Judge Declines to Rule on Sony’s PlayStation Hack Take-Down Demand

A federal judge here on Friday put off deciding whether PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz should surrender his computer gear as part of a lawsuit from console-maker Sony.

[NYC_Gamer]

i doubt sony will come out on top in this case

[Spitfire_Riggz]

Yeah its tough because the hackers didnt technically do anything illegal I think. however they opened up the gates of hell for the PS3. They have done something that can really cause massive harm to the playstation.

[RedDragan]

Regardless he has a face you'd love to punch lol

[kneon]

I think in fact they did break the law, at least Geohot did. The root key would most likely be considered as copywrited information. Publishing that key would be a copyright violation, I doubt it would fall under fair use.

And people keeping bringing up the iphone exception to the DMCA, but if I recall correctly that exception was specific to the iphone and wouldn't cover the PS3. That doesn't mean a further exception won't be added but as it stands today there is none.

[Spitfire_Riggz]

@kneon

That makes sense, I agree with you

[Anon1974]

Didn't do anything illegal?

So, tell me this. A hacker (and you know who it is) hacks your computer, steals your personal information, credit card numbers and passwords and then posts them on his website for all to see and abuse. You're telling me you see nothing wrong with that?

Hackers showed how to steal the code, but didn't post it. George Hotz then stole the codes from Sony by circumventing the copy protection of the PS3 (prohibited in the DMCA) and then posted these codes online so people could further circumvent the security. When the BBC asked him in an interview if he was aware that this would open the door to rampant pirating he pretty much said "I don't condone pirating - but yeah, it'll enable piracy."

It's like blowing open a bank vault and then sitting back saying "I don't condone theft, and the people who then walked in and stole from the vault I blew open are wrong. If any of them care to, here's my PayPal account. I'm innocent in all this and just wanted the vault door blown off because it blocked the light coming in from one of the windows. It looks better now."

This guy couldn't be more guilty.

[evrfighter]

@darkride

he didn't hack anyone's computer. If you sold a hacker a computer that held some encrypted files. it's your bad if he takes it upon himself to break the encryption.

it's his ps3 not anyone elses. btw ToS doesn't mean jack in court.

[ravinash]

I agree with darkride.

If you logged on to your bank account on your mates PC, and then that mate uses his PC the hack into your bank account and then publishes your back account logon details on the internet saying any can take what you want, Oh by the way, here my paypal details.

You would be pretty pissed off with that mate right?

The Console may belong to that user, but the Key are still the property of sony, so even if he did legally hack into his Console. He then broke copyright law by publishing those keys.

[whoelse]

I just hope he goes to jail. That'll wipe the smile off his face!

Then Sony can focus solely on adding new features rather than patching up security holes.

[Darrius Cole]

No, the PS3 and everything on it belongs to the user. Sony sold it to him, fair and square. That root key is in every PS3 that has ever been sold.

He would only be violating Sony's intellectual property if he made new software (or hardware) using their technology and sold it or gave it to someone else. He has the right to do whatever he wants with his PS3. Sony wants to violate his rights because they know that they can't stop the pirates that he enables.

[Chucky2003]

massive damage my ass,on 360 you can play since the beginning pirated games and i don't see any problems,games still sell ,the same will be here,people make too much fuss about this

[baker_boi]

Yall are being ridiculous. Accessing some other person's information by PROXY is THEFT.

You are going into that person's private domain to access information, it is not on a local machine that YOU OWN.

These are two different situations and not up for analogy or comparison.

You cant compare theft by proxy with tampering with a privately owned piece of kit.

He didnt access SONY's severs to get that information, it was stored locally on his machine that he PURCHASED and therefore he OWNED it.

It's not like selling an old computer and leaving you bank codes on it by accident. If you access that information, local or not, that falls under federal fraud. It's still considered private domain.

Your PRIVATE bank codes are not under any copyright provision and isn't intended to be sold with every PC that leaves a manufacturer, so no that isn't like a software access key that you, the owner, MUST HAVE to even have a working product.

If one decides that they no longer want to use the PS3's keys or even want to use them for their own personal use, it is legal and just for the owner of that product to manipulate that software and hardware however they see fit.

Doing so however voids the manufacturer's warranty and any small obligation left on SONY for the machine you purchased.

Also, on human principal SONY can deny you access to any of their private domains with your customized hardware.

Once again

-Hacking someone's computer is invasion of privacy. You are entering private domain.

-The use of any bank codes, passwords etc. gained this way will ALWAYS be considered theft because it is fraud.

NOTE: Stealing the PERSONAL information of any other individual will always be considered a crime. It is never considered public domain.

-Accessing software on a purchased product that is uniform across all products of the same type will be considered public domain.

NOTE: The information used is essential to the machine's usefulness. So purchasing the machine means ownership of it's Keys as well.
(You don't buy a car and leave the keys on the lot)

-Privately adjusting any owned items is well within the law and isn't subject to any litigation.

NOTE: However when you reproduce this and try to carry it out into public domain, the Parent of the item may feel it's distribution rights are being obstructed and seek legal action.

Now the question here is, does he have the right to distribute a Key that all (and only) PS3 users already have but most can't readily access?

Sorry for the long winded post folks.

[kneon]

@Darrius Cole

No, it is your PS3, but as is the case for almost all software, you don't own the software, you only have a license to use it under the terms and conditions under which you were granted the license.

[Spitfire_Riggz]

@Chucky2003

yeah massive damage. I dont know about how hacked the xbox is (only to pirate games?) but now on the PS3 its possible to hack PSN and absolutely ruin every onlinee game there is. Only a jackass would not see that as massive harm.

[nickjkl]

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

n4g topic title

Judge Declines to Rule on Sony’s PlayStation Hack Take-Down Demand

website article title

Judge Delays Ruling on PlayStation Hack

with quotes coming from the judge like

“I’m really worried about the jurisdictional question,” the judge said from the bench during a 20-minute hearing.

and the article even says

In the end, Judge Illston said she would rule at an undisclosed time.

[NewMonday]

They don’t have to, they just need to drag this as long as they can.

But the thing that may do him in is that he needs to use the Sony privet key for his hacks, he didn’t come up with something of his own making.

[Armyntt]

Drag what? The case? How does $ony win by dragging it out? Geohot aint payin $hit for his lawyer. His smug smile isnt going anywhere. The info is out there. $ony dragging him through hell wont change anything. Hes already done his part. Its already started. Just go to youtube. Whats that door is open it never closes again. Even if they do get him and nail him to the cross it WONT MATTER. Its already been done. $ony cant take everyone online to court. Plus if im understanding all this crap correctly once you have jailbroken your PS3 via this root or whatever. $ony cant even tell if you jailbroken or not. You can play games off the HDD online and all.

[badz149]

and...you're happy with that? are you a pirate?

[Armyntt]

Negative, im far from a hacker or pirate. My wii has homebrew though. I like playing my games on there off the HDD. Would do the same on the PS3 if i can. I dont condone piracy in any way. Not saying ive never done it but unlike others on here i dont throw stones you know. Ive downloaded music from napster, sure. My point is i dont understand $ony's plan here. Are they trying to use him as an example? Thats all i can think of. They cant stop it now. Its over. These hackers have beat $ony now. Whether they cheated or not i dont care. At the end of the day its over. Who,how,why and the legalities dont matter. Its already been done and its not reversible. Pandoras box is open.

[Shogun Master]

Agreed NYC_Gamer. This will be a tough one for Sony to win.

I think Sony should be proud that the PS3 lasted so long without being Jailbroken. Usually new devices get hacked within the first week or month. The PS3 lasted what, 5 years? That's a pretty long time so they did something right.

[starcb26]

And wasn't it because of a mistake it got hacked?

[blahblah]

@starcb26

lol, mistake or not. it doesn't matter how good your alarms at home are if you don't have discipline to check if you locked and activated alarm.

bugs are part of security. and part of security check if checking your code for bugs. and this one broke rule nr.1 of RSA (by nr.1 i MEAN NUMBER 1). i'm kinda wondering what did they check if they didn't check even random number. usually, you test quality of random number as some systems don't have really good algorithm and this makes it predictable. as a developer i kinda understand how this happened, but at the same time i also suspect this came from early times when developers tested RSA and fixated random to get only one movable part. but, if it was like that then this error would be present from day 1.

ps3 lasted 1 year, not 5. most of people hacking were not interested in games, but in RSX access. after sony removed OtherOS, fixation moved elsewhere.

[Eamon]

I also think this case is more on Geohot's side than Sony's.

And this news about Judge not permitting a restraining order is probably a sign for the eventual outcome of this case.

[RedDragan]

Perhaps not, the general consensus was it would be thrown out immediately. They said something that stopped the judge doing that.

[Eamon]

Well the issue has always been on a very grey area. Otherwise Sony's lawyers would never have bothered.

Although I'm not sure if the case getting "thrown out immediately" was the general consensus.

[beavis4play]

Eamon - if sony had no case, the judge would have dismissed immediately. sounds like the only question right now is: will hotz be prosecuted in cali or in his home state.

[ChrisW]

Lawyer 101: The accused should be tried in a courtroom of jurisdiction where the crime took place.

How in the hell do Sony's lawyers screw this one up?!? Seriously, just because Twitter, Youtube, and Paypal are in California he is being tried in a Californian courtroom? You might as well ship him to Japan were Sony's main HQ is located and try him there.

[morkendo23]

heck, all geohot have to do is re-place his harddrive with another and sony cant prove SHIT!!

[stevenhiggster]

Yeah because the evidence isn't all over the internet.

[Whitefox789]

Let me end this once and for all. What he has done is indeed illegal. For people who think once you get a PS3 and you can do w/e the hell you want with it (software modding wise) sorry you can't!

Once you purchase a system and agree to the EULA to get on the PSN and for the firmware updates you agree to not only to any modifications done to the OS by Sony but also that you will not alter the copyrighted OS in any way to run unsigned code.

So what I'm trying to say is just like with Windows and Macintosh OS you are buying a license to USE the software, the software by itself is not yours to modify. The code inside the PS3 OS is copyrighted and patented what he has done is a violation of that agreement.

For example if I went and modify the Windows OS so it can run Linux Code (I don't know why the hell I would) and started supplying people to download it that would be a violation of my agreement with Microsoft.

Trust me I know a lot of guys in the electronics and software industry.

[sak500]

You mean to say that I can't fit bigger tires or chip my car to go from 360 HP to 500 HP just cuz that's the way manufacturer wanted it?

I have JB iphones and i'm glad to do it as the community has done so much for it and made it more user friendly. Otherwise i would have been stuck using itunes for every damn time i need to transfer anything from pc to iphone.

Ps3's hacked and it's gonna get better with community behind it. MIght as well pick it up later this year.

[Whitefox789]

Your missing some points.

JB iphones is one thing because they caught him on a minor technicality they ruled out in court that you cannot monopolize a cell phones sim card provider. So if iphones were enabled to use any sim card you want then yes what GeoHotz did was illegal.

Your example of a car is flawed because you actually own the vehicle whereas software you have a license to USE it you do not own the source code be it public or private code. A better example would be if you were renting a car and you modified it that would be breaking the agreement you made with the company you rented it from.

Sony however had encrypted code that was copyrighted and patented in which like I said earlier you as a consumer agree to their EULA which says you cannot edit their software.

It's the same thing for a modded Xbox 360 if you edit the Hardware or Software in any way and your connected to Live Microsoft will Ban your account for violating your agreement to them.

Another example would be if I take Windows OS and made it so it can run Mac Applications and then I mass produce the software and provided it to people. I would be violating both terms of services for Microsoft and Apple.

[carlitoskaruuz]

He is from Jersey...

[HarryMonogenis]

"But if using Twitter or Facebook is enough to bring a case to San Francisco, “the entire universe would be subject to my jurisdiction,” the judge told the Sony attorney about his argument."

"Gilliland countered, arguing that the PlayStation’s terms-of-service agreement demands that legal disputes be settled in federal court here, near where Sony Computer Entertainment America is based."

This case just got a whole lot more complicated.

[Acquiescence]

The longer this draws out, the more Frodo's resources dry up. He can't carry this on as long as Sony can and eventually it'll ruin him.

[blumatt]

hahaha Yeah, I hope Mr. Baggins gets all of his computer gear taken away and gets sued for all he has in this life and the next. Regardless of whether he's trying to allow piracy or not, piracy will find its way into all this eventually and Sony could lose out on a whole lot of money. Hackers will use THIS hack to make another hack and eventually they'll figure out how to play pirated PS3 games. Geohot...um I mean Frodo...you're goin down!!

[thats_just_prime]

If he counter sues you'll probably end up being very rich man in the end

[blahblah]

nope, he wont. i'm willing to bet he doesn't need to pay anything to lawyers. this is high profile case where lawyers mostly see the clients from constant media reporting on it. it is far larger benefit to take case like that pro bono and rip benefits later.

[HIV-]

- To Acquiescence

I believe this guy and his group are not working alone and definitely they are supported financially by some other major "corporations" that want Sony to suffer. Do you actually think that a teenager can hack through PS3's security system just by his computer and some other gizmos? On top of all, he's got the best lawyer that money can buy.(the one who represented iPhone case)

Companies spend millions on security just to make their software/hardware safe and I think it is impossible to hack something like a ps3/360 from home with a personal computer. Therefore, the real offender is hiding behind curtains.

[Hayabusa 117]

@HIV

lol 4 real? Hackers get the own conspiract theory now :)

[testerg35]

Can they make demands like that though? Why not ask the Pope to decide or Obama while they're at it.

[Shani]

But if using Twitter or Facebook is enough to bring a case to San Francisco, “the entire universe would be subject to my jurisdiction,” the judge told the Sony attorney about his argument.

LOL.

[Dir_en_grey]

It's like saying a murderer doesn't have to give up his knife that he killed with because he still cooks with that knife.

Or doesn't have to give up the gun that he murdered with because he still goes to a gun range every Sunday....

I can't understand this ruling at all.

[ReBurn]

The problem with these analogies is that no criminal charges have been filed against Geohot. This is a civil matter unless Sony can convince some district attorney's office somewhere to press criminal charges. In that case the government could get a warrant and seize Geohot's stuff. And even under the DMCA Sony has to have a judge's approval to be able to take his gear.

Even though we don't like what Geohot did, he still has rights and the only way the system can work is if those rights are respected.

[jerethdagryphon]

if terms and conditions which have an accpt her button dont count as a contract then why should any contract be valid all they are is terms and conditions

[Dart89]

God i just wanna grab that guy and beat him up retard why he have to go and mess up the ps3.F*** u geohotz hope you get what's coming to you.

Edit:@below only people who want to ruin online for the rest of us and are to poor to buy games.

[Spitfire_Riggz]

I still dont understand how so many people can be on Geohotz side.

[finbars75]

Dart89 im with you. like I said earlier if you can afford a PS3 and internet then you can afford games.You dont have to buy every game out there to be happy.Cheapscapes.I couldnt grab that little shit Geohot because he looks like a minor and I dont need him suing me for something I did wrong or did I??If you ask for it then your going to get what you deserve.Just bend over Geohot and the rest of the clowns who side with him and take it like a boy because thats how you sound in here.Sony deserevs this? are you serious and you say sony has been screwing everyone over, really nobody said you to go out and buy there consoles or any other electronics did they?So dont go and use sony as a scapegoat assholes.Its reality and what Geohots did was wrong and he knows it.Why else why he get a good lawyer.He knows whats going on and knows if he losses hes going to jail for a while and if not then he will be banned from all consoles ,PC and any other piece of electronic with house arrest and a hefty fine.

[King-Leonidas]

i too dont undertand - it harms the game industry. and like i said, we like games thats why we are here

[YoungKingDoran]

well us honest gamers are the ones that may suffer if prices for games goes up.

[tacosRcool]

Those ppl are rich that ruin online gaming. They have the free time to sit there and ruin it since the obviously can pay all their bills to have the free time that they have

[jerethdagryphon]

why would someone who has time ruin online gaming,

[mac_sparrow]

umm...yeah! Damn those people who keep matchmaking lobbies running smoothly!

Down with this kind of thing!

Careful now.

[insomnium2]

I think tacos meant that when people are rich they have time to think all the BS in the world and get caught up with it or get a mental illness or something. Decades ago when people had to work 12 hours a day just to get some bread on the table there was nothing like this spitefull BS going on in the world. Not as much since people didn't have any time to do it.

Oh would you look at that. I lost a bubble. I wonder why.

[Loner]

This lawsuit has fail written all over it.Im gonna lmao when Sony ends up egg on their face and geohot walks free

[MrBeatdown]

You seem like the intellectual type who would have a firm grasp of the legal issues at hand here.

[mrv321]

Loner despite his HOURS on this site, is actually a supreme court judge.

[MUHAHAHAHAAHAHA]

of course u will

[joeorc]

@Loner

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston, without deciding any of the merits of Sony’s DMCA claim and other allegations, said she was unsure whether the lawsuit should even be tried in her courtroom. She wondered aloud whether the case should be aired in the 21-year-old’s home state of New Jersey, where the hacking took place.

"In the end, Judge Illston said she would rule at an undisclosed time.

“Serious questions have been raised here,” she said."

so he's far from Safe

[awesomeperson]

If Geo walks free I hope it is with clothes collected from the local homeless shelter.

[ComboBreaker]

Free of his money.
Free of his house.
Free of his bank account.

Free of all the assets he owns.

[Pillage05]

any of you guys remember that old troll bungie/greenringoflife with the spiderman avatars? I'm thinking with as much time and dedication this guy is putting in to it for the 6 days he has had this account...it has got to be the same guy. although bungie/green was funnier.

[Lirky]

If geohot succeeds most ppl will purchase that 2nd or 3rd ps3 and re-create a new psn account and soley use that ps3 for homebrew apps etc.

Thats why i want sony to win so that they can prevent that from happening.

[Griffmo]

Most people...I am willing to bet that the majority of ps3 owners have no idea the system is even hackable, much less have the intellectual capabilities to do anything beyond it's basic use.

[theEx1Le]

You underestimate what the common person will do to get something they have to pay for for free...

[LOOK_AT_THIS_I]

Gotta Disagree with that. Too many douchebags want their "friends" to subscribe to their awesome youtube video accounts of them screwing up games for others. If this is allowed then this garbage will be all over the place on forums/youtube/etc... I cant wait to start seeing all the custom cheats the assholes are gonna use in the online games to further screw over all of us legit players.

I hope everyone of you fucksticks who glitch/cheat/hack online games eventually discover friends /women /drugs /religion whatever will get your sorry ass a life and to stop being such a jagoff and ruin what other people use for a little bit of entertainment.

[jerethdagryphon]

if geohot wins it sets a precedent that digital signatures and code isnt protected wehich is just short of saying piracy is legal

[Titanz]

I don't support piracy at all, but the Wii has the worst case of the "Homebrew virus".

And look, the Wii is doing pretty well.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

[Neo Nugget]

That picture makes him look like a douche bag.

[El-Fenemeno1213]

Then it's the perfect profile pic

[awesomeperson]

Thats because he IS a douche bag.

[Miiikeyyy]

look at geohot on the thumbnail, anyone else wanna beat the shit out of him?

[renegade]

I'm in!

[Miiikeyyy]

think we should assemble a huge army XD

[OhReginald]

Im in also, just let me use this...

[espiritu604]

is that from demons soul?

[OhReginald]

no sir, it is from fallout 2

[Kran]

The picture just makes him look so evil. I hope he pays!

I think this is really what he deserves. Slow and painful:

360 death for a ps3 case. lol

[Dart89]

Na this is better.

[Gothdom]

I'm subscribing his email to the most junk mail list I can find.

[blahblah]

and approve registration... how? all he'd need is deleting message (if not already taken out by spam filter), you need to register him.

hmmm, i wonder who gets punished here

[jerethdagryphon]

@above hack his password after all its fair use /s

[karl]

i wish kratos would just rape him

[Moentjers]

well, when he gets to go to jail, I'm sure someone else will do the honours.

[badz149]

dude, Kratos has honors! he rape hot chicks only! GeoHotz only deserve the cestus to his face!

[Pedantic91]

Cant believe you guys forgot this one !

[Tru_Ray]

Word! He is a destructive/self-destructive figure.

Looks like there is at least some merit to Sony's claims. If the case was frivolous the judge would have thrown it out already...

[awesomeperson]

I'll join, although my weapon of choice:

[pimpmaster]

here we go again. dont you people get tired of arguing about the same old crap.

[Azmacna]

nope, it certainly looks like they don't.

[Graphics]

How is sony winning lawsuit going to prevent that from happening? It's all already out in the web, its hacked already, sony cant turn back time.

[Griffmo]

I think Sony gains a sense of fear in this lawsuit of those considering hacking for the wrong reasons. I'd be surprised if someone intending on pirating or cheating isn't second thinking their motives. These people using the key for wrong reasons are playing with fire as far as I am concerned.

[ReBurn]

I hope that sooner or later the hackers get the message. Too bad these guys aren't afraid of lawsuits. If they were they wouldn't be hacking to begin with.

[PirateThom]

So, if someone gets murdered, why take them to court? It's already happened, the prosecution can't turn back time.

[Graphics]

most stupid comparison, hacking is legal, murdering is not.

[PirateThom]

Hacking is not legal, as I'm sure Gary McKinnon will attest to.

[beavis4play]

graphics, you're an idiot - you REALLY think hacking is legal?

[skrug]

*goes and hack the bank*

[ReBurn]

Gary McKinnon hasn't been convicted of anything, either. Just saying.

[radphil]

"most stupid comparison, hacking is legal, murdering is not."

Hack into a corporation, and then tell me it's legal....

[MrBeatdown]

Justice? You don't let someone walk free just because what is done is done.

Not only that, but for Sony, and for any other console maker, this sets a huge precedent. It could mean that it would be illegal to hack any game console if the primary use of security features is to prevent piracy. Obviously, Sony or any console manufacturer would love to have the law on their side, not just now, but for years to come.

The reason Hotz thinks this is legal is because it is legal to hack phones. They are exempt from the DMCA because hacking allows the user to bypass restrictions that prevent the use of alternative phone service carriers. As a side-effect, it allows for other things like homebrew on iPhone, but it wasn't the reason for the exemption.

On a PS3, the system restrictions are in place for DRM purposes, and not to prevent competition, seeing as how there is no competitor to PSN on PS3. We have DRM on the hardware side so that we don't need PC-like DRM on each of our games and to ensure quality (see the trophy hack issue). Geohot circumvented a system designed to prevent piracy, not to prevent competition, as was the case with iPhone.

If Sony wins, it means that it is illegal to hack a game console. Despite this being Sony's case, I'd imagine Microsoft and Nintendo are rooting for Sony on this as the outcome affects them as well.

[moodymofo]

yea child porn is also all over the web ,whats your point ? does that meen that because its all over the web thats its ok to look at it .im sure people do but its also punishable by law and not knowing that doesnt excuse anyone from the law.thats why sony needs to win this

[Graphics]

wow you people really come out with sick stuff that I would never have thought of, you people are crazy. How can you put hacking a ps3 in the same category with child porn and murder.. Ps3 getting hacked is nothing serious. maybe only to the fanboys

[xino]

Judge Judy should have handled this case, because she would have made Sony looked like an idiot!

Typical N4G loser haters.
I wish i was like Geohotz! I mean the guy cracked the iphone that allowed everybody to load stuff on and even brought about the DMCA!
Heck the guy is freaking famous across the damn internet!

I would wanna make something and be famous for it.
Oh yea this is N4G, where typical losers hang around, argue about consoles all day long and hate on other better than them.

-Ninja Gaiden 3-is sick!:)

[beavis4play]

the very fact you cite "judge judy" makes you look pretty stupid.
and the other fact that you idolize hotz makes you a complete loser. you shouldn't even be allowed on a gaming site.

[bigtits]

agreed lol Xino 0, Beavis 1

[radphil]

"Oh yea this is N4G, where typical losers hang around, argue about consoles all day long and hate on other better than them."

So that means you're also a typical loser, and argue about consoles all day long, and "hate on other better than them" (whatever that means).

[maverick40]

How is Geohot better than N4g users like me? I am an astrophysicist that works for the European Space Agency, I know I am better than Geohot but you don't hear me looking for attention like this clown. Anyone who believes that this guy hates piracy has his/her head up their ass.
This same thing happened to the music industry with torrents and napster, except the music industry makes profit from concerts. Where does the games industry get their profit from if you can download games for free?It's just not fair for Ms,Ninty and Sony.

[JusenkyoGuide]

that bloodmask always publishes these articles most of the time lol. he loves him some n4g battles.

[dinkeldinkse]

and these articles help achieve that.

I wish he still commented on articles.

[awesomeperson]

I swear he must refresh websites till new hacking news pops up, or any news, and then BANG its posted.

[rjgiggs11]

Heres an idea for sony,
maybe for the PS4, Hire the guy to help prevent future hacking

[Kran]

Here's a thought:

ITS NOT THAT FREAKING SIMPLE!

@PirateThom

What? Really? Thats like Vince Zampella and Jason West asking for their jobs back at Infinity Ward :/

[PirateThom]

That's a terrible idea, considering two of the things they are taking him to court over are:

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(4) – Intent To Defraud And Obtain Value
18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(7)(B) – Intent to Extort

Don't forget, rather than approach Sony with the exploit first, he said he would stop if Sony offered him a job AFTER posting details online already.

[Lirky]

He couldn't get a job at sony hq, because he already released the damaging codes etc.

If he gets out of this lawsuit then most of the gaming articles everywhere will focus on ps3s pirating issues rather than their new games.

[MajestieBeast]

Maybe they would have if he didnt publish the privacy key and just kept it to himself but no the basterd decided to publish em on the internet.

[Dart89]

True but he was black mailing them into giving him a job.

[UltimateIdiot911]

So because he was blackmailing them to give a job, it makes it okay?

No. 2 wrongs doesn't make a right.

[GSpartan777]

Fail0verflow were the once to find Sony's flaw in the security, not GeoHotz.He's simply being credited because of his name and for releasing the keys online.

[radphil]

So hire the guy that tried to blackmail them?....

Yea that makes total sense...

[Griffmo]

I wouldn't hire this guy to mow my lawn.

[awesomeperson]

He'ld probably steal your grass.

[blahblah]

nah, he would just leak dna profile of your grass all over the internet;) grass you can keep

[badz149]

mow your lawn? bad idea dude! the next thing you know, everybody in the neigbourhood is dinning from your fridge!

[Thoreau]

the judge is going to place some deep thought into this one, women sometimes can sniff some bullsh!t a mile away.

[GSpartan777]

I was very certain that GeoHotz was safe from this one. Then I read "“Serious questions have been raised here,” she said."

Which means that she's not going to let GeoHotz of the hook that easy despite the case looking much better for him than Sony.

[AKissFromDaddy]

Go Hotz! Just beat'em in court and finish it quickly.

[GoldPS3]

I think Sony should have hired the guy. Sony could use his skills.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

What skills? If it was iPhone or PSP maybe it made sense, but this guy have no PS3 hacking skills.

Geo Hotz have nothing to do with finding the root key security breech or even modifying Sony's USB boot keys into PS3 jailbreak. The only thing this guy worked on PS3 was Hello World, which was supposed to be unsigned code running on PS3 made possible by the original Other OS feature, but even that was never reproduced and to this day we don't if it wasn't a fake.

Geo Hotz isn't a security expert, he's a leeker and that is why Sony want his head, not because he developed some code (which isn't illegal), but because he used Fail0verflow's method to steal Sony's code and distributed it. Remember people, this is the same guy that not so long ago said he was retiring and people were making fun of him with jokes like "PS3, it only does retiring hackers".

Most people are giving this kid too much credit, but PS3 wise, he barelly can be called hacker. The only reason to give this guy a paycheck is for him to leave you alone.

[Zhuqiaomon]

Now what going to happening to us ? maybe next firmware brick all ps3...omg...!!!! SONY REVENGE !!!

[Xfanboy]

Im downloading games that don't give demos! that's it!

[NeoBasch]

Wow, just wow. Really? So if I walk into KFC and can't try out their chicken, I should go right through the buffet line anyways.

Logic, out the window.

[Captain Tuttle]

Sony's ToS DEMANDS that trials regarding the PS3 are held in California? Sorry Sony, I don't think it works that way. Unless there is some compelling reason like a person being unable to get a fair trial people are tried in the jurisdiction in which the alleged actions occurred.

[PirateThom]

That's the problem the judge has as well though, the action was comitted in New Jersey, Sony dictates California in their software terms and conditions (which he's in breach of) but the servers where the information was uploaded is in Utah, so why not there?

[Captain Tuttle]

The judge had a problem with it being in her jurisdiction because Twitter, Paypal etc are located there. At least I think that's it.

[ATi_Elite]

A lot of people here maybe need to lay of the video games a little bit and get educated about the Legal System.

No one won or lost anything yet. The Judge declined to make a ruling because she is unsure as to where the trial should take place. Sony says CA because all the companies that are involved are there (Paypal Twitter Youtube etc) but the Judge thinks the trial should take place in New Jersey where the act was committed which is logical unless he can't get a fair trial there then it would be moved.

The Judge will delay, seek out advice and info from other trials and judges then make a decision as to where the trial should take place first. Then that states judge will make the ruling on the "TAKE DOWN THE CODE ORDER" and get the ball rolling for the trial. This is a LONG way from being over as it hasn't even really started yet.

GEOHOT is screwed and here's why. Unlike with the iPhone he just used a work around program and pointed out flaws to jailbreak the iPhone. GeoHot did not use any Apple Licensed code. The PS3 situation is totally different.

1. He used an actual Sony License code to do the jail breaking. This code is what ND SM GG etc have to pay a License Fee for just to make games for the PS3.

2. Not only Sony but regular people sent GEO HOT Donations to his pay pal account on his website while the PS3 code was up. GEO HOT is NOT a NON-Profit organization therefore those donations and his website are considered a BUSINESS and PROFIT with gets TAXED.

3. Because of this GEO HOT is a filthy pirate that stole Sony's code and made profit from it with out Sony's permission.

4. The dumb ass made a comment that he wouldn't post the code if Sony gave him a job. That's extortion but will be reflected in the "malicious plans to defraud" part of the law suit.

[finbars75]

Damm well put Krayzie Bone.Maybe people in here will get the point of what he did wrong instead of being narrowminded and siding with a an idiot like Geohot who has nowwheres to run.

[joeorc]

@Krayzie Bone

" Not only Sony but regular people sent GEO HOT Donations to his pay pal account on his website while the PS3 code was up. GEO HOT is NOT a NON-Profit organization therefore those donations and his website are considered a BUSINESS and PROFIT with gets TAXED."

you do not have to claim the person is taking a donation on the site to say look its going there. becuse you do not know where the money is going. what it does show is that he could be taking money for hacks you put a donation button on your site the IRS wants to know where that money goes... unless he pay's taxes on such Hack's or that money if it does go to him instead of a non profit or church or other organization. an George better pray that he does, or he has some kind of ledger or he is going to have the IRS

put his Head Up his Own Kiester in an slam him on tax evasion.

oh an for the last Time :

ENTRAPMENT
A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

"enforcement officers"

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/...

is Sony law enforcement agent's?

lol..

[VenGencE999]

FINALLY! someone who has knowledge and how the system works! I've been reading for days about "entrapment" and how Sony doesn't stand a chance and have been smh at the lack of smarts on this site when it comes to the law.

kudos to KrazyBone and joeorc for taking the time to try and enlighten those who think this is funny and legal. It's neither. This could potentially ruin online gaming for years on the psn. U think MW2 MP was bad?

1 last thing, Sony doesn't HAVE to win this battle, all they have to do is drag it out for as long as they can, eating into ALL his life savings defending himself, leaving him broke and in debt for a long time if not for the rest of his life.

You don't think his lawyer is working for free do you? One way or another he's going to pay...

[bigtits]

Agreed, after being hacked on MW2 today (4times). Yea 4 times in the span of a few minutes. It appears these hacks only had escalated the pass few weeks. Glitches were fine but when they started to mess your ps3 and game stats that you work hard on for weeks, I would like to punch them in the face. I'm siding with Sony on this one. Homebrew is not worth ruining online for everyone.

[Mindsucker]

Well said man. Any way I think this guy has had it coming for a while. Not very bright of him to ask for a Job after exploiting there code. It would be like me hiring the burglar for to protect my coin collection after he just sold my wife's jewelery. NEXT TIME LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THE KEY BUDDY

[blahblah]

1. this would be called using pirated software and fee is not really big
2. you have to prove payment for the hack, donation is not proof
3. lol, you are angry and look how rich he is from that hack
4. "If you want your next console to be secure, get in touch with me. Any of you 3. It'd be fun to be on the other side." is not extortion, it can be represented as humor and humiliation. no sane judge will ever take this as extortion (this went to all 3: sony, ms and nintendo)

[jerethdagryphon]

i dont think naughty dog pay a licence fee there owned entirly by sony pony pays there dev budjet and upkeep they make games and get paid a salery for it and maybe a small precentage of royalties the rest goes to sony and the cycle repeats, them paying licene fees for the use of uncharted trademarks and such is opony paying themselves with one hand and revicing with the other

[blackburn5]

What is really funny is people declaring that Sony deserves this. Why do they deserve it? Because they are a company who has the sense to see how far this will go? Because they saw that hackers were going to misuse the Other OS? Because they told the hackers 'no you cannot do that' and they stomp and cry like babies and try to mess everyone up while pretending they are the good guys? Because they stole Sony's property and passed it out to everyone who could use it to do anything including cheat ( like with the trophies) or pirate games (don't pretend some other genius can't figure it out) The more I read about this the more I see how corrupt gamers are. Sony is a business. You can't steal from them and claim that you won't do anything wrong. @ Dark_Charizard. of course you didn't complain. You were to busy drooling over the concept of cheap games and cheating. We don't like it and have the right to protest. @ Krayzie. Well said. It's not the same thing. He is a liar, a thief AND an extortionist.

[guzman]

Mmmmm, Geohot is what we call "fresh fish" here in the pen. Everytime I see his cute smile I wanna Ugggggghhhhhhhhh!

[jack who]

i told ya so

http://n4g.com/news/679901/...

[Thoreau]

o-10, whoa...

[Sarobi]

The battle of worried console gamers continues i see, oh dear

[JAMurida]

I think someone earlier said it perfectly. Piracy on Xbox 360 and Wii are there and what not but that hasn't stop game developers from making games on their system. So why would it hurt Sony?

Well, my answer to it is that MS and Nintendo can afford to take a little hit of piracy here and there, while with Sony, they're finally somewhat making profit from the PS3 and they're starting to come up in the gaming industry again with great game lineups and what not. So it would be understandable to why they don't want anything bad to happen at this time, (especially with how good the PS3 looks for 2011). So if anything they just want to have a good year.

The main problem I have with the hackers is how they're doing this all because of the OtherOS thing. I personally find it childish what they're doing but that's my opinion. It's just the funny thing about it is that they want to hack their PS3s to play a lot of the PS3 exclusive games, along with the multiplat games, coming out, but at the same time they want to bring down Sony. So by bringing down Sony, how do they expect to play the PS3 exclusive if there is no Sony???????????????????

And with the hackers release the tools to hack your PS3, I'm not really sure how to take that. Maybe it was their way of basically saying "were fucked, so let's bring down Sony with us" or maybe they just felt like it?? Idk...

All in all it's really sad to see this BS happen, especially when Sony has such an amazing forecast for the PS3 in 2011. It's like nothing can ever go perfect for Sony this generation. There is always something in the way of their plans lol.

[Tru_Ray]

If this case receives a lot of media attention it will not necessarily hurt Sony. It could help increase the awareness of the console for people that don't care about video games.

[MWH]

the talk about the industry being killed by hacking and piracy is a load of diarrhea shit, hacking and piracy has been there since the dawn of gaming and yet the industry is still increasingly making millions of dollars but no this is not enough, "the industry" is sparing no effort in making us believe that load of shit and recruit us directly or indirectly to support them reaping even more. believe it or not and i don't really care, it doens't bother me how many race cars their money can buy and it doens't bother me that i pay 60$ for their game but the idea and the feeling that i don't own what i paid to own doesn't just bother me, it simply fucks my mood Fatality.

most of the people here are pissed of hackers because they have the opportunity to try different things and they have choices and the beauty of it is that they share it. at least have the balls to admit it even if you don't like it.

hackers/pirates are not killing this industry, if there truly is a killer then it's greed and corps policies.

you may chose to be someone's bitch or so called "fanboy" but i don't and i won't. i like the feeling that i'm free to chose, free to select, free to own and free not to share it with some corporate mother fuckers who are smothering the soul and passion of video gaming and tainting it with this "$".

most of you guys are immature sons of bitches with your arrogant and stupid insults just to gain points from each other. here, vanquish your thirst for attention:

"Disagree Season Open" give it your best shot, asswipes.

[nix]

good point. tomorrow i'll go rob a bank n share the loot with u too. i also believe in the beauty of sharing. just mention these quotes as our defence in case i get caught.

[DrillaKid]

I'm surprised the judge even had to raise issues of jurisdiction; choice-of-law and jurisdiction clauses are meant to do away with these issues and Sony has chosen CA as their jurisdiction in contracts/term of service.

All companies do this; take a look at your car insurance policy for instance; mine says th policy is subject to English law (even though i'm in Scotland) and that any disputes must be tried in an English court; i had no choice in the matter.

[Haseo106]

That judge must have a HACKED Console too! F_ck Him!

[Tru_Ray]

You mean F_ck Her...

[Haseo106]

That dude is GAY so you're right! XD

[moodymofo]

yea where can i find me one of them there hackers i needs my credit score , driving record, and criminal history changed, i meen since its ok to break security codes and change stuff around

[bailoutbenny]

That type of hacking is to gain unauthorized access to a system the individual does not own. The type of hacking Geohot does is legal because people own their consoles and are absolutely authorized to access and use the hardware.

People don't seem to understand. The system is owned by the user. Breaking the security to be able to install custom firmware is completely legal. It is the only way to obtain enough priviledged access to the system to install custom firmware. This is going to be ruled in favor of Geohot, just like iPhone jailbreaking.

[badz149]

but he stole the PS3 key which is not his by any means and published it online! using a hacked PS3 offline is maybe legal because it's yours but once you use it to access PSN, which is never yours but Sony's, it's illegal! people used his code to crack Castlevania LoS and the PS3 recognizes the game as a PSN game! this clearly involving PSN, thus it's ILLEGAL! and what method that people used to accomplish this? his and he's GUILTY one way or another!

[Pillage05]

I never understood how this couldn't be illegal. game/software developers have to pay for the playstation liscense to be able to use their software on the ps3 don't they? Maybe that would only apply if they were profiting from it, though.

[joeorc]

Good Question an i hope this can help you.

it's not so clear cut an dry..there are EULA that have enforceable section's but other part's that some judges may find not enforceable, but it does not Negate the Whole EULA.

If your interested or any of those interested about Software ownership please read the archives from the link i have provided created this it's pretty long but will give you a better understanding on not "what you think you know" but what you will know after you read it.

http://www.frictionlessinsi...

[Pillage05]

good read +bub

[gemc666]

hmm...time to release the sony ninjas (with kratos commanding)

[Bolts]

I have never seen so many fanboys get worked up over such a completely pointless lawsuit. Because the hilarious thing is that the real threat, the hackers who actually do the pirating and compromise the PSN are not on trial LMAO.

The Apple jailbreak trial on the other hand was huge with meaningful ramifications. Compared to that, this one is a snooze fest.

[KingDustero]

The person on trial is the REASON online hacks and piracy will now be on the console.

Every PS3 gamer right now is worried about online play being messed up due to Geohot. However he deserves to get destroyed because of it. He has single handily caused a LOT of problems.

I can't wait to see his face when he gets 20 or so years in jail and a fine that'll make him broke FOREVER.

After seeing what happens to him others will be scared to hack further on the PS3.

[Bolts]

20 years in jail for hacking a gaming console, ROFL. Thats freaking hilarious as hell. The reason he is on trial is because he provided the tools to hack the PS3. Thats all. Like I said, the real threat. The guys that Sony can actually build a solid case against are not on trial. Its same old story again and again and again.

Oh by the way, there are Playstation 2 emulators all over the net. How come you guys are not upset over that? How come Sony isn't sueing anyone over PS2 emulators? Oh yeah. They did, and they lost.

If Sony want to ban players for hacking then thats perfectly fine. If they want to sue pirates then thats also rock solid. But their case against Geo looks shaky and does nothing to prevent the real pirates from hacking. Thats odd thing about this case. It's punitive at best and pointless for certain.

[Ratchet510]

dam stupid judge, all you hackers need a fuking life seriously, be a real gamer and do everything legit.

[Neko_Mega]

The little hacker will do the time, just wait.

[turgore]

soon his retarded smirk will be wiped off his face.

[denero1]

thats the same smirk he walked into the apple case with >.> i bet they said the same thing

[Bolts]

He's enjoying this you know it. Just like how the Pirate Bay guys absolutely love being sued. They're attention whores and Sony is falling right into their traps hook line and sinker.

[ZBlacktt]

I hope he riots in jail.

[spektical]

Geohot didnt do anything illegal. Sony can b1tch and complain all they want.. but its clearly stated in the consumer protection laws, that you can do what you wish with a purchased product, with certain limitation such as copyright infridgment and such.

[Mindsucker]

as you just said copyright infringement is exactly what he did when he exploited SCE's code all over the net.

[Hayabusa 117]

I don't think publishing a line of code of copyright infringement, unless that line of code is copyrighted, which I doubt it is.

[Bolts]

If Sony can sue Geo for hacking his own console then we can sue Sony for installing the infamous rootkit DMR that was installed without any sort of consent years ago.

[ZBlacktt]

You go online, you play by their rules " Sony's ". You want to call it "your " console. Then stay off line and play with yourself. Want to steal copyright material, then again deal with the law.

[MarkusMcNugen]

For all the N4G readers who see this... please read from the link...

http://www.groklaw.net/arti...

[shaunsingerling]

I really hate this man/boy whatever he is .

[mac_sparrow]

nasty little hobbitses.

[Mindsucker]

Just a thought. I know you are all aware of how the US Air force and other scientist have been using bunches of PS3'a to crunch some serious math and run other very sophisticated programs. Now that was made possible via the OtherOS option. one of the reasons I believe it may have been removed was to limit the possibility for this to getting into the wrong hands. But then again I maybe just reading into this to deeply

[led1090]

if you check the failoverflow site, those ppl mainly did this so that they can run custom apps on the ps3 like the ability to code for it and other stuff....piracy is not what they had in mind....so i don't think that he deserves to go to jail for something like this

[Mindsucker]

I got to disagree they can say there do not support it till there blue in the face. You think a con artist is going to tell you he is going to rip you off. If these guys are so concerned with adding custom apps. Then design them for PC's or MAC if that is your flavor but what these jerks did is steel and exploit the code that is copyrighted by Sony so people can pretty much do whatever they want on the machine.

[astar123456789]

i still don't understand why hacking is ok.....any one?

[Chaos23]

Geohot lookz like a f'in douche .anyway i hope sony wins this case....and i wish Kratos was real so he would fuck this guy up 'Posedion style' lol http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Interface23]

I'll be using this to play the Fan Translations of Tales and any other games that don't come out here. I WILL be buying legit copies of the games though and just patching them through Homebrew.

[wissam]

If this guy wins that means the American law fails HARD.

[Bullseye]

George Hotz,admire his actions or loathe them, cannot and should not,be made legally responsible for the morality of others.Posting of the key may be considered extremely irresponsible,but illegal? I doubt it! Large corporations such as Sony have, for a number of years now,believed they are entitled to create their own laws with regards to 'Terms and conditions' Large and powerful they may be,but law makers they should not be.It's time for the pendelum to swing in favour of the consummer - we have rights too !

[joeorc]

if anyone can bypass your security of you system than what's the point of having it pre-installed in the first place?

this is about fair use is it fair the consumer can damage the ability for the developer's to get = protection under the law for their work if anyone can just bypass their security software in place an then tell everyone about how it's done. is that what's it's like with no protection under the law. against the consumer's that stomp on the copyright's of the people that make the software.

"i buy the software" i can do anything i want with it...why i buy my car i can just turn back the speedometer anytime i want right..?

once again it's not so clear cut an dry. this is not about the consumer hacking the Hardware it's all about the right's of those who make the software.

look i think consumer protection laws are just great it is to protect the consumer but when people go messing with the online network of the service that these companys provide an they cannot protect the other users from cheater's an hacker's because the other's "buy it they can do what ever they want with it" kinda makes it , only protection for the consumer that matter's is for those consumer's that cheat an hack because other consumer's just want to play games fair an square!

now what happens if no game console comes with their software pre-installed from now on? can the user than hack an change someone elses code? add stuff to that software without ok. you may say there's mod tool's out there. which is right , but if you copy the look and dyanmic of an OS does that count as not copying the OS ? does that not infringe on the creators work?

this is not so clear cut an dry.

but not following prudence is what Geohotz or failoverflow have done. an if Sony does go forth an get this case to be set in precedent which i hope they do.It will mean that Sony is going to do what is only viable going forward. make sure if it's going to be set that everyone the consumer and company's knows the rules now an that if anyone can bypass your Software security an tell everyone how to do it an be able to do it with out no protection's for the people that make the hardware with system software pre-installed.

Than from now on ;they may want to make sure that would not be allowed if the OS came un-installed sealed and that a EULA was attached to it.

that seems is the only way your going to be able to protect your right's as a software company. atleast the best you can.

[Hayabusa 117]

Ok, so how many of guys have cracked software on your PC's?

Or downloaded a pirated film?

Or music?

[divideby0]

I hope I can visit him in jail...I'd have the same smirk on my face looking at him while he is behind bars. Thats if he can break free from Bubba his new 450 lb cell mate, who has taking a liking to him

[ilovemyps3]

when we see all the hate against Sony, in USA, with every website and every reviewer there always trying to kill ps3 games, with shitty scores, so xbox360 (american product) wins and sells better, i really wonder if sony will be able to condamn geohot to pay 1$.

when you see the same game on both consoles, beeing reviewed, exactly the same graphics, sound, etc, the reviewer will still give a better score to the xbox version, because, the room's temperature and the water had a better taste while playing on xbox, leading to a overall better experience on the microsoft console, therefore the xbox version gets a 95, where the ps3 only gets a 94.

They should always write at the end of their reviews " please get the xbox version, because it's american and we need to support american products, not japanese ones"

[hot111]

"But if using Twitter or Facebook is enough to bring a case to San Francisco, “the entire universe would be subject to my jurisdiction,” the judge told the Sony attorney about his argument."

Come on Sony,sue the entire universe

[SpinalRemains138]

Hate to say it, but we as consumers need hackers in a way.
Big corporations have been screwing the public for decades. As a consumer I want the most I can get out of my product. Guys who write code and create great fly by night programs are very valuable depending on what system you're using. Whether it be a WinMo phone or an iPhone or whatever. ALL the big corporations know very well that there is a huge risk of piracy when they decide to invest in the market of gaming machines. It's a known risk. It's part of the business. Get over it, guys. The internet is here and it's rampant with thieves and bad guys. If you don't condone the use of hacking then don't do it. At the same time, it isn't right for any of you to judge anyone else and claim that hackers are some sort of evil villians. You sound like hypocrites. No one is perfect and all ppl have the natural ability to behave selfishly. No matter how hard you wish for it to all go away, it never will. Power to the people!

[Silverwolf]

Geohot is a douche.... You want to hack anything keep it to yourself, you're not neo I could care less if you take the red or blue pill you douche! Now us guys who like to earn our trophies and ranks have to deal with the little wet vaginas like geohot who hack the system and kill the fun for everyone else.

[Thabass]

AKA: The judge has no flipping idea what she is talking about and wants someone else to judge the case.

Smartest judge I have ever seen.

[GamingNtek]

what a douche!!!

[Frosted]

I see a movie coming out of all this this :P. Hackers 2

[NicSage]

I just do not understand why Sony does not have an agreement when you boot the console up the first time that it says if you release any type of hidden or detrimental actions against the playstation console or brand, Sony can take legal action against you.

This would be releasing codes or hacking the console.

Wouldn't that fix this solution?

[Troll-without-Bridge]

Thats the state of justice over the united states, even blatant contract breaches like this one goes away unpunished.

[denero1]

he never signed up for psn lmao funny right -_- so i guess because he never signed up he isn't within sonys rules

and sony can't have you agree to anything with out first accepting

[The_Illusive_Man]

the code allows players to pay pirated software i know in the uk or austrailia he would be arrested and fined up to £400000 and $200000 dont america have proper anti priate laws or somthing

[KingDustero]

The laws in America are horrible. We basically protect those who are doing things illegal.

This idiot has stole the private security key of the PS3,which is owned by Sony, and PUBLISHED on the internet. Developers have to PAY Sony to use their key to get games to run on the PS3.

He has obviously done something illegal and should already locked up and completely broke.

He is the reason piracy and hacks online will now happen on the PS3.

However the US law is basically trying to protect him, which is just retarded.

I really hate being an American. Are laws are HORRIBLE.

Anyways I'm pretty sure SCEE and SCEJ can also sue him, which would mean he could be tried by European and Japanese laws.

In the end though this kid is screwed.

[Guitardr85]

This is too bad. He may have not have done anything illegal yet, but you know it will happen. Its like carrying a concealed weapon, you may not have shot anyone yet, but there is still no reason to have one on you...

[RyuDrinksTheDew]

if he can beat Apple, he can beat Sony.

dont care either way, just saying.

[kung-fu-grip]

Once the hackers are in, they're in. There's nothing Sony can really do. Did people really think a simple firmware update would end it. The gate is wide open now.

[bigtits]

Nope, sure not, but man these hackers are annoying. Shoving their pretentious ass down our throat with their homebrew excuse. And look what we got. We got people exploiting their hack and fucking up lobbies like MW2. Sure it's not their fault, but the result is far more negative by effecting the honest users, just so these people can enjoy their homebrew apps.