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Hacker claims Sony wants PS3's to YLOD so they can cash in

During his quest for a CFW, a 'hacker' claims to have noticed an interesting string in a .RCO file.

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ingiomar4961d ago ShowReplies(6)
Anime-Vixen4961d ago

Ugh losers. Where the proof . You know pics, videos, etc. You know i really don't care about what this guy has to say. This loser just want attention!

-Alpha4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

But by replying you proved that you do care :P

I think it's an interesting find, but I wouldn't conclude Sony WANTS YLOD to happen. I thought most electric devices auto-shut off when they overheat? You make a good point that he simply lacks proof. I don't doubt that he found it, but I think this website is just trying to start flamebait over it, the hacker didn't even sound like he was sure himself, he was just throwing the possibility out and of course N4G contributors make it into a news post.

Cashing in like this doesn't sound like something a company would do. Is it their duty to relay a message? Just curious, do electrical devices require a shutdown/warning system for overheating?

This is just an assumption the hacker makes. I wonder why that message never pops up though, or why it exists (if it exists)

Anyways, one thing that annoys me is the insanely high $150 price to fix YLOD. My friend got the YLOD, but instead of fixing it he decided to get a new PS3... which makes no sense, but he wanted the Slim model.

Nitrowolf24961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

idk maybe it is just realablity on a new console rather then a refurbish or having his orignal one just fixed. I know when my PS3 broke i was thinking of buying a new one.
btw isn't it more money for a fat version now to get repaired??

EDITED: yeah i was replying to yours sorry for the confusion my keyboard wouldn't type th whole thing cause it stopped responding. It is interesting, but who to say this isn't a command for the system to kick those fans? idk that is my guess not much of an expert on this stuff.

Neckbear4961d ago

What is also funny is than, despite Sony profiting over those 150$ on YLODs, you can also repair your console somewhere else, if your warranty is void.

I would not conclude they WANT it to happen, either. Although who knows, perhaps that message doesn't pops up because the console itself isn't exposed at extreme heat or in a closed off space, but rather it can work nicely, and YLOD itself happens thanks to hardware manfulctioning with time and alot of things that could happen to the PS3.

-Alpha4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

No offense but I don't understand your post, Nitro. Are you replying to me?

Edit: My keyboard is wonky too, I should have never removed the keys to clean the dust :( My space bar especially

Anyways, yeah maybe it's a command to kick in the fans. I don't think it's even legal to intentionally allow a product to break, I am wondering if there are laws that products must be safety tested for overheating, if anybody knows. I too don't know much about it. Also, I don't think Sony wants a rep for YLoD and I'm sure that if they were that money hungry they would have done something else. Forcing YLOD doesn't seem to be a good source of profits in the bigger picture.

Nitrowolf24961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

yeah sorry i was responding to the part bout your buddy buying a new PS3. i re edited my post to make more sense.
it's late

@ALPHA BELOW they sent my another Fatty but i got mine repaired just a month after slim released so it could be different now. Yeah i bought the extended warrenty for my slim model, it only is avaible for console w ith warrenty. i thought you can still buy it without plus?I think they get a discounted price

you an call 1-866-716-7669 also to get it

-Alpha4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

@Nitro

Lol, no worries, I was just confused XD

I have two close friends with a PS3 and both of them have gotten YLoD. I have grown very afraid for my PS3. I wont be able to afford a $150 fix, and ever since I bought my 360 my purchases have had to been more mindful. I have a yearly budget, I don't like spending too much on games when I know I can't. Hopefully my fatty holds out.

Whatever happened to that Playstation Protection Plan? If PS+ users have extended warranties then I would really upgrade for that. Also, when your fatty dies does anyone know if they send you a Slim?

showtimefolks4961d ago

sony will send you a fat one i had called once to just find out since i have the older 60gb one which i upgraded so the person i spoke with said it will cost 150 for whatever is wrong with the system and they will either fix ir or send me a new fatty that plays ps2/ps1 games

i would imagine sony has a stock of those 60gb systems so when someone sends theirs in sony would just send the ones that are already fixed

Dee_914961d ago

i wish i can find out how to fix my bluray on my fat ps3

RememberThe3574961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

There is a place called gophermods.com and they fix your PS3 for a lot cheaper then Sony. I sent mine in last week and they charged me 70 bucks. So was going to charge me 150. I got directed their way by a guy on the forums and I gotta thank him for that. They grantee that your game will be shipped back with your system and they have a 24 hour turn around. It's a great deal and from what I've heard they do great work. If your PS3 craps out on you I'd call them first.

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falloutx4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

It seems you haven't been in the PS store recently. on the media section of the PS store there's the Playstation Protection Plan.

Redempteur4961d ago

@alpha male ..

when my PS3 is too hot , well the fans starts !and since i have an original model , the noise actually tell me that my fans , my "cooling system " is working .
i'd rather have a working cooling system than a message blocking my play because the system is too hot and this is coming from a guys who got 2 YLOD already

Hellsvacancy4961d ago

Ive had YLOD, THREE times on the same system, repaired by me EVERY time, the 1st time my PS3 packed up i fixed it and it lasted 3-weeks, second time 6 months and its been 2 months since ive hav 2 fix it again

When it breaks PROPER and i cant fix it again ill strip it down and sell the parts seperate and put the money 2 buy a new Slim

jadenkorri4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

in article
" Due my reserach for a CFW I noticed an interesting string in a .RCO file (system_plugin.rco).

"msg_error_console_hot_p l s_restart"

The system has become hot. Please turn off the system and wait a while before turning it on again.

So my thought is: Could the PS3 have prevented most of the YLOD cases, as there should be a function to shutdown the PS3 when it is too hot?

Seems so, but well - someone may want to make profit."

Congrats, 360 fanboys have sunken this low, the ps3 shuts down if it gets too hot, do you know what, an iphone shuts down if it gets too hot, a computer does the same, wow. What a pathetic attempt. I wish I was a programmer, I would take the time the find the exact same thing in the 360 somewhere and write an dumba$$ article how Microsoft wants 360s to fail.
Oh and BTW, I spent $171.00 to get my ps3 fixed due to the fan stopping, you wanna guess what happened, the PS3 amazingly kept shutting down on me when I tried to get everything backed up.

Chug4961d ago

It's funny that some people actually believe that a reputable company such as Sony whom are known for quality products would do something like this blows my mind.

I mean hell, if they really wanted to do something of this sort they could've done a better job by releasing the unfinished product early...like another certain company did.

DaTruth4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

This is completely false! My PS3 fan died and the console kept shutting itself down(RLOD) to prevent damage. But in my zeal to diagnose the problem, after about the tenth time the console got stuck on(with no fan running) and this caused a YLOD failure!

So the YLOD was completely my fault in this case. I can't speak for others because I don't know what they did with their PS3's.

sikbeta4961d ago

Seems like he's mad cos he can't do what he wants, so he begin to talk BS about Sony and the PS3, pretty mature Mrs hack-nerd... Unbelievable...

rockleex4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

That's how it was the first 3 years, I don't know if they still lose money on repairing the newer versions.

But I've never heard of any PS3 slims YLOD yet.

The 60GBs were most prone to YLOD, and those are the ones that cost Sony the most money to make AND to repair.

So its VERY UNLIKELY for Sony to have made profit from PS3 repairs.

And why would Sony risk letting people's PS3s brick in hopes of them buying new PS3s? It could just as easily make them LESS LIKELY to buy another PS3.

People could even tell their friends not to buy a PS3 just because of YLOD, even though its not near as big of a problem as RROD.

Its purely illogical for any company to risk all that in hopes of profit.

Anon19744961d ago

What a ridiculous piece. It's like me seeing a snippet of code that says "Self Destruct" and then without any freaking idea what it's actually used for or even if the code is active going "OMG, each PS3 has a self destruct mechanism."

This is stupid, plain and simple. How about you find out what the code is for and what it actually does, if anything, and then maybe you'll have a story.

gameraxis4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

if that were the case they wouldn't be offering 1 and 2 year extended warranties in the store... do some research "journalist" u could put a laptop of any kind in a tv stand (box) with no circulation and it will die as well, electronics that use hundreds of relays and switch mechanisms need a fan, so when u hear ur ps3 fan switches to that 4th or 5th out of 6 fan setting, either put a fan on it or turn it off, keep ur gamming spot at room temp or cooler as well and if ur not a smoker (which unfortunately i am) u won't have a problem, because smoke will get in there and put residue on the chips as well... of course there is always that 1 percent of "lemons" whether we're talking about bowling balls or sophisticated machines that will break/falter no matter what, but that's life.

ExplosionSauce4960d ago (Edited 4960d ago )

...so they can cash in.

This article is pure bull. If Sony really wanted that, they wouldn't have made it happen 0.3% of the time(or whatever it is).

-SIXAXIS-4960d ago

This is so dumb. I've heard of people's PS3s displaying the message and shutting down before. Sony DID implement it.

jadenkorri4960d ago

its funny that anything bad about MS or the 360 gets swept under the rug and doesn't even make a headline. Yet, sony and the ps3 seem to get fired at and make headlines in seconds.
Now, I'm not a programmer, but I have done a bit of programming and can grasp some of it, so the string "msg_error_console_hot_pl s_restart.
From my logical understanding, this reads, system is over heating, please restart. How the f'in hell does this one programmer come up with sony wants ps3 to ylod. First of all, alot of you might be thinking it should shutdown, but you are an idiot and should be shot, if the system shuts down, the ps3 fan shuts off, not cooling the system, or dispensing the heat, in which case, you just made a small oven, so grab some eggs, lets make an omelet. The system restarting restarts the ps3 back to the home screen which is not taxing to the system allowing the fans to cool the system properly so that it don't ruin the system.
In all the arguments of who's worst, ps3fanboys or 360fanboys, personally I always said both are just as bad and annoying, I say this new argument that sony wants ps3's to YLOD due to the epic discovery of this string "msg_error_console_hot_pl s_restart.", i just kinda gained some respect for ps3fanboys more than the 360fanboy crowd.
As for the rest of us who have a IQ higher than above average, are just shaking our heads and thanking god the fanboys aren't reproducing as much as the rest of us are.

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ReservoirDog3164961d ago

Basically all these guys do. Which is kinda sad.

Would you really wanna go down in history as the guy who contributed to all this? Isn't there anything better to do with their time?

ThanatosDMC4961d ago

Ummm... YLOD is when the motherboard melts and displaces a bunch of whatevers and you have to reflow it to fix it. HACKER FAIL.

Longrod_Von_Hugendon4961d ago

Uh you mean like MS with their RROD? Yeah I said it to piss of Ingiomar.

Longrod_Von_Hugendon4961d ago

Yeah I said it to piss off!......... off!!!

damn my spelling!

SkinBintin4961d ago

Yeah, because Microsoft wanted to spend the 1.5 billion the 3 year RROD warranty cost them right? For tax reasons or something?

LOL :P

rockleex4961d ago

Or risk having to do a recall, which would cost them BILLIONS MORE.

They would also have to spend more time and money to actually fix RROD.

By the time the 360's are ready to get back on the market, Sony's PS3 and Nintendo's Wii could have already had one full year on the market already.

The 360 would be late on top of having inferior technology to the PS3. They would have NO CHANCE this gen if they didn't extend the warranty.

vhero4961d ago

Hmm if anybody purposely wanted this its MS with the RROD early in consoles life as the death rates back the claim up but this is just silly. Mainly because the YLOD is a hardware fault that is fixed using a hardware fix.

plenty a tool4961d ago

jump off of sonys nutsack. rrod cost microsoft 1billion... yeah i can see how they wanted that.

in your desperation at attacking anything not sony, you just made yourself look as stupid as you really are.

DaTruth4961d ago

Making a reliable console cost Sony much more than 1 billion! MS got to market earlier for their 1 billion, get to run around claiming a bigger installed base for their 1 billion and that 1 billion means less to MS than it would to any other company in the world!

pixelsword4961d ago

BILLION!!!!!1!!!!!!111!!!

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Adolf Hitler4961d ago

I think it's very easy to fix a YLOD'ed PS3. Most of the time, YLOD happens when the thermal paste, that Sony uses to pull heat away from the processors, dries out which causes the system to over heat. I just recently replaced the thermal paste on my 60gb PS3(I also replaced the original power unit with the one that comes in the old 40gb phat PS3s which runs cooler and more energy efficient) even though my PS3 hasn't YLOD'ed yet since you never know when a hardware failure will strike. The thermal paste I used is IC Diamond 7 because it's superior to the Arctic Silver 5 paste and vastly superior to the cheap paste Sony originally used on the system.

Tangostarr4961d ago

I agree with your comment 100%, and if anyone has a phat PS3 they should replace the thermal paste and check that their fans and power supply are working well because your warranty is way over anyway.

gtamike4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

It's funny that MS new slim still have got RROD but new ver :)
PS3's very very rarly get problems

bjornbear4961d ago

so they don't actually understand how a YLOD happens?

http://playstationlifestyle...

seriously - YLOD USUALLY occurs when the isolation glue holding a certain component on the PS3 comes off
(thats what happens due to this gen's SUPER fancy hardware)

its fixable, and its usually hardware related, and it affects a very small number of people that leave their PS3 on constantly.

I had a friend that got a YLOD...he would leave his PS3 on 24h, and never switch it off/put it on standby, and when it happen he freaked out

no sh!t. try keeping your N64 on for 24 playing and you see what happens

ahhh conspiracy theories =) only fools believe them - even 360's RROD isn't on purpose, its just due to rushed/careless hardware design

DigitalAnalog4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

With all the YLOD's (repair fee) that totalled now would be bare miniscule compared to the losses the initial 3 years the console has been released. The hacker, has zero knowledge when it comes to economics.

-End statement

fuckitimout4961d ago

manufactures build things to break after a certain cycle. Most of them really do but keep believing that manufactures really care about you and love you and that it's not about your money

Man In Black4961d ago

And that's why I've had the same console for 2 years now.

avengers19784961d ago

There is only like an 11% fail rate on PS3's so I doubt this is true.

mastiffchild4961d ago

This is laughable. In the EU,UK and US(and everywhere else I imagine)industry watchdogs keep a check on failure rates and Sony couldn't do this without risk of damaging their reputation and incurring mass recalls and other damaging punishments. Seriously, this is just someone who desperately wants to continue his spell in the limelight and will say stupid things in the hope people don't use any logic or have any knowledge at all.

Christopher4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

Holy crap! A hacker said this! Talk about the most reliable source for this sort of information! /s

I like how the hacker didn't tell us about any of the other error messages that aren't used as well, because they are there.

Now, the funny thing? Overheating is not the typical cause of YLOD, but the disc reader is - specifically the laser. When your PS3 overheats, it freezes and then turns itself off. I know after more than a few long gaming sessions of Dragon Age.

pixelsword4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

There's only one way to prove if it's fake or not:

if you roll it over manually and it YLoD's without the ability to right-itself due to the fact that it everything's okay, then something's up; if you can't roll it over or if it rights itself, it's just a fail-safe.

EDIT:

HERE'S THE WHOLE STORY ON THE LINK:

[[During his quest for a CFW, a 'hacker' claims to have noticed an interesting string in a .RCO file (system_plugin.rco). The string allegedly states "msg_error_console_hot_pl s_restart". This is supported by the message which states that "the system has become hot. Please turn off the system and wait a while before turning it on again." So the hacker believes that Sony could prevent YLOD by having a function to shut the system todwn when its too hot. Although they opted against a more effective mechanism to cash in!]]

I'm not certain, but I think this article is total garbage.

What it is saying is that the system will shut down and turn on when it's cool... which it actually does when it overheats. The PS3 shuts down, old and new (remember how they were making a big hoopla how the PS3 fat and slim shutsdown before the slim 360?... because IT WORKS).

.rco files are system plugin files; unless they are disabled (embedded within a quote) it should work. The comment was a comment, but the .rco was still an active plugin because the PS3 doesn't play until it YLODs.

How is this confusing?

N4PS3Fanboys4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

Yeah, where's the proof? If you make a ridiculous claim against the 360 you don't need proof here, but this is the PS3! The console of the gods!

Christopher4961d ago

What ridiculous claims have been made, though?

RROD?

Disc scratching when you move it (dumbest thing to do, btw)?

Microsoft disables third-party memory devices?

Microsoft giving money for exclusive content?

Every single firmware update, there's a claim that it bricks people's PS3. No such thing like this with each XBL update.

It's extremely common to see articles like this for the PS3. I can't recall any for the 360 in the last few years.

BBAM4960d ago

it wouldn't surprise me if this was true.
I've had 2 YLOD ps3's
I was shocked first time because I thought I'd looked after it grand, I dusted it regularly and had it in an open area for ventilation. It died just after a year when I got it at launch, luckily it was around Christmas and I got a refirb for free. However another year and abit later same thing happened, when I took the upmost care to make sure there wasn't anything wrong with my ps3, it just died randomly. Unfortunately I had to cough up £130 to get another refirb. Fingers crossed the same thing isn't going to happen again in a few months.

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alphakennybody4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

maxconsole's on a glorious holy crusade to defend the rights hackers from the evil tyranny of the great evil known as SONY

(-_-')

...And RROD is purely consumers fault right? and not a attempt for quick cash in.

Neckbear4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

On fanboy eyes it's the other way around, just sayin'.

Edit, @alphakennybody

Well, I can actually agree on that- after all, They have been upsetting some people with their fairly biased and Jailbreak-related articles.

alphakennybody4961d ago

well, this aint the first anti-sony blog from maxxonsole and won't definitely be the last, just saying.

shoddy4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

MS probably made a fortune with 54.2% faulty hardware.

Theonik4961d ago

They actually lost $1B, cause you know, they fix the consoles for free an' all...

SaberEdge4961d ago

The 360 never had a 54.2% failure rate. Repeating that nonsense is irresponsible.

RememberThe3574961d ago

They asked if the responers had ever had a 360 RROD on them and 50+% said they had. Far form an official number.

vhero4961d ago

@Theonik as for fixing for free the RROD they didn't start that 3 year fix until nearly 2 years after the 360 launched. By then many had already replaced there RROD consoles. Plus MS had already made superior hardware with a lower death rate so those with the truly faulty hardware never got it fixed. I know I got stung with it.

hmmmm4961d ago

exactly, a voluntary poll is not a survey.. it is just that...a voluntary poll..

Snack_Raccoon4961d ago

@SaberEdge

You're right, 360 only had a 33.3% failure rate... Still too damn high though considering PS3 and Wii have a 3% failure rate.

Cool name you got though!

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Information Minister4961d ago

Well, if there's a trustworthy bunch out there, it's hackers. I mean it's not like they would say anything to intentionally harm the reputation of the company they're stealing from, the same company that has been actively battling said hackers in and out of court./s

Neckbear4961d ago

Aside from that, I heard somewhere than one of the consoles actually had a feature to shut itself down when it was too hot- or at least give the user a warning. Could someone say anything about this?

Nitrowolf24961d ago

yeah i was just thinking that but then Nintendo 3DS where they wanted to have a auto shut down after a certain number of game hours so idk if any console actually does that

wat6344961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

$ony still trying to make a profit.

Edit - I did it for the lulz.

Cartesian3D4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

Microsoft when they ban millions of XBOXs before MW2 release or Sony?

Microsoft when they increase XBL price right befor HALO:reach or SONY?

Microsoft when they call new XBOX the S model (they want people to call it slim or small) but actually new xbox is only few mm smaller and in some demensions few mm bigger
...

believe me there are more reasons ..just think about the past 5 years

imo SONY is evil too , but the level of MS evilness is unreachable

hmmmm4961d ago

Dont get me wrong, im not saying either MS or Sony is evil but seriously...

'Microsoft when they ban millions of XBOXs before MW2 release or Sony?'

So what? You feel sorry for the pirates who modded their consoles? Who cares if MS decided to ban them just before MW2 the fact remains that they shouldn't have modded them in the first place!

'Microsoft when they increase XBL price right befor HALO:reach or SONY?'

ok, you were right about this. Jacking up the price is pretty crap, but still this price increase has just been announced and not yet implemented. There is plenty of time for people who want to play reach but can't afford the bit extra to renew now.

'Microsoft when they call new XBOX the S model (they want people to call it slim or small) but actually new xbox is only few mm smaller and in some demensions few mm bigger'

Firstly, i don't know how you would consider this to be evil. They never called it a 'slim' model at all, just 'S'. Secondly, the 360S IS smaller! Have you seen one? i doubt you have.. The only dimension that is bigger is the depth and only by half a centimetre.

so if they are the most evil things MS have done that you can think of, thats not too bad....

mastiffchild4961d ago

I think the pricing of MS HDDs and other add ons has been amazingly greedy and the recent mess over 4gig slims not being able to play their flagship new shooter to it's fullest was verging on the mwa-ha-ha. No?

This accusation, though, is BS as the industry just wouldn't allow Sony to do this. Also, MS don't always honour that warranty, you know? Depends how the fault shows up and I've had them wriggle out of it once myself. I don't think either are evil but both have made some stupid choices through being a bit greedy or a bit hasty and it just happens that it's been MS who've affected me more. I do think they knew 360 wasn't really ready for release, though, and all those lost weeks of gaming should be keeping them awake at night cos it wasn't a great way to treat your consumers.

lightningsax4961d ago

That shouldn't even be funny. Microsoft and Sony are both in it for the profit, just as much as any other for-profit company out there. If they weren't looking for money, they'd be a non-profit organization. Simple.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 4h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken15h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 1h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola21h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66923h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle23h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg1d 16h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 16h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1d 11h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies22d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken21d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga21d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken21d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6421d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12521d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91321d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91321d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit21d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher21d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6921d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit21d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher21d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken21d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2321d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder21d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts21d ago

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