CPU, as long as the CPU isn't weak enough to bottleneck it.

[Shikoro]

It probably will if it's got such a GPU.

The truth is, frequency alone doesn't mean it's better than some other GPU with lower frequency. There's a whole bunch of cofactors that determine this...

Also, the RSX is not at 700MHz, but at 550MHz...

[STK026]

Alfa, the NGP is using a 4 cores ARM processor, the next gen consoles (wii2 included) will likely not use such processor which are mostly being designed for portable devices. My i7-2600k has 4 cores and even if they were clocked at 1ghz, they'd still be more powerful than a quadcore ARM cpu.

[EvilC]

well then the ps4 and 720 will be 80% faster then wii2.
It will be the same as it is now as far as power you really dont need a lot of power to run a mario or zelda game.

[xX-StolenSoul-Xx]

This actually seems pretty wrong. I call bullshit on this just for the fact that the chart says Ps3 has better Gpu than 360.
I own a Ps3 and i love it. It's my console of choice but i know the Gpu is not better than the Xbox. The Cpu is where the Ps3 Shines.

I can't trust this till Nintendo says it's true.

[cannon8800]

For people that dont know about video cards and how they work. Read this to get a better idea. People seem to think that because a video card has a really fast core clock, it's going to be really fast. While this might be a little true, it's not entirely. Nowadays we have hundreds of stream processors/cuda cores for nvidia gpu's and thousands of stream processors for ATI gpu's. These little guys really help the video card out because they pretty much do all the rendering for the video card. The more the better. There's also memory bandwidth. The higher the bandwidth the faster the card. Just look at pretty much all the ati cards and you'll see that they have really high core clocks and tons of stream processors but they are many times beaten by nvidia, with slower core clocks but many times better memory bandwidth. It's all about speed. Memory clock, core clock, stream processor clock!

[Blad3star]

Bubbles

LOL who disagreed with you.

[N4g_null]

The real indicator of power is what shader model it supports. The card doesn't have to be as fast because it will only run shader model 4.1 games with no lame legacy crap.

Also if Sony and ms does leap frog nintendo then you will be paying alienware prices. Expect those systems to cost $1000 easy and it will be pc tower huge.

Since they both are using the same shader model the only difference you'll have is frame rate. If your going to pay $400 more for ms or Sony then what is the point get a pc. Yet you still won't get nintendo games.

This is not an off the shelf parts at all. Lower heat more power comPared to the old r700.
Can't wait till the full reveal yet I really hope nintendo educates gamers on what they are looking at rather than just letting things ride.

Lots of misinformation from the rival fanboys.

Yet all that matters is it will be cheaper than ms and songs next console which may be 10%-30% faster unless they want to bankrupt their faithful.

Another thing that matters sequels to all of those new RPGs the Mario, donkey kong, and a system that will let f zero scream and Mario kart to have no limits along with Ports from your fav fps or hd multiplatform. Until the other two get their act together.

At least one company understands what consoles are about.

You may want the specs but you may not beable to pay that price.

[STONEY4]

A $600 PC can run circles around the current consoles. Like, multiplats at 60fps, 1080p, 16xAA kind of circles, with tons of power remaining. And I'm pretty sure Sony and MS get their parts much cheaper. I'm expecting them to cost around $500, and have a GPU equivalent to the GTX 460.

[Computersaysno]

Something like a 4670 GPU with PCB and its memory and its packaging etc cost around $65/£55 at RETAIL, after tax.

For an OEM paying for the die and the memory being delivered direct to the factory, taking out huge secure contracts for mass production and then integrating it in a machine, the costs would be far less for such a part, maybe even less than half that end price at retail. The GPU is also often the most expensive chip inside a console, its the largest for one thing.

This is because by the time a card reaches a consumer, profit margins are made by not only the designer of the chip- AMD, but also the partner who brands and sells the board to the vendor (e.g XFX, Asus etc) then also that retailer that flogs the finished thing to end consumer!

The efficiency of chips moves along all the time, in reality if Nintendo built a machine now and aimed for a retail pricepoint similar to that of the top end 360s then they would finish up with a much more powerful machine than either PS3 or 360.

[JLeVRT]

Lol i love how Sonys consoles are always ahead of their time

[Rageanitus]

I prefered the PS2... but found the xbox 1 ahead of its time. Hell even the Gamecube had more HP than the ps2... but hey Sony has a nice selection of games

[Lykon]

hmmm , it just might be a usable console for people other than 3 year olds , girls, and people so drunk they don't care. I'd need a proper controller though , not some plastic tube with a ball bearing in that you flap around.

[hoof123]

@cComboBreaker The N64 was hardly a failure.

[snipermk0]

so, whats the big deal? My toaster has a higher clock than the 360.

[fatstarr]

Project cafe should push at least 2ghz on a tri core cpu with a dual gpu if they want to be prepared for the ps4 and 720.

[frostypants]

Clock speed means nothing unless the architecture is the same. C'mon. This is computers 101 type stuff...

[Vherostar]

Means nothing PS3 outclocks 360 yet that manages to keep up with ps3 on a lot of games I doubt you could make Mario and Zelda games look great because of what they are and thats the problem. You seen the real life mario pic? It looks FUGLY.

[Fishy Fingers]

Cool, specific information, for uncorfirmed/rumoured hardware. Right...

One other thing, not trying to open a can of worms here, they have the PS3 GPU dramtically better than the 360, which is factually, not the case, probably because they use ONLY core clock speeds to draw their results, that's not really giving a true reflection of the GPUs.

[Trroy]

I agree with Fishy. This is horrid misinformation, at its worst.

The R700 series is a family of GPUs, even (the "Radeon HD 4xxx" family, in a sense) -- you can't even reasonably speculate what the clock will be based on that info, let alone gauge performance on it without factoring in the number of cores, shader pipes, memory bandwidth, etc.

Suggesting that the Wii GPU is half the speed of the 360 GPU, based on core clock as they do in their "chart", is ridiculous. That's like saying a 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 is faster than a 2.8 GHz quad core i7.

[BK-201]

I remember reading somewhere that although the RSX doesn't have as much simple raw power as the 360 GPU it is actually much faster.

[Fishy Fingers]

Yeah BK, I've read some stupid stuff on N4G too :)

[frjoethesecond]

It's got a higher core clock speed (50mhz higher than 360) but less pixel pipelines and less memory making the 360 GPU more powerful overall. So yeah, in a way it's faster.

@fishy

It's not stupid for the above reason.

[Active Reload]

Oops, I read your comment wrong.

[Fishy Fingers]

No I suppose it's not stupid if you for go the complete data and pick and choose specific bits of it that fit your arguement, regardless how irrelevent that maybe.

[frjoethesecond]

He wasn't arguing though. He said he heard it somewhere and was probably looking for validation.

[Zeevious]

The simplest explanation is ignore the chart and watch the clock.

Not clock speed but time. It's been 4-5 years since the last console releases and those where planned and designed 2 years before that.

Compare that to the advances in storage, memory and processors in that time and the Wii'ii should in fact be at least twice as powerful as our 360's or PS3's.

For an instant real-world example...compare the PSP to the NGP.

That's the best current mark of how much more powerful a successor to a series should be.

The Wii'ii is going to be more powerful that current systems, now 4-5 years old. If it wasn't, what would be the point?

With 70 million current Wii owners, I think both of the other console makers may find they've been fighting amongst themselves and aiming at the wrong targets.

Was Nintendo's real strategy : Divide & Conquer ?

From this new model, they suddenly have a system with real HD graphics, and likely every spec will at least meet, and exceed any of their competitors.

I welcome the competition. It will see prices on the PS3 & 360 drop and encourage even better development and more power in our next generation of consoles...and all the great games we have now because of it.

[Shaman]

PS3 RSX chip is clocked at 500mhz,same as Xenos dunno whats with this comparison.Its wrong.

[BrianG]

550mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Could be wrong, as I've found some other links that say it is only 500mhz now.

But if thats the case someone needs to update that page haha

EDIT: Below. Sorry but that link is really weak, just a forum post saying it's clocked at 500mhz?

[Shaman]

No,it was downclocked from 550mhz to 500mhz.Its confirmed on b3d long ago...

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[ProjectVulcan]

Dear me. Abysmal speculation. There is plenty of talk around the Radeon R700 series though, so i'll roughly estimate GPU performance for ya'll, and my comparison will be Xenos in Xbox 360.

Radeon 4670 = approx 75 percent faster
Radeon 4830 = approx 125 percent faster
Radeon 4890 = approx 250 percent faster

Bear in mind these are only rough estimates and based on fixed reference memory speeds and the overheads of a PC OS. In a stripped down console they would be able to get much, much closer to theoretical maximum performance, so you could add another 50 percent on top of each of those figures. Tossing even a 4670 512mb into a console with a decent CPU would result in a machine considerably quicker than PS3 and 360.

[Computersaysno]

A 4670 is definitely a lot faster than the consoles. Its a very low end gaming card now. This test is done with an old Core 2 duo CPU (dual core) @ 3ghz.

http://www.bit-tech.net/har...

Here it has no problems doing a 50FPS average in COD4 @ 1280 x 1024, maximal settings, max 4 x AA. Pretty similar performance to the consoles doing only half that resolution and AA (1024 x 600 x 2x AA)

[Wizziokid]

for a next gen console it should be better than any thing this gen. lets hope nintendo don't repeat the wii.

it was a popular console granted but for me it just didn't offer anything

[fluffydelusions]

And any modern PC will still beat Wii2 easily yet PC still gets ports from PS3/360. So if anything, all systems will now get the same multiplats from 3rd party developers and exclusives will decide who wins. That and the online service. Nintendo needs to sort that out and get it at least on par with PSN/Live. BTW, this is just a rumor so it may not even be true.

[frjoethesecond]

No way man. The OS overheads and optimisation compromises for competing hardware will always limit pc gaming compared to similar hardware in a specialised console.

Show me the pc that can play Crysis 2 with 512meg of ram between system memory and a Geforce 7900.

You cant. You need 3 or 4 times the resources to match PS3 level graphics. I don't see that much overhead being available next gen.

[BlackKnight]

Not with 512RAM, but you could run Crysis 2 on PC on the lowest setting "console" and the 7900GTX can pull it off with 30FPS+.

[ploogle]

I guess people disregarded the "Rumor" category. All we have to go on right now is speculation. My article simply says that, given current information, this is what it's looking like.

And I cite my sources, so feel free to draw your own conclusions from it. I looked at the raw clock speed in MHz of each system's GPU to determine my result. I did the best I could with what we have. If anyone would like to show me some more realistic numbers rather than simply complaining about the work I did, go right ahead.

[Fishy Fingers]

Like Trroy I and said above, core clock speeds dont tell you squat on their own, it doesnt help when you use such a sensationalist headline.

Also, your 'work'? A few figures slapped on bar graph wouldnt of been much effort.

[Zeevious]

I have to agree with Fishy.

You actually used just processor speed to determine performance?

You do realize just reading a speculative Destructoid article doesn't make it your own 'work' -- and even processor manufacturers don't measure processor speed as effective power...so why should you?

It's not an accurate representation of anything without other performance specifications considered -- System bus, Memory speed and quantity come to mind.

For even an attempt at a valid comparison, they should have also come to yours.

[tdrules]

You can have all the hardware you want but if software engineers can't grasp it for two years you're going to suffer.
remind you of anything?

[MysticStrummer]

Luckily a console generation lasts longer than two years, so the superior hardware can prove it's worth. Remind you of anything?

[SuperKing]

Touché. lol

[N4g_null]

Problem with that tdrules is that we have our shader model 4.1 engines ready. Even 3.0 is going to look good on the new wii. This is not the cell nintendo is not that retarded they want every one to shine next gen on their box.

[AutoCad]

Wii 2 going to still put out cartoon looking games....

[ElementX]

So? I love my PS3 and 360, but I wouldn't mind high def Mario, Zelda, and whatnot... What's your point? Besides, why do games have to look real? What about fantasy genres? Not every game has to be a FPS realistic shooter to be enjoyable. LittleBigPlanet games are cartoony, but they're fun as hell. What about Ratchet and Clank? They're toons! Street Fighter IV, cartoony, ModNation, a toon game... some of the best games are "cartoon looking"

[Shackdaddy836]

Does it matter? As long as they are fun....

[Jumper09]

the ps3 gpu is not better than the xbox360 lol
Fail facts.

[fluffydelusions]

You're correct, but the SPU's assist greatly in the graphical department.

[Eidolon]

Yeah but the article is talking about GPU's.

[frjoethesecond]

You are correct. You shouldn't be getting disagrees since you didn't even mention spu's in your post.

[joeorc]

the problem is it's not nearly so simple:

the xbox360's GPU even though has unified shader's, which is fantastic, the problem is just like any GPU bench test's cannot really reach the upper limit of what the GPU can do, this is the same as with the PS3, UNLIKE THE XBOX360 THE ps3'S CELL IS a Hybrid core CPU/GPU ..anyone who does not think that is true has not really worked with the Cell. it is infact a Hybrid CPU/GPU the Cell by itself can do 36.4+ billion/shader ops/sec by itself. but it's not about by itself it works with in conjunction with the RSX.

the PS3

GPU render capability is akin to SLI more than anything.

the RSX may not be able to push as much as the unified shaders per pipeline, but it does not have too, the Cell can do physic's, cloth..etc, HDR,for the Rsx an let the RSX do what it does best an that's DRAW.

the development for the PS3 is not that it's hard, it's that it takes more work in further time in development due to having the SPE's ontop of the CPU the fact that it requires 2 compiler's there is one made for the SPE's there is 6 free for game development that is open to use. that is one of the big points each of those SPE's have on die memory there is no cache to worry about, but on the same token it is storage memory!

that's 6 programmable processing cores!

that does not include the PPE an the RSX that's just the SPE's!

[cochise313]

All this news on a new console, and we have yet to hear an official word from Nintendo. If it is true, I wonder when it will release.

[jjank11]

Clock speed alone can't tell you squat.

need much more info about the GPU and even the CPU to make comparisons and then Nintendo has a horrible online service so in the end it almost wouldn't matter if it is cumbersome to play online matches.

[Firestorm]

eh...... ps3 GPU is 500hmz...... it was originally going to be 550mhz but got a little downgrade before release. Plus most Mhz does not always equal most power when the chips are different.

[joeorc]

IT IS STILL 550 MHZ, that was a rumor over at beyond 3D

IN 2006 WHEN THE PS3 was already out :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

the slide still stated by Nvidia 550 Mhz

im going to take the company that made the GPU over a Rumor on the internet.

so even though the talk of the RSX was downclocked does not really mean much anyway.

example:

An anyway the PSP's CPU an GPU was clocked down to 222 MHZ but was able to go to 333 MHZ per MIPS core!

[Kon]

I don't think the WII 2 will need this kind of power, seeing that will only have Mario and Zelda.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Yes, I'm sure the Wii 2 will "only" have iterations of the two greatest franchises in gaming history released for it.

[hot111]

lol
PS3 RSX is not at 700Mhz

This comparison could be valid for first Xbox.Also clock speed means little when you compare different architectures.

Destructoid is run by absolute morons.

[sam2236]

...but it won't have HDMI support.

[sam2236]

Funny how I'm getting disagrees when Nintendo is the only company this gen with a non-HD console. Which was a very stupid move on their part seems that nearly everyone nowadays has a HD TV.

[BrianG]

Your probably getting disagree's because your saying the Wii 2 wont have HDMI support. It is clear from other rumors (haha, sounds funny), that the Wii 2 will be HD. So it would have to support HDMI.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

No, you're getting disagrees because it's a ridiculous statement. That is all.

[Lamarthedancer]

I think Nintendo should follow through with this different approuch. They've dominated the casual market and I think they have gotten as much as they can from it.

Now that they have the casual audiences trust at least when they announce this hardcore console, the casual audience will buy it because they'll just think something along the lines of "Well the Wii was amazing Nintendo are great" and they'll buy it since it's Nintendo

[whydoyouask]

Actually, the fear is that the casual market WON'T buy it. This actually happened in the early 80's before the the market collapsed. Atari and Colecovision would release a new console but it wouldn't sell because the average person thought that buying something new in just a short period of time was a waste of money.

Of course, the entire culture has changed since then, but now we have the whole thing with the economy and people holding back on buying expensive tech, which is probably a big reason why the Wii was a massive hit in the first place since it was the cheapest out of the 3.

Of course, i could be wrong.

[Eidolon]

Clock speed does not mean performance, that graph looks like it would be based on misguided clock ratings of all the systems with disregard to every other aspect of a processor that drives its performance, not even one mention.

[iNMyFiN4LH0uR]

for Nintendo to survive in the next gen, they can't follow the Wii model, they have two options: bring something more innovative than their motion controls/kinect/move or create a next gen console that will compete with the PS4 and 720 directly which they couldn't do with the Wii, now that i think about it next gen is gonna be quite something, the evolution of online play, features, social networking, motion controls and touch screen interfaces, interactive media, 3D and even more new features, exciting indeed.

[BeaArthur]

I don't see that it matters when all you release is shovelware. I would take the PS1 lineup over what the Wii has offered thus far.

[Counter Strike]

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[ismejks]

WT HH within 25 min reached 300 degree shows N4G are not peace at all

[Whackedorange]

The Wii was a suprising hit, nothing the xbots or sdf could have forseen and the major reason why so many developers have not brought their games to the Wii is because the hardware in it is soo last gen but if Wii2 turns out to be as powerfull as some gossip say that will change and the developers will embrace it and with the backing of the casual market the big N will most likely take back the throne that have been owned by Sony for over a decade.

And if it gets as powerfull as the gossip tell us it will be just a matter of time before both Sony and Microsoft will speed up their plans for a next console cause none of them want to sit still and watch as Nintendo take the whole cake.

[coryok]

huh? they didnt get the mhz right on the graph lol, not to mention that gpu doesnt mean power?

[ipe]

add to this cpu, hdd, maybe 1gb ram, MB what not,dvd or BR u re looking at 400/450$ wii2 price at least. This may be rough, but N always makes 50-100$ profit on consoles.

Not a price for mass market and ey ll be in a bigger problems if ey aim for pure core market against strong xbox and ps.

It realy bugs me where s N heading. E3 cant come soon.

[neoandrew]

That just rumors, need to wait what Nintendo will really show, 80% more powerful than xbox, so ~60-70% more power than ps3 ? No body can really confirm this, my advice - just wait.

[Simco876]

The thing is.....even if this is true.

Swap this graph with Wii2 in green, Xbox in yellow, PS3 in orange and you have the next gen console. (with different values of course)

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

I like the (rumored) power of the Wii 2, however I won't be making the leap unless they actually offer some good games, get support of multiplat devs, have a good online service and a good controller (not motion controls).

Unless they get that, I will be waiting for the new Xbox or Playstation for my next console.

[BrianG]

Same here.

Also an 80% leap over competition isn't that much when you consider the PS2 was roughly 10 times more powerful than the PS1 and the PS3 is roughly 10 times more powerful than the PS2.

I would also expect the next Xbox to be many times more powerful than the current. Same with the PS4.

[Brasi82]

How much more realistic can graphics really get? You can only push how things look so far before you reach the limit.

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

Actual "graphics" won't improve that much next gen. What will improve is lighting, physics, animations, gameplay capabilities, number of players/events happening at one time etc.

Things like L.A Noires facial animations and BF3's destruction will (hopefully) improve and become commonplace next-gen alongside things like 60fps, and 1080p standard.

[Droid Control]

The 360 is 6 years old. Anew console by Nintendo BETTER have more power.

[Trroy]

Honestly, the smartest thing for Nintendo to do, right now, is grab onto what the 3rd parties are cooking up for the 360 and PS3, make it run just a little better, and subsequently ride out the next gen's outrageous dev costs.

This is the same strategy as the Wii... only smarter, due to placement relative to the competition. The "Wii 2" can stand as the finest console of *this* gen, and starve out the competition of 3rd party support next gen (which is not just around the corner for Sony and MS), if they play their cards right.

Unlike the Wii, this one would have a 2-year backlog of hardcore titles, and a whole swath of game engines running on it already, with teams well versed in the limitations of the current gen, by the time the next gen starts.

Last time around, the 360 forced all the top tier teams to move to the HD era before the Wii was even ready, and the 3rd party scrubs were relegated to doing Wii work instead.

[hoops]

Terrible speculation.MHZ speeds mean squat. There is so much more to determine the systems overall power/performance and speed.

Hopefully the Wii2 uses a DX11 capable GPU with 1gig of UNIFIED memory. If this happens and Nintendo releases such a console in 2011, early 2012, you will see MS and Sony release their next systems soon after regardless what they say.

"Rushing hardware out the door is always stupid. Look at the early 360, and the billion-dollar replacement program"

And even with that broken hardware and $$$ spent to fix it, MS put themselves in 2nd place over all ahead of Sony... something NO ONE thought would happen.
It paid off for MS to rush the Xbox360 out. MS entire plan all along was to take market-share from Sony...and they did. That 1 year lead paid off for them...
Moreover you are assuming Nintendo will have hardware problems like the Xbox360 o even what the PS2 experienced.
You don't know this.
And based on what MS and Sony are saying, if the Wii 2 comes out this year, it gives Nintendo at least 2.5 years before we see a Xbox next and PS4.....Unless Sony and MS feel the heat from this Wii 2.

[Trroy]

" If this happens and Nintendo releases such a console in 2011, early 2012, you will see MS and Sony release their next systems soon after regardless what they say."

No. It'd be smarter of Sony and MS to pull the same stunt on Nintendo, halfway through the Wii 2's lifetime. Rushing hardware out the door is always stupid. Look at the early 360, and the billion-dollar replacement program. Match that up against a console that's been out a year already (Wii 2 vs "720"), rather than beating them to the punch by a year (360 vs Wii), and you'd get some ugly results.

[Brasi82]

How do you know that the Wii2 has been rushed? I'm sorry but Nintendo's consoles have always been reliable. Same cannot be said for Sony or Microsoft.

[Trroy]

@Brasi82:

"How do you know that the Wii2 has been rushed? I'm sorry but Nintendo's consoles have always been reliable. Same cannot be said for Sony or Microsoft."

I'm talking about the next Sony or MS console, when I say "rushed"... You should read my comment again, and the quote I was referring to.

I'm referring to the fact that the 360 was rushed, and one of the major reasons it did well is because it beat the other consoles to the draw by a full year (i.e. it was rushed for a good reason). In contrast, the Wii 2 is unlikely to be rushed hardware, and it will definitely be the first one of the "next gen" consoles out (if you can call it that). hoops' comment about how Sony and MS will rush their consoles to meet the Wii 2 head on is not founded on good information, IMO. They won't do any such thing -- they aren't that ignorant of what's going on.

MS, for example, certainly wanted to be "first".. but now that's not gonna happen. They aren't going to let Nintendo rewrite their battle plan for them, just because they didn't get to be first. They've lost that battle. They'll move on, rather than being stupid about it... well, I hope. Sony will definitely not be phased at all, however.

[Eu]

What MS got was a legion of people who will never EVER buy a MS designed console (again or not). The lead it got by launching first died way faster than it ever though it would (and if it wasnt the sales of Kinect on the US, it would problably would be even smaller).

[herukuti]

im not worried that i wont be able to play the games that i like that have a mature theme because nintendo never excluded mature titles on any of their systems. so even if the speculation is true i can say that i wont miss any titles for the exception of exclusives. i just hope nintendo goes back to its old staunch ways and doesnt try to make playing video games on their new systems something of a steep learning curve.

[Eu]

"because nintendo never excluded mature titles on any of their systems"...go back to the 90's and see some of the games that were FORBIDDEN to be launched on their systems because it either were too adult to be there of Nintendo didnt want to be associated with such titles....

[Xander756]

But how much more powerful with the PS4 and Xbox 720 be?

[Tennessee88]

This is actually a really sad comparison in terms of specs. It will be able to take advantage of the end of current generation tech but considering the fact that PC games are already beginning to pull away from the current crop of consoles the Wii 2 will look dated rather quickly. The second we start getting a taste of the next offering from Microsoft and Sony people will quickly see how inferior the Wii is from a technological standpoint.

That being said the key is always with the games, and quite frankly Wii just didn't have them compared to the other platforms. We will be right back at where we are now in no time. If the Wii 2 cannot produce the tech to support Grand Theft Auto VI, Elder Scrolls VI, Fallout IV, next-Gen Gears of War, Battlefield 4, COD 4, etc, then why in the world would hardcore gamers even glance at the console. Developers had proven that they are not going to port their titles to a lesser platform with an unwieldy control scheme.

I expect Wii 2 to have everything offered by today's consoles, I do not expect it to offer even half of what will come from PS3, NextBox, or next gen PC games. But regardless most of the people on this site are not Nintendo's target audience anymore.

[N4Gsukballs]

ha its a next gen system it damn well better be more powerful than a 6 year old system. Im Mainly a PC/Ps3 gamer, but i want to love this system so much, the only reason i never got a wii was because it was so outdated, no HDD no HD Gimmicky controls, if they can make a real controller, plus have the option for motion like the ps3 then i will get one the day it comes out. i cant wait to see zelda & mario in HD!!!

[Codeman420]

not hard considering the 360 was the first next gen console on the market. Nintendo just wanted to put something out there that was consumer friendly and they succeeded. now they can put something a little more powerful out there.

[KaiokenKid]

The 360/ps3 tech is like 6 yeats old. 80 percent more is kinda dissapointing

[ksoto]

Only a moron will think that the next xbox and ps3 wont be more powerfull then the wii 2 smh We all know at least when it comes to Sony they always come with the most powerfull hardware whether its handheld or console. To tell you the truth nintendo fans will be lucky if the games look good as the upcoming NGP.

[Biasmania]

This is total rubbish, gamers are forgetting who we are dealing with here.... Hey I love Mario and Zelda as much as the next guy, but all this tech spec rumor, and it is more powerful than, oh it's a hardcore blah blah... THIS IS NINTENDO, they will put the bare minimum they can stick in there. Then they throw something in that makes everyone say "Oh thats a gimmick.." And it captivates and changes the industry.I mean their track record speaks for itself.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the machine is as powerful as the current 360/PS3 consoles.

[TheDudeLasse]

This article is utter fail.

[esemce]

Nintendo banging out old hardware for maximum profit..........as always the bitches.

[Brasi82]

Everyone is saying, "just wait until the next X-Box or the next Play Station." Sorry to disappoint you guys but that will not be any time soon. My estimate is around 2016. It doesn't make sense for Microsoft or Sony to release Kinect/Move and then close shop on the system a year or two after. The reason Nintendo can make a new console right now is because they already have a huge market share and do not lose money in the selling of there consoles, unlike the PS3 and X-Box 360 which cost more than they were selling for. Also I'm looking forward to having to buy another $400 console. Nintendo's new console will not launch with a price tag higher of $300. So in the last 6 years I've spent $270 on my Wii while I spent $550 on my PS3. That is for both basic controller and motion controller. I for one can't wait for some HD Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. Also for those who say, "there games will still be cartoony and unrealistic" I laugh at your ignorance, video games are suppose to be a way to escape the real world and dive deep into a fantasy world. You think Uncharted/Halo/Fable/Killzone are realistic games? If so then you are seriously shut off from what really goes on in the real world.

[soren]

oh boy

[xtremegamerage]

2016, i don't think so.

PS3 nov 2006.

It's now 2011.

New consoles will come 2013 xmas.

[tigertron]

Why don't we just sit and wait for Nintendo to actually announce this thing first? thats if they're even going to. Then we can see its specs and compare it to previous consoles etc. Time will tell whether or not this rumoured Nintendo console will be a true next-gen console or not.

[Neko_Mega]

Being a next gen system it isn't hard for it to be "More Powerful Then 360". But it doesn't mean games are going to look good to.

Until Nintendo comes out and says something about the Wii 2, this is all made up.

[Fallouts]

i thought the 360 had a stronger gpu than the ps3????

[sp1deynut]

...it's a FAIL-O-RAMA. :o

[SkyCrawler]

i hope loading times dissapear next gen or so little or well hidden that we barely notice it

[ilkercruiser]

Don't expect a console with high horsepower from Nintendo. Nintendo will make medicore powered system for next gen.

[bviperz]

I'll take the wait and see approach. All that power to play Wii Play HD? No thanks.

[SmilesandCries]

I have strong doubts about that chart lol

[Haseo106]

Only idiots believe this!

[Xtremist]

It depends of what GPU model they will pick from the R700 series.
For example, if they use a HD4850 equivalent, then it will be 4 times more powerful than x360/ps3 GPUs in terms of raw power (or 4.5 times more powerful if you take into account the more advanced architecture).
Anyway, its Nintendo we are talking here.
I won't believe anything related to powerful hardware unless i see some official information.

[mateo124]

That chart is BS the PS3 has a sh*t GPU compared to the Xbox. That alone tells me this is fake

[NexGen76]

Okay what about games because that's what killed the Wii 1 ?Not power.....

[Soplox]

But weren't the rumors saying the Wii 2 will have an AMD Trinity?

[lizard81288]

We have this & other game sites saying it is more powerful than the ps3.

Only time will tell.

[Relientk77]

I dont believe this article or the chart

[Thecraft1989]

nearly 4 year old tech 5 when this is supposed to be released good old nintendo.

Who ever make graph is retard and knows nothing about graphic cards.

[airforcex]

PS3 550 MHz
360 500 MHz

Most experts agree that Xenon is more advanced than RSX. PS3 has a better CPU (not GPU). Any GPU 80% better than Xenon is at least 81% better than RSX.

[V0LT]

I don't care what it is. It is still Nintendo. With that said just expect them to rely heavily on 1st party titles with the occasional 3rd party hits as always

[Bob570]

There's a hell of a lot more to the power of a GPU than the clock speeds.

[mcstorm]

This is more or less what I expect from the next Nintendo console. Nintendo took a big gamble when they made the n64 and sales wise the ps1 killed it. Then then tried it again with the gamecube but did not pay off so Nintendo knew they needed to change the way the made consoles as it was losing to much money and if it was not for the gameboy and gba Nintendo would of ended up being out of the game too. This is why we have seen both the ds and wii. Nintendo have seen that you don't need a console with more power then the other consoles to make money and be the number 1 seller. Look at the 3ds ok over priced but I can see them dropping the price by Christmas and it bring a big seller just like the ds. But one thing Nintendo do better than Sony imo is use all there hard ware to full advantage when they make a game. Look at games like wii sports Mario galaxy, Mario kart ect they all work very well on the wii remote and use them to the max they can be used. Some Sony and ms are not doing at the moment with there consoles.

But what ever they bring out next I expect them to carry on the same way they have with the wii as they know they can't rake ms and Sony on in the market share they both hold but they can keep the market they have got now and try to expand into ms and Sonya market with out hurting them selfs too just like Sony and ms are trying to get into nintendos market with move and kinect.

[ncstatefan953]

Wait, so a supposed next-gen system will be more powerful than a current system? Color me surprised.

[jay2]

Nintendo, you've got me back on bored!

[iNFAMOUZ1]

yall call it bullshit because you dont wanna believe what's to be believed, close minded fools

[Muffins1223]

and he ps4 and xbox720's gpu is 110 percent more powerfull than wii 2

[NitrousX]

GPU power is'nt everything you to take into consideration RAM and CPU clock speed. If all those things are not taken into consideration everything will be bottlenecked.

I would say wait until E3 for any announcements from nintendo

[V0LT]

RAM is huge.

[therapist]

new wii 2011, new ps4 and xbox720 2011-2012, no later than 2012, 720p SUCKS!!

We want 1080p @60 fps with 8x anti aliasing in every, EVERY game!!!

[Peaceful_Jelly]

you don't determine the power of a GPU based on its clock speed. The single most important thing that defines the power of a GPU are its pipelines.

The X360 GPU has 48 unified pipelines at 500mhz = 24000
The PS3 GPU has 16 unified pipelines at 700mhz = 11200

The X360 GPU is not only twice as powerful in raw power but it has its own memory exclusively for anti-aliasing too which make the GPU even more powerful. The funny thing is that even the weakest GPU from Nvidia (the Geforce 310m for laptops http://www.notebookcheck.ne... is twice more powerful than the PS3 GPU. In fact, even an Intel HD integrated card is more powerful than the PS3 GPU and you know what that means right?

There is no way in hell that Nintendo could pull off what they did with the Wii again were they made the console barely more powerful than the original Xbox. The Wii 2 will be at least 4 times more powerful than the PS3/X360 by default simply because there is no other way. There is no GPU weaker than a G310m in the market right now... Are you getting the point?

[joeorc]

not only are you wrong your not even in the same ballpark

for one the RSX has:

24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes

an two

when ever someone mentions the render capabilities of each system when it comes to the xbox360 an the PS3 the people that like to tout the xbox360's GPU to be so much better than the RSX fails to point out that unlike the XBOX360 the PS3 has another GPU inside it an that the Cell is a Hybrid CPU/GPU type of processor.

This is what I kind of point out that just takeing the GPU to GPU is moot because it's no where near that the XBOX360 has the better GPU render capability as the PS3 nor is it that the PS3's render capability so much dominates the Xbox360 also.

they both upto par with the PS3 having a slight edge..notice i stated a slight edge of about 4 billion shader ops/sec give or take a few more. that is it that's not much.

[arjman]

Core clock has literally nothing to do with it. Have you seen the core clock on a GTX 580, 780mhz and it will still MURDER the Wii 2. Especially if the Wii 2 is rocking an ATI 4*** series architecture.

[InTheZoneAC]

I don't doubt this article, but whenever the specs for PS4 come out it'll be Wii vs PS3 all over again, it'll be a huge difference.

[yewles1]

So many things wrong with chart, but I'll just pick one.

The RSX GPU is 500MHz (not 700MHz or even 550MHz), and is weaker than the Xenos GPU.

[joeorc]

thay still over @ Nvidia had it listed as 550 MHZ only the rumor over at beyond 3d has it as it was down clocked.

I think im going to take Nvidia's word on it over internet rumor unless someone can show proof from Nvidia or Sony clocking down the GPU! an like i stated before as an example the PSP's both MIPS CORE'S were down clocked to offset battery consumption but the core clock freq from all three MIPS cores in the PSP are 333 Mhz

[Rageanitus]

have we not learned since the end of the Intel P3 era..... clock speed is a determining factor of performance anymore. Ive seen many gpus and cpus clocked much lower now and perform better than chips with higher clock speed.

[ATiElite]

Clock speed and architecture determine power.

1. The chip in the Wii is an APU (Cpu w/ GPU mixed together on the same die.

2. The CPU part is really fast and efficient as any dual core CPU @ 2.7 ghz can game with ease.

3. The GPU on that die is an HD 6790 which currently smokes the consoles BUT since it's not a stand alone GPU it has less power. PLUS it will be gimped anyway to stay within watt and thermal barriers.

4. So at the end of the day the Wii 2 is most likely 50% better than a 360. Which would allow for 1080p gaming w/ some AA in DX11 mode.

Smart move by Nintendo. Buy one chip (APU = CPU + GPU) and some cheap Ram, BAM! you got yourself a 1080p DX11 gaming console for $350 Day 1.

[TBONEJF]

HOw can you guys says the Wii 2 have more 80% power than the 360 or PS3? WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL PROOF OF WHAT KIND OF POWER THE WII 2 HAVE IN STORE FOR US THIS YEAR. I say wait TILL E3 instead of telling what's inside of the system cause non of it isn't ACCURATE ENOUGH TO TELL US IT'S POWERFUL. CAUSE NO ONE KNOWS.

[mikejarroy]

The source of this article is not reliable, sinse the GPU clock for the PS3 is not 700 Mhz, in fact is 550 Mhz Core. The memory was 700 Mhz and then downgraded to 650 Mhz and the GPU clock to 550 Mhz Core to 500 Mhz.

http://gizmodo.com/#!197137...

[joeorc]

look there is no source!

http://www.theinquirer.net/...

while Nvidia the same year 2006 on their slide show still had the PS3's GPU clocked @ 550 MHZ

i know where they @ theinquirer.net got their source an it was over @ beyond 3d.

an once again it was a rumor it was downclocked!

[NumOnePS3FanBoy]

NINTENDO MAKE SOME NEW IP'S FOR ONCE

[remanutd55]

yes!!!!!! thats what im expecting !!!! i will be buying the wii 2 or whatever nintendo end up calling it but only if they make new IPs and this is coming from a long time nintendo fan , they really disappointed me the casual way they took this generation but that didnt stop me from buying my wii and ZeldaTP but next time not even Zelda will make me buy a casual fest

[blackbirdi]

i thinkthe most important think is how many shaders pipelines it has and how much memory and which features are included

[strifeblade]

The new Wii will be more powerful than the 360 and ps3 for sure, especially after reading some of convincing arguments from the comments at the source of the article.

Its only logical it would follow suit, however how much more powerful i dont know could be like the wii when it was more powerful than xbox/ps2/gamecube. -- I believe this is the scenario we are looking at.

[artdafoo]

Maybe now they can put arms on their stupid characters, I don't care if Wii 2 is powerful enough to beat the worlds greatest chess players. Nintendo only caters to kids under 10, soccer moms, grandparents, the girlfriends or wives of guys who own 360,s and PS3s. So it will be plagued by shovel ware.

[johnsonbat]

How many 7 year olds are gonna care about clock speed?

[bobrea]

Clock speeds aren't everything...

[CaulkSlap]

What idiot wrote this misleading article? Clock speed is about the last thing you look at in modern GPUs. Unless you're comparing 2 cards with the same chipset architechture it's quite meaningless.

[gcolley]

good old clock speed

[airforcex]

I currently have GPUs that dance in circles around Wii 2.

[Agent_hitman]

I believe that you can't tell that if GPU is powerful if it has a higher clock speed.

A factors to consider if the GPU is powerful is:

1. if it has unified shader architerture

2. If it has at 48 shader pipelines, Vertex shader Pipeline, Scheduled shader pipeline

3. If it has at least 1GB of memory, You wouldn't be able to utilize the GPU if you lack of memory.

4. if it has MLAA or AA (Anti-aliasing technology)

[tehnoob3]

According to moore s law the ps3 CPU should be able to have 4 cores with 8 spe's each for a total of 32 or 28 if u count a backup spe for each core. Most likely running @ 4 Ghz+

[mamotte]

I just hope all that power will not mean that all the "good games" will use that power to show us just war games on brown and grayscale, like the power and HD of this gen is doing.

I love the Wii for it's graphics, it looked like the creators of wii exclusive games had to think to make some design with colors to use the low power of the console, and gave us Muramasa, NMH, Madworld (eemm... well... not colorful but still original), Fragile, Zack & Wiki, M. Galaxy, DKC Returns, Trauma Team... instead of take some generic soldier, add more polygons to him, put a story, and sell that like a new game every year.

[bneals]

So let me get this straight. Assuming the story is even correct, I am supposed to be impressed that the Wii2 will be 80% more powerful than a 7 year old console (the 360 was launched in 2005 and the Wii2 isn't coming out until 2012)? Considering a seven year gap, shouldn't the Wii2 be 200-300% more powerful than the 360 and PS3? That is what I am expecting from the Nextbox and PS4. An 80% increase in performance over my 360 won't get me to run to the store to get a NextBox.

[dragonelite]

Lulz for a website called Geek.mi they should have know that the only comparison can be made with the 360 because both will have unified shader pipeline even then its not fair.

For the ps3 and 360 comparison you know because the fanboys will do it multiply the 360 gpu core frequency with 2 because the ps3 version is based of old tech fixed function shader pipeline.

Now all i hope microsoft does is either go with a seperate gpu memory pool or a bigger Edram chip that can support deffered rendering at 1080p.

[Platinum_k]

BIG DEAL

...Sony Playstation 4 will have an 80% faster Clock-speed than Nintendo Wii 2!

Ironic

[matey]

it will be the same because u wouldnt get better graphics on something that was 80% more clock speed than 900mhz GPU dream on developers will take 3/5 years maxing out Wii2,I heard Wii2 will have expandable graphics

[jadnice]

Just in case you clearly have forgotten... you do know the PS4 is not coming for another 4 yrs right.... which means(since N continues their 4 year cycle of gaming systems) N will have another system out by then.

[Platinum_k]

yeah well... i guess its a tie...

PS4 will be AS powerful as Wii3(?)...

[rataranian]

Doesn't really matter if it's powerful enough to launch nuclear strikes. If it's made by Nintendo then all its going to have on it is Mario brothers. You really think Dragon Age 3 and whatever else comes out is going to be on Wii2? Come on. This thing will end up just like all the rest of their past junk. Collecting dust.

[matey]

Wii2 releasing with GTA5 in DX11 using SM 4.1 see ya haters the best looking 3rd party games will go straight to Wii2 and i bet u alot of spin offs 4 ps3/360 r on the way 1st one being RE project Racoon city spin off,Revelations is the sequel to RE5 sorry even 3DS gets bigger games than 360/PS3

[rataranian]

Come on. You're falling for it again? Yeah at first they had COD3, RE4. Then what? What happened to MW2? RE5? BLACK OPS? BFBC? What about God of War? Forza? ..The list goes on and on. All you're going to get it motion control gimmick titles. Same as the first, just hd. By the time this thing comes out we'll be looking into PS4 and the next XBOX. "3DS gets bigger games than 360/PS3" ...This right here tells me everything I need to know about u dude. lol

[jadnice]

I have a funny feeling that during N press conference... they will announce that a major shooter will be coming to the WiiHD with exclusive content... Nintendo did not invest big time in the WiiHD just for HD Mario and metroid.

They will be going big time after the AAA titles from third parties... Plus with the architecture of the WiiHD being similar to 360 (just more powerful) it will be easy for developers to enhance and port AAA titles to the it.

[matey]

The system has tons of games in development i cant wait to see Mario Kart CGI and Zelda TP2 u can only hope but GTA5 on release on a much more powerful console that does proper HD not 720p or less upscaled will sell consoles by the 10 million lets see what E3 11 brings oh official announcement next week.

[matey]

Wii2 900mhz
PS3 550mhz
360 500mhz
720 8500mhz
PS4 900mhz

Thats my guess anyway and CPU
Wii2 Quadcore 1.6 ghz

[Agent_hitman]

Say what? x720 = 8500mhz? or 850mz?

[hairy]

I really doubt nintendo will release a Wii2 anytime soon, but if they do, I would imagine it would just be an hd version of wii, maybe with glasses free 3d. there isn't a big enough leap in technology for any of the 3 to release something right now,

[Shnazzyone]

I dunno, that's alot of speculation. I imagine it will be at least double ps3. These graphs are too low.

[macky301]

So how much? ,.. I am really kinda scared for Nintendo right now,.. seeing how much money they are making on cheep, overpriced, ancient technology with Wii and DS,.. (even 3ds - call me an asshole,.. but that is not impressive for a mobile device)

[Shnazzyone]

I've been playin with mine the last week, it's a pretty nice portable device actually.

[macky301]

I imagine Nintendo is finally joining current gen 5-6 years in,... This shit will fail like a mofo,.. So you are going to buy a system and wait a few years for nintendo games,.. (well at least Nintendo supporters will be able to enjoy third party current gen games,..I kinda fear it is not predominantly hardcore market for a wii) )

[palaeomerus]

Wii 2's GPU has 80% faster clock rate than the 500Mhz six+ year old ATI R500-esque GPU in the 360! Oh wowzers!

In other news man bites dog, and this just in: water is wet!

It's been six years people.

A new GPU clocked at around 900 MHz being cheap enough for use in a new console is nothing exotic or unbelievable.

Frankly neither is a fairly low cost,die shrunk,'profitable from the start' console that is substantially more powerful than a 360 or PS3. Ps3 is almost five years old. 360 is almost six years old. Most of the tech involved is six to seven years old now. That is NOT a particularly hard goal to supersede with a new product. Neither PS3 or 360 ever represented some maximum threshold of graphics power that could not be exceeded without a massive advance in technology. They were less powerful than some high-middle gaming PC's WHEN THEY LAUNCHED.

Most gaming pc's less than four years old are substantially more powerful than a PS3 or 360. That's how progress in the electronics market works. Someone figured out how to make a new console out of a semi-recent GPU and CPU. That's really nothing special at all.

There's nothing to see here except some raw information that the new Wii will be a bit more powerful than any other console we have yet seen, because four and a half to five and a half years have passed since the last wave of consoles came out.

[Agent_hitman]

If they release a Powerful console that has 3 updated symmetrical cores + a Powerful GPU @900mhz with shader model 4.1 support DX11, I doubt that it will be cheap console, it will be a little bit expensive or expensive per se.

I think you know this guys, every new technology that comes out in the market this days, even though it's laptop, desktop, smartphones, tablet, you can't expect it to be affordable, Oh yeah being a gamer this days are so expensive.

So I can't helped but think that, Why is that, the gamers are whining if the new console has price tag of $499? For me I think it's reasonable..

[palaeomerus]

@ Agent_hitman

'More powerful than the 360 and PS3' isn't relatively POWERFUL any more. It's dead common and even on the way to being cheap. By 2012 and with mass production of all the components and the final Project Cafe, it will be even cheaper.

3, updated, multi-threaded cores are going to be console-specific modification (meaning desktop feature stripped )of a Power PC chip.

It may be a Power 6. Or it maybe a 4 core Power 7 with one core disabled to get three. And maybe not. Maybe they will be Power 5's or even retooled Power 3's. Who knows? But either way it's likely to be a budget part with a lot of the fancy server/desktop features eliminated.

And the GPU isn't especially powerful compared to todays GPU's.

It's thought to be a derivative of an R700 family part. That's a 2009-ish GPU. By 2012 all of that will probably be pretty cheap.

Anyway, Nintendo will probably need to sell this thing for $300. $400 will probably doom it.

@ hassi94

A better GPU would actually be the cheaper option now since ATI will be mass producing better chips and not the older weaker ones. There is really no sense in not using a more recent and more advanced HD+ gaming graphics oriented GPU.

[hassi94]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's better. The PS3 has higher clock speed than Xbox even though it's an inferior GPU. And that's fact - I know that as a PC gamer.

[KingofGambling]

Lets all wait til E3

[jadnice]

The hype going into this year E3 is going to HUGE!!! worse if the closer we get the rumors starting becoming concrete information on the WiiHD.

[Corrwin]

"Wii2 will probably have an ATI R700 series GPU."

Well "probably" is good enough for me!

[yugioh100]

"Wii 2's GPU has 80% Higher Clock Speed Than 360"

lol there is no wii 2, and they defently wouldn't call it something as stupid is that if there were.

[StifflerK]

Didn't Nintendo say the 3DS was capable of X360/PS3 level graphics last E3???

Well, does it?

[AntiHeroComplex]

this article is for the uninformed console users who think bigger is better regardless of anything else. Here is some news for you people... Clock speed doesnt mean shit if you dont take architecture into account. Or would you argue that a 3 ghz pentium 4 is better than 2 ghz modern dual core?

Stop being stupid and giving stupid articles hits. Oh yeah and the 360 gpu isnt worse than ps3.

[jadnice]

All the PS3 and 360 fanboys talking about how when their respective next gen systems release it will mop the floor with the Wii2.... Both Sony and Microsoft said their system will be a 10yr system cycle. Nintendo is currently the only system that is continuing the tradition of releasing a system every 4 to 5 years.

So if you do the math... by the time the next Xbox and PS systems drop (about 4 years from now) The next Wii3 will be in soon to release. Nintendo historically has been a 4 to 5year system cycle company.

So comparing the Wii2 to future PS and Xbox systems that will not be release for the next 4 years is just plain stupid. Let just enjoy this upcoming E3 and see if the rumors were right or way off.

The real information I want to know is how Nintendo going to compete with its online capabilities (Wii was a serious joke in that department and they need to do a 180 on the friend code crap)... 360 is clearly the model that Nintendo have to match or surpass.

[nchizimbi]

It's obvious that a next-gen system will have better tech from the previous generation...there's always years of tech improvements in between.

What matters whether we ar playing on old-gen, current-gen, next-gen is results...the games will be playing (the experience).

[FinalomegaS]

so much speculations...

No way Hard to tell

For sure

Is this rumor true?

How far off are we from E3 again...?

[Killman]

First we get a non-stop wave of Geohot articles, and now we are getting a bunch of "NEW CONSOLEZ!!" articles. Joy oh joy. Why is there such a huge want for new consoles all of a sudden? I think we are fine for AT LEAST the next four years.

[Equinoxe_7]

Why are everyone saying 4 years till PS4 and XBOXOBX, mark my words, new Xbox will release 2013 and PS4 2014, that will give 2-3 years max.

[bigjclassic]

MS and Sony are just NOW making profit on their respective consoles. It would be dumb on their part to release another "super computer" that is $400 and not make a profit for a couple of years. MS is still hell bent on market share and Sony is still hell bent on overtaking 360 overall sales.

Nintendo already won this gen because they will reach 100 million consoles way before PS3/360. Why not release a new console and still make profit while the competition are trying to please shareholders and maximize profit.

[Equinoxe_7]

bigjclassic, you have a point, but it's not only about how many consoles you sell, it's also about how many games you sell, Wii where on a diffent price tag, you can call it a winner of casual, but not for the hardcore og mediacore.

[bigjclassic]

All 3 competed for our money this gen. Nintendo just happened to win, by hook or crook. Now they sit in a very good position to take a chunk of the HD market if they can future proof Wii2 just enough so that it will still be eligible for future PS4 3rd party games.

[zero_cool]

Nintendo won't spend the kind of money sony did with playstation 3 with wii 2 that much is for sure.im sure nintendo will make sure wii 2 will at least supports 720p hd output,has a physical hard drive,a hdmi port,glassless 3D support,supports a improved wireless motion controller,a gpu that delivers effective & efficient hd graphic performance,a cpu that's delivers effective & efficient performance & enough memory to divide between both processors that delivers effective & efficient performance ect...without spending a lot of money to achieve suitable next gen performance.

[Equinoxe_7]

And trust me, there will not go 4 years before you see a PS4, PCs are already far far ahead.

Zero Cool, o.k you have it, but not now, in 2 years then.

[zero_cool]

Pc isn't that much a head of consoles like playstation 3 that's pushing it a bit.Playstation 4 won't be here anytime soon because i have a good feeling playstation 3 is gonna last longer the n it's intended 10 year product life cycle let's not forget the original playstation lasted 11 years a past it's product life cycle.Also let's not forget about the addition of playstation move & 3D support on playstation 3 which let alone opens up more possibilities for developers to explore.Also developers have yet to exhuasted playstation 3's hardware completely which won't happen until playstation 3 hits it's 7th or 8th year of the 10 year product life cycle.Look at playstation 2 we thought playstation 2 was out of gas then came alone tekken 5,gran turismo 4,god of war 2 ect..& surprised us all so keep an open mind!

[zero_cool]

since their saying wii 2 might use that R700 series this would be the best in the line of that series...

http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Leathersoup]

Does Nintendo really need all that power to render Mario?

[Equinoxe_7]

PS3 was released 6 years after PS2, so do you think PS4 will release 9 years after the PS3, I dont think so.

[noodles4life]

Yaa finally another super smash bros that hopefully don't fail :)

[Bounkass]

/care

[slavish3]

ps360 arent powerful its 2011 not 2006!

[Droid Control]

Xbox 720 = 2012
PS4 = 2012

I do not believe Micrsoft will just sit there and allow Nintendo a huge head start into the 8th generation of home consoles.

I do not believe Sony will allow Microsoft another years head start again. It cost them too much this time.

[Belasco]

It would be interesting if all 3 next gen consoles released exactly on the same date. I wonder how that would turn out..