It will, though, end this console race last in terms of install base. But that’s quite alright, there’s always PS4, and as long as the giant makes a profit on its biggest investment yet, I see no losers here.
ps3 has been out selling 360 worldwide and has cut the 360s lead from 10 million to 5 million even with shortages, granted 360 s will give microsoft a boost like all hardware revisions, but it wont be sustained without software and quite frankly microsoft have next to none first party studios,many 3rd party developers themselves have stated 3rd party exclusivity is a dying breed.this brings you onto ....
kinect....microsoft are putting all their eggs in one basket when it comes to kinect...hence their terrible e3. without first party studios what will ms do if kinect fails? kinect and move are too late to the motion control party,nintendo has that category on lock
its inevitable ps3 will overtake the 360 but sony and their early arrogance has cost them the crown this gen,but it makes for an exciting 720/ps4 battle...
EDIT: @hardcore1912 - Ohhhh ok, so since its the PS3 its falmebait right? but if it was the same article but replaced with Xbox it would be ok, and get approved within 45 seconds? Yup that sounds about right.
Yea nice edit.
EDIT: Clownbelt - I posted that before everyone decided to actually read the article and edit their comments. If you would have seen the "Yea nice edit" then you would know that. Both Jamie Foxx, and hardore1912 had flamebait comments, then they changed them after I posted that. Try reading next time.
"so since its the PS3 its falmebait right? but if it was the same article but replaced with Xbox it would be ok"
Where are you getting this assumption? People kept on saying "oh if it's xbox it won't get approve" when that's not true at all. Xbox 360 or PS3 flamebait articles get approve all the time, so stop crying as if your piece of plastic isn't getting the fair treatment.
@above How about trying to comprehend what I said first? It doesn't matter whether those two edited their posts. It's the fact that you were crying about the treatment here in N4G with baseless assumption.
So obviously, in the end, the PS3 will outsell the 360 and end up in second place, heck, maybe even first place.
"..that [doesn't mean that] the 360 is going to go down without a fight. MS is going to try and outsell the PS3, and they can easily do price cuts to do that."
That also means that Sony isn't going to go down without a fight too. Sony is going to try to keep outselling the 360. And for every price cut Microsoft does, Sony will also counter, unless Microsft decided to give away the consoles for free, which isn't going to happen.
Another thing is, price cut without exclusive games is not going to do anything. You still need games to move consoles. And right now, and for the seeable future, Microsoft exclusives line-up is very small compare to what's coming down Sony's pipe-line.
The PS3 does have a chance to outsell the 360, but definitely not the Wii, at least not anytime soon. There is no indication that it can outsell the Wii anytime soon so don't get ahead of yourself. I can see how one can conclude it will outsell the 360 but it's harder to conclude that it will outsell the Wii.
Your logic isn't sound TotalPS3Fanboy. Yes, Sony is on the right track and CAN outsell the 360, but you can't use that same logic on the Wii because the difference is way too high to use that same logic.
And don't assume that just because the PS3 is selling at a higher rate that the 360 is going to go down without a fight. MS is going to try and outsell the PS3, and they can easily do price cuts to do that. There are many factors that you don't factor in. You use the simple reasoning that "it's outselling the 360 now, so it will continue and outsell the 360 soon", but you make a couple assumptions. We are well into this generation's cycle and Sony has still to catch up to MS. And when or if it happens, Sony not only has to maintain that lead (you forget about the fact that MS will still be fighting), but they also have to fend of MS while trying to now outsell the Wii. If it's taken this long to outsell MS it's going to take longer or just as long to outsell the Wii, don't you think? How many years will that take you think?
You people need to stop making a big deal out of who is in what place. How does that change how you enjoy the console? Sony IS in last place currently, that's a fact, but why care? It's sold a substantial amount that it's a relevant and significant competitor and it's got a ton of highly acclaimed exclusives and games. What do you get out of them being 2nd or 1st? Sony catching up to 2nd place doesn't demean MS in anyway just like Sony isn't demeaned this gen being in last. They have both shown they are significant this generation and they are both successful consoles in terms of sales already.
This article like most from gamesthirst is complete and utter flamebait... when you read their articles you are simply paying them to write more trash via advertising...
1) Seriously people, amazon? are we seriously using Amazon to support anything??? If anyone did any type of statistical analysis on how amazon sales related to overall console sales then I think people would be laughing at the mere mention of it...
2) For 1 week it accounted for about a 120k difference in sales... Which makes sense... Its respectable, and if it keeps up it means something... but for 1 week, honestly if it did any less it would already be a poor indicator.. There are alot of avid xbox fans out there that would love to have the newer box simply because it looks cool... with 20 million xbox 360s sold in the US, A vast majority of those numbers could have easily been people looking to get the cooler looking model... The only real fact right now is that no one knows the truth and currently there is no real indication of anything... If around august the same kind of numbers are still being pulled for the xbox, or they have dropped back down to their pre slim numbers already, then something can be said, until then lets just all keep our mouths shut and wait.... seriously...
A quote from a wise friend, "Its ok to be proud of your crap and let everyone know its good just so long as you don't go around thinking your crap is any better than someone else's..."
It assumes that now the 360S has a bigger HDD then the ps3 for the same price and that the arcade model got a price cut, it is therefore game over for sony.
Gamesthirst forgot a little bit of trivia, in that the ps3 has always been more expensive then the 360. Always. And it has outsold it always. Reducing the gap between itself and 360 more and more and more. So price obviously wasn't always the issue.
A consumer survey showed bluray was a big factor in buying a ps3 over a 360. So if gamesthirst think consumers would rather buy a 360 with a dvd player when they can get a bluray ps3 for the same price, think again.
And the sales bump for the 360S is expected. Like with every new bit of hardware. We'll see how long it lasts though.
But aside from that, think about this. Where are gamers winning?
At microsofts E3 conference, ONE new exclusive game was shown. ONE. How many exclusives does the ps3 have in its future? I can't even count them at the moment. So if you're a gamer, ps3 really is the best console to own right now
"Your logic isn't sound TotalPS3Fanboy. Yes, Sony is on the right track and CAN outsell the 360, but you can't use that same logic on the Wii because the difference is way too high to use that same logic."
But I am not using that logic on the Wii. I am using that logic only on the 360.
However, I will use the following logic on the Wii though:
120 millions PS2 users migrates to the PS3 when the PS3 becomes cheap enough.
"If it's taken this long to outsell MS it's going to take longer or just as long to outsell the Wii, don't you think? How many years will that take you think?"
It could take 1 day, or it could take 10 years. It all depends on when those 120 millions PS2 gamers decide to upgrade to the PS3. If they all decide overnight, then it takes 1 night. Most likely though, it'll take several years, but it will still be very well within Sony's 10 years plan.
"You people need to stop making a big deal out of who is in what place."
Agreed. Thought it's not these people that are making a big deal out of who's in what place. It's actually articles like these that are making a big deal out of it.
"Kinect is beating Move, and Xbox 360 S is beating the PS3"
None of these has been released yet. The 360 slim comes out in July, and Kinect won't be out until November; the Move isn't scheduled for release until September. Where exactly is this moron getting his numbers?
"120 millions PS2 users migrates to the PS3 when the PS3 becomes cheap enough."
There are no grounds to assume this. How do you know where these 120 million users are? What they are interested in? If they still game? What they liked about the PS2? It's a major assumption to generalize a huge number like "120 million" and assume they will migrate to the PS3 "when it's cheap enough". $299 is pretty damn cheap and yet I see people stringing along the argument saying "when it's cheaper", or "soon in the future". Many people have moved on to this generation with Wii, PS3, and even the 360. Assuming that 120 million exists and that they are somehow loyal to the PlayStation for whatever reason and they will surely get the PS3 "soon" when it's "cheap" is wishful thinking. That argument has been around for such a long time. When is soon? How much cheaper does the PS3 have to get?
"It could take 1 day, or it could take 10 years. It all depends on when those 120 millions PS2 gamers decide to upgrade to the PS3."
Assuming they exist and that they haven't already upgraded and assuming that they want to upgrade to the PS3. This was Sony PR talk and you bought it, why? I am surprised people are buying this nonsense assumption. Sony doesn't have tabs or is in contact with these 120 million users. They don't know what they want. Consumers don't upgrade based on brand loyalty yet you assume that 120 million will for some reason get the PS3. The PS2 was a much different, much more varied console than the PS3. There are so many factors that influence the decision of buying a console yet you somehow think 120 mill will get the PS3 because they had the PS2. That's baloney.
"If they all decide overnight, then it takes 1 night. Most likely though, it'll take several years, but it will still be very well within Sony's 10 years plan."
It's been four years and they still haven't completely outsold the 360. Let's be realistic here. Are you assuming within 5 more years that Sony will outsell the Wii which STILL continues to grow and has a much larger gap than the 360 has? And when it happens, WHY will it be significant? What will it prove? You are spending this whole gen trying to come out of last place yet will it matter if, in the very end Sony comes into 2nd or 1st if they've spent so much time third in terms of overall sales? Why keep count of such a petty thing? The PS3 and 360 and even the Wii have proven that they have made successful establishments this generation. They are active consoles, they have games released on the console regularly with significantly large fanbases. Sorry, but I think that thinking 120 million users are going to upgrade to the PS3 within the next 6 years is highly improbable and has no grounds on solid reasoning. It's a complete assumption based on Sony PR Talk.
Just their desperate desire to have the Ps3 fail. Just a bunch of reasons why it had a rocky START, NOT why it will end up in last place at the end of this generation. Go back to 2007, GT.
there's only 1 way i see the ps3 outselling the wii. And thats if nintendo release a new home console which captivates the publics interest, and completely drop support for the wii. Other then that...nope. I don't see the ps3 catching the wii
The one saving grace the ps3 has is that it will last a very, very long time. Probably 15 years. The wii is getting to the end of its life, and a new console could be due soon
"There are no grounds to assume this. How do you know where these 120 million users are?"
They are still out there. They didn't just magically disappeared overnight.
"Many people have moved on to this generation with Wii, PS3, and even the 360."
No. Some PS2 gamers may have moved to the Wii. However, mostly, it's just the soccer moms and casuals who came to the Wii.
The early adoptors of PS2 have moved to the PS3. Now, the rest of most of the PS2 gamers just need to move to the PS3 too (and they will when Sony dropped the price under $200, or under $100).
"Assuming that 120 million exists and that they are somehow loyal to the PlayStation for whatever reason and they will surely get the PS3 "soon" when it's "cheap" is wishful thinking. That argument has been around for such a long time."
Now, obviously, not all PS2 gamers will migrate to the PS3. However, the majority of them will. And not only that, the PS3 will also be drawing in new gamers. And also the casual crowds too, with Move.
"When is soon?"
Whenever Sony does more price cuts. When will Sony do another price cut? We do not know. However, we do know that Sony will continue doing price cuts like how Sony have done with the PS2.
"How much cheaper does the PS3 have to get?" Below $200 for the next wave. Below $100 for the last wave.
"...Assuming they exist..."
Again, they do.
"...and that they haven't already upgraded and assuming that they want to upgrade to the PS3..."
Again, most of them do, they're just waiting for the price drop. There's the group that waited until the PS2 Slim was below $200 to buy it. And there's the last group, the group that waited until the PS2 Slim was under $99. Those groups are going to do the same with the PS3.
"This was Sony PR talk and you bought it, why?"
Sony PR never talked about this. I don't know why you bought that up. I haven't heard Sony mention something like what that before.
"It's been four years and they still haven't completely outsold the 360."
360 came out a year before the PS3 with a cheaper price but the PS3 have been selling at a faster rate than it is, even with all these obstecles against the PS3. And now that the PS3 is overcoming more and more of these obstecles, the rate at which the PS3 sells wil be even faster. With several more price cuts, and the migration of PS2 gamers, the PS3 will sells exponentially (in a sense, not literally).
"Let's be realistic here. Are you assuming within 5 more years that Sony will outsell the Wii which STILL continues to grow and has a much larger gap than the 360 has?"
I am not sure that in several years, the Wii can continue to grow. Many of these peoples who originally bought the Wii are going to be looking to upgrade to a better cheap enough alternative, like a $129 PS3 with Move in a few years.
Thanks for discussing with me and I see what you are saying.
I still remain highly skeptical and here's why:
You are still assuming that 120 million or so users WILL upgrade to the PS3. Again, there is no way you can know that. The Wii continues to grow and sell and when the PS3 drops in price, however long that may take, how do you know that this will allow for these 120 mill or so users to not only adopt the PS3, but outsell the Wii?
You said it yourself, not all will upgrade, but you feel a majority will. Once again, these are all claims without reasons backing up why anyone else should believe your claims. I hope u see why I remain so skeptical.
You talk about the PS3 dropping in price-- the Wii and even the 360 are in far better positions than the PS3 to be dropping in price before the PS3 can. Sorry, but it's not as easy as "120 mill users will migrate to the PS3" to the point where the PS3 outsells the Wii.
I am not saying it's not possible, but not under that premise where you ignore so many other factors. The gap is way too large, the Wii is far more casual for the PS3 to catch up to.
I could seriously care less who's in first, second or third. What I do care about is that Sony is finally getting the attention it deserves from 3rd party devs. Now, with all the exclusives and better quality ports coming out, I'm really happy I went with the PS3 instead of the 360.
"120 millions PS2 users migrates to the PS3 when the PS3 becomes cheap enough."
Who's to say that they haven't already migrated to this current gen?
Wii - 70.93 million 360 - 40 million PS3 - 35 million
That's 145.93 million users total for this generation of consoles. For all you know, the majority of them could have already migrated. Who's to say that they're not all on the Wii and 360 now? I guarantee you that the majority of them have, as I'm one of them (since, for some reason, you believe that none of the users have bought a current gen console). So no, there aren't "120 million PS2 users waiting for the PS3". It's asinine to believe that every single PS2 user is a Playstation fan and will only buy Playstation consoles.
I'm assuming, based off of logical reason, that more than half of them are already playing something new.
The gap between the 360 and ps3 has widened and shrunk several times this generation.
The 360 currently has around a 5 million lead and is now widening the gap.
We only have probably 2 years until the next generation is upon us. Does anyone really believe the PS3 can catch up?
It would have to outsell the 360 by around 2.5 million EACH YEAR just to make even with the 360. But now the 360 is outselling it. I'm sorry, I just don't see it happening.
That said, all three consoles are doing well and as history has shown it isn't the end of the world for a console to be in third place.
Yeah, same thing I was thinking. The article never bashes the PS3 or anything. I found it to be a good read with much reasoning!
But most of these fanboys don't read pieces anyway.. Once an article is not PS3 positive then they bash, the piece, the site, or the person who wrote it. I know N4G is better than this....
You put up a title like, "The Reasons Why PS3 Will End Up In last Place This Console Generation". There's no point in acting innocent on why people will hate you for it. That, and being part of GamesThirst automatically means you produce nothing but flamebait. I hope no one here reads your good for nothing article.
I thought the biggest lead that the 360 ever had was 8 million. IF my numbers are correct (which I am not sure) the ps3 has gained 3 million in 5 years. Now, if this is a 10 year cycle, and the sales stayed the same, ps3 would still be 3rd by 2 million.
To the comment below me.....What are you talking about? The new 360 is the same price as the new ps3. They are both $299. The 360 is at #6 and the ps3 is at #15. People don't really buy the "peanuts" one.
It's not a cheaply made console. There was a flaw in the design of early 360s that was causing many of them to fail, but the problem has since been remedied. My 360 has been running strong for 4 years.
Last generation my Xbox never failed on me and in fact still works to this day. Can't say the same for my PS2 that died on me.
ps3 has been out selling 360 worldwide and has cut the 360s lead from 10 million to 5 million even with shortages, granted 360 s will give microsoft a boost like all hardware revisions, but it wont be sustained without software and quite frankly microsoft have next to none first party studios,many 3rd party developers themselves have stated 3rd party exclusivity is a dying breed.this brings you onto ....
kinect....microsoft are putting all their eggs in one basket when it comes to kinect...hence their terrible e3. without first party studios what will ms do if kinect fails? kinect and move are too late to the motion control party,nintendo has that category on lock
its inevitable ps3 will overtake the 360 but sony and their early arrogance has cost them the crown this gen,but it makes for an exciting 720/ps4 battle...