Atari Founder: Xbox 360 Has the Advantage, PS3 Not Compelling

Speaking in an interview over at gaming blog Joystiq, Atari and Chuck E. Cheese founder Nolan Bushnell has once again expressed his disappointment with the PlayStation brand.

Bushnell-who previously had said that the PlayStation's success was an "accident"-reiterated that Sony was simply in the "right place at the right time" with the original PlayStation.

"It wasn't that they had put together an incredible product, they just filled a void that the market had at the time," he said. "Consumers wanted a new gaming system, and Sony was there. There weren't really any other choices as far as the technology available, at the time."

[P4KY B]

Here we go again!!!

[MikeMichaels]

you mean those guys that help crash the entire game industry in the early 80's.

The ones who released a pathetic 64-bit system that got slaughterd in both gameplay and graphics by the 16-bit systems.

The same Atari that only exists as a letter head for Infogrames to pawn it's grabage?

That Atari?

[Marriot VP]

what does the atari founder know about video games anyways....?

[J@D]

Nothing, Nada, Niente.

[Scythesean]

He knows nothing he just sits in a dark room watching kids all across america in his Chuck E. Cheese play in the ball pit.

[Razzy]

eeeewww creepy.

[Boink]

this should bring in the sony defenders by the boatload,

it's just one guys opinion, no the word of god, relax boys:)

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

All the new systems are great. This guy is just on the FUD train. Do we ever hear this much FUD about 360 even though they commonly break down at least 30 percent of the time. No we dont this is just developers not wanting sony to be number one again.

[kewlkat007]

This guy is about to be chewed up as usual, like he is a nobody, and doesn't have opinions like everybody else. Well it did say he is co-founder, I wonder what he is doing now?

Yes Sony got lucky, and was in the right place at the right time, Thanks to Nintendo's arrogance and greed. Ya Should of dumped the cartridges Nintendo.

Anyhow I played some great games on the PSone, and some sequals on the PStwo, now enjoying the 360. The Ps3 has this Sequals Syndrome going on, well thats why I can wait.

So it is, what it is mates..

[gnothe1]

that every time someone mentions the Ps3 not being better than the xbox, Sony boys get all defensive an start talking about the xbox breaking down.ok we get it!! the system is having problems, but you cant deny that MS is doing a great job getting these consoles fixed at no cost to the consumer, what more can you ask for. did they or did they not have to bring a class action LAWSUIT against Sony for the faulty dvd drives in the PS2. things like this happen!! did that stop the PS2 from being a great system NO!! is it gonna stop the 360 from beinga graet system!! NO!! so can we please just put that to rest!!

an I agree with him, the PS3 just ain't that compelling right now!! Sony can CLAIM superiority over the 360 without showing it an you Sony boys just eat it up!! right now what is the Ps3 doing better than the xbox360 to make you say its a better GAMING CONSOLE!! don't come in here with that HOME, LBP, AN MGS4 NONSENCE BECAUSE THAT STUFF AINT AVAIBLE, an no one knows how that stuff will be!! there's NO games that show the PS3 is a better console, so until that happens you guys need to get off that high horse your riding!! I do like the photo slide show on the Ps3, that's one of the coolest thing about the system!!

[SmokeyMcBear]

i thought it cost 130 dollars to send in the 360 for repairs? Hmm.. i guess it was before the extended warranty because of all the complaints, I wonder how many people actually had to pay to get the system fixed. But yeah.. 360 has all these awesome games like.. gears and uhhh..mmm..uhh.. well it has some awesome games. The systems will have some awesome games in the future, to each their own.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

He has a small valid point, in that Sony definitely was in the right place at the right time with the PS1. That is not saying it was not a great product, cause it was. It's just it was a great product that lept ahead of the competition at a perfect moment in time.

I think you have to give tons of credit ot Sony for the way they leveraged their brand...ESPECIALLY when you look at the PS2! The crushed everyone and they did it via brand and relationships.

As for the PS3. I think it is still very early to really judge how it will fare. Lets come back to this in 2008 and see where everything stands after a full year under the belt.

[techie]

interesting read about ps2
http://archive.salon.com/te...

[Aeroglyphics]

Great article Deep. It's kind of scary how similar those two articles are. Just goes to show you people always have something to say. In the end only time will tell.

[specialguest]

Last year, he lashed out at the PS3 with some pretty crude statements.

[Funky Town_TX]

Someone has an opinion that does not match yours. Off with his head.

[predator]

Funny read that.lol

[r1000]

This coming from a guys who's console part of his company no longer exist....hmm...

[Close_Second]

...Atari no longer makes hardware. When Bushnell created Atari and was at its helm he put America on the gaming map. His biggest mistake was selling his stake in Atari, putting control into the hands of people that valued profit over product. Bushnell was a gaming pioneer and as such has earned the right to pass comment and to be honest, I dare say he knows a damn site more about gaming than most of the people who place comments on this site. Hell, just because some people play games they think it makes them an expert.

If Bushnell had not sold his stake in Atari back in the 80's I dare say we would not have a Sony or Xbox today...

[StrboyM]

its over for the ps3, Bushnell has spoken....I would listen to this guy people. he knows a lot about useless crap systems....(cough cough* jaguar). well actually he backed his own dead system, so if hes against the ps3....thats a good thing^^

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

the truth.
spoken well.

[Stiffler203]

Bushnell sold Atari to Warner Communications in 1976 for $28 million when it was at its peak dumba$$e$, so before you post your sh!t do some research. He has nothing to do with Atari at all since then and defiantly didn't make the Jaguar. So all you Sony fangirls can stop your b!tching and face it your systems is sh!t. Also if you ever played Xbox 360 you would know theres way more games then just GOW.

[r1000]

whoa I'm sorry to offend you man... I didn't know you and Bushnell were related.

Who the F cares what happened to Atari sold or not sold, get off your high pedestal bro... don't think your so wise cuz you read a couple of articles here and there.

I've heard sony fanboys, MS fanboys, Nintendo fanboys.. but now I have to look out for Atari Fanboys...

[tomfoolery]

Question:Did Sony charge to fix the ps2s with problems?I have one
that never gave me a problem.

Statement:GTA series without a doubt helped sell ps2s.Bushnell was right about a couple of things,and Sony definitely had the third party
support.Right place right time thing he was mentioning.

[slugg]

Sony just refused to admit there was a problem, even after they were sued and lost. I was part of the class-action lawsuit, and all I got from Sony when they lost was a crappy year-old game-- NOT a replacement system. So this is one reason why the PS2 sold so well-- lots of people had to buy more than one at their own expense when the one they had crapped out.

[weekapaugh]

lol....he is still hating on the PS1.

[power091999]

Although I do not agree with his opinion, I do agree that gaming wouldn't be what it is today with him.

Atari shaped America back in the day.

[Bullseye]

Atari revolutionised the idea of video games. They may not have been the absolute first, but they deffinitely, made the most impact in the early days, so respect to him for that.Of course, its a very different market now,so agree with him or not, but the ATARI brand remains part of our gaming heritage. I love my ATARI woody!

[InMyOpinion]

Atari paved the way for Nintendo...

[ITR]

Your so right. It was the India company that drug Atari down not it's founders.

Since he owns Chucks I bet he still making money off the kids and pizza and arcade games.

[RedSeven]

Obviousley this guy knows what he is talking about. If this man can create dancing rats and play pens for toddlers, then he obviousley has the know how to decide if the Playstation 3 is going to become a hit console. Chuck E. Cheese will have the final say of the video game industry future. Eventually there will be a Chuck E. Cheese console to topple them all.

[SIX]

The worlds oldest fanboy.

[GameJunkieJim]

That was Jack Tramiel who did that.

Bushnell is who we thank for the entire game console industry. Sure Baer made his first, but Bushnell made his better and made it commercially viable. He then sold it and Warner had the rights to the best console on the market, until Ray Kassar ruined it.

He was also extremely successful with Pizza Time Theater, a.k.a ShowBiz, a.k.a. Chuck E. Cheese.

If any man has a right to comment on the industry, it's certainly the one who's responsible for it.

Doesn't make him right or wrong, but he's certainly worthy of respect and he's certainly earned the right.

[Bullseye]

You are absolutely right about Bushnell and Tramiel.Wasn't Jack Tramiel the one who cheapened the whole atari range and basically ruined it? I love my ATARI woody

[highps3]

Go develop a game or something useful...

Your rant is typical and old and just down right annoying now a days...

Microsoft has done what right to its customers? With the delayed 1 year warranty, disc scratching, buggy games beyond anything ever previous (Madden, Dead Rising, Gears of War, etc) now customers not only have to pay 59.99 but basically have to spend another 479.00 for an updated console...

Sonys the bad one?

Yea.

[Stiffler203]

And thats why you have 1 bubble b/c you don't know what the fuk your talking about. Also Xbox-live is $49.99 do some research before you speak Dumba$$. Thats all you and all the other Sony fangirls can say about the Xbox 360. While i'm playing a sh!t load of games on my system your busy dusting your Sh!t off and thinking of ways to down play how good the 360 is.

[TheMART]

He puts it kind of black and white, but let's break down the things he says:

PS1 filled a gap back then, they were at the right place at the right time.

I think it's a bit of both worlds. Yes indeed, there was no mature gaming system that much. PS1 did that. But it was also due to some choices Sony made. They saw that market.

So done well. PS2 build on the succes PS1 had. Only thing that I found bad is the Sony hype lies why people waited with buying the Dreamcast because they believed Sony the PS2 would be 10 x more powerfull then a supercomputer...

Still PS2 is a nice system. God of War 2 is great (part one also). Now available for 99 Euro's in The Netherlands one should buy it for if you want PS exclusives.

PS3 isn't showing anything. It's dissapointing. On games/content, downloadable demo's, exclusives, online. Plus it is too expensive. And all consoles that were too expensive went right down the drain. 3D0, Neo Geo, Philips CDI

What happened Nintendo 10 years ago or so, being surprised by PS1, is done by XBOX now to Sony.

[zonetrooper5]

GameJunkieJim do you go on Bungie.net cos i swear i have seen you on the forums on the Bungie website.

Anyways, its his opinon and PS3 fanboys should you at least shut the hell up, oh noes someone's 360 broke it must be soooo bad, i've had the 3 red lights 2 times, all i did for each of them times was restart my console or took off my hard drive and restarted the console, yes there is a hardware fault which is causing the 3 red lights but before you call support turn the console off and then back on. As for buggy games, you got alot of them on the PS2 and PS3, its called Devs not polising the game up or meeting a certain deadline. As for the updated console which you mean Xbox 360 Eilte then its not needed, no one is forcing you to buy it, am i holding a gun to your head right now telling you to buy it? if not then shut up, jeez there are many idiots on this site which love bashing another console because they are either jelous or plain sad. Grow up fanboys please.

[GameJunkieJim]

But that's not really topical here.

;)

[slugg]

IF only Sony ADMITTED that Blu-Ray caused the delay and the expensive price for the system, and apologized for the lack of quality games up to now, then showed more of Lair, MGS4, FF XIII, Killzone, etc., and also tried to help developers work on the PS3, that they can still be successful with the PS3. Competition is good, and I don't care if Johnny plays his PS3 and loves it, I have my friends and we will be Rockin the Halo 3 Beta, then Forza 2, Mass Effect, etc. To each his own. But Sony (and their executives) tried to pull the same PR marketing crap they used to sink the Dreamcast, only this time they had to split their focus on both Nintendo and Microsoft, and consumers were far to savvy to buy into their cr@p. Pre-rendered video being mislead as actual gameplay, Assassins' Creed running on a 360 when supposedly PS3 exclusive, "Next Gen starts when we say it does," etc. Sony lost exclusives, they came out a year later with hardware that might, eventually, prove to be only slightly more powerful that the competition, and they made a$$es of themsevels along the way. Giant crabs and Riiiiidge Raaaacer. Oh, my god did I laugh my a$$ off over that. See, last time around the xbox was definately more powerful, and that and LIVE were the only things MS had on Sony. So this time, Sony decided they HAD to have the most powerful console and a better, free online network. (Uh, thats better that what you could do on the PS2, OBVIOUSLY not better than LIVE). Meanwhile, Microsoft looks at Sony's success and sees that the PS2 kicked a$$ with a less powerful system, but one that came out a year before the Xbox and had more exclusive games, and more games period. So MS released the 360 first, and kissed up to every developer they could while designing better tools for them to use to develop on the 360 (Which only makes sense, MS is a software company, after all). The funny thing about all this is that Sony got so worried about the Xbox being the most powerful system, it seems like that (and the whole Blu-ray trojan horse thing) are all they could think about, and they let MS steal the two main advantages that pushed the PS2 to the top. Time will tell how big of a mistake that was, but already the fact that MS AND Sony underestimated Nintendo is obvious...

[SKUD]

I bet that guy is thinking "o.k scratch that".

[rowdy 1]

It's ATARI!! Freaking Atari! what have you done for gaming lately? Atari? We're talking about Atari!! XBOX 360 = Atari. The Mart loves his Atari 360.

[Bullseye]

You sir, are a baffoon if you ignore the importance of Atari and thereby the importance of Nolan bushnell. However i trust that this heresay is due to a lack of gaming knowledge and not malicious intent.Wash out your mouth with soap and water and we'll forget the whole incident.EDIT Almost forgot.. I love my ATARI woody.

[Keyser]

Its this guys opinion and he's entilted to it. He says its right place right time. It may or may not be. PSone introduced CD gaming. I'm sure Nintendo said it's not needed and games get scratched. The same line for PS3 and bluray. If people don't want it they won't buy it and that will be the proof. There are a lot of reasons for each consoles success and every reason is debatable.
He may want to see the demise of Sony at the hands of...anybody but it's very unlikely.

Edit: Sorry I should've said why I think it's unlikely.

PS3 has a large fan base of PS2 owners who own many PS2 games they will want to play on their PS3 in the next few years. As HDTV's increase in popularity and reduce in price, as the statistics are showing, gamers will want HD movies and games in one device. They get that with the PS3. Sure you can do it with the 360 but when you come to the counter you bring two items the 360 and the HDDVD add on. It makes you feel like you're buying more stuff as your cart fills with add-ons. Both the 360 and PS3 price will drop. 360's probably after this Christmas and the PS3 probably before next Christmas.

I don't doubt that the 360 will eat into the Sony marketshare but it will not be the PS3's demise.

I didn't mention the Wii because I don't believe it replaces a console. I believe that many Wii buyers will one day also buy a PS3 or a 360 (maybe both). The Wii is an addition to video gaming fun, personally, I don't see it as the sole source except at retirement homes (I'm not joking).

I hope all are moderately successful so that the competition the next round of console wars is the crowning achievement of gaming. 8-10 core processors all linked in the 720 and 4-cells in a PS4. That way you can have a conversation with your console like Space Odessy 2001 (old movie). They both will probably open the garage and turn off the oven too. :)

[Cartesian3D]

after GDC and harrison keynote, atari get angry ... they work on same project on PC ... JK ..:P

anyway its his opinion and its a multi billion business and his opinion is NOTHING here..

but about XboX situation , imo 360 situation make MS to put more moeny in gaming (becuz MS believe they can take market share from sony).. so every little guys like him said which one has better situation or not or which will win ( who cares ) we must be happy and enjoy new IPs like ( Gears,Little big planet,HOME,Mass effect,Bioshock,Uncharted,Heav enly sword.... ) mayB without this competition we never see these new titles ever...

ROFL at this: "He also claimed that his "****engineer friends****" said the PS3 is very difficult to program for and "that's keeping a lot of good things from the PlayStation 3, because engineers and developers are shying away from it.""
xD LOL!!

[ApocalypseShadow]

nice find deep.

more FUD for gamers like the mart.

when sony fans voice their opinion on the busted nature of 360 system,the higher than normal prices for accessories,the higher than normal pricing of the revision of the system(not even 2 years later),the lack of real japanese support,why do you take up arms?

when sony fans voice their opinion on the lack of support from microsoft when they dropped the xbox,the disc scratching,the hacked accounts,paying for repairs,paying for online play,gamers being on their second all the way to fifth 360 system(one gamer on his seventh),why do you take up arms?

when sony fans voice their opinion on the lies of 6 million connected gamers online when they hide the real numbers of WHO is PAYING for live and who is just using SILVER for FREE,when they lie and say that they sold 10 million system but neglect to tell you they flooded the market at retail and they are not in gamers hands.why do you take up arms?

nolan says ps3 is not compelling.hmmmmm......

plays great games like resistance,motorstorm,VF5,f1,r r7,etc
plays bluray movies,cds,dvds,and pretty much any disc
plays ps1/ps2 games
links to psp and does remote play
has great online and up to 40 players lag free
has card/memory stick readers
has motion control
has more power in the cpu
runs quiet and cool
updates don't brick the system
recognizes most usb attatchments
has a great future outlook
etc,etc,etc

and he says ps3 is not compelling.he sounds just as bad as carmack(didn't make one console game yet in 20+years-the lazy punk) in deep's article link.he may just not like sony and their control of the market.a "japanese"company running right over an american company that has billions of dollars but is losing billions to just take market share.

sony is doing just fine."the more things change,the more they stay the same."same talk with ps1.same talk with ps2.same talk with ps3.

[Xi]

lag free. sorry dude, I think you might be blind.

[SmokeyMcBear]

nice post shadow.. you know what xi.. i think you might not even have a ps3. But there are laggers, ive seen some, if there are, its basically one person on the map that lags, and everyone gives em hell for it.. haha, its pretty funny what people say when they encounter a lagger, headsets are funny. But yeah, wireless online and have no problems.

[deadeyes99]

someone who knows the industry and truly state facts!

[OneBubbleBastard]

This guy should play more Bingo and leave the gaming analysis for sane people..

The only thing the 360 has right now over the PS3 is a head start..

Nothing the PS3 can't deal with this year and next..

M$ know the PS3 would come with a lot of new things and great ideas, so they rushed the 360 to gain as much territory as possible before the PS3 runs them over.. It's so predictable..

Xbots are dreaming thinking the 360 will dominate.. naaa get off the pipe f@kers..

Another generation that the xbots will get hurted cause their little defective platform tried everything, but couldn't compete with the Beast...

I dare anybody to take away my BUBBLES..

[sevenout]

Nolan Bushnell was the driving force behind videogames becoming more than just a fad and without him I don't think videogames would be anywhere near as popular as they are today. Although he did not invent videogames, Ralph Baer did, he took a simple game (Pong) and parlayed that into the Atari 2600 with Time/Warner which was a success and he personally made $28 Million (in 1977 dollars). Bushnell stayed on with Atari till he left because Time/Warner was run by bean counters (look at how Pac-Man and E.T. turned out). Bushnell wrongly got blamed for the crash in 1984, even though he had left Atari years earlier and was involved with Chuck E Cheese.

Put simply, out of all the "experts" out there on the game industry, Nolan Bushnell's opinion should most definitely be valued more than just about anyone else. People forget that he gave Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak their first jobs which enabled them to build Apple Computer.

[Silver360]

Does that mean that ps3 fans have lost something? Seriously why does it matter? Neither system will be so far ahead of the other that there will be the amount of third party exclusives that there were last generation. MS will have theirs and Sony will have theirs. There will be a ton of cross platform games. Only thing difference this time is that PS3 will not have the huge lead time with third party games. I think you PS3 guys will have some great games, but they don't interest me. I never owned a ps2 and won't own a ps3. I am not going to bash the system. No reason to. I just don't like SONY's marketing practices. I am not say MS are angels either but Sony were Aholes in the video gaming market first. I will never forgive them for the dreamcast. Enjoy your PS3 and I will enjoy my 360(launch system never a problem). It is time to give up on the hating it just doesn't go anywhere. Stop it!!!!!

[ApocalypseShadow]

i'm laughing at this guys obvious distaste for a japanese company wooping american a$$.i'm american,but i can see a better product on the market when i see it.just like cars(although U.S. trucks are great).

he says sony got lucky.he got lucky with atari.he got lucky with chucky cheese.it takes luck and a lot of work to make your product compelling for millions to buy.

sony pushed 3d when cleary sega should have.i love sega,but sega pushed sprites for sega saturn,not 3d when they had 3d games in the arcades.nintendo backstabbed sony because they didn't want sony to control the cd add-on for snes.that's their fault.not sony's.

sony then pushed adult gaming(not xxx).games are fun no matter what age you are.nintendo stuck with kiddy games.still fun,but gamers grew up.nintendo didn't.sony made gaming cool to play and put in the living room.and he(nolan)bashes it.

then sony pushes cd/dvd support for ps2.i didn't like how they made it seem like it was way more powerful than dreamcast,but they succeeded in showing me ps2 had and still has what it takes as a game system.

and now he bashes ps3.and i'm supposed to take what he says as truth.i don't think so.sony makes a lot of mistakes,has blowhards at the top,except for phil harrison(he seems collected and educated),stretches the truth(yeah,i know this),puts out a future proof system that should be breaking but isn't,adds features that i should think aren't needed.but time and time again,sony proves why they added it to the system.

all we need now is another article from some pc dev or "american consoles for america flag waving blowhard" like nolan to start the flames all over again next month.

[spacetoilet]

This is the guy that had the home video game industry by the balls but lost everything to Japan by putting out $H!T games one after another, and not forward thinking. They had the market. Had it! Controlled it! They were wildly popular for a while, and blew it. So I could not give two craps what this loser says.

[Marriot VP]

no you would have cared if he was praising the PS3

but hey, if anyone thinks the PS3 isn't that great they must not be reputable.

[elliot_]

sony just did what panasonic 3do, sega and other sistems didn't...
PS had CD player:D
it wasn't lucky...it was a revolution DUH!!!
if sony didn't appear at this time probably only the arcade games would survive and we were playin sega jupiter (new version of a sega saturn :P )

sony is a winner and this guy? oh i see a LOOSER...

[ApocalypseShadow]

he could have supported ps3 or not.but to say it is not compelling(ps3) is showing bias towards american entrepreneurism.even nationalism.

he supports microsoft because they are an american company.not because it is a better system.

take for example:

take out bluray just for kicks.let's say ps3 would have sold for $399.
the system still does more out the box than the 360.it would still have the cell chip,it would still have the card/memory stick readers,it would still allow you to surf the web,still have motion control,still have hdmi,still have a hard drive as standard,still have photo mode and video thumbnails.................... ............................... .........................still with me?

out the box,the ps3 is more compelling than 360.out the box.360 still had a head start.but if both would have arrived at the same time,sony would have run over microsoft.but it would have killed off ps2 quicker than sony would have wanted.remember,sony doesn't abandon its gamers until pretty much everyone has moved on to the next system.there's still money to be made on ps2.microsoft drops things like a bat out of h3ll.

he's showing bias.nothing more.but it is his opinion and choice.

[Marriot VP]

definitely agree, but you can't make the assumptions of price without Blu-ray. Because so many variables would change for Microsoft's pricing. They've been making 75$ since December and now it's probably over 100. They could drop the price but they chose not to because I guess they still want to ride the Halo 3 and Christmas train. Which is very disappointing because many of my friends and family were waiting for a price drop.

This guy is biased to a degree like everybody but we will really never know. Anyways yah just can't say the BR would have dropped the price down to 400, because we'll never really know. And that's not the case here, that isn't what he's complaining about. Sony's not giving the option, therefore they're destroying their demographic. He's complaining about what they're doing now, not the hypothetical situation.

[MikeMichaels]

...i've heard the $75 stuff before but nobodys ever proved this true.

[CrazzyMan]

Sony with psOne vs N64 and ps2 vs xbox360/GC, both times having weaker system, sold over 100 mln. consoles.
And now, when ps3 has better graphics of all consoles, but just higher price, won`t win this time?
price is nothing, when here a lot of good games, and those games will be released in this year.
599$ is not much, when you buy console for 5 years (60month) -- 10$/month.
All what people need, are good games like MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII, Killzone2, LBP, HS, NGS, Uncharted, Ratchet, GTA4, AC, Lair. Then price won`t matter.
Time will show, and ps3 will dominate. :)

[CaliGamer]

Shouldn't Gandalf be helping out Frodo and friends defeat evil in the Misty Mountains instead of spewing his crap? Where is Dr. Kevorkian when you need him?
I do agree this is some American centered rhetoric, nothing wrong with it mind you but he is simplifying a very complex issue. Sony has done a good job in the video game industry and thats a fact, he is a hater for trying to downplay their contribution.

[XxZxX]

AGAIN??? AINT he made the same statement last year.. renewing his bash??

[Shaka2K6]

He is just jelaous of the PS brand beacuase the Atari was such a huge flop and here knows like everyone around here deep down PS3 will be the king once again kick mayor butt and take names along the way.
nothing can stop that nothing!

[GameJunkieJim]

The Atari that Bushnell helped design sold in stores from 1976 to 1992. You get that? 16 YEARS! Kassar did the 5200, and Tramiel did the 7800 and Jaguar.

What are you anyway, 12?

Grow up, gaming has been around longer than PlayStation.

While I personally think that the PS3 has at least 5 years in it, I do not disregard the opinions of an industry icon on a whim because he said something against my console.

Stop being a fanboy.

[xg-ei8ht]

oh ffs get it straight ppl, ms f00k ppl up the a$$ everyday. And i'll tell you this from devs i know, vista is the worst piece of sh^te for gaming there is. And thats a fact. overbloated piece of ^"^&.

I have one for ya.

My friend dosent like chips,potato's, infact he hates them. Maybe he thinks he'll put me off them.

I on the other hand love eating them and always will.

You buy what you want, and what you want you buy.

I think the xbox360 is a very nice system, and some of the games i've had a go at are very good. I don't doubt there are some excellent games to come. And i look forward to seeing and playing them.

Now heres the dilema, Do i purchase a system with a year head start, and lower price, because of those facts, or do i wait to see what the competition has that i might like also, then make my choice.

I also don't doubt the ps3 is harder to program for, to deny that is silly. But to say programmers are shying away from it, is also silly.

Alot of devs,studios are waiting for a bigger user base. I and for one don't blame them. If you don't make profit, then whats the point. Business isnt all fun and games!

And for the people beating down the ps3, your infact wasting your time.

This this a known fact, there is just no getting away from. PS3 is Young, By xmas this year, You may be wondering if YOU made the right choice.

And sony didnt kill sega, Sega killed sega.

[ErcsYou]

"applaud" well put . you my friend earned a bubble my fav. "sega killed sega"

[D3acon]

Its too early in the life cycle, its been five months. I think the ps3 is making excellent progress, every update seems to release more and more of the ps3s potential. Right now the only fustrating thing for me, and what Microsoft is more Geared to, is the first person shooter market. The pickings are very bare right now, but there is a butt load coming out by the 4th quarter. Resistance is an excellent game but a little too arcadie for me, because I like tactical shooters. I will say Halo is the best arcade style first person shooter I ever played and has a good balance of what I like and don't like in a first person shooter of its type. What were we talking about...

I can really give this guy credit if he doesn't even own one or ever owned one. I think he's a bit jaded because the games have gotten more complicated, I believe he still likes the simple games that you can download from xbox live. Anyway his company went in the toillet and his opinion is speculative and maybe a wii bit biased.

[GameJunkieJim]

But he sold the company while it was VERY profitable. It took Warner and Kassar to make it go in the toilet, and Tramiel to finally kill it.

[power of Green]

I agree with him i have put it in the past PS1 success was a fluke. Its clear consumers are more savvy this time around and theres much less Hype spill over to generation to generation companies have to earn the consumers support these days.

[CaliGamer]

I guess by earning consumers support you mean MS abandoning the 1st XBOX for the 360 and leaving all those consumers high and dry. Or do you mean them creating a system with more bugs in it than the Smithsonian Natural History Museum? Or do you mean MS denying all these months that nothing was wrong with the DVD drive in the 360 and finally admitting it after they were exposed?
Sorry bro, you left that wide open. By your logic you should be choosing Sony all the way, there track record speaks for itself when it comes to video games. Now if your just a hater like Gandalf above, that is something completely different and I am just wasting my breath. Just a though.
If after all the above MS gained your trust, you should come over my house so I can punch you in the face and take your wallet so I can gain your trust too.

[ApocalypseShadow]

not about the punching in the face part(but it was very funny).

but the earning customer support thing.he ran right into it.

[bootsielon]

Is not relevant. Ralph Baer made the first console, not him. Was he the first "successful" marketer? Gaming wasn't really that big back then anyway. Atari didn't reach the level of success Nintendo or Sony did. Hell, how many Atari's did they sell? 20-25 million? That's what the gamecube sold. Yeah, really successful.

Anyway, PS1 wasn't simply there "at the right time, filling a gap". There was competition. TOUGH competition, from Nintendo and Sega, two great gaming names against a newcomer. Sony simply made a fresh product, easier to develop for than the Saturn, and cheaper to play than the N64. It also brought innovation, what with mature games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Bood Omen, Twisted Metal, WipeOut, MDK, Silent Hill, and so on. Furthermore, great sound quality and CGI cut-scenes. Hell, nintendo didn't even allow turbo-code unlike Sony, so there were some PS1 games that looked just as good as N64 games (FF8, FF9, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid). Hardly "luck".

Was PS2 lucky? Luckier than PS1, yes, since it had two weakened rivals, but that's it. None of those rivals announced a DVD playing nor backwards compatible with a succesful console. So, becoming the first DVD player at home and being compatible with your whole game collection is also hardly "luck", otherwise someone else would have done that in time to compete with PS2. Not only that, but they also created a decent roster of varied game genres, not simply FPS and other PClike games.

Bushnell, to conlude, you're a dipsh1t.

[ErcsYou]

remember E.T. for atari ???? sony has never fuked up that bad...

[commadore65]

This bloke founded atari, however the crash happened after he had sold it to Warner communications (time warner). He was forced out of atari (1978) due to management dissagreements, and didnt play the part in Atari's monumental mistakes (such as expecting ET to sell to over half of all Atari owners).

Other Early Atari workers split off to make Apple computers.

[ErcsYou]

i didnt know they split up to make apple..thanx , very good info..( 1978 ) was before my time.

[Says you]

An accident and the XBox 360 doesnt even have an advantage the only advatage that the XBox 360 has is the price but people are still buying the PS3 even though it cost $600 has this guy ever thought that people would like to have a game console that is like a movie theater and a mercedes and not some plain old game console that just plays games.