Killzone 3: Controls will be more responsive

PSUNI: Many criticised the responsiveness of the controls in Killzone 2. With the recent unveiling of Killzone 3, Guerilla Games is keen to tout the work it’s done in this very area.

Killzone 2 got a lot right with its weighty and realistic controls, but when the game launched many found the contrast to previous games a little difficult. Guerilla released a patch to improve the responsiveness and alleviate some of those worries, but the studio’s not being complacent. It’s working on improving them even further with Killzone 3.

[Al Bundy]

YES!!!!!!

[NOOBKILLA]

Cool!! I hope they add keyboard and mouse support too!!

[raztad]

I' m huge KZ2 fan but if they end up making KZ3 another COD, I'll buy MW2 and give KZ3 a huge pass. Sorry, I want to play KZ, not another COD "me too" as Resistance 2 became. I'm starting to get pissed.

EDIt:

Looking at the video you see how the guy is scoring kills from a distance, no recoil and from the HIP. WTF???

@bellow

Man I really hope so, I dont mind a bit more of responsiveness (BC2 of sorts) but too much will change the way the game feels, not to mention GG could be adding a lot of AUTO-aim for the masses.

[arakouftaian]

controls are still diferent
similar to KILLZONE2 but more responsive

i love the KILLZONE 2 controls
never had problem with it

and the hi precision update made things easier for the noobs
and easier for me the hardcore gamer

[NOOBKILLA]

I have a feeling the people that are hitting disagree don't know how to use a keyboard and mouse when playing a FPS. Damn Noobs!!

[sikbeta]

They Don't need to change much, just give an Option to the NøøB COD Gamers, so this Time there will be No WHINE and all of us, including the NøøBs will enjoy it...

KZ3 = E-FPS

[-Alpha]

I don't mind K2 controls but even the most expert players missed easy shots because it was very difficult, especially at close range. It just made close quarters, melee, etc. VERY silly. Sorry, but a Helghast soldier should be able to easily shoot someone at a decent range without flicking the controller. Post-patch fixed the deadzone, and I'm sorry but K2 had unresponsive and cluttered controls before it which made for some frustrating gameplay. I enjoyed the controls, I really did, but I'm all for improvement because as great as the controls were there are still times I find myself missing easy shots because of the controls. Also, aiming down the sights with a pistol was worthless. Nearly everyone hip-fired with it. This has nothing to do with COD players at all. The controls would do great with an improvement to responsiveness, I've put over 100 hours into Killzone 2 and the guns feel great but controls aren't always the best. I know many like the feel of K2 but that feeling WILL STILL STAY if the controls become more responsive. Just look at BC2. It's funny that only AFTER GG seems to comment on the improvement of controls are fans coming out. People justified the controls even before the deadzone patch.

The supporting argument about realism is nonsense. If it's so realistic why does the rocket launcher have movement the same as a pistol? Gameplay> Realism. That's not to say Realism is bad. BC2 managed to make the weighty feel while having good responsive controls. It had nothing to do with realism and everything to do with just having a different style as GG wanted. I am all for more responsive controls but I enjoy the feel of weight and guns in Killzone. People who are complaining about COD need to chill out. There is such a thing as compromising the controls and having a middle ground. It's not always extremely twitchy or extremely heavy, controls can have a mix of both and I'm glad Killzone 3 will manage to do this.

[cyborg6971]

Your right about the cqc. Sometimes I wish I could have watched some of my sequences just to laugh at how they must have looked. Kinda like a special olympic ring around the rosey game with drunk tards. I'm not sure if I'm happy with this. If they are more responsive fine, but if there is aim assist not cool.

[rezzah]

Its all good once it doesnt become a twitch fest.

[Commander TK]

about effing time

[Etseix]

NNOOOOO!!!!!, aw man, em i the only one that liked the controls?

the controls where perfect! first game in my life that i say *holy crap, it looks really realistic*

pf.. that s why i hate cod games, just point and u get a perfect headshot, on killzone was the other way, try to POINT good, then u can have the shot you want, hope they dont make a *rambo game* .. PLEASE GUERILLA!!!

[coolcole93]

I loved the KZ2 controls as well.

[thor]

Playing KZ2 before MW on a console, I noticed the auto-aim that KZ2 has and it is quite noticable. Then I played MW and I was SHOCKED at the amount of auto-aim. Press L1 and it basically snaps to your target. No wonder CoD is enjoyed by casual gamers everywhere.

Anyway I hope that they keep the weighty feeling of the controls, whilst reducing the delay between button press and in-game response (I think it is 150ms but <100ms is ideal).

[raztad]

I'm thinking that maybe and just maybe a change in control responsiveness has an ulterior motive: supporting MOVE. I cant see how MOVE can be integrated to KZ3 if the game still feels sluggish.

NVM, KZ3 went from DAY ONE to wait and see.

[ProjectVulcan]

Sometimes the latency was just a bit steep, because the framerate did drop to the low twenties on occasion. Certainly just being able to polish the game engine so it will run a more solid 30 frames a second would improve the consistancy

[STONEY4]

I never used the precision aiming in singleplayer. I tried it, I couldn't aim right after a while of testing, then went back to using normal controls, which I have no idea why people have problems, the aiming feels fine, just up the sensitivity to x-70% and y 100%. In multiplayer though, I use precision aiming, it feels better for some reason, the aiming in multiplayer is a little different.

[UnSelf]

this comment section is filled wit noobs

GG, you better f*ckin not noob my controls

[Gamehead36]

i agree 100%. If i want COD then ill fuckin buy COD.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Awesome! This game would be on a whole new level of stellar gameplay if they tweaked it. Bad Company's weighty controls are decent. My favorite so far is MAG's and would mind if they made it to where i dont feel like im wrestling to move around. If this was to really happen , it could already be over with this being 2011's goty. I dont care what any of you have to say about that.

[Razmossis]

I just hope all the fanboys stop trying to convince themselves that the unresponsive controls were a design choice, lol. It was lag, even the pause menu lagged

[mal_tez92]

Weighty controls = awesome. DO NOT CHANGE THEM

Input Lag = a bit of a problem. GET RID OF IT

Regardless of any input lag KZ2 had, it is still the best FPS I've ever played. Especially if you turn off all HUD.

[FACTUAL evidence]

R2 became a COD game!@?@ Since when?...R2 feels NOTHING like a call of duty buddy. I actually like the fact that GG is trying to make the controls a bit more "responsive". I know so many people that loved KZ2 but wish the controls were a little bit more "twitchier" as some like to call it. Just Imagine if KZ2 felt a little more like lets say borderlands...only gun movement..soo many potential buys from KZ2 would hop on in a heartbeat.

I'm just saying, I know a lot of people who would of got KZ2 if the controls were a bit more user friendly. Hell google it...You'd see the potential customers. Oh yeah a lot of hip fire?? Raztad, I'm beginning to think you haven't played KZ2. KZ2 was EXTREME hip fire...only time someone really aimed down the sites is when they were sniping. Anyways, you go on and buy your MW2, I don't want to hear you complain about campers later on. I'll be enjoying the hell out of KZ3, and maybe even more than I did with the controls being more "responsive". Remember Raztad, it's a video game not real life. I don't want killing to be a chore...

[swiftshot93]

This makes me so happy.

[jwatt]

Yea that was the main thing I wanted them to change for Killzone 3. I remember when the demo for Killzone 2 came out, I played it over and over to get a good grasp for the controls but it never quite felt right to me.

[Bnet343]

I am so with you. I did not like the sluggish aiming in KZ2, really broke the game for me. I hope the vastly improve. Here's hoping.

[FantasyStar]

Agreed with all stated.

I like the game, but the aiming was a huge turn-off. I tried to get into it, but ugh...

[RememberThe357]

I'm not one of them. I think that they will make the best decision for the game. They don't seem to want to loss that weighty feel but they want to make the game more accessible the that average shooter fan. I'm confident that they will find a happy medium.

[Fishy Fingers]

I dont think there's anything wrong with calling KZ2s control "sluggish", at least thats how I found it. Not that I was against that or disliked it, but there was certainly room for improvement and even the developers have said that.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Hey fishy, so are you saying that you know more about this game than the people who develop it? Im so sick of seeing you purist and gaming zealots denying the fact that there was lag. Even the games creators in interviews have admitted that there was lag. So you mean to tell me I gotta believe you nincompoops over the devs of the game? Get a life man.

[MexicanAppleThief]

I wouldn't mind if they give options for the controls. So like for the casual difficulty setting it'd be more responsive, but on Elite it have those weighty controls.

[Raf1k1]

That's not a bad idea but the problem comes in online play. You can't have people with fast controls playing with those who have slower controls. Maybe you could set up games with the option of how the controls work which would lead to a lot of games with quick controls and a few for those who prefer the slower controls.

I don't like calling CoD style controls "responsive" when talking about Killzone since it implies that the K2 controls weren't responsive. They were but they were just slower giving the weapons a heavier feel.

[techie]

control responsiveness has nothing to do with the weighty animations. They'll still be in there.

[RememberThe357]

Yet Battlefield: BC2 had some very weighty animations but did not have a weighty feel. They are going to have to find a way to keep the weighty feel and make the controls more responsive. I'm sure it's been tricky.

[ikkokucrisis]

I think they decreased the turning speed in KZ2 to prevent the game engine from chugging while looking around in those big environments.

I love the control and sensitivity of the COD series, and while I don't think they'll ever reach that response level (because level of detail in the KZ games are so much higher), any improvement is a good thing IMO.

[Fishy Fingers]

http://n4g.com/news/531797/...

You can see in this teasing gameplay footage^^ it plays faster, they also talk about the controls in the same video during the interview.

Most of the hands on previews have made comments along the lines of, familiar yet refined. My guess is it will end up like Bad Company, not as twitchy as COD, still weighty, but responsive.

[Keltik82]

Also if they gave it mouse and keyboard support my head would explode!

[redDevil87]

But Im not to fussed. I never had a problem with them.

I'm fine with with MW controls and fine with KZ controls. Anywhere in the middle is perfect.

[LinuxGuru]

But DON'T EXPECT CALL OF DUTY CONTROLS YOU NERFHEADS

[MechaGear]

I really hope you're right there.
Nah, pray would be more appropriate.

[MGOelite]

at least they are keeping the weight. dont want to appease the cod noobs too much

[Dellis]

I say make the game like COD4/MW2 type games, that's what these kids want these days, look at the huge sales those game get

[JAMurida]

THANK YOU!!!

[DiLeCtioN]

i had a lot of friends complaining and guess what game they all played before...COD...thats right...COD

[Raf1k1]

That's to be expected. Games like CoD and Halo are designed from the ground up to appeal to as many people as possible.

The GG dev said in an interview (can't remember which one) that he they had targeted to game for the hardcore and maybe a little too much at that so this time they're making it a bit more appealing to the less hardcore.

[DA_SHREDDER]

All the hardcores are playing MAG. Have a nice day.

[MechaGear]

Big hurray to the retards.
Let's make all games alike and ruin every good game there is.
Go play counterstrike, kiddies.

[Raf1k1]

It annoys me as well that complaints from people who don't want to adapt are holding developers from making their games the way they want them to be and pushing for variety in whichever genre.

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Judging by the recent video interview, Im glad what came out of it (even though they never were a problem to begin with to me).

[BABY-JEDI]

As for the controls, I'm not too sure. I liked the challenge & the difficult choice that GG made by trying to replicate realism ie body armour, equiptment ect. Hopefully it will be a good compromise

[peeps]

the weightiness is fine but input delay is not. He addressed this in the interview though luckily.

[ElementX]

Everyone keeps mentioning keyboard/mouse controls, do any games actually support that? Also, what happened to everyone on N4G a year ago saying "I like the KZ controls, it's not for noobs" and "if you don't like it, go back to COD".... now everyone is cheering about more responsive controls?

*EDIT* @ below:
Everyone on N4G seemed to like the sluggish controls "because it made the characters seem real and bulky with their armor". I thought the controls were fine, just took a few minutes to get used to.

BTW Kyosuke, you joined 4 days ago. How would you know what people were saying last year?

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

If they gave KZ3 aim assist then it would have been the uproar you were looking for.....

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Same crap, different site that's all. N4G isnt the only place where people complain unfortunately

[LinuxGuru]

I swear, the next thing we do NOT need is someone with Marathon Pro and Lightweight Pro with super twitchy controls noobtube-ing and knifing everyone in this game.

Let's keep the weighty controls and rank / weapons unlocks. That'll do just fine.

[gypsygib]

Thanks God! That was my major gripe with the game, although I still think K2 is one of the best shooters available.

[boysenberry]

KZ3 + COD controls would be sweet! I didn't like the controls in KZ2 at all.. I guess I played COD4 too much before I played KZ2.

[spektical]

please dont give way to COD noobs. keep the weight, its amazing.

[Maldread]

The heavy feel was great, but it it was bit too slow in K2, which got a lot of people (like myself) to turn up the sense. Which again made it hard to aim preciesly, esspecially with the sniper. Hope they leave auto-aim out though. That always mess up mine aim.

Seems like GG is on a good way to get what as wrong with K2 right. Add in that K2 already was a great game and one can`t, but to be excited for K3.

[JonnyBigBoss]

FPS of the generation confirmed.

I love you Guerilla Games.

[ElementX]

This generation is only half over and you're making such a claim?

If you love them so much, why don't you marry them?

[Darkfiber]

Ugh great, so more stupid CoD people will take over a GOOD game and make it completely unfun? I like the controls as they are, evens out the playing field better.

[Ps_alm3k]

as long as there is an option who can complain?
Just have hardcore mode and Newbie mode and customizable control and every body wins.
Casuals and hardcore.

[thehitman]

Had a problem with the layout of buttons day 1 I think they had good set of options to choose from. Also never had problem with the responsiveness neither have my friends who owned both 360/Ps3 and play games like halo/gears/cod its just the matter of looking for reasons why you suck and blame the controls.

[Ps_alm3k]

there was a reason why the complain had skyrocketed on the forum.
That was the major complain.

[games4fun]

KZ3 literally went from a first day purchase to a wait and see.

I will let this game rot if it doesn't keep its weighted(skill) controls and reverts to a COD controls system.

They took a unique way to play with a learning curve which made multiplayer an enjoyable breath of fresh air, and made it into a me too deja vu situation like what Resistance 2 became. A generic me-too for the masses and reviewers.

No wonder all the reviews are happy now. GG changing the controls legitimizes all the unwarranted backlash the reviewers gave when people talked crap about something which wasn't instant gratification like COD. Lets pretend everyone can shoot well in any position when they shouldn't be able to while running and jogging.

Give them an arcade when i want the feel of a war. I'm not impressed.

This and the attention given to 3d and rocketing around(i have yet to play a game which has jetpacks and doesn't have some issues because of it.) makes me feel like i'm recieving the gimmick edition.

I'll wait now and play at a someones house instead then decide. No longer day one.

[Doletskaya]

Isn't it a little too early to decide? I mean the game is about one year from release and there hasn't been any official trailer or video footage out so far, and yet you've already decided that the game is probably going to be COD-like and gimmicky?! And the reviews are happy now? Where do you get this idea? In ur imagery world?

[games4fun]

@doletskya
i know you think i'm overreacting but its how i feel, i could have posted:

i'm worried about this new turn gg is taking i hope they don't make controls like COD I guess i'll just wait and see.

But in reality i wont buy this game until i get some confirmation it doesn't play like that. Until i see the footage at E3 and maybe even much later footage toward the end of the dev cycle, i'm going to not buy it.

I've read a lot of news and seen how companies roll when it comes to "improving" a game.

So i have a sneaking suspicion my worst fears on the controls portion will be confirmed.

The weighty controls are a huge draw for me, it sets it apart from everything else, if its taken out i'm left with a very good looking game that plays like everything else. Which makes it not worth buying.

[Doletskaya]

Why the fuck do people keep assuming that making the controls more responsive = turning it into COD controls? There are FPSs out there that are not using COD controls and are still popular, fun to play and requires skills, like BFBC2. The controls in KZ2 are not something that makes it unique but more like making it awkward or even stupid. I have no problem with the controls all the way, but I just think it's stupid for GG to make the controls so 'special' and turn so many FPS fans off from KZ2 just because they want their game to feel 'unique'.

[games4fun]

I would rather "FPS fans" be turned off than have KZ2 fans be turned off just because you want the game to be less unique.

The controls must be "awkward" if you have trouble with it right? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they are stupid controls. Just accept you don't like the controls of one game and leave it alone. Stop thinking everything needs to be a generic control scheme. I'll accept they need to be updated in certain parts, but the weighty feel is needed.

GG bucked the trend of the same old hat controls and you want to push them back in line.

[BakedGoods]

Won't be a problem as in...they got rid of the gun weight completely? Or tweaked it so it's less noticeable?

I'd prefer it gone for good. The weight adding an interesting element to Killzone 2, but ultimately sacrificed accuracy leading to random headshots and kills.