Christopher Dring speaks to Microsoft’s European VP of Interactive Entertainment about Kinect.
MCV: How does this campaign compare to the launch of Xbox 360?
Chris Lewis: It is different in terms of the type of consumers that we are looking to connect with. That said, we are still committed to the core gamer. That is the audience that defined us. It is not about moving from the core to the broad. It is about ‘and’ not ‘or’. Halo: Reach, Fable III and Gears of War are fabulous blockbuster titles for that audience and there will be more to come.
GameCentral talks to the head of Xbox in Europe about always-online, second-hand games, and whether gaming is still Microsoft’s primary focus.
of course you may support them, but how will you support them is the question, and how this used game fee works
In what other business is it Ok to make a profit on the same product 2,3,4,5 times. Hell one disc could be sold 10 times and these clowns are laughing.
hmmm so again the question is how this will used games work/fees?
Well at least this was good to hear.
"Because I then think you’re going to be blown away by the sheer breadth and depth of cinematic games that are coming for Xbox One. So are we in anyway de-focusing there? Wow, no. The opposite. But do we know we have to be excellent in all classes of entertainment in order to achieve our vision? Yes. Will we achieve that? Yes."
-Just prove it.
I guess you people got me wrong. All I was saying is they WILL support used games but with fees, because it means profit for them. That's it.
@WalterWJR - Ummm software has been and always will be that way. The "used game fee" that everyone is talking about is simply a license to use that software. We have no clue how much it is, how it will be tacked on or if any of it goes back to the developers.
No other software provider allows you to install their software multiple times without paying for an additional license, so why do we expect that of games.
@broli4000
A lot of gamers don't understand that games are software. They think that you're actually buying the disc, when in fact, you are buying the software and (perhaps most importantly) the license to use it. If they read the EULA that comes with games, they would see this.
Unfortunately, this is a case of willful ignorance and an adversity to change. We have had it good for a long time in terms of distributing and reselling games in a manner that we really shouldn't have been doing. I mean, it kinda sucks, but now that technology exists to manage this, publishers will implement it and protect their product.
Broli how has software always been like this?? are you trying to justify your purchase for an xbox one. You are getting confused between pure didgital content and something physical.
If I buy a car, decide I don't like it and sell it on, The manufacture does not get a percentage of the next sale! If Microsoft want to go down this rout then they should remove the disc completely.
@broli4000 & Creatchee
You are both wrong. Ownership of a video game disc is license to play the game. It's always been that way. Microsoft is trying to change it, but it won't work; the market will kill the Xbox rather than allow that to happen.
No one wants to install the game to their HDD. They want to own the game that pay for. That is what they have always had.
This stuff about the license being non-transferable and the fee being for a new license is nonsense. If the fee is for the second license the original owner still has the right to play the game after he sells the disc, right? The publishers don't want that do they? Of course not, this whole argument is BS and everyone knows it.
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it is good to see you bubblefishing but losing them at the sametime.
anyway, just read the interview. everything is still clear as mud
"anyway, just read the interview. everything is still clear as mud"
I hope you realise what you just said or are being sarcastic. "clear as mud"..... you are a fool, mud isn't clear LOOOL
And how I'm I bubble fishing? ANother fool who knows that what I said is most likely right
what else could "clear as mud" mean? ofcouse i was being sarcastic... nothing is clear!!
bubblefishing is your what you do. lurking the pending section to post first in every m$/$ony thread.
o love letter in the sony ones and usual rant in the xbox threads..
contradicting reports from microsoft employees and their PR team is starting to get on my nerves. get your sh*t together.
the interviewer was spot on when he said " But I do think that Microsoft is making a mistake by not clearing the air on these subjects as soon as possible. Because I think the longer you leave it the more you leave yourself open to speculation and conspiracy."
Well if you've been paying attention they are obviously still revising their policy, so why make anymore fragmented statements before you've finalized what your policy will be. Its not a simple thing cause Im sure they have to balance the agreements they have in place with partners/publishers vs feedback from their fanbase. Anyways speculation is overrated especially so far from launch, hell I'm still speculating what exactly is the situation for used games on ps4? If the fees are up to publisher's, is there a standard fee? Will sony games have a fee? Is it only for online multiplayer? Funny how none are concerned about questions unanswered from sony but are sooo concerned with micros policy....people speculate all the time, which can easily be put to rest with solid facts.
people are concerned about microsoft because they said they will block used games, then they said they won't, then they said yeah we will and you have to pay to install on another account, then they said something about retailers and used games costing £35 etc... whereas sony already said that used games can play on ps4 ( http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... ) sure they didn't say if there will be conditions or a fee associated with that but atleast everyone working on the ps4 are on the same wavelength
Where exactly did micro say they would "block used games"?
Everything I'm reading about "Xbox One/Used Games" says something very similar to this:
Xbox UK marketing director:
“We are building the Xbox One to support the trading and re-selling of used games. We are working through the policies of how that will work right now, but we will not block used games.”
Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-...
-Again so the question isn't will they block used games, the question is how much will the used games cost 2nd hand/friends/sharing etc?= It also should be noted that micros current official statements say they are working on different scenarios= (most certainly because of the backlash) which means nothing is set in stone. Whats so hard to understand about them saying the issue/details ARE NOT SETTLED YET so wait for further clarification over the next couple of weeks (E3). So its really just your own impatience pissing you off, a normal adult would make his position on the subject clear and then just wait for something official then complain or praise accordingly.
Also like I said before its very hypocritical to sit there an act like sony has been crystal clear on this issue in fact just reading the posts on n4g, (go back look at n4g threads regarding sonys used game policy since X1 presentation) their position went from many sonys fans taking Yoshida's comments as sony will NOT have ANY form of DRM, to no sony fans thinking they would= twitter campaign specifically against them, I mean why would that no ps4 drm twitter campaign have so many sony fans behind it if sony has been clear that there wouldn't be any drm restrictions? Now I guess the story is sony will leave it up to publishers/online passes???? I'm not sure what their strategy is but frankly its a cop out, 'cause its sony's platform I understand publishers carry a lot of weight they could take a stand and if they are unwilling to it just means publishers are pressuring sony so the end result will be the same, publishers will impose a fee if they can but either way that opens up a lot of questions itself, yet none of you are concerned= double standards on n4g are comical.
Dammit MS...Just say it!
its either MS is trolling everybody, or they don't know shit!
Translation: We will support second-hand games by applying fees and controlling every aspect of it by making everything go through us! fixed
That way you only get One choice :)
EuroGamer - While Sony strutted its stuff at Gamescom through the power of a press conference, Microsoft walked a more modest path with a Play Day event, with hands-on opportunities of a raft of Xbox 360 exclusive games including Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, Gears of War 3 and Forza 4.
At the same time Microsoft issued a press release, detailing the games due for release for Xbox 360 over the next 12 months and reiterating its promise to have the number one game console worldwide.
Hcg Activator has taken rather a hit of late. You may reckon that I'm the south end of a north bound donkey provided that it has been inflicted upon critics. These are slow times for Hcg Activator. I could admit I have http://hcgactivatorreviews....
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Microsoft may have denied that the Xbox was designed as “a Trojan Horse to entertainment” 10 years ago, but now they’re “unapologetic” that the 360 is moving far beyond just gaming, says EU Xbox boss Chris Lewis.
"But I’m very pleased that we listened to what consumers want, and that we’ve built online functionality into the architecture of Xbox and that we future-proofed in that way,” he continued"
Ok guys.....own up
Who wanted the 360 to turn out the way it is now...even though back in it's early days the 360 was a pure hardcore gaming console which amazed us with every core title announced. Who would want to change that.
I sure didn't and judging from a lot of comments on here and other websites that no one else did.
I mean "I’m very pleased that we listened to what consumers want"......we want core exclusives games which will blow us all away again. Exclusives show that you actually care about your console and your loyal fanbase....so Microsoft, where are they ?
they were refering to the original Xbox of 10 years ago.
I'm loving my 360 and kinect. I still have a hella fun time playing my hardcore games, yet kinect is damned fun. It will be interesting to see where it goes in the future.
MS/Xbox only real mistake in my eyes was not putting HD-DVD drives into the 360 at launch and not having an arcade system.
no little boy,
however a mistake it was, it was still just that. Most likely, rushing the product.
I refered to them not putting HD-DVD in at the atart as poor planning.
i can stay stuff to lil boy. sony was over priced, 599.99/600.00 forced d/l just to play a game b/c it cant keep up with 360 otherwise. PSN down for 2 months. wow. Im just saying?
no move on. enough butt hurt fanboyism.
How can a sonyfanboy speak for all 360 fans?
Sure everybody loves more exclusives but its not like there aren't any hardcore exclusives coming real soon and its also NOT forbidden to enjoy all the great multiplats available and coming....don't speak as if 360 gamers have just been sitting around crying for something to play, I own both and I'm not going to sit here a hate on ps3 exclusives released so far but frankly none of them have the legs to keep me playing, I still game on my 360 most of the time due to friends/preference in games, quality over quantity its very subjective so to each his own, but stop acting like sony has all these tons of great exclusives and 360 doesn't have.
I guess Xgamer thinks hes the only adult on N4G Lol, not everyone is a kid/teen fanboy on here but you are sure acting like one.
@JokesOnYou:
LOL how am I a Sony fanboy, I'm a gamer plain and simple I praise who ever is doing better....that's the whole point of what praise is.
Sony are doing better this year in terms of supporting hardcore gamers and learning from their past mistakes (look at the PSV...that says it all).
People like you are the reason why no body on this site can voice their own opinions because they are scared of being called a "fanboy" or a "troll" but to be honest do you actually know what a fanboy is. It would be differen't if I said in my comments something along the lines of "Xbox sucks balls, SONY is the best in every single way, they're perfect" THEN you can call me a fanboy but to point out where a company is wrong.....well I'm sorry but thats not a fanboy that's just a concerned gamer who isn't blinded by a companys lie. How many times have your heard them say "Core games are coming" only in the next article you see the title reads "Microsoft opens 2 family/kinect Studios"
At the end of the day people only say that about another person on here when their opinion is differen't from the one who is saying it. So I'm guessing your a fan of Microsoft....it's cool if your so blind by their lies and want to just eat up any crap they throw your way but at the end of the day I'm a gamer I care about my needs and Sony is offering them to me so I'll tend to praise them more.
I'm still going to get Gears of War 3, the Halo Combat Evolved HD remake and even Forza 4 but to be honest having only those games for their loyal fanbase this year prooves that they care more about moeny and Kinect then they do with core gamers.
@JokesOnYou - Urgh a 360 fanboy trying to defend Microsoft and uses the "I both consoles approach" so he dosen't get called a fanboy himself. Typical...
"but stop acting like sony has all these tons of great exclusives and 360 doesn't have. "
Haha, wheres Microsofts answer to LittleBigPlanet, Mod Nation Races, God of War, Uncharted, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, Ratchet & Clank etc
If they cared that much Microsoft would of tried and made a game that would comptete with one of Sonys titles. But they havent, they know theres idiots like you who will defend them even though they technically are in the wrong. Sony are pleasing gamers this year and that is all people should care about but instead there are idiots saying "Microsoft will come around", sorry but they aren't and it's time to move on if you really want to get your gaming fix.
You claim you are not a fanboy, but your entire conversation is a slant:
***I'm still going to get Gears of War 3, the Halo Combat Evolved HD remake and even Forza 4 but to be honest having only those games for their loyal fanbase this year prooves that they care more about moeny and Kinect then they do with core gamers.***
How does only providing you with a few games prove MS only cares about money? Clearly you already formed your opinion based on something else?
If they only cared about money, wouldn't they give you as many games as possible to profit from you? Wouldn't they go with the annual release and the milking?
***At the end of the day people only say that about another person on here when their opinion is differen't from the one who is saying it.***
No, it is the way you say it. Why are "exclusives" so important?
As a real gamer, I would only care about games, not "exclusive" games. How about posting an opinion with well rounded reasoning backing it.
***So I'm guessing your a fan of Microsoft....it's cool if your so blind by their lies and want to just eat up any crap they throw your way but at the end of the day I'm a gamer I care about my needs and Sony is offering them to me so I'll tend to praise them more. ***
You are a "concerned gamer"? Do anyone see the irony in that statement? Your statement is disagreement, labeling and then attack!
Good job being one of the people you disclaim above.
Bottom line, there is a way to ask neutrally instead of injecting baseless accusations without proof and all around spewing hatred.
All I have to say to you is reflect on this:
http://arstechnica.com/scie...
I really hate how if you say anything or give any opinion that doesn't favor the 360 in a good light, you instantly get called a Sony/PS3 fanboy. I got called one yesterday for saying that the PS3 had a couple of games that were looking pretty good this fall by someone who I literally hook up with on Live for a few games from the forums last week lol . He sent me a PM apologizing about that but still....Hate how messed up this gen is.
Stop playing the the middle ground card. You, like many posters of your "denomination", have gone from standing firm to playing the victim and "I have both" cards, because it gets you bubbles from mods, even though the users here see right through your sudden "change of heart"
About 20-30 million original Xbox 360 owners, such as myself, bought a system that was about games. Bar-none. Exclusive games, multiplats, downloadable titles....it had everything down tight. But today, it caters to the casual gamer and barely acknowledges us. Sure, they throw us Halo and Gears once in a while...whoopdedoo. Dead Rising 2 a multiplat, Crackdown 2 a 10-month-dev-time bust, halo became ODST and remaster (both with repackaged MP) and a heavily COD-influenced full release....I remember these games' prequels were like the PINNACLE of this generation in their time.
Now let's come to the present. Yes, you, too. Come along. LittleBigPlanet redefines console user creation (even becoming a way that many new employees were hired, who the gamers' praised for their creations), Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2/3 and GOD3 became and still are graphical benchmarks (And darn good games besides), many more multiplats are on the platform than before - even managing to tie or beat many of them in graphics and polish, and temporary downloadable XBLA titles are coming to PSN by the truck-full.
I'd go as far as to say this; As a GAMING PLATFORM, PS3 is more early Xbox 360 than the Xbox 360 ever was. Exclusives, multiplats, downloadable titles....PS3 has them all.
So go ahead, pretend like every disgruntled xbox 360 owner is a "ps3 fanboy"...but you're only fooling yourself.
So It was An Unreliable Piece of Hardware Pretending To be A Qaulity Built Product...for $400 at launch, Good Job ..... Fool me once shame on you, Fool Me a 8th Xbox Replacement, and pay $60 to play online Multiplayer, Shame On my Mutha F*****G Stupid A$$
I have both consoles (and a gaming pc), i don't care about exclusives or how many there are for each console, I just play games (exclusives or multiplat, i dont care)
lmao @ " why are exclusives so important anyway "
oh ummm .. idk maybe because it plays 1 of the most major roles in picking a console ?
who wants a console with no exclusives when the other has some? really .
Okay you talking about how PS3 got hacked imagine if it was the 360 that got hack that bad. Don't say the 360 can't get hacked because it can. I mean at least us PS3 owners were still able to use netflix even tho PSN was down now if it was the 360 you weren't going to be able to use it at all. It was overpriced because Blu-Ray at that time was overpriced which is in the PS3 so they needed a way to make money so it started at about $600 if it wasn't priced at $600 they would have began to start losing too much money. Now look at it 249.99 for 160gb PS3 is going places my friend. Not going to lie tho Live seems better I never played on Xbox Live but you pay for it so i'm not tripping for what I get for free.
As though this site speaks for 360 gamers. Half of 360 exclusive sell as crappy and most of the PS3 exclusive. To just keep making crappy games that few play is just a stupid business model. If M$ focus their $ on 'Vampior Rain and 'Crackdown', they deserve to find themselves in the red. These few fans on the internet crying for exclusives in high numbers, to have braging rights, really don't matter in the big picture. Sales are what matter. Halo, Gears, COD, GTA, The Elder Scrolls... are games you want on your system, not LBP and 'Motor Storm Clones.
There are a few 360 owners that might fall for that more exclusive = better support crap. But most of us prefer that M$ keep the great 3rd party happy, so that we get to play the best games made in the industry, and that they continue to keep XBL the truly pleasent and useful service that it is.
360 is just very comfortable to use and most people I know, who use the 360, would just go back to it if it dies or was stolen. They don't care if another console has a game with prettier graphics. They just want to play their games and chat with their buddies and just have everything just work so that their time spent is as pleasent as it has been for these many years.
The 3rd party are Sony's to loose. They had them all since the PS1. M$ has courted them on to the Xbox by showing them how to make money on the system. By giving them the tools to get their games to market performing smoothly, with a lot less effort; but providing a market place, where they could make more content or create small budget games to sell to their fanbase. When you see M$ start to loose their fanbase in the Americas and UK, then you will be able to show they are not supporting the base. Until then, you guys are just blowing hot air.
Thanks guys, all of ya. A real entertaining topic. Its all about the games and choice. More games means more choice. Whether people will themselves NOT to like sony ms or nintendos exclusives is their own dumb business. If youre not into kinect right now you have to rely on multiplats and a few good core exclusives. With sony you too get the mutiplats PLUS more choice by means of exclusives. IF you have a wii...whatever but the exclusives are still there. Im more core than casual so i prefer sony's offering AND more importantly their DIRECTION.
Well said mart@ xboxkings, im sure that musta pained a little but whatever at least NOBODY in their right mind can call you a sony 'loyalist', fanboy or whatever. Ill link to your comment to remind some if this topic ever pops up again. If you can admit ms's shift why cant they. Doesnt matter that you prefer your 360. People shouldnt deny that there are women out there that just are more attractive than their own. just saying
My god xgamer
I just felt like a blast from the past so I checked your comment history. I have to say that it's ALL there. The entire consolewar from the perspective of a winning x360 fanboy.
You people want to know how it was in the early days of this gen? Educate yourself with xgamer's comment history. It's all there. PS3 doom and FUD. It's quite entertaining.
@gamingdroid: you don't care about exclusive? Think of it this way: multiplat games are on every system, exclusive games are for only 1 system. So exclusives games are considered to be what make that system different to the others. Number of game for 1 system = no. of multiplat + no. of exclusive. The system with more exclusives of course has more games. You said you only care about games, not exclusives. Really? Don't you like having more games, i mean HARDCORE games?
@Dmarc
Exclusives are important, but there's many other things like the controllers (personal preference but I much prefer the 360 ones), price, the cross-game chat, better online features, etc.
I'm not saying exclusives aren't a big deal, and PS3 certainly has more big exclusives, but I can understand why it's not the defining factor for some people.
I'm happy with the Xbox 360 as it is, because my gaming has never been about exclusives.
It's about enjoying games the way I like it and Xbox 360 does just that with online gaming that connects me with friends over multiple platforms and has both party system and cross game chat.
In fact, the Xbox 360 turned into what I wish my HTPC did and more and more I don't need the HTPC. Gaming isn't at the center of my life, it is just part of it like other forms of entertainment.
I think there is at best a very small section of gamers that is displeased and very vocal or just plain and simple fanbois.
I'm a gamer. I like games. The 360 is within my budget right now, and there are some games on it that I'd want to play.
But their current focus doesn't intrigue me. The games I'm most interested in on 360 are games that have been out for years, and Gears 3.
Microsoft has shown to me that the future of their console isn't what I want in my gaming. Nintendo is in the same boat, denying the North American release of titles I'd like to see. And I have no desire to support companies that won't be supporting my gaming.
So I have a PS3 only. Does that make me a fanboy? I don't want to pay for online play. Does that make me a fanboy? I don't want to HAVE to use motion controls for my games. Does that make me a fanboy?
***If they cared that much Microsoft would of tried and made a game that would comptete with one of Sonys titles. But they havent, they know theres idiots like you who will defend them even though they technically are in the wrong.***
So now, opinions are in the wrong? Maybe we are happy with CoD, Halo, Forza, Gears, Kinect and so on. If not there are other options....
***Sony are pleasing gamers this year and that is all people should care about but instead there are idiots saying "Microsoft will come around", sorry but they aren't and it's time to move on if you really want to get your gaming fix. ***
So there are no games on the Xbox 360 therefore Sony is the only one providing a "gaming fix"?
What if I don't care about any exclusives that Sony has, but want Gears 3? No amount of other games matters to my gaming fix then, does it?
***Haha, wheres Microsofts answer to LittleBigPlanet, Mod Nation Races, God of War, Uncharted, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, Ratchet & Clank etc***
You are clearly just defending your own ilk while pretending to stay on higher ground. Why would MS have to respond to Sony? MS offers something, if you like it buy it, or move on. I believe consumers have a choice and they have chosen....
Hicken below you have a reasonable response and as he finds the way Xbox is heading isn't for him, but he doesn't come off as a d!ck that pretends to be objective.
***"I have more bubbles then you so my opinion will always be right***
I don't have to as opinions aren't facts. There is no right or wrong. However, bubbles do give an indication of something else....
@Hicken:
***So I have a PS3 only. Does that make me a fanboy? I don't want to pay for online play. Does that make me a fanboy? I don't want to HAVE to use motion controls for my games. Does that make me a fanboy?***
That is perfectly fine and that doesn't make you a fanboy in my eyes. You don't try to push/force your opinion on others and you have good reasons for choosing a PS3.
It's when you start go into unrelated articles, start spouting nonsense about displeasure while telling people that your platform of choice is superior and then attacking others.
Xbox 360 isn't superior, neither is PS3 or PC. It's different and pick what works for you.
"I'm happy with the Xbox 360 as it is, because my gaming has never been about exclusives"
But games, right?
Because "multiplats + Exclusives" are better than "multiplats and Kinect" any day.
And it's always funny to see super-active N4G posters pretend to "not be a gamer....gaming isn't my life, yay Netflix, etc"
@Mr Space
A fanboy is: Some who keeps talking about exclusives, defending their console. Trash talking other consoles and its library of games. Comparing exclusives to the rival exclusive library.
A gamer: They don't care if there are exclusives or not, they play whatever games that is available or whatever they think is fun/want to play
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As a x360/ps3/pc owner, I dont care about exclusives nor multiplats. I just play games, it doesnt matter for me if it is exclusive or not.
ofcourse your happy with the xbox gamingdroid
if xbox some how stop getting multiplat support you would still be happy . you would come up with something like " im fine playing the old games already on xbox " and try to use some twisted logic to make multiplats seem unnecesary
stay optimistic it looks good on you :)
now click that show comment button to see this ignored comment because you dont like to see the truth
@ ilikegames talking about exclusives and comparing similar exclusives against each other dont make you a fanboy...
@dmarc...so, because he is content with his xbox as is he is just being blindly optimistic? He prefers his xbox to your ps3. Perhaps, gasp, he is not interested in any of the exclusives on the ps3 or isn't interested in enough of them to justify a purchase. He wants to play GOW3 and pay 60 dollars a year for live? Fine, he is not sapping the enjoyment out of you and your exclusives. That is his choice. It is not harming anyone and your judgment of him is overly harsh and uncalled for.
You are being disgustingly presumptuous of his stance on the xbox. Arguing that he would still support it even if there were no multiplatform titles coming to the console is just ridiculous and you hardly know him well enough to make that argument. Grow up.
@mrspace...where in droids argument did he claim that his opinion was superior because he had more bubbles? You look like more of a dick for calling him out for something he isn't guilty of.
@gamingdroid...I really think that there is a wider variety of reasons for people complaining about the 360 than just a few vocal customers of fanboys. That oversimplifies a wide range of people.
ummm nah .. i wasnt basing my comment off that 1 comment but more towards gamingdroid attitude in general
hell if u ask me xbox has enough exclusives not a lot but itl do
but thanks for asking and not just assuming what i meant .. well sorta asking ... minus all of the assumptions and what not
well there goes all my comment bubbles
so long until next time :)
This is a conversation that Whitelightning initiated with me not too long ago. He decided to make a claim that he couldn't back up with evidence. I called him out on it and he decided to PM me with his explanation. His explanation was still wrong, and I told him so. He decided to reply with an inane comment repeating what he had said earlier, and then he blocked me before I could reply.
http://img845.imageshack.us...
That link is the print screen of the PM that took place.
For anyone who thinks that Whitelightning is just a gamer, think again. I am sorry to say that I have spent enough time on this website to know who is a fanboy and who is not. Perhaps Whitelightning does not know it himself, but he rarely ever comments about anything without showing blatant bias against Xbox and favoritism toward the Playstation.
Here is an individual whose mind is so devoid of logical reasoning that he is unable to recognize it.
I tried pointing it out to him, but he refused, and here again he is making claims he cannot back up. This time he thinks he can make the claim based on his frequent visits to other websites. Now that's just sad. I think he might be one of those fellows who leaves incendiary comments on youtube.
lmao you basically over analyzed " majority" and called your self calling him out ?
how the hell is he suppose to give evidence on how a majority feels ?
@kaveti6616
So basically, you disagree with him, and because of this you label him as an "individual whose mind is so devoid of logical reasoning that he is unable to recognize it"
Pathetic.
I wouldn't expect any of you to understand.
If you're siding with someone who is committing a basic logical fallacy, then you're certainly not the type of people I'm appealing to.
To claim that the majority of people don't want something requires evidence.
He's not providing any evidence.
For you to all defend him shows me that you guys are just like him.
You agree with his negative sentiments about a product and are willing to enclose yourselves in his little bubble of delusion.
While the product is extremely successful in the real world, you can all hide in this little bubble on this website and pretend that everything you believe is true.
That was... silly. You pretty much just tried to pick apart what he said- when there was nothing to pick apart- and then twist that to mean what you wanted it to.
The one missing the logic- both in that conversation and elsewhere- was and is obviously you. That you can't see it is even more proof.
If you hear more people speak up for something than against it, that marks A majority, if not THE majority: a majority of the people voicing their opinion are not in favor.
Simple, right?
Yes, Hicken. But you see, you need to prove what you're saying is true, otherwise your argument is not sound.
"The majority of people don't want multiplayer in Mass Effect 3. The majority of people don't like Kinect."
Neither of those statements has been backed up by evidence. Yet Whitelightning has made both of those claims and has received many agrees for it.
When I confronted him about it, he said that he observed the validity of his claim by reading comments on N4G and other websites.
That, however, is not an accurate sample of the population.
The way the 360 is criticized on this site, one would expect it to be selling very poorly, but it isn't.
When someone says, "The 360 is a piece of shit and is ruining gaming" that person may get many agrees on this website, but his claim is not proven to be true.
Saying that the majority of people don't like Kinect is an indefensible statement. Whitelightning hasn't shared any evidence that proves that statement true.
There is a reason why you can't cite forums and non-organizational websites as credible sources in formal essays and articles.
Whitelightning thinks that he is logical because a lot of people press the agree button. Thus, he is living in a bubble of delusion.
And Hicken, I've read your comment history as well. When I clicked on that red notification button and saw that it was you who had commented on something I wrote, I was a hundred percent certain of your stance.
@WhiteLightning "LOL how am I a Sony fanboy, I'm a gamer plain and simple I praise who ever is doing better....that's the whole point of what praise is."
-Look at your tone, you sound condesending and arrogant most of the time speaking as if you know what everybody wants, it doesn't take a genius to know we all want more games but you act as if we're all raving mad because we have to WAIT for some core exclusives, no we don't like it, we go to 360 forums and voice our opinions but we are playing games in the meantime.
@MrSpace, "Haha, wheres Microsofts answer to LittleBigPlanet, Mod Nation Races, God of War, Uncharted, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, Ratchet & Clank etc"
-LBP, MNR(lol) are casual games imo, kinect games are meant to cater to casuals who like those experiences, GoW/inFamous would have the same appeal as Alan Wake on 360= great games but without multiplayer its not going draw much attention from the mass 360 fanbase, R&C is on the same level as Crackdown= lots of fun, but not a major blockbuster title that 360 userbase will eat up. I'll just politely say Twisted Metal isn't on my radar, I don't think alot of consumers are anticipating a TM, but I could be wrong. I'd probably try it if its a XBLA title with a good price.
@ SilentNegotiator, "Stop playing the the middle ground card. You, like many posters of your "denomination", have gone from standing firm to playing the victim and "I have both" cards, because it gets you bubbles from mods, even though the users here see right through your sudden "change of heart""
-Nope no change of heart, still don't give a shii about bubbles, take 'em if you like....theres only a few like Alpha that generally deserve more than others, still the same guy who thinks most ps3 community on n4g are the worst arrogant, selfish, crybaby gamers in all of gaming, and YES still the same guy who heavily favors 360. -I don't mention I own a ps3 to "prove" I'm UNbiased, only that I have experience with it, said it before a 100x's, and I'll say it again ownership does not equal unbiased. In fact some of the worst 360 haters actually own a 360 and vice versa. Some are that deluded that they buy it to prove a point. lol, I'd be the 1st to tell you IAM BIASED, the only thing I did TRY to change for a longtime now is to stop letting myself get caught up with the BS this site promotes, you don't see me following any 1 particular product spewing BS about it, I TRY to make legit comments whenever I see fit, despite my preference, but either way I'm going to say what I think. If that makes me a fanboy so be it.
"I'd go as far as to say this; As a GAMING PLATFORM, PS3 is more early Xbox 360 than the Xbox 360 ever was."
-lol, NO, just no, the xbox brand was born out of Halo/shooters/online all of which the 360 continues its advantage in these areas, yes 360 has deversified from its xbox roots but 360 this gen has only strengthend its advantage in the shooter genre with Halo/Gears not only having record breaking commercial success but its also showed longevity with those titles making them super popular with a significant percentage of the 360 fanbase, ps3 even with KZ still does not have that exclusive shooter franchise on the same level as the games I just mentioned, also titles like COD/BF only further push 360's notariety as the shooter console by selling most on the 360 and being the preferred choice for online multiplayer games, like it or not and fortunately for microsoft other than sports games no other genre comes close to the popularity of shooters+online. Plenty of NEW DLC/XBLA titles. So yeah you can go as far as you like but NO the ps3 is not more like the early xbox/360.
I dont understand you. You hand pick games and compare tham against the only games ms have to offer. Your preference wasnt the problem people have with you jokes. Forget the oldskool super angry you,, im talking about the newskool who puts good comments together EVEN if i disagree with the content.
Isnt ms's direction slightly worrying...Honestly.. Im NOT going to crap on the few titles ms do have or lie about my preference to sony but you should at least acknowledge why some would be 'loyal' to sony...They keep bringing more games...12 more this year and thats nothing to be scoffed at. We can get MS to fix up unless we stand up together. I think they're taking the piss a little with their focus. Just being honest......oh some of your comparisons kinda suck dude. Good day to you anyway...you stood and made you points and if you dont mind your bubbles so much give em to me, ill gladly have em ;)
"I dont understand you. You hand pick games and compare tham against the only games ms have to offer."
-WTF are you talking about, I did not "hand pick" anything....every game I discuss are games that were brought up by others who directed their comments to me. I was asked what does micro have that compares to x game? The only game I didn't compare was UC because as I've said before UC2 to me is masterpiece and one of the truly different games that the ps3 has that 360 doesn't....the rest like I said there are similiar exclusives on the 360. They had opinions and asked me questions...I simply responded accordingly.
-You talk of "ms's direction" and ask if its slighty worrying, damm have you only cherry picked what I've said, because over and over again I've said I want to see more core games like anybody else, NOWHERE DID I SAY I'M OK WITH THEM ONLY FOCUSING ON KINECT, but I also don't believe thats true, but admittedly I want to see at least a 50/50 focus between core and casual, all I'm simply saying is its still my preferred console because YES I enjoy great multiplats and YES highly popular stuff like Gears3 is due out next month, with more to come, nothing against the ps3 it has some unique experiences that I like but even looking at this year the bread n' butter for me are on the 360= Gears3, Forza4, MW3+best online will consume all of my time until next summer, I will definitely make time for UC3 though. I'm wondering what 12 games you're talking about on ps3 and I don't know but I often see lists include stuff like MNR and everything under the sun for ps3, even announced stuff that doesn't materialize, yet kinect games don't count for 360. lol, Now again I don't think you're reading my comment, as a hardcore gamer first and foremost nothing in my comments says I want them to focus on kinect, I'd definitely like to see MORE core games with or without kinect and as I already said in my previous comment above if you have REAL concerns about micro's direction just go to proper 360 related forums and speak about it in a sensible way, many times WE have influenced things in this way= that's how "we stand up together" as you say.
I understand exactly what you mean, at the end of the day its not about how many games are exclusive to a platform, its how many fit you're preference. Clearly thats why you prefer 360. This is exactly why many multiplats(especially shooters) sell better than some exclusives because for the masses a thousand Alan Wakes and LBP's dont mean squat if you're not interested in them. Still to sony's credit pumping out many great games is better for all gamers including hardcore folks like us who like exclusives and multiplats.
@ 4Sh0w
" Still to sony's credit pumping out many great games is better for all gamers including hardcore folks like us who like exclusives and multiplats."
I think you mean "pumping out many games". There have been a lot of exclusive games pumped out by Sony that are way below the bar of "greatness". Just because a game is exclusive doesn't mean it's great.
dude, im not expecting you to regurgitate everything you've said for or against ms's direction in every comment just like you wouldn't expect me to sift through every one of your comments just to find it even though this would of probably of been the a good article to state that but that's me being petty and yeah i didnt know who you were replying to because your seemed strange..my bad. When I said cherry picked what I should of been saying was you should of been comparing like for like not popularity. Infamous to crackdown type similarity and its why I said your list sucked so sorry that wasn't clear. There is no 360 version of lbp, motorstorm, yakuza, socom, gow, demon souls etc I could go on but thats the point lightnings making. When I say 12 games I mean that have been released this year already http://n4g.com/news/670221/... supermans comment lists most of them with a couple mistakes.
Games like yakuza 4 gets overlooked and downplayed by some yet I put 60+ hours into that .....sad I know but I enjoyed it. I skipped lbp2 (will grab when there's a clearing) enjoyed infamous 2 skipped the rpgs grabbed motorstorm apoc and kz3, don't care about socom or dc online. Its how I like it. I like variety and choice. The fact I dont like everything shouldn't be a negative but say if i dont like a couple of MS's offerings..not much left. For the record I enjoyed my fair share of multi's too so I feel im just getting more of what I want which is games to enjoy whilst i still have the energy and time to do so.
How can others or myself not show a form of favouritism towards sony when I get years like this as opposed to years like what the 360 only owners are having which is as you've stated, kinect heavy. Gears 3 is a no brainer for me as I have the previous 2, May try halo even though i was sh!t at reach as I hear part 2 was the best. Not getting forza as I prefer GT5 so my 360, because it's my secondary console, is a little underused to put it mildly as your ps is for you. Their direction for me is a kick in the teeth for many and im sure you know the type.
oh yeah....WTF since we're wtfing;)
@ MOTY
dude ive told you before people will enjoy the good to the great exclusives on top of the good to great multiplatform games like what you've HAD to do. Surely you dont only play 'great' games, if not then whats wrong with playing exclusives that fit the same criteria??
@ 4show
I kinda agree and its a fair comment but this is kinda talking about direction (trojan). Even if these games arent what some want its still more core to pick from. MS is super Kinect right now with less than a handful of core to keep the types we know used to love them happy.. Nothing wrong with wanting more.....im off to the xbox forums to stand up for you guys;)
Really why would you promote Superman's list, I do not speak for all but lets be realistic most of that list isn't going to turn any heads, OK I'll bite lets go down Superman's list that YOU link:
I mean seriously DC Universe Online is a poor mmo with a 67 meta score+$15 monthly subscription fee on a console= Why would that be good for 360, LBP2 as I've explained is great but not something I play, LBP2 would only produce more of the same results like Kameo or Viva Pinata for 360= ignored by traditional userbase, doesn't attract casuals from nintendo, kinect like it or not is micro's answer for casual games and its working. Ar Tonelico 3, Trinity Souls of Zill O’ll are all bad jrpg's with low meta scores to show for it, even better rated rpg's go almost unoticed on 360 what benefit would it be for micro to offer more of the same, yeah I understand diversity but theres not enough support/sales to continue to justify those type of games, 360 has a few but dont expect many. KZ3, great game, very generic story multiplayer lacks its own identity, I dont expect it to sell like COD does but really as much as its hyped even ps3 owners opt for other COD/BF with much greater frequency judging by sales/longevity of multi playtime. Disgaea 4, wtf= not out yet but are you really expecting it to be anything major? MLB the show, great baseball game, baseball games fair poorly on every game compared to other sports games like football and soccer. Yakuza 4, decent jrpg. Moto Apocalypse, mediocore racer, Virtua Tennis 4, is a poor game on both platforms, Oddworld is a 2005 xbox now psn game, Ico is a remake from ps2, Sorcery, wtf= not out yet, Playstation Move Heroes, come on not saying kinect is gods gift but there are far better kinect games, oh wait thats right can't count kinect games. inFamous2, good game. The Agency, wtf not out yet.
So there you have it, this is what Superman has available on ps3 up until now. I see KZ3 and inFamous as notable games or in other words the type of games *I like, now I'm not speaking for everybody but I think I do represent a large portion of 360 userbase, and I think I'm more open to ALL types of games than most of the guys I know but I really don't think theres this overload of GREAT exclusives I missed out on this year SO FAR for ps3, even owning ps3 being the shooter fan Iam only KZ3 appeals to me and again personally KZ does not keep me playing for long. Gaming is about choices, I have spare time & money but its not infinite, for $60 and my limited time I want to play games I really enjoy. Now don't take this as a bash against ps3, even with 360 I only buy the games that appeal to me like Gears, Halo, Alan Wake, Forza, Fable, multiplats, etc, played many more than just those and liked them, but you don't see me running around swearing I want another Kameo, Too Human and "OMG Crackdown is an amazing 360 teh exclusive?" micro doesn't need to offer more for the sake of a exclusive count, NO they need to make the exclusives they do release really count. BTW, games like ME 1&2 are right up their with games like Bioshock(1st one) as examples of some of my favorite games this gen, exclusive or not, I prefer many other multiplats over similiar exclusives, to be sure ps3 has something of interest for me too just less, UC2 is one of my favorites this gen, I liked GoW3, MGS4, KZ2 a couple others and not every game has to be UC2 quality to get me to play but again not much on the ps3 so far this year that would propel a large portion of 360 fanbase who already favor 360 games/multiplayer+online to opt for ps3, more so than 360. I have no problem and I could completely understand why some disagree with me, "different strokes for different folks".
-ah well, why o why I appreciate the sensible conversation, its nice to hear others point of view.
One last thing to clarify:
"How can others or myself not show a form of favouritism towards sony when I get years like this as opposed to years like what the 360"
-Nowhere do I suggest ANYONE should NOT show favouritism, I have it, you have it, we all have it and there's nothing wrong with that but even your comments suggests that ps3 has all these great exclusives so far THIS YEAR as opposed to 360, and it just depends on who you are. I'd be lying if I said shooters aren't my favorite genre, but I'm also open to all kinds of games but theres plenty on both I'm not interested in, I'd play every game if I could but ONLY the top notch games, whether exclusive or multiplat are going to get my $60, again thats just how I roll. I've had the pleasure/been forced to play the hell out of my existing games while waiting for the bigtime holiday games *I care about ON BOTH consoles, so 360/ps3 year hasn't been much different for me....now if you love exclusives & every type of game interests/matters to you then yeah ps3 this year has been great. My original post however are not implying favortism for ps3 is bad, it only points out Whitelighting, a sonyfanboy coming to a 360 article about 360 becoming an entertainment trojan horse and speaking as if he knows what 360 is to all people is BS because obviously he doesn't and the rest of my posts are my opinions/answers to points directed specifically at me.
When I think of entertainment all around system, I think of PS3, not the xbox360. So....im just kind questioning M$ right now...I...idk >_> I mean with the HDDVD thing people are bringing up, yall have good points...Im just kinda confused on what M$ has been thinking (entirely) from beginning to end.
Agree or Disagree if you Agree
OK, I'll own up: I absolutely wanted to see the Xbox 360 turn out to be an entertainment powerhouse. I also hoped the PS3 would as well.
When I got my 360, I used the remote Media Center a ton. Now, I can use Netflix, rent or buy videos on Zune, quickly check my Twitter feed, watch almost anything on the ESPN network, etc. Similarly, I can watch Netflix on the PS3, rent or buy videos on PSN, etc.
And I can't wait to watch live TV on my Xbox 360. That was another feature I was hoping would come (IPTV), though I had doubts it would.
I absolutely care about more than exclusives, although those are a major factor as well.
"Exclusives show that you actually care
about your console and your loyal fanbase....so Microsoft, where are they ?"
Duh... On the PS3 :P
To be honest, if one follows the games, 360 was king till well in 2008, bought my PS3 just at the right time: LBP1 80 GB bundle + MS2 for free for 400 euro.
These days one only need a 360 for Gears or Halo to be true. MS is all in Kinect.
Add the PSP2 to this experience and its even more a no-brainer. Until next gen in 2013/2014 will start ofcourse :-)
And there you have it.. Ms left their most loyal fans in the dust. Mart, I'm proud of you for speaking the truth.
Haha, that's so funny. Now Mart is you friend, but only because he said something negative about MS.
I see Mart on the comment section and suddenly I feel like I'm in the old days. Now where are the other legendary trolls? I mean, Zhuk, Sniper and PP? lol
The Mart has been level-headed for a while now. He speaks the truth now and it is quite refreshing. I admit I do miss the old days sometimes. Watching The Mart, zhuk, icewake, dark sniper, jason360, bladestar, power of green/POG, first knight, ken kutaragi, hydrolex, beans, pp, Joy, Joy Destroy, sak500, and others battle it out with stats, websites, meta scores, theoretical system power and all the rest was epic on an almost daily basis. Honestly I think the console war has settled down a lot.
When it boots up, it's on "My Xbox" usually. If you don't like the extra stuff added: ignore it, shut up, and then get over it. Kthxbai.
I don't like Facebook on Xbox. It's cool that it's there, even if you can't PM. And I ignore it since I don't like it. LAST FM too. It's not that hard.
The thing is they have TONS of stuff that only casual gamers would like. When the 360 was first shown it was a hardcore machine and now it has pretty much done a 180.
The xbox 360 is trying to be what is was not supposed to be...a multimedia machine.
@blackburn10
Might I add that M$ spent billions just to get where it is today.
After it boots up, press A and stop complaining, really. You don't even have to look at the screen if you just want to play.
And I don't know if you know this, but Xbox's are great multimedia machines by themselves. I agree FB and last FM and Netflix aren't needed [or wanted by myself] on a console, but who cares if others like it and it doesn't interfere with me in any way.
And when the original Xbox got hacked, EVERYONE turned it into...wait...A MULTIMEDIA MACHINE for emulators, movies, CD's, everything. Why complain about it now?
Xbox 360 is no longer what it used to be, a hardcore gaming machine. Yet, over the years it hasn't lost any gaming functionality and instead added more gaming functionality that competitors don't have.
The only key difference is that it added non-gaming functions as well and suddenly it is no longer a "hardcore machine"?
Is the PC less hardcore simply because you can facebook, tweet, watch movies and email with your grandmother?
@gamingdroid: It's subtle "durr, OtherOS was removed" type comments like the one you just made that make me come to the only conclusion possible regarding your 7 bubbles, and that's that you have an in with mods or admin on this site. Your comment was so incredibly riddled with fanboyism, that you don't lose a bubble is a clear indication for what's wrong with this site. Wow.
i argee its true just ignore it, i got straight to my friends list when i get on then depending on the day market place after that a game or netflix depending on how i feel
not that hard to ignore the extra stuff
Like it or not exclusives are the most important part of owning a system
How do you know they are overhyped if you can't even play them? Wait, your friends have them so that's how you know, huh?
Like Stealth said exclusives are one of the most important part of choosing what system you want, price being the most in my op.
I didn't by my 360 to play multi's, I bought it for ONE franchise, gears, and thankfully along the way I found older ones like ME to appease me.
Same with my ps3, one reason and one reason only, killzone. Lucky me the ps3 has tons of exclusives to keep me busy as well.
And I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe, that there isn't at least ONE exclusive on either system that catches a gamers eye. That's complete bs as there is no game like gears on ps3 and there is nothing like uncharted on the 360. They are not the same, at all.
There is nothing wrong with only owning one system, but to say other systems(360,ps3,pc) have NOTHING you like, out of maybe HUNDRENDS of exclusive titles, is just hard for me to swallow. But hey, you people have fun missing out, I haven't missed a game yet, save pc games and that's just because there are only so many hours in a day...
Your assumptions just scream, "let's keep it sophisticated" :/ I've played 90% of the PS3's exclusives from start to finish. I don't talk about things I don't know about because I don't like seeming the fool.
What's your psn id? I'd loved to see that 90% because I've played quite a few myself. I didn't "assume" anything. I quite clearly stated that you could have played on a ps3, but for you make the statement of "jumping ship" clearly implies that you do not own a ps3, and rarely play on a ps3.
And btw my psn id is vengence_999 and my gamertag is vengence999. I gives a rats ass about loyalty to any company as they are ALL in it to make a profit. I care about good GAMES, as any real gamer should.
Its amazing that for a company whose systems have never dominated the gaming world, suffered from huge hardware glitches, remained second place for all these years and still haven't outsold the most sold systems ever like the PS1 and PS2, done nothing to advance gaming and yet they always talk as if they have won everything and are standing at the summt .
This gen is almost over and Nintendo is still standing at the summit, with Sony still dragging them down outselling the 360 worldwide. But Mircosoft is always the first to open their mouths to boast and gloat despite the fact that they STILL haven't dominated yet.
And the 360 still has more total sales, so until the PS3 passes that up, don't make it sound like PS3 has won the war. You also need to factor in that 360 owners by more games than PS3 owners, adding so much more to the 1 sided sentence. Not to add the money people pay for live.
And YLOD. All I have to say about that. Sony's consoles have always had CRAP lasers that die left and right, the PS3 was no different. Although that doesn't excuse the console makers from making crap systems, because No console is of the quality it should be.
I can back up your statement on the Ps3's CRAP hardware, staring at my 120 gb slim that no longer plays Blu Ray movies. This was a huge part of my buying the Ps3, and now they want $100 to fix it, what utter bullshit. The exclusives so far have underwhelmed, aside from the Uncharted series.Honestly, to me Uncharted is the only reason to own a Ps3. Plus the PSN is completely worthless trash.
I thought the YLOD happened to under 10% of PS3 consoles.. isnt that the expected console failure rate?
Wasn't the RROD slightly above 50% at one point?
Don't bring in that "Sony's consoles have always had CRAP lasers that die left and right, the PS3 was no different"
It's obvious PS3 had the situation under control, 360 did not :d
"And the 360 still has more total sales, so until the PS3 passes that up, don't make it sound like PS3 has won the war"
And entire year without any competition says hi. Had the 360 and PS3 released at the same time, you'd never bring that point up because you know the PS3 would be ahead.
"You also need to factor in that 360 owners by more games than PS3 owners, adding so much more to the 1 sided sentence."
That's actually not true at all. The PS3 attach rate passed the 360's in 2009. Don't believe me? Look up Street Fighter IV figures and calculate the averages and see for yourself.
"Not to add the money people pay for live."
Completely irrelevant. Paying for Live is not a good thing when every other alternative is free and pretty much on par (in PC's case, better) with/than Live.
"And YLOD. All I have to say about that. Sony's consoles have always had CRAP lasers that die left and right, the PS3 was no different."
RROD. Worst failure rate in any tech ever throughout history. YLOD is not a specific problem. YLOD is an indicator that any number of problems has occurred. RROD is a very specific design flaw that affected anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the 360's sold in the consoles first 2 to 3 years. All electronics have the potential to fail, but the RROD made the 360 recall worthy. MS only just barely got out of a government ordered recall by offering their warranty. If that was unsatisfactory, there would be no 360 now.
And there you have it. The typical sales defense. No games talk...just the sales talk. Yes, because gamers play sales rather than games./s
Back then, it used to be 'PS3 has no games'. Now, it's 'the 360 has no games'.
Spin as much as you want but all the 360 is touting is Gears, some Halo game and Forza, along with multiplatform games. That's not good at all.
The WII is in first place?! because the WII selling well at first may have given it a huge head start but now its way back in third place.
If your speaking of popularity The xbox is first place with the most loyal fans.
They are loyal because even if the old 360 broke they went out and bought another and they pay for online when no other console has too.
But while this is Microsofts 2 console its the first to have hardware trouble. But its sonys third console and all three of them have had hardware trouble. I.E the laser.
Because their financial report clearly states 44 million shipped (sold) to retailers.And thats why you notice greenberg doesnt say sold to he consumer he just says sold or he would get sued by their own shareholders.very childish by greenberg.this is a billion dollar company.
Read their financial report its in clear print
http://www.microsoft.com/in...