Moore questions true value of PlayStation 3 price cut

Microsoft's Peter Moore has told GamesIndustry.biz that he doesn't consider Sony's recent PS3 discount a price cut at all - but rather a move to offer added value for the same price.

Sony dropped the price of the 60GB model on Monday to USD 499, while revealing a new SKU with an 80GB hard-drive and copy of Motorstorm for USD 599

"Interestingly, I didn't see a price cut, and I must have been reading the wrong thing. It's still USD 499 and USD 599," Moore told GamesIndustry.biz in an interview.

"They've added greater value in the form primarily of storage at the same price points."

[Shadow Flare]

Why doncha question the value of a $400 system that can't even last a year?!?

[Razzy]

Forget Sony Moore, you should be thinking about the 1 billion dollars your company is shelling out for the 360 extended warranty.

[renegade]

he better focus on he 360 warranty than ps3 price

[jromao]

That Moore should worry about the crap they sell instead looking to PS3 quality (at least to learn how to do it).

Now, let's have the xbox idiots clicking "Disagree" bellow to see how many live frustated for owning that crap !!!

[sony fan]

Sony has confirmed that the PS3 is not worth 600 but rather 499 at the most. Where is my refund? I played one game on my PS3 because I don't like the other one, no FPS for me. I paid $100 dollars to pay $60 dollars to play 1 game? Yay, sony had to drop their price 3 times faster than MS due to lack of demand, yay. This is good news foe sony. Lets PS fans banned together and claim this is good news for sony, yay. Then we all give each other hand jobs in the video game section at our local best buy, Lets go guys!

[nix]

dude... you're a xbot in disguise. QUIT TROLLING UNDER THAT NAME! )X

[sony fan]

How dare you sir, I lick sony's balls every night, like all PS3 owners. Seriosly, it is supposed to be very clear that I am not a sony fan, it is called satire, with a little sarcasm. I'm sorry if it went over your head, but damn!! people really believe I am a sony fan? LOL

[SWORDF1SH]

if you look at sales you will see that if you align the launch dates that sony have sold about the same as the 360 at the same point in its life. you can slag off sony as much as you want. ms tactics to get the better of the other consoles from the start have to been to bully, be childish and throw a low blow when ever possible. things like tryin to wreck a ps3 launch, havin a gta4 tatoo on your arm to show off theyve got gta4, tryin to buy exclusive and repeated comment on the ps3 instaed of concentrating on there own problems jus shows the nature of the company. people can say about sony being smug but at least they have something to be smug about and the attitude that ms have is 10 times worse.

[rain1971]

Hey Moore, you receeding haired B*****d; looks like you`ll be bald at the end of the year, what with your bonus out the window. Hey, your customers want 1 Billion in cash.

[Sevir04]

the ps3 is still 500 and 600, but now it's becoming more valuable at it's new price points in it's 2 respective configuration. still, the 60 gig is still the only model in the states till some day in august. so as of right now it's still a price drop untill the new model comes in

[EZCheez]

Peter Moore is right. During an interview with a G4 journalist, Jack Tretton himself said that he did not consider this to be a price cut.

[SIX]

Blah blah blah.......blah

[THC PRITCHARD]

like i said He talks Bollox

I think he is THEmart

[XxZxX]

maybe because themart is not here for awhile, he might to busy preparing for E3.

[Babylonian]

Like fixing the issue with all the defective Xbox 360 units. Damn, these guys and all the other Xbots are really obsessed with the PS3.

give it a rest pathetic loser. Killzone deliverd, MGS4 stays exlusive, Sony stole E3. So now it comes to this nitpicking?

Depressing little tormented creatures, I have no idea how you feel but it must be bad. Get some therapy.

[genericname]

how does this guy keep a job?

[TruthHurts]

he drives companys into the ground w/ bad decisions.
Peter Moore being involved w/ the 360 is the WORST thing about the 360 (in my opinion)

[MetalProxy]

Good question! Nothing smart ever comes out of his mouth.

[kewlkat007]

the 80 GIG PS3 was the same price as the 60 GIG Model..WTF

What's the whole point of the 60 gig and 80 gig, when most people(that are not tech savy) would rather buy the "Bigger Gigger" because Sony is touting Online videos and such..

If the 80 Gig is $599, what a dumb move. You drop the price $100, then add another EXTRA 20 GIG for $100 more...ehhh

Smoke and Mirrors as always.

I know some will buy their own HDD, but not every casual gamer knows how to do that sh!t or would take the risk.

Notice most Sony fans haha don't care to give it a second though, hehe more red ring jokes from you guys and the usual Sony FTW. Anyhow still scratching my head...WTF

EDIT: TruthHurts - I know I stated that, did you read what I wrote. Not everybody is going to do that anyhow. One would be a fool, to not see where I'm coming from and what Sony just did.

[TruthHurts]

YOU CAN REPLACE THE HDD w/ ALMOST ANY HDD.

so...........

@kewlkat.

yes, i read what you wrote.
did you read what i wrote.
i`m simply saying its not that big of a deal.
while your Laughing at Sony fans.

[sajj316]

You forget that the 80 GB model also comes with Motostorm. Now I do agree that its smoke and mirrors to an extent. Motostorm + 20GB <> $599.99 as a 'good' deal in some people's mind but others will think its a bargain. If the US is selling 60K to 80K per month ... don't you think it would help drive sales to 100K+? Essentially for the same price you would pay last month for the PS3, you are getting Motostorm + 20GB. Isn't MS still selling the 20GB HDD at $99.99 (I could be wrong here). Its a deal compared to what the 360 premium and even the Elite is offering right now. Things will change when MS eventually cuts the price.

[Dudeson42]

Right, but your average consumer doesnt know that. And people who are not as tech savvy as most of us here are scared to death of guessing if two pieces of hardware are going to play nice together. And it doesnt help that alot of electronic store employees arent as knowledgable as many would like them to be.

[kewlkat007]

all I was trying to say. Actually I didn't know you get Motorstorm, but Sony had Bundle deals already with the $599 SKU, so now it's Motorstorm + 20 GIG.

Do you think that's a big difference from the older 60 giger Bundles?

Well the game is a lot better than Genji..hehe and you get 20 gigs but in a couple of months Motorstorms value has dropped as new games come out and it will be a best seller, with a price reduction.

So personally if I was getting PS3, I would get the $499 60 giger model and buy Motorstorm when it becomes(greatest hits) cheaper, a year later, as well, I can get it used. Sony has that good coating so no problems.

PLUS being that I'm a technology nut, and I know how to change a HDD, as I will upgrade my PS3 as well, but man not every casual gamer is gonna go out and buy HDD's to put into the PS3. Yes we on N4G know all about that sh!t.( I would hope)

Personally the $100 is good, well it's getting there for people that still can't afford it, at that price, but the new 20Gig drive plus Motorstorm, is not worth the price being $600, yet again.

Man no wonder I wait, and wait and wait, till I will purchase one. I used to be an early adopter, but there is no way, I'm not gonna be a tool, for buying a console that has a Drive, that is part of a format war, were I hardly watch movies, and have to pay for it early on. I want a game console first then everything else. Sony has been anything but unless you wanna through E3 in there..hehe

[sajj316]

You pay at a premium when you buy the hardware. The price of the hardware will be marginal to reasonably high. The production of the machine is always in questions and can be a down right PR nightmare (ie 360 hardware failures early on).

I bought the $599.99 PS3 with this in mind. Did I think there was going to be a price drop by years end, yup. Did I know that the games are not there yet, yup. Did I know that my primary use will be to play PS2 games and BD movies for now, yup. I bought it despite this because I bought it on sheer potential. I'm an early adopter because I love the technology.

My suggestion would also be to buy the 499.99 model considering I think the value of Motostorm is close to the 'Best Seller' category. I think the 80GB model will be the standard model once the 60GB is out of stock minus Motostorm at will sell for 499.99. The pattern will be to cut prices on older models ... so lets say they release a 120 GB model in January of 08. They will cut the 80GB model to 449.99 or lower and sell the 120 GB model at a price lower than 599.99. This will be the trend until production costs lower to the point where they can sell one SKU at a mass market price of say 299.99 or lower.

[cartman313]

There are simple instructions in the PS3 Manual, on how to change out the HDD.

[kewlkat007]

about early adopters, I used to be one, but now I pick my spots and is more selective. Money is tough these days, so those days are gone as being the first. i could of gotten an Iphone but why would I? I have aT-Mobile dash that does what it is suppose to do first. Iphone is not a phone first type deal.

Anyhow Yes, I wold go the same route as you say. To think, the casual gamers that will purchase the PS3 at that "SWEET SPOT PRICE" will probably be the winners, as the PSN will be up to snuff, much more games, 200Gig drive, and smaller processors. I' don't know if I will wait that long since, I'm an avid FF player, but right now, I'll be busy with the 30 and wii this holiday.

sajj316, you seem to bring more to these articles unlike others, even if you like a certain console. Just like, I know Maddenraiders loves his PS3 and he knows I like my 360, I actually respect most of his comments, even though he can be a hothead. Too bad N4g, has become console basher site.

[funkysolo]

M$ could of added wifi, Harddrive and HDDVD to every 360 console and better components to make a better 360 experiance. How do you feel about 1.2 billion dollars down the drain when they could of spent that money to make a better 360? Xbots sound so stupid defending M$, when they know M$ release a short sided console. Defend the games not the cheap azz hardware. I'm gonna sell my son's 360 premium and get him a PS3, anybody interested?

[Dudeson42]

When people act like they're suprised that one of Sony's COMPETITORS criticizes them at the biggest media event for thier respective industry. What do you expect him to say? "Yeah, the PS3 is looking good these days. People should really consider getting one instead of my system..."

I mean give them all a break, Sony, Nintendo and MS are all against each other, lets stop belittling our own intelligence by acting so suprised when one company digs on another.

[sony fan]

Even though those who bought an xbox 1.5 years ago have been playing awesome games ever since and the xbox is still worth the same, I'm not gonna be upset that I paid 600 for my PS3 6 months ago and had NO GAMES and now the rice is already dropping. Lets all act like we love sony anyway even though we look like retarded sony ball lickers.

[nice_cuppa]

i'm a poor college guy.
i want a ps3.
how much do i need to spend ?

thats right 499.

i get a better deal now than last week but its still 499.

do you see.

don't just disagree because you like Sony or hate Xbox.
man up and explain why !

do you see my point though sajj316

[sajj316]

Come on man ... where are your priorities. Save the money on the books and buy a PS3. You could always photocopy lessens/chapters from other people ;)

Better question .. how much money does a college student spend on booze a month?

<<< THE ABOVE SUGGESTIONS ARE CRAZY SO IGNORE THEM IF YOU FIND IT STUPID >>>

[candystop]

They will never explain why and keep hitting disagree! Somebody is obviously insecure and afraid of hearing the truth or anything not pro Sony!

[kewlkat007]

my first year in college, well the PS2 debut a year later and I had to wait 2 1/2 to get it because I just could not afford it. I had the Dreamcast that year tho and loved plenty of games on it. Eventually I did own a PS2, and as well got an Xbox.

Of course not every college student drinks. if we do, it's probably some "CHEAP-ASS" beer. A place near my college had $1 drafts on certain nights, and Keg party was like $3 on the weekends. Over time it adds up but you just can't save in college. so much sh!t to do, and Video games might not be #1 on the list.

So yeah I feel college students that can't get a PS3, From my experiences, I had my Dreamcast/N64 and I remember, getting the cheaper Xbox first, then got the PS2 for FF games, and others. I was also play GoldenEye for N64 when I entered college in 99. That was the sh!t split-screen 4-players.

Anyhow Money can be tight for college students, don't don't make much and really had to scrap to even get into college..

[cartman313]

God, it's nice working for a company that pays for my school/books.

[kingjkv]

TY SAJJ16, this is the sole comment i've been wanting to say the whole time. HOw much do people spend on booze?? Just last night my friend (who thinks PS3 is expensive, but will wait for a price cut) buys a drink that's worth 70$$. Are u freaking kidding me. That could've went inside your PS3 jar.

[THE_JUDGE]

Besides look whos commenting on it. Peter Moore, the same guy who couldn't even get the Sega Saturn off the ground.

[tethered]

I have seen quite a few people saying that its not really a price drop.
They claim its just changing the options you get with the systems.

Here it is plain and simple:
If someone can go into any store (Best Buy, Circuit City, Walmart, etc.) and buy the exact same system as the one I have, for $100.00 less, how exactly is that not a price drop?

What the hell kinda spin are they trying to pull with this?
Panic is beginning to set in on the MS side of things I think and they are trying to make it look like it isn't as big of a deal as it really is.

[BIadestarX]

"true value" or not.. it seems to be working. PS3 sells increased the same day the PS3 price was dropped. Which is the whole point of dropping the price of a console. I think as long as Sony does not come up next month with an announcement about them dropping the $499(60GB) SKU as they did with the (20GB) SKU an leave only the $599; it was a good move by Sony. I only wish that Sony would have left the 20GB SKU... we would have a $399 SKU to chose from.
I think Moore is just being a PR guy... He very well know... price drop is good and Microsoft is going to have to do the samething. They are just waiting to see what happends... if the PS3 sells double this month... than that means Sony strategy on the price drop worked.

[achira]

wow, imo i didnt expect such comment for you! +rep

[Why o why]

even heads in company's downplay the competition. if sales increase then it worked. full stop

[tehcellownu]

i hope sony talk about their 3 red rings..lol..moore will feel threaten now

[felidae]

i work at a local videogame store and a lot of customers today asked about the ps3 and it's games. they also asked if the ps3 breaks as fast as the 360 and stuff. so i think the price cut takes effect.

but what do i know?

[SuperSaiyan4]

An Xbox 360 and I am extremely happy with it, mine is still working for over a year and I have been enjoying all that Microsoft has to offer from peripherals, games, online service and HD-DVD's via the add-on.

I also have a PS3 and recently have been enjoying a couple of blu-ray movies, Ninja Gaiden Sigma which I just completed and some of the online games that Sony has to offer.

Peter Moore has shown some ignorance in what he said - the 60gb PS3 has been reduced by $100 one could say Microsoft increased the price of the Premium by adding a bigger hard drive and a HDMI port...

[dale1]

moore has got problems of his own, 1 billion plus ,and thats the issue he wasn,t going to praise the ps3 or sony for there games or there quality of build
i mean what do you say its a bargain and ours is bargain basement crap

[xg-ei8ht]

You know much, you are wise.

Ahh screw that.

Go ps3. Yeah baby.

Cod4 @ 60fps.
Killzone2 @60fps.
UT3 For ps3&pc, and the ps3 version can use modded content from the pc version, now thats bi^ching.

Devs finally learning the cell&rsx.

Well done the devs!!!

[Snake_Doctor]

"They've added greater value in the form primarily of storage at the same price points."
exactly what MS did with the elite... No... wait what was the question? j/k
PR is PR is PR, I wonder if he thought of that one on the spot or if he planed it on way.

I do think they will drop the price on the 360 but it may be closer to the end of the year since they are expecting Halo to sell MANY consoles, even fugly green ones. You know somebody will buy it ;}

Edit: so did you disagree on my joke or that they will drop price on 360? Or do you seriously think those green 360s look good? lol

[kevoncox]

What he is saying is that the price options are the same. The problem with the ps3 isn't the options. It's the price. People weren't buying to core because that was too expensive. So now you drop the price of the Premium down to the core. It doesn't solve the problem. Most people buying a ps3 deosn't know how many gigs the system has. Also in 2 months motorstorm should be reduced to 39.99 or 29.99.

You are basicaly buying 20 gigs for 70 or 60 dollars.
What is going to happen to this SKU 6 months from now when Motorstorm is too old to sell. I See where you guys are coming from but to the customer 499.99 and 599.99 are still the same. The value for the stuff has always been there.

[Snake_Doctor]

I see your point but the console that used to cost more now cost $100 less, ignoring the other system bundle that isn't available now. People are buying that system now, I actually think the 20 gig would have sold better had it been available, in most places you couldn't find one and I know people that would by if it were 399 right now. I heard that the bundle is a limited edition and I expect that Sony will drop the 60 gig down to 450 and sell the 80 gig at 500 around Christmas.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

If this guy would just stay a bit moore humble and admit that ps3 and the wii both have good systems on there had they would be better off. From the gate he has been bashing ps3 from the gate , yet xbox sales have been slugish since both the wii and the ps3 came out...tey have sold 1.6 million systems since december why wii has sold about 4 million and playstion 3 sold about 2 million with because of the Euro launch...All of the major system ned to stop bashing and make games already..If they woulda made killer instict for the 360 that woulda got them some points for e3 maybe they will announce at x07

[THAMMER1]

SONY dropped the price earlier that projected because of the 3rd place current sales position. This will bring in allot of new customers. I know 2 people who have picked on up recently after the announcement. $500.00 is a good spot for them right now. This is true.

Peter More is too busy pointing out that it is still not a value at a $500.00 price point. As for gamers who follow the industry.., no it is not a value yet because it has no games to support the purchase yet. That only makes for small percentage of the video games market that know what to look for.

The mass market is not video games nerds who know what is behind the games and marketing. The developers need to focus on the hard core and people like Peter More needs to focus on the mass market and they want price drops not smart elicit remarks.

[kewlkat007]

Give the guy a Break..he was asked a question and he is telling it like he sees it.

I see it the same way, They should not introduce the 80gig SKU for, yet the same damn price the PS3 has been that pass few months.

Like I stated, you announce a price drop of $100 then go ahead, with a new SKU with 20Gig of difference and a game for the same price at what you started as. If this SKU suppose to be better, then wouldn't most people want it?

When you think Sony and these prices comes to your head $599/$499, your like "these prices still look the same from day one." As opposed to like $499/$399, which looks better from a consumer POV and word of mouth. I get what Moore is saying.

We will see what happens and which SKU gamers prefer, and I bet you it won't be the 80 giger, because like I stated, Motorstorm will have collapse in price after a year, and as well as new games coming out.Makes no sense getting the 80gig SKU IMO......talk about smoke n mirrors, in a way.

Everybody is always on the defensive and attack mode. Take a minute, stop being a fanboy for a second, even if you do like one console, no need to start cracking jokes, when you can't comprehend or have any substance of your own, besides the disagree button. Just like the Staples "BUTTON".

THAT was EASY. lol

[Fat Onion]

I figure it cost sony maybe $10 more to make the 80 GB version over the 60 GB version.

They might as well make it come with kilzone 2. So that would be like selling Killzone for $90.

[kurruptor]

I fail to see the logic in, they replaced the $600 system with a new $600 system, so there was no price cut...

Bottom line.
In North America, 2 weeks ago the cheapest PS3 was $600. Now the cheapest PS3 is $500. How is that not a price cut?

edit: To 23.1... That is what I am saying.

[tethered]

Because right now you can buy the exact thing I bought 6 months ago for $100.00 less.

That is exactly what a price cut is.

duh!

Stop trying to spin it.

[the_bebop]

While what he said is not totally wrong. I and many other have the right to disagree.

So Good night and good luck for now.

[Bill Gates]

XBOTS are BABOONS + Peter Moore is a BABOON = Match made in BABOON heaven....hahhahhhhaa

[MetalProxy]

Hey man they where born that way, you cant get to upset about it.

[TheMART]

Hahah

Well I've actually not thought about it this way, but he's pretty right.
First there was:

PS3 20 GB for 500 EUro/dollar
PS3 60 GB for 600 Euro/dollar

Then they say we only will make the 60 GB 600 dollar/euro version.
Suddenly a 80 GB model pops up and the situation is:

PS3 60 GB for 500 Euro/dollar
PS3 80 GB for 600 Euro/dollar

Actually it was a coverup and giving you some extra GB's in HDD. But you can place your own big ass HDD. So really indeed. What's the point? If you got the PS3 20 GB for 500 Euro you got about the same deal.

And everyone just believed Sony doing a pricecut, when they only did a hokus pokus Houdini magic dissapear trick!

@ tethered (below)

Na dude. I see it like this.

You could play the same game with the same graphics on a 500 dollar PS3 before with a 20 GB HDD.

Now you can play the same game with the same graphics on a 500 dollar PS3, only you get 60 GB HDD.

It's a covered upgrading from 20 GB PS3 to a 60 GB PS3. But then lets first say the 20 GB isn't continued, so people see 600 dollar/euro as the new pricepoint and then after everybody is used to the new 600 dollar only pricetag, lets get the 500 model back in as a marketingtrick!

That way everybody think we are giving low prices, while we're actually not! And that's the way it is actually.

[tethered]

Idiot!

You could buy the exact same PS3 I have for $100.00 less than what I paid. Thus its a price drop.

What part of this don't you understand?

Edit:
Well Mart, you see it wrong then.

My neighbor that has no PS3 can go pick one up exactly like mine for $100.00 less than that exact system was before.

No matter how you try to spin it, it is still $100.00 less for the same system.

It is a sign of desperation by anyone that won't accept that simple fact.

[Siesser]

If you're just going to compare them like that, it's more than just hard drive. At the $500 price point, you have an extra 40 gigs and built in wi-fi now (the whole reason I bought the 60gig model in the first place) and the card readers. At the $600 level, you've got an extra 20 gigs and a game. If I were buying a new one at this point, I'd just take the $500 model and uppgrade the hard drive to a much larger size, but there are probably those out there who are too afraid/lazy to tinker with such things.

Either way, it's more than just HD size.

[TheMART]

But still, be fair:

the lowest price to be able to jump in with the PS3 was:

500 EUro/dollar

The lowest price to be able to jump in with the PS3 is:

500 Euro/dollar

So there has been no 'real' pricecut to get into PS3 gaming. You get a bit more now for 500, but that's it.

The ones that are waiting for a lower price of indeed 399 EUro, are still waiting...

[Siesser]

Ok, true, the barrier of entry to owning a system remains the same. But what you get is different. They dropped the price on their SKU, not on their cost of entry, and that's all people are trying to defend. If Elite dropped to 399, and the pro to 299, I'm sure that would be considered a "price drop" by many. Because it is. The cost of a specific item has dropped. If they didn't still have the $600 model, that may be more easily accepted.

I can see your point though, about it being "more for the current price" than it is "same for a lesser price." Just two different ways of going about it, I guess. Either way, the equivalent of what you would have bought before this price change is more expensive than it is after.

[360Sheep]

wow some thick headed skulls in this bunch, ok ok, maybe don't consider it a price cut, consider it a gift from sony. Last week, what were people buying the 60GB model for.. thats right, 599, and this week? lets see, yup its 499. So for the same price as the 60 gb model, now you get 80gb and a platinum selling game. Ok kids lets refresh, the same exact price as last week, for those same 599 dollars that you would have spent, now you get 20 extra GB and a Game... for FRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Say it with me people, for FREE.. ah doesnt that sound nice, for FREE... mmmmmmm FREE, sounds good to me. Wait what is that i hear? You don't want 20 extra GB and a game for free?? ok, well here is the original model for 100 dollars less, there ya go, does that make you happy? Ok people, this is not a price cut, this is a gift from sony for its loyal customers, imagine that, a company that actually cares about the people who buy it, not like M$, hey here is a newer model of the 360, well its black now and it has some stuff that should have originally come with the models, but we are going to charge you 80 EXTRA (MORE) dollars for it... haha you damn sheep, get a clue

[monoknacker]

You cannot be that ignorant that you do not see that a system (with the same specs) that is $100 less then the days before has has had a price cut, Moore is on damage control. I live in the UK and i am still waiting for them to do something here before i pick up a PS3. The rumoured bundle deal seems really sweet though and that might just tempt me.

[REbirth]

yeah i'm from portugal...and i'm still waiting for a good ps3 price (300€) and good games...i love rpg... and didn't seen a good one in ps3...but i still playin my ps2 and it's very addictive...and has good games that i still didn't play...

[jlytle1234]

"Interestingly, I didn't see a price cut, and I must have been reading the wrong thing. It's still USD 499 and USD 599,"
Get this man in politics. Thats some clever spin. Maybe he should get some addition and subtraction table tatoos.
Interestingly, He is a [email protected], I must be reading that wrong. No wait....He is still a [email protected]

[JosefTor]

Is this guy for real? Even if you don't consider it a price cut which it is, Microsoft at least should have "not" cut their price either and made the Elite console for $399 and the Premium at $299 and phase out the core model. I mean... according to Microsoft... that wouldn't be a price cut at all?

I guess when Microsoft finally announces a price cut, the elite will sell for $349 and the premium for $249 right? That would be a $50 price cut on his views. I'm sure it would feel like one to them. The reason is, the 360 premium is a viable product unlike the core. The 60gb PS3 is viable unlike the 20gb so people would have to buy the elite (in microsoft's case) or the 80gb PS3 that adds almost no value.

I've long been a fan of Microsoft from their first console on the launch day, but.... being a fan of Microsoft is getting harder and is starting to seem like they are bringing the console generation in the wrong direction.

[REbirth]

what he wants to say is... sony should have done what they did with 360... not a price cut but a expensive one (elite)... 60gb was 599 now is 499 and it's the same that was a month ago so?..."no it's not a price cut" remember that it's a price cut cus the console is the same...60gb wireless and bla bla bla you know!...

EDIT: for the stupid ones that don't understand a price cut..the thing is

the 20gb version of ps3 wasn't the same of the 60gb...(who has wireless and card reader and more 40gb) BUT the 60gb 599$ is the same of the 60gb 499$...so it's a price cut or not? get the real xbox OWNERS...

[kewlkat007]

Begin 1st month - $599 60GB PS3, $499 Core PS3
After 4th months $499 core PS3 disappears.
After 8th months, Price-Cut $499 60GB PS3.

Begin 9th month - $499 60GB PS3
After 9th month $599 (80GB) PS3 + (Motorstorm)

Difference between ($499 60GB PS3 + $599 80GB PS3)
A. 20 GBs
B. Motorstorm

a. 20 GB is a sh!t upgrade if you ask me. Competitor adds 100GB and you add 20GB....Give me a break.
b. A game thats almost a year old, will soon be on the clearance racks as a "Greatest Hits", as more titles come out a year later. ADD KZ2, then we got a deal.

The added Value of the ($599 80GB PS3) NONE, ZERO, NADA.

***Conclusion***
Were back at square one, $599 80GB PS = $499 60GB PS3 + 20GB. All I'm saying is, what is the point? The PS3's are still EXPENSIVE. You -$100, then you +$100 somewhere else..Smoke and Mirrors.

What I would do as a Casual gamer, BUY $499 PS3 + Motorstorm used or at it's "Greatest Hits" price, that always comes around the holiday season, to boost software sales, and ring in, the new titles.