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DVD Forum approves 'bigger than Blu-ray' HD DVD

The DVD Forum, the international DVD standards authority, has approved a 51 GB single-sided triple-layer HD DVD disc for production. Extension to the HD DVD standard, which was submitted by Toshiba in April, received approval on 31 August 2007. Other recent developments include...

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bung tickler6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

...cuz that other tard wouldnt edit his news properly. so here it is as it should be.

ktchong6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

...and this story makes that Nasim psycho's one into a "Duplicate Story".

ShiftyLookingCow6075d ago

for that kind of abuse, its already duplicate story for me

ktchong6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

I can't see what you're saying because you have ONE bubble left! N4G automatically puts everyone with one bubble on ignore.

Your Truly,
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nasim6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

HD DVD camp has done this to fight the launch of 100 gigabyte Blue Ray disc by TDK this fall.

However bad news come with this good news for existing HD DVD owners too.

The existing HD DVD players would not be able to play the upcoming triple layered HD DVDs so existing owners would have to purchase a new HD DVD drive if they are interested on this.

**********PEOPLE report this story as duplicate since it has been posted by POSTED to hide the fact that existing HD DVD players wouldnt be able to play the triple layered disks

BTW TDK announced at CES last year that their 100gig BD would be playable on existing Blue Ray Drives...so this is again good news for BD camp but very bad news for HD DVD camp

BTW :- 100 gig Blu-ray drive was manufactured way back in 2005. It just needs an approval of SONY to get released

http://www.afterdawn.com/ne...

current HD DVD add ons wont play the 51gig disc BTW

cuco336074d ago

u got to stop man. u annoy everyone on here with your apparent hatred for the format that appears to be making big moves. seems like you are afraid that there's a chance your BD will go the way of betamax.

as for what you said, as usual, it's all BS. as of now no one knows if the TL51 disks will play on gen1 or gen2 players but unlike the BDA group, the Toshiba camp is smart and I think all that is needed is a simple firmware upgrade and voila, TL51 disks play on these players. note, WHO NEEDS 50GB FOR MOVIES?!?! it's a pissing contest. go and pray that sony can get it's BD50 disks manufactured better than the rumored 20% yield meaning for every 100 disks made only 20 are good while the other 80 are bad. sure yields get better with time but like i said from the get go, WHO NEEDS 50GB FOR MOVIES?!?!?!

i'm going to end there. but i'ld like you to show me how a movie needs this disk space

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bung tickler6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

that story is tainted by fanboy retardation. this news does deserve to be posted but in a proper manner. thats why i reposted it here. no where in the news does it say that the new disks wont work with 1st/2nd gen hd dvd players. in fact i bet that toshiba had to show that the disks would work on older players in order for them (the dvd forum) to appove it. however there is no official statement yet so i dont really know. just like none of you know. so to say for sure one way of the other is just dumb.

Lord Anubis6075d ago

you see it does require new hardware to play triple layer discs because the wave is not strong enough to penetrate to the third layer. Even though you may not like it, you will be forced to buy a new HD-DVD player.

Maddens Raiders6075d ago (Edited 6075d ago )

save your breath dude. If the Round freakin' Peg approved 'it' it must be right and worthy of acceptance. You can bet that he would extend this same time of 'empathy' on a pro blu-ray story. Right. Oh, what's that? We need a new player?...so what HD-DVD, HD-DVD, HD-DVD forever!...pathetic. Just Pathetic..

Ahh, stupid ass little _bots are ridiculous -- anything they can find for a slight edge, when this does absolutely NOTHING for them at ALL..hahah. I can't wait for Halo3 day to come so they'll get the hell outta here like they did when Gears & Bioshock launched. Oh yeah.....nevermind....they'll still be here. 8D

btw - will this technology be used in the next Box launched? And if so is that Box launching in Q1 2008 or 2Q 2008?

WilliamRLBaker6074d ago

and anubis yet again you never provide proof where is this magical proof that triple layer 51 gig hd dvd discs wont play in current hd dvd players? *and yet blu ray 100 gigers can? when they are sporting what 4-5 layers?*

Untill you provide written proof that the current crop and past crop of hd dvd players cannot play the future triple layers, then the article and Bloody is right.

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Jdash246075d ago

one gig more doesnt do anything, and basically makes toshiba lose all adopters to date because all the players are now obsolete

ArduousAndy6075d ago

blu-ray players that are g1 are now obsolete since they can not play some of the features that are going to be available in Pixars Cars br-dvd?

jackdoe6075d ago

Some of the Blu-ray players may be able to get firmware updates, but yeah, that's what happens to early adopters. You get screwed over. Happened with DVD adopters as well.

Jdash246075d ago

you got a good point but the blu ray players can get a firmware update, while as the hd dvd players have new hardware which means you have to buy a new machine which screws all who already bought one(including the hd dvd add on for the 360)

Daishi6074d ago

I hope everyone who owns a BR player has one that connects to the internet because then they should be fine. Those that might have skimped out and got a cheaper player will regret it sooner or later. On the other hand, I don't see how necessary 50 or 100 gigs is needed unless your talking about putting an entire season of a show on one disc. Good future promise but it's all a "wait and see" premise until they stop making normal dvds IMO.

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Bloodmask6075d ago

Now there is no reason to go with Bluray. HDDVD is cheaper to produce. And will have even more space than a Bluray disk.

HDDVD also offers more interactive features with U-control. And is available in combo disks with one side HDDVD and the other side DVD-9. Which is really a great feature bc you can play all your HDDVDs on your standard DVD players. No reason to upgrade all the players in your house at once.

xplosneer6075d ago

That that's with three layer vs only 2 on Blu Ray, and that a 3 layered blu Ray would just stop that first point. the other two you have a point of.

nekon6075d ago

Actually they already had quad layer blu-ray discs at 25GB per layer (100GB).. Not to mention there's been talk of both TDK and Sony having 6-8 layer discs from 200GB+. The thing is Hitachi showcased a 100GB 4 layer disc early this year and it plays on CURRENT Blu-ray players unlike this new HD-DVD disc.

xplosneer6075d ago

I was trying to make a point of.

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4me26075d ago

... makes disk more expensive to produce .. so 3L HD is not cheaper than 2layer BD

And for PC market 3-layer disks would make it even more expensive option.
For example compare prices of current DVD-R <Single Layer> to <Double Layer>

MrSwede6074d ago

Where did Bloodmask go? He should stick around to defend his comment now that the storage capacity has been sorted out. "Good news for the HDDVD camp", how´s that? You like spending money on new players that can actually use the extra storage?

synetic6074d ago

WRONG blu-ray disks are cheaper to produce

While some corporate sources claim HD DVD is "lower cost" to reproduce, a study performed by Home Media Magazine (August 5, 2007) reveals this is no longer the case. Quotes from several disc manufacturers for 25,000 units of HD DVDs and Blu-rays revealed a price differential of only 5–10 cents. (Lowest price: 90 cents versus 100 cents. Highest price: $1.45 versus $1.50.

beavis4play6074d ago

if hd-dvd is cheaper then why do retail discs cost more than blu-ray?

DeadIIIRed6074d ago

Something tells me that you're on Microsoft's pay (t)roll. You sound like an ignorant commercial rather than an ignorant fan boy (i.e. theMART & POG).

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power of Green 6075d ago

I can hear Nasim saying

(Men in Black "BUG")Saying: OOOHHHHHH YOU IDIOTS" HD-DVD Don't matter! matter of fact HD-DVD won't even be matter!. *Space ship bug failed excape scene*.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 7h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle18h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188115h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio15h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7710h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga18h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv724h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218317h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga16h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan12h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit4h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2310h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7210h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10120h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos20h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-10h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac19h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10119h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic17h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead10h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

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thorstein1d 6h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno1d 2h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k41d 1h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson1d ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu1d 1h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson1d ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -

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This Gigabyte GPU is now among the cheapest RTX 4090s on Amazon after a hefty deal

On Amazon, you can't get an RTX 4090 for less than this one from Gigabyte, which now offers great value after an eye-catching April deal.

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