Sony Will Continue to Make PS4 Games Moving Forwards

Sony will not abandon the PS4, and it’s considering content for the last-gen console on a case-by-case basis. Outside of the upcoming God of War: Ragnarok – which will release on both PS5 and PS4 – the manufacturer is being unprecedentedly secretive about its upcoming slate of first-party projects.

However, Hermen Hulst – who’s the head of PlayStation Studios – is not ruling out further PS4 versions of its games moving into 2023 and beyond.

[Jin_Sakai]

Cross gen can burn. PlayStation was much better without these two in charge!

[darthv72]

now now... it's not all that bad. They are still way behind where they should be with PS5 adoption. so it just makes sense to capitalize on the PS4 users who dont want to feel left behind. PS5 production is improving now that they have stopped making PS4 hardware. So this will only be for another year, two tops.

[blackblades]

Don't waste your breath, they only see hatred when comes to jim, herman and the ps brand now.

[porkChop]

No, they are not "way behind" where they should be. The PS5 is only 2 to 2.5 million behind the PS4 with launches aligned. Over a 2 year span that's nothing, especially considering chip shortages. From the way you guys talk about the chip shortage you make it sound like the PS5 is far behind last gen when it really isn't. There are more than enough PS5s and Xbox Series' out there that devs can stop making cross gen games.

[andy85]

By the time these games are out PS5s will be on shelves everywhere. That's already the case in some countries

[--Onilink--]

Why are they way behind? Its selling extremely close to what the PS4 had sold in the same time and thats considering a significantly worse global situation during the PS5s time.
Its not like they would have just suddenly produced 2x-3x more PS5s without the chip shortage

[Bobertt]

PS5 is only a couple million units behind where PS4 was this far into it's launch so the numbers aren't really the issue. I believe PS3-PS4 cross gen lasted about 2 years and this November will make 2 years for PS5. But seeing some games got delayed because of the pandemic i will give them 1 more year to get out everything that should of already been released for cross gen. But Jim Ryan has to go he has lied and made bad decisions ever since he got put in charge.

[JackBNimble]

I'm not ready for ps5 after the price hike, I would have had one by now if they weren't so hard to get.

I would jump to xbox if it wasn't for my large digital library.

[Eonjay]

Games actually still run pretty well on PS4. Especially new sports games and fighting games. Also a slew of new RPGs . Modern Warfare 2 is actually pretty playable. There aren't enough consoles for everyone who wants to upgrade so let the publishers make money where the people are

Just because you work yourself up and try to convince yourself that you have been injured doesn't make it so.

Jim Ryan is doing a great job and I know it because Sony is still releasing games I want to play at a consistent rate.

I'm glad they are growing themselves by moving into PC and multiplayer games,. I'm glad the are continuing to make single player games. I'm glad the industry is still supporting the PS4. I'm not happy about the supply issues but I understand the factors.

Mostly though I'm glad I can think for myself and not based on PR based narrative BS that doesn't effect me.

[mudakoshaka]

Yeah, yeah, Cyberpunk 2077 is a great example of newer games being able to run ”pretty well” on last-gen consoles.

[Eonjay]

This comment doesn't make sense.
Cyberpunk doesn't run well on PS4/Xbox One and that doesn't disprove my comment. I implied certain games still play fine. All you game me was a straw man response. As I already stated there are no enough PS5 for everyone who wants to upgrade. Should they be cut off from all games? You are even trying to respond to me in good faith.

[JEECE]

@Eonjay

You are missing the point. When people complain about games like GOW, Horizon, etc being cross-gen, the response we inevitably get is either "what about God of War needs more power?" or once the game has already come out, "see, look at how well HFW ran on PS4, it didn't need PS5." The inherent flaw in this logic is that it uses either past PS4 games or the PS4 version of cross gen games (in other words, games that have been limited in their development by PS4) as a reason why nothing more powerful than PS4 is needed.

Cyberpunk is an example of devs who specifically did not limit the design of the game based on the slow processor and HDD of the PS4, and of course, the game naturally ran like trash there. It proves that there are games that need more powerful hardware.

The problem is that gamers are less informed on average than they were 10 or 15 years ago. People then understood that a game world on a PS3 could be fundamentally different than on PS2. Now people just think a more powerful console means 60fps and 4k.

[Eonjay]

@JEECE

Or maybe people need to stop fighting a semanticle console war and respond to my comments as I type them not based on what Sally said to Bobby and what Tom said to Dick. Again, none of that has anything to do with what I said. I am not interested in defending comments I didn't make so DO NOT try to put me into that bag.

[Lightning77]

That is some astronomical amount of deflection......

We believe in generations to we believe in no generations a year later. That's a hardcore defensive narrative even for you.

You're basically lobbying and celebrating that PS4 will be holding back PS5... That's crazy...

[Eonjay]

@Lightning77

You are creating your own narrative irrespective of what's actually happening. You are completely ignoring what I am saying and you are acting like gamers only understand comments in absolute terms in a vacuum. Case and point,. You can support last gen and you can make software exclusive to current gen. The logical fallacy is that a you can only do either or despite evidence to the contrary. Why has gaming become the battle of extremes? Prior gens have always been supported for some time. It's up to the developer to know when they are pushing last gen too hard.

Everything is last gen compared to the new 4090. Does that mean that you can only develop software for enthusiast class hardware? Of course not.

Refusing to use critical thinking is not a virtue and it's very unbecoming especially when people give non-extreme viewpoints and are met with self righteous stupidity..

[Bathyj]

Calm down drama queen. Can you tell me any games that look better than Horizon forbidden West God of war Ragnarok or Miles Morales?

No.

All I heard before Horizon released was they better have flying mounts. Did anyone come out and say that game wasn't held back?

Gamers are the such crybabies now.

[dumahim]

Probably has something to do with the fact they're not making many games that are only for the PS5.

[neutralgamer1992]

Jin

Shu yoshida was the head of world wide studios and he si a huge gamer himself and you could tell that passion existed

Now these are business decisions and sadly I believe it will take a huge mess up like launch of PS3 for Sony to fire these idiots and put in charge those who understand what gaming should be all about

All this talk of GAAS yet Sony made the most money without it. Nintendo has been dominant without it. Trust me as long time PlayStation fan and a gamer this isn't complicated

As gamers we want quality games without micro transactions. Whether it's single player or MP as long as we feel the publishers aren't taking advantage of our goodwill. We want finished games at launch and not launch now and fix later

[frostypants]

While I wish we had more current-gen exclusive stuff, Sony has always supported the prior gen well into the next. The PS3 had similarly long legs.

[darthv72]

Im thinking it will be mostly the live / gaas games that will be crossgen. with as large a player base as the PS4, it would be smart to count them in on those instead of only rely on the much smaller (yet growing) PS5 base. Unless things change... I wouldn't expect to see the likes of Spider-man 2 or Wolverine to be on PS4.

[blackblades]

I think that as well, I don't mind pc or ps4 for some games as long as they keep making good money to help go toward high tier games considering the cost will get higher to make those games like Spiderman 2 etc.

[Flawlessmic]

If it's just the gaas games then fine as those games suck anyway and I don't play them.

But I swear if any more of Sony's big single players games are cross gen moving forward, then I'll lump Sony in with is Ms so far for severely disappointing me this gen.

It's an absolute joke cross gen is still around at this point from 1st party devs.

3rd party to be expected but never 1st party let alone 2 years in and counting!!

I bought 2 supposedly next gen consoles and all I'm getting is cross gen games which are being held back.

At this rate we can expect to play ps5 games when ps6 is out and then that will be held back and we will ps6 games when the ps7 is out

[darthv72]

I get what you are saying but.... to be fair, the ps4 (esp pro) is still a pretty viable system. I'll keep buying PS4 games if they have such late in life quality titles like forbidden west and ragnarok

[blackblades]

There are some only ps5 games bruh and some crossgen games actually do look and better on ps5 then ps4

[Eonjay]

Also games like MLB should still be cross gen. Not to mention continued third party support. You might have to upgrade to play some games but at this point there will be plenty of content to tide people over.

[--Onilink--]

Live service games would also be the most affected by being on PS4 though. By their nature those are the games that will continue to receive content for years to come and supporting a weaker hardware (plus the fact by its very nature it means supporting 2 more SKUs) can significantly impact how much could those gaas game continue to grow without ditching the last gen at some point .

Its not necessarily just about having a larger install base

[Levii_92]

LMAO

[Knushwood Butt]

While I don't like the idea on paper, it all comes down to the law of diminishing returns.

What is next gen?
What/where are these new and amazing experiences that can't be delivered on 'last' gen hardware?

At the end of the day, a good game is a good game, regardless of the tech.

Switch proves that the masses don't care.

Last week I beat Far Cry 3 Classic Edition on my PS5. It is a lazy port of a PS3 game. Whether you consider it a good game or not is debatable, but I played it from start to finish. I could have been playing Death Loop, which is for current gen only, but didn't.

Point being that if the gaming experience is not nerfed by last gen, I don't really have an issue with this.

[shinoff2183]

Your right. I still play snes games ps1 game ps2 games. None of it matters. If a game is good its good. I try to understand why some of these people are complaining and in the end its lile uber snobbish type sh. Idk i have a ps5 and have no issue. How do you pass up 120 million other consoles users. When ps5 dropped the world just happened to be in some sh and you couldnt get as many ps5s out as you like.

I have an xbox one along with ps4 ps5. Is ms releasing games exclusively on the new xbox x and s. Im curious idk if they are.

[Knushwood Butt]

Right.

The only thing I see that is truly next gen, is PSVR2, and of course you can argue that it's just an iteration.

Show me the true next gen games on PC: that's supposed to be the ultimate gaming platform right?

Or just go back to Death Loop, which is current gen only, a derivative FPS, and has some pretty noticeable loading on PS5 too. Great...

[darthv72]

...they are but openly stated they would do crossgen support for the first couple of years. And I remember all the shit they got for that statement, esp by the PS fans. It can be assumed that announced games like senua 2, starfield, forza and others will be series only.

And if they too decide to keep supporting xbo... so what. It may only have sold 50m units but that is still a sizable potential gamepass audience .

[andy85]

Mostly to do with the SSD IMO. It affects world building hugely. You can design things completely different. Only have to look at the FFVII remake for that, beautiful game but to get those visuals they had to compromise, which is where all the forced walking sections came in. Glad part 2 has left last gen behind or it'd be more of the same.

[AngainorG7X]

So much for the "generations"

[Jin_Sakai]

“We believe in generations” just not next gen.

[Knushwood Butt]

Next gen, like the Forza Motorsport reboot, that has the sun reflecting off metallic engine parts, red cars reflected in the bodywork of black cars as if it was a mirror, and fields full of trees in autumn without a single fallen leaf to be seen.

The next gen doesn't start until MS says so.

[I_am_Batman]

"We believe in generations", except for next gen... and except for the PS1-PS3 generations. "Why would anybody play this?". So in essence, we believe in the PS4 generation. We believe in it so much, that we won't ever let it end. - Jim Ryan

[PressPlayBros]

Learn how to read an article, not just the title.

[Redemption-64]

I love it, when people only quote part of a paragraph and leave out the rest, it's almost like that part doesn't fit the narrative they desperately want to push. Care to post the whole quote?

[blackblades]

Or forget about returnal and other games that's not on ps4 but is on current gen only.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features."

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

[aconnellan]

I dunno man, the context doesn’t really help it.

Jim was saying this as far back as 2019 and 2020 in discussing the plan for the PS5, which wasn’t known by the public at the time. People satire it these days because it was parroted at the time (on sites like N4G) as the ‘right’ approach to take, purely because of the flak MS was copping for planning cross-gen games.

Here’s how the author contextualises the original quote:

“ One way to keep PS4 users engaged would be to make upcoming PS5 games playable on the older machine, just like Microsoft is proposing with its Xbox Series X games being playable on Xbox One. Yet Ryan says that's not something PlayStation is interested in doing.”

And here’s the full original quote:

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“ We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features. We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5.“

Source: https://www.gamesindustry.b...

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You can even search ‘believe in generations’ on this very site and find swathes of people in different articles praising Sony for this approach and criticising MS for doing the opposite. This was before it turned out that their plans were basically the same.

[PressPlayBros]

Yall need to actually read the "we believe in generations" article he never said anything about games being cross gen, he talked specifically hardware.

[HeliosHex]

I can see them doing this for 2 more years until ps5 starts to reach more homes.

[Jin_Sakai]

Because we had to do this with PS2, PS3, and PS4 right?

[shinoff2183]

To an extent. Each console gen has overlapped maybe not this long but with covid and the world its a hair different this time. How old are you have you not been through a console gen overlapping yet jeez

[HeliosHex]

@jin_sakai. Ps2, ps3, ps4 didn't have a 3 yr pandemic that ruined the supply chain.

[Eidolon]

I figure it was less with those gens because the incompatibility of the architectures. But still I think they developers have to design around the weakest denominator.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Ps2, ps3, ps4 didn't have a 3 yr pandemic that ruined the supply chain“

PS5 is largely ahead of PS3 sales and barely behind PS4. I can’t speak for PS2 but PS5 is selling very well and there was no need for the cross gen crap previously.

[StarkR3ality]

2 more years and we will be entering into the 5th year of these consoles, that's at the end of a consoles life span, not the start. This is the one generation that will probably push me to PC altogether.

[CrimsonWing69]

So, why do we have PS5’s? To just play PS4 games? What the hell is going on with the game industry?

Jeezus, I remember back in the day when you got a Super Nintendo you only played Super Nintendo games on it, there were no fu**ing NES games on it.

How did PS1 survive? Clearly it never had cross-gen games. Remember getting a PS2 and only playing PS1 games and maybe 2 or 3 PS2 only games?

How did we get to this point?

[Jin_Sakai]

“So, why do we have PS5’s? To just play PS4 games? What the hell is going on with the game industry?”

The leaders are the problem. The previous generations actually meant something.

Jack Trenton, Andrew House, and Shawn Layden were good leaders. Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst are the complete opposite.

[Star51]

There are still ps5 exclusives.

[mudakoshaka]

Returnal? Yaaaaay! My PS5 is collecting dust right now. I played old games on it and it is a damn shame. I would not recommend anybody getting the PS5, not yet at least. This close to selling mine.

[dumahim]

Do you know how many there are? What is it? 6 games? 2 years in. 6 games. Not like there's even that many on the horizon yet either.

[FallenAngel1984]

“How did we get to this point?”

Clearly x86 architecture

The tech between PS4 and PS5 are way closer together than the tech from previous console transitions, hence why so many games are scalable

[SullysCigar]

Too much sense in your comment for the over-emotional types to comprehend.

In their minds, there was no pandemic, there was no architectural difference between PS2, PS3 and PS4 and we don't need the game makers generating a profit in order to sustain our past time of choice.

We have PS5 exclusives already and more will come, but if you can run a lower-end version on PS4 for the people without the money (or the option due to scarcity) to upgrade, then why not?

[CrimsonWing69]

Yea I don’t want “scalable” games. I am clearly saying bring the games that can only be played on the PS5. Freaking clearly that’s possible since even Yoshi P said that’s why Final Fantasy 16 isn’t cross-gen.

We’re all saying we want games that push the console to the max. The “scalable” games are holding us back from seeing the “only can be done on PS5” games.

[FallenAngel1984]

@ Crim

Those 9th gen games are coming. However in the beginning you’re not going to see devs just automatically make such a dramatic shift that it can’t also be scaled.

You do get that games that take full advantage of 9th gen hardware takes time right?

[shinoff2183]

Yall crying over some dumb sh man for real. Covid kinda f ed the whole world up so this isnt much of a surprise. Why would i sink 100 million into a aaa game for an install base of what 16 to 20 million. Your outta your damn mind. Sony ill add xbox into this cause it isnt just sony arent gonna do that and its smart. Its really not that big of a deal man.

Theres always overlap. For your info alot of games from snes made it on to ps1 too. It happens every gen. Some of you guys just act like spoiled children and think me me me without for 1 second considering the bigger picture.

[CrimsonWing69]

Yea, like what, 5 games maybe? And clearly not as much as we see now and it’s not like they added FMV cutscenes, right? Give me a break.

[Stanjara]

Ps1 game didn't need 7 years with 150 people studio, live orchestra soundtrack, facial motion capture, movie actors, game engine fees, and all other licensing cost.

What the hell are you talking about?

You remember crap... If you played NES ever in your life you'd know better.

X360/PS3 era had trilogies in their generation. Trilogies.

[CrimsonWing69]

I’m sorry, what?

So you’re telling me because game development takes sooooo much longer than it did in the day of the PS3/Xbox 360 era and cost soooooo much more now that we can’t have literal exclusive games for a current-gen console that pushes the hardware?

These trilogies you speak of, how many were there? Total. I want you to compare that to what we see now. Also, I don’t remember these trilogies all coming at the launch of the console. I remember playing some exclusive content for a while.

You’re also full of absolute sh*t on development cost because there’s some not-so cross-gen titles on the current consoles, albeit barely any. Guess what? There’s gonna be a time when there’s nothing being made on last-gen. Love to hear your excuse then on development cost.

And what in the hell is this crap I don’t remember about the NES that I’d know better about? Development cost? If that’s your whole spiel I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, no offense. So, what then, is game costs going to be so expensive by next-gen that we’ll never have generations again? Please…

[Stanjara]

Thank you!
I don't want major games be cross gen, but games like Stray can be.

[shinoff2183]

Esnt make sense right now with the install base of 16 to 20 mill to make a aaa game for 100 million or whatever it might cost. Thats dumb and wasting money. If more ps5 were able to be manufactured and sold it might be sooner but thats not the case due to the last few years. Please look at the bigger picture

[CS7]

You need to look at the bigger picture sir.
PS5 is one of the fastest selling playstations of all time.

If PS1,2,3,4 didn’t need this lonnggggggggggg cross gen tail then why does PS5.

I didn’t spend $500 to play high rez PS4 games.

This will outline my decision for PS6. Wait 3 years for real next generation games to come to system.

[SullysCigar]

Spot on. What we saw after the end of previous generations were new games releasing for years afterwards. They tended to be smaller indie, or lower quality kids games. With the system being cheaper, it was a family friendly option now and made so much sense.

This gen is no different, outside of similar architecture, which only facilitates this approach further. It's not like we don't get PS5 exclusives where it makes sense from a technical standpoint.

The man-babies are an embarrassment to gamers and the reason we still suffer a stigma for our chosen entertainment. Thanks guys!

[thesoftware730]

"We believe in generations".........Of old and young money lol.

Who the hell believed that PR BS they tried to spew at the start of this Gen?

With that said, it's definitely a smart business decision, 120M is a hard audience to pass up. Sony is turning into mini MS before our very eyes. At least now we can stop all the MS holding back new gen games by releasing on the SS, cause you know, if Sony does it, it's a good move with a legit reason.

[shinoff2183]

Havent seen that one. Tell me is ms making games for the xbox one still. Id guess so. Out of the 2 that have released this year werent they on xbox one to. Wheres the sh storm on them to. Hmmm?

[Redemption-64]

Maybe you should actually read the whole quote, rather than the 1st 4 words in a whole paragraph, whiles leaving out the rest

[Petebloodyonion]

How about reading the whole interview and what the answer stand for
Here:
One way to keep PS4 users engaged would be to make upcoming PS5 games playable on the older machine, just like Microsoft is proposing with its Xbox Series X games being playable on Xbox One. Yet Ryan says that's not something PlayStation is interested in doing.

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

https://www.gamesindustry.b...

[darthv72]

"Sony is turning into mini MS before our very eyes"... they been copying MS since the og xb. XB had hard drive built in then ps3 did it. 360 had themed systems and removable faseplates that you could replace with custom. Then PS4 did it. Then there is the obvious 'inspiration' that is xbl gold and pay to play that sony adopted for ps+ during ps4.

Its like anything MS does, Sony tries their own spin on it. Before MS, Sony copied Nintendo but that only got them so far.

[gangsta_red]

And why shouldn't they? The PS4 is more than capable of having games that look incredible. We're a couple of years into this gen and so far we haven't seen to many (if any) games that couldn't be done on last gen consoles.

We're coming into an age where tech (in gaming) isn't necessarily jumping by leaps and bounds like it was a few gens ago. We're getting the same type of games with the same type of gameplay. Even these new consoles main selling points were just features related to gaming.

[Petebloodyonion]

I agree, I always said that gaming barely evolved (aside from VR) in the last 15 years We still play the same COD, GTA5, Minecraft, Ea sports games,s and the same retro style.
Heck, we are remastering the same old game without changing anything so it's quite logical to include most of the ppl that can still play Switch-level kind of game.

[CS7]

Compare Ratchet PS5 and GT7 the graphical difference is huge.

Cross Gen games are the reason why we aren’t seeing the generational leap forward.

This gen should have had worlds and systems that can only be done on SSD speeds like Mark Cerny said. But Sony and MS only wants to make uprezed ps4 games.

[Knushwood Butt]

'Worlds and systems' that do what though?

I keep asking this yet not a single person has given an answer.

People just bounce the word 'next-gen' around as if it was some tangible thing.

I played Spiderman remake, Miles Morales, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, and Returnal on PS5 and they were all extremely well done, smooth, and seamless.

Once again I will ask. PC is supposed to be the ultimate gaming platform. What are the next-gen games on PC?

[CS7]

@Knusheood Butt

1. We are not game developers. We cannot tell you what a game built on SSD infrastructure would look like. But we can tell you that SSD’s are >10x the speed of HDD’s. Current gen worlds are built around a slow HDD loading of the world. So corridors are long, unnecessary elevators, less enemies, the typical squeezing through a crack section of so many PS4 games.

Watch this video if you want to learn more: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9s...

2. There are pretty much no AAA massive budget PC EXCLUSIVE games. This means that practically all PC games are made to run on the lowest common denominator (consoles) and then scaled up to look pretty on powerful PC’s.

If you’re old enough, one of the last big budget PC exclusive games was Crysis (2007). That was leagues beyond what consoles could run at the time and it showed a vast difference between PC and consoles.

So to your point, no games use the power of a PC to its “fullest” potential. AAA PC games all need to be designed in a way that it can run on consoles.

4K, 120fps on a game designed to run on PS4 is no feat 10 years after the PS4’s launch.

[Inverno]

People having a meltdown over a few more years of ps4 support, as if 2 years later it's so easy to get a ps5 and the ps4 install base isn't still much bigger. And let's be honest here, besides graphics being prettier there hasn't been a single game that has proven current gen to be worth the upgrade. Y'all fool yourselves with Dualsense hype as if the controller hasn't had the exact same layout and amount of buttons since the DS1 and the touch pad isn't yet again underutilized. And the ssd cause apparently games never loaded fast before the ps5 was a thing. Cross gen is the least of this gens problems, the industry is stagnant as a whole and no amount of Dual sense hype will change that fact.

[shinoff2183]

Industry stagnant ??? What are you playing. Theres so much sh out there from aaa to indies. Im having a blast. My only issue these days is theres not alot of old school turned based jrpgs. Most seem to be taking the action hack n slash route to appeal to the younger audience. Such a shame. Thats why im elated to see all these remasters coming of some old school games. Suikoden being the newest dope news

[Inverno]

What you just said proves the point. Everything these days is yet another 3rd person action adventure/shooter, or a remaster/remake of games from a generation when there was still variety in the industry. The indie scene is the worst offender, there is a sea of shite pixel art games with the exceptions always being pointed out by flipping YouTubers. Gaming is corporate and boring as hell these days.

[FallenAngel1984]

I’m all for it. Continue giving my console more bang for my buck

[goldwyncq]

Cross-gen games, Live Service crap, and remaking games that aren't even ten years old. Welcome to Jim Ryan's Playstation era.

[CaptainHenry916]

Facts

[shinoff2183]

Ya dont know what your talking about. Hows the 2 xbox games treating you ms blessed you with this year

[darthv72]

Classic deflection.

[thesoftware730]

Shinoff2183,

What an irrelevant reply to what was said.

Do better next time.

[Hauntedasylum8]

PlayStation holding back current gen what a surprise 🙄

[Christopher]

So, just remaking games? Because everyone else is doing those other two.

[Saaleh]

In previous gens, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. They lost this privilege, so this is not ok.

[shinoff2183]

Previous gens like when the world wasnt shut down and chip shortages werent an issue. Wtf are you even talking about.

[Saaleh]

In my eyes, that's no longer an excuse, they had 2 years to compensate the slow down of sales. Now they need to move on. Otherwise why call it playstation? These consoles will become PC, except that we will be stuck with (budget-based and outdated 2013 hardware tech.. ).

[FallenAngel1984]

Previous generations didn’t have as large gaming budgets, development time, and scalable hardware as we have now.

Devs have more reason now than ever to make cross gen games

[Saaleh]

If sony continue this behaviour than I no longer get excited. Even God of war doesn't feel exciting even though I know it will be a great game. It is like making Uncharted 4 on ps3, yes it would still be great, but it is not the same exciting feeling and definitely the game wouldn't be the same. I HATE this decision. That's why I wish I can become developer. To prove them wrong in terms of sale. I

[FallenAngel1984]

A game being cross gen shouldn’t impact your enjoyment of it. Sounds like a superficial reason to enjoy great games.

Sony didn’t even say all of their games would be cross gen, it’s going to be on a case by case basis. There’s really no reason to be upset since the amount of 9th gen only games are still coming and will gradually increase in quantity as the years go by.

You’d be incredibly naive if you think that every company in general should just abandon an established install base of collectively over 167 million(PS4 & XO combined numbers) or even 280 million(PS4, XO & NS combined numbers) to only focus on an install base of 41 million(PS5 & XSX|S combined numbers).

Even if you were to make a game that performed well on only 9th gen systems, that’s not going to stop other companies from seeing the profitability and practicality of releasing cross gen games as long as they’re feasibly able to.

[Saaleh]

The issue with Sony is that they were vague in this transition, to the point that they made few lies. Now they are still vague about it, how can i trust their words in this topic when they don't trust us with the truth of cross gen scaling ? They say something than they do something even worst. This began with the PS5 only.

I don't have issue if the small games are cross gen.

But I'm confident of how i feel about big cross gen '' exclusive '' and multiplatform games. I hated them in ps4 gen, i hate them now. They really do impact how i enjoy gaming as a hobby, that's why i found something else more satisfying until the day Sony wakes up and realise they did get moore money for now but they were part of screwing up the future of gaming.

as a gamer, they really lost me and i lost them. If sony decide to continue making the big games as cross gen after God of war than really gaming is in a bad state for a while. For example, Imagine after 4 years another GT installment on ps4, what's the point with the same excuse ? Painful feeling not just disappointment. That's how i feel right now, let a lone next year.

i'm glad we got ratchet. Otherwise i would've hated sony.

[mkis007]

Well as long as people want 60 fps modes on ps5, ps4 games will still be possible. I just want an ssd showcase game. Infamous or God of war could be those games.

[Stanjara]

GOW uses cut scenes to load. It doesn't need it, same as Infamous.
You need something opened world where you zip zag fast travel.

[MadLad]

Generations

[Hauntedasylum8]

A big fat lie

[YodaCracker]

That lie… that monstrous lie…

[DivineHand125]

It's time to move on. I know the PS5 had a shortage but how many person's who are actively trying to get a PS5 can't get one at this point. You can sign up for the invite program on Amazon. That is how I got my series X and Sony emailed me a few days ago about getting a PS5 even though I already bought one from playstation direct. It's a shame spending so much on next gen only to play upscaled PS4 games. We want to see games that are larger in scope that can only be possible on PS5. I remember when I was blown away by God of war 3. That games wasn't possible on PS2. At this rate it feels like even if 70 million PS5s are sold they will still be making exclusives cross gen.

[shinoff2183]

Maybe you shpuldve waited a hair. Couldve been cheaper to. Sony isnt the only one doing it. Can you name one ms exclusive made by ms studios that isnt on the xbox one

[glennhkboy]

Yeah. OK. You won! PS5 has 2 PS5 only exclusive for the last 2 years while Xbox has only 1. On PS4/5 side you have to buy those versions separately (or pay the 10$ upgrade fee); while on the Xbox side player don't need to pay extra cost for cross-gen upgrade (in case you don't know).

[thesoftware730]

You keep repeating this, the difference is MS was upfront about having all games playable on all devices...the Xbox eco-system. Sony only fans made that a negative for MS and Sony further fueled it with the "We believe in Generations" lie.

Do you understand now? it is not about if the decision is right or wrong(I think it is a good business decision), It's about the lie and the fans' hypocrisy on the matter.

[jBlakeeper]

Spider Man 2 will definitely be cross gen. I’d lay money on it based on this statement.

[cell989]

This new God Of War game was robbed of additional gameplay and next gen features, just because it had to remain cross gen :(

[shinoff2183]

You sure about that. Additional gameplay. That wouldve fit on a ps4 disc anyway. Some of yall spoiled and or snobbish as hell man

[Knushwood Butt]

next gen features, such as?

[cell989]

Better animations, better physics, visuals, draw distance, rendering. They grounded the core design to a game console released 10 years ago. All you get out of the ps5 version is better resolution and frame rate. No use of the SSD nor processing power. More loading halls to accommodate the PS4

[XxSPIDEYxX]

Like I've always said ever since he got promoted, Hermen Hulst is bad for PlayStation.

[Hauntedasylum8]

Another Don Mattrick him and Jimbo.

[EvertonFC]

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[aaronaton]

As PS5 owner, this gen is a joke! All we seem to get is sub 4k image at 60fps coupled with faster loading times. Ratchet and Clank is the only game that felt Next Gen to me.

[cell989]

Because it was designed from the ground up as a PS5 game. This God Of War was designed with all the PS4 limitations and design trickery first.

[andron]

Well making the PS5 available would help, can't buy it in any retail stores at regular prices here in Norway...

[onisama]

cross gen for 2 years after a new gen console is ''ok'' but now it slows down the advancement of video games...look at cyberpunk and how halo infinite had to cancel local coop because xbox one cant handle it

[dumahim]

It does work on Xbox One. This is just 343 being shitty again. It's absolutely amazing how close it is to being completely functional, but they won't put in that little bit of effort to finish it up and patch it in.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[WiiU-Dude]

Let the down votes rain down, but I like it. Keep supporting the PS4.

[FallenAngel1984]

That’s what I love best about every PlayStation console

That dedicated decade worth long term support

[moriarty1889]

That’s good news for people with PS4 that haven’t yet been able to upgrade.

[Jin_Sakai]

If you haven’t upgraded that’s your problem. That’s like saying let’s support 3 generations of consoles for those who haven’t upgraded yet.

[moriarty1889]

I was able to get my PS5 but there are a lot of others who still can’t. Doesn’t mean it’s there problem.

[StarkR3ality]

Most games released on last gen are poor experiences. Sub 30fps gameplay at 720p - 900p doesn't leave a good taste in players mouths. People need to understand that if you're on old hardware you will get left behind this has always been the case.

Why Xbox and Playstation are catering to past gen is frustrating, makes it worse for the players and the Devs who have to somehow perform miracles to get it running on all platforms. I can understand the first year getting some crossgen games, but we are entering into the third year of these consoles.

Ngl this gen has been the worse console gen I can remember.

[cell989]

Exactly!! What's the point of Ps5 cutting down dev time with it's compression technology, it's sound engine, SSD, and obviously faster processor, if non of that is being used lol. They're catering to 10 year old tech. Fates frame rate and better resolution is not the next gen I was hoping for. I was hoping for them to revamp some of the core gaming mechanics through the use of the new tech. But so far for me on PS5 Ratchet and Clank has been the only game I saw next gen features in it

[Lexreborn2]

If we can run the latest games on steam deck and low end graphics cards there’s no reason to exclude last gen. I got a 3080, ps5 and series X. It doesn’t hurt me in the slightest older hardware gets games.

I fully expect them to push the newer hardware as far as they can when they can. But 3rd party devs haven’t been even abandoned last gen people still buying those games in droves. Why get upset when Sony and MS include last gen when we also live in a different time.

Post covid lockdown has made its effects on people and business more apparent these days. Plus inflation hitting hard, businesses have to consider not everyone will be able to afford these new devices. So why punish them?

[Hauntedasylum8]

PlayStation holding back current gen as usual. What a shitty company.

[ironmonkey]

So guy, whose not doing it?

[ravens52]

They need to cut the bs and focus on ps5 only games now. No more cross generation. Wth did I buy a ps5 for????

[Jin_Sakai]

“Wth did I buy a ps5 for????”

Apparently to play PS4 games like the rest of us. Ridiculous if you ask me!

[z2g]

“We believe in generations”

[WelkinCole]

This is likely my last console gen. Been gaming for close to 35 years since the atari days.

It has been a good run.

Now that Sony is moving on so am I.

Just so disapointed. Every new gen I always look forward to what new amazing games Sony first party will produce. Like one is a gen experiences.

PS5 gen has been a massive dissapointement.

I remember in the PS3 gen by the 2nd year I had Resistance, folklore, MotorStorm, Infamous, WarHawk, HS and Uncharted. All new IP's except Warhawk. All excellent games.

This gen?

Thanks Sony. It was a good ride while it last.

[Jin_Sakai]

Sadly I’m starting to feel the same. PlayStation just doesn’t feel like PlayStation anymore.

[moriarty1889]

Agreed Jin. Things have definitely changed with Ryan and Hulst running the show. I will still be optimistic though and hope for the best.

[WelkinCole]

I just don't understand it. The basic formula that has won Sony console generation after generation is 1st party games that pushes gaming and console hardware to the limit that can't be played anywhere else. Generation defining AAA SP games or the very least games you would be proud to have in your gaming collection.

I have been nervous going into this gen because of how GaaS and how live service games like Fortnite have taken over but I still had hope that Sony would stay the course.

I use to keep track of Sony 1st party devs and what new things they are coming out with. Now there is basically nothing that excites me because there is basically nothing. Just remaster after remasters.

What the heck is ND have been doing apart from the TLOU remake again?. The Naughty Gods.

Where is everyone else? What the heck are they doing? Bloody hell.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

It better be the live service games you were talking about. It's been almost two years since current gen has been out still support the PS4 which i understand thats fine because last gen consoles always have a larger base and it wouldn't make since to abandon them right off the bat.

But now...it's time to start making current gen only games and really leverage the power on the new consoles. If you haven't gotten a PS5 by now oh fucking well. I got a PS5 i want to start seeing more 1st party PS5 only games. Loved Demon Souls Remake, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, and Returnal.

[Muigi]

When TLOU2 still looks better than the majority of ‘next gen’ games I’m not surprised tbh.

[isarai]

I really hope this is only for their GAAS games, cause their 1st party quality really took a hit imo with these cross gen titles. Playing forbidden west, i've not played a sony 1st party game this buggy since days gone, half the time i fast travel i spawn in the floor.same for Miles Morales, encountered quite a few glitches on my playthrough of that, something i've almost never experienced from sony's 1st party till they did this cross gen crap

[CS7]

I have no idea how the H:FW bugs weren’t discussed more.

That was a very buggy play-through for me.

[isarai]

Honestly! Anytime i bring up that HFW, Miles Morales, or days gone bugs and lack of polish i get torn apart here. They arent bethesda level, but they certainly are not up to the standards that every other sony 1st party title is. But especially horizon, i've had to restart the application a few times, especially at launch there was a bug where if you were unlucky enough your framerate would very slowly decrease, figured it would pass but after like 45mins, no bs i was playing at like 3fps. Hasnt happened since but that was the 1st bug sign that resources were obviously split here.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

If games look held back at all, which basically means our hair isn’t blown back enough, then people will blame the ps4.

Don’t let that happen Herman.

[ChubbyBlade]

Why did I buy a ps5…

[cell989]

Faster load times, faster UI, better resolution, better frame rate lol. That's it so far. Whatever PS5 has, your 10 year old PS4 can do, just a little more blurry and at 30fps

[Youngindy21]

I'm here for it. I'm still playing my PS4 Pro and enjoying it. Probably won't get a PS5 until more PSVR2 games come out.

[Jin_Sakai]

There’s nothing wrong with that but for all those who bought a PS5 deserve next gen only games. You had your run with PS4.

[Knushwood Butt]

For all those who bought a XS/X deserve games.

[Exvalos]

(Sony) "We believe in generations." More likeyou believe in lying

[Christopher]

I'm going to assume this is specific to live service games?

[Jin_Sakai]

Doubtful. I can almost guarantee Spider-Man 2 will be coming to PS4 and whatever else their 1st party are working on.

[moriarty1889]

Honestly, it just means more money for them by supporting PS4 consoles and its huge install base with new games. Doesn’t make it any better for people wanting PS5 optimized games though.

[Christopher]

You can almost guarantee it? How can you almost guarantee that?

[Mr_Skyfish]

So then does that mean you'll stop making PS4 games when PS6 releases?

[Gregero]

So I'm guessing we shouldn't expect any cool features that take advantage of the PS5s hardware? Was Ratchet and Clank, Demon's Souls, and Returnal the only ones we'll get? Honest question - not meant to piss off the fan boys.

[darthv72]

you do know that those three were in development for the PS4 but then shifted to PS5 as things went on. So not even those three would count as PS5 titles... technically speaking.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Continue remaking PS4 games

[Star51]

The exclusives are coming. You all complain when they announce to early. With all the studios they've purchased, you'd be crazy to think they arent. PSVR2 is already a ps5 exclusive

[darthv72]

i have a feeling it wont be. It will also be PC compatible.

[jznrpg]

I would guess most of these games will be live service games as they will be on PC day one and PC games scale down because most people don’t own high end PCs .

[MADGameR]

That's some BS. This is unacceptable!

[BlindMango]

"moving forwards", who proofreads this stuff?

[Demetrius]

Honestly most devs under utilized ps4 and Xbox one, we haven’t even seen many games look good as red dead 2, horizon 1&2 Ubisoft held back, EA held back of course smh we didn’t get a graphical leap from the ps3 era til like 2018

[Demetrius]

One of the reasons why I haven’t got a ps5 yet, the only exclusive next gen game it got in next year is Spider-Man and wolverine, the next game ronin or some like that is in 2024 smh here we go again devs under utilizing consoles power like last gen

[Crows90]

Nope. It won't. Let's see what they actually do vs what they say. For now due to the lack of supply and economy issues it makes sense that live service games may be cross gen but I'm 100% sure this won't be the case once PS5 numbers reach 40-50million sold through.

[LucidIllusion]

Sony, you make great games but bad albeit stupid business decisions will be your downfall.