Sony Confirms PSVR Games Won't Be Compatible With PSVR2

Sony has confirmed that the PSVR games won't be compatible with PSVR2! Here's what the SVP of Platform Experience of the PSVR2 had to say about it.

[shadowT]

PSVR and PSVR 2 are two different technical concepts. I hope that some developer will create PS VR 2 remakes of selected games. Thinking about Astro Bot or Rush of Blood.

[Tapani]

Agreed, the more I read about it, the more interesting PSVR2 seems. And I think there will be a lot of upgraded games and remasters with PSVR2 control schemes, alongside with better graphics and more freedom and new creative concepts added in the mix.

[k2d]

'different technical concepts' - mainly the back end to any meaningful degree. Which 'should' be easy for Sony to fix.

The interfaces will probably need updates by the individual devs due to motion controllers. An oversight by PlayStation..?

[crazyCoconuts]

They could have shimmed the interfaces to work. The same way a game will work on steam VR regardless of whether you're using rift's inside out cameras or index's IR triangulation- transparent to the game. All the math and processing happens outside of the game. It's gotta be a sales and marketing decision

[generic-user-name]

@Crazycoco

The sense controllers have less buttons than the Moves. There can't be a one size fits all solution. Updates would need to be made, at least for many titles.

[Extermin8or3_]

You couldn't be more wrong. You'd need to completely rework the fundamentals of moat games to switch between the light tracking camera functionality of the first headset and the inside out tracking of the new one. Its ALOT of work. Some pc games already had this work done for them in order to work with new headsets and I expect to see patches and new versions of them released. But others...it's very unlikely.

[EvertonFC]

Yeah at least do the top 25 VR games

[Abracadabra]

Why the hell would Sony make PSVR2 backwards compatibility when they can just "remake" PSVR games and resell the same game over and over again to gullible people?

[crazyCoconuts]

Bingo. The same could be said about why do they make PS5s play PS4 games? I think the reason they do is because there's Xbox and Sony would lose sales if they didn't. I wish Xbox had invested in VR so we would have competition pushing against Sony here

[Angyobangyo]

It’s VR, hardly 2 different concepts.

[monkey602]

This is actually a deal breaker with me (for now anyway).

I have a few games for the PSVR I havent ever played, I just hate the build up and tear down of the 1st headset so never do it. If I could have played those games with the new wireless set up it would have made the PSVR2 far more enticing. I'd have had an immediate library at launch instead of the inevitable wait for the 2nd wave of good games to release on the new peripheral.

[Bathyj]

PSVR2 isn't wireless.
Can't help that many will just use this no BC as their default deal-breaker excuse. But if you simply don't want it, you don't want it. Not here to change your mind.

Me I had the first one and liked it enough but wasn't that into it. New one looks like a vast improvement on every level.

[monkey602]

I was under the impression it was wireless. Yeah I'm definitely going to wait this one out a while anyway.
Theres plenty enough games releasing throughout the next year to keep me occupied anyway

[MrBaskerville]

I still want one, but lack of BC means I'll waitm If I could use it to optimize my psvr1 library and the games I still haven't tried, I would have wanted to buy day one. Now I'll have to wait until they have built a decent library of games, which will take a year or two I'd wager.

[porkChop]

The way the headset and controllers work is totally different from the original PSVR. It can't just automatically have backwards compatibility. Every dev would have to significantly change how their games and mechanics work to support PSVR2. We'll see ports and remasters.

It's not ideal but this was always going to happen. This puts PSVR2 in a much better position for ports from Quest and PCVR games though.

[crazyCoconuts]

First of all it almost certainly is doable.
Secondly, providing legacy apis to work with old games doesn't prevent them from creating new apis/interfaces for new games that work alongside, so it wouldn't hinder them from ports/next gen capabilities at all

[vallencer]

It is doable they just chose not to. Pretty much every vr game on pc, that isn't quest specific, works on every major headset available. They all have different controls and specs. So how is it sony can't make it work from one gen to another when it's literally their own hardware? More than likely because they don't want to and it let's them double dip with remasters.

[DeadManMMX]

Yes yes it could all be backwards compatible. This is about money period. Please don't flood comments sections making excuses for this. They want to run their business this way fine but don't act like they can't do BC this time. This is not a cell processor. We are seeing different versions of VR games ported back and forth between headsets all the time. People need to stop making excuses for Sony. Business is business and that's fine.

[cfir]

@crazyCoconuts How much effort do you think it would be to create a system which translates the Inside out tracking of the PSVR2 to the video tracking of PSVR and vice versa. Doesn't sound that trivial to me. Sounds more akin to creating a PSVR emulator for running PSVR games on PSVR2.
@vallencer Your not talking about the same thing, when games are created the developers add the capabilities for the different headsets (that they want to support at the time). It doesn't just work like magic. If a new headset comes along with new tech, it doesn't work without patching.
@DeadManMMX Your own argument is self defeating "We are seeing different versions of VR games ported back and forth between headsets all the time", they key points here are "different versions" & "Ported" that's not BC. There's nothing stopping the Devs from patching their games to work with PSVR2. The No Mans Sky devs have said they are doing exactly that.
And as for all these whining "gamers" complaining that their free games aren't getting patched for free. Jeez.
"I want developers to spend lots of time and money to upgrade the game I didn't pay money for, but they should do it out of the goodness of their hearts and not get paid, coz I'm a self entitled piece of ...."

[porkChop]

@cfir

At least someone gets it. This isn't like going from PS4 to PS5 where BC is super easy. It's more like going from PS3 to PS4, where a lot of stuff has to be reworked. People just don't understand that different types of tracking aren't interchangeable.

[crazyCoconuts]

And all those PSVR titles we got with PS+... How many of those will get free upgrades to PSVR2? I'm thinking about how many of my special PS+ versions of PS4 games don't get free upgrades to PS5, but if I bought the game outright it would have been free. I'm not liking where this is going...

[toxic-inferno]

It's a deal-breaker for me too. There are a couple of PSVR games that I want to play, but was never willing to buy the VR headset in order to play (like Astro Bot). Assuming it was going to be backwards compatible, I was planning on buying the PSVR2 as it would represent better value for money (playing old and all future games). Knowing that I wouldn't be able to play those older games means I have very little interest in shelling out the money for the new kit.

[Wrex369]

They're going to be re released, it's a business model.

[Profchaos]

There's been a more substantial rumours that Sony was not allowing backwards compatibility for a while now but has instead built a development pipeline to allow easy porting of psvr1 games to psvr2.

So get ready for a bunch of ports, rereleases and remasters

Source
https://twitter.com/paroleP...

[Jericho1337]

Which would be great if they were free upgrades, but this is Sony we’re talking about here.

[Profchaos]

With regard to the free upgrade path ps4 to ps5 Sony has been pretty clear its up to the publisher they can either charge or make it available for free.

When we look at some of the most popular games on psvr it's surprising actually how few games Sony published directly that were extremely popular blood and truth, iron Man are all I can think of.

Vr is different to traditional games in that 90% of the games on the platform are by small indie studios.

So in mu view these small studios have often been supporting a game for years on end which has no further income for them zero micro transactions fairly minimal dlc in the vr space to.

So for these small studios I would actually be happy to pay 10 dollars for a port.

However if Sony wants $10 for a port of blood and truth or Bethesda want $10 for skyrim or doom 3 that's the line they have enough to fund these projects already

[Palitera]

“Free” means at the publisher’s expense. It costs many thousands of dollars (10.000+) even to put a simple patch through Sony. For smaller games, it’s just wasted money.

[crazyCoconuts]

Optimizing the upgrade pipeline is awesome... Definitely should happen. But it should be an AND with backwards compatibility not an OR.

[StarkR3ality]

Nah that's my initial thought, I'm sorry but this company is getting greedy af and I'm sick of seeing people defend them blindly.

Jimmy boy needs to go.

[Extermin8or3_]

Not defending them blindly but the two recent controversies are ridiculous. The price 'increase' of the ps5 was no such thing. What happened is other urgencies got significantly weaker than the dollar. Attempting to eat those changes could easily have cost Sony anywhere in the region of 300-600 million dollars based on projected sales for the next 12 months.

This controversy is even more ridiculous becauae if you have a clue what you are on about you would know that there is for most titles no simple way of patching the games and porting them is the only option. Ps vr uses camera based tracking- it tracks lights on the headset abmnd calculates velocity of the headset etc. Then psvr 2 uses inside out tracking. Without changing your gsme to support this it's not easy to just emulate matters. You have literally got inputs that simply don't exist calculating stuff from entirely different vector data. You can't jus try and emulate the vr2 data asbbbbbbnnnbb b ñ if its psvr2 data. There is literally no jhjh

[StarkR3ality]

Why did they not increase it in the US and neither Xbox and Nintendo raise their prices? I'll tell you, because they know that they would lose the market more than they already are. They were making a profit on PS5's and the price increase is just to make sure they continue to make money.

If you wanna be a Sony shill all your life but I could spend ages listing all the shit Sony have done wrong this gen, and I will.

- False advertising PS5 only games for them to come out on the PS4 also.
- £70 games
- no SSD expansion until a year in
-external HDD's bricking consoles in the first couple of months
-Going back on free upgrades that were previously promised but yet they tried to charge until fan backlash
-Egregious MT's in their first party racing game.
- Overpriced "remakes"
- Crying over the Xbox Activision deal showing less than convincing confidence in their brand as a whole.
- Paid upgrades when your competition are doing that shit for free.

I could go on but you get my point. I love my PS5, my fave games I've played this gen are on that platform, but it doesn't mean I can't call out their bullshit. If you wanna be a Sony shill all your life though go ahead buddy, I'll enjoy the best of what all platforms have to offer.

[VariantAEC]

@StarkR3ality
The reason PS5's price didn't increase in the US is because the USD is stronger than most other currencies right now. The USD is the bar so PS5 costs the same because even with inflation the USD is hurting the least.

As for Xbox and Nintendo... First Nintendo would need to drop the Switch's price, oh yeah that hasn't happened yet. All the models that saw a price drop were discontinued Switch still costs $299 and Switch OLED costs $349 with the Lite being the cheapest of them all and not really being a Switch.
Xbox can shuffle funds around to non-gaming services like Azure hosting and Office-365 as well as many other avenues maybe MS merch will cost more? Xbox has options to keep the fall of other currencies from hurting their gaming division not that they really need to do anything. MS has loads of money in the bank for a rainy day at this point I'm not sure what their angle is but we've seen little evidence that what they've been doing is good for their gaming division.

"- False advertising PS5 only games for them to come out on the PS4 also." > Which games?

- £70 games" > Most games already cost more.than this especially if you pre-order them with season passes and such.

"- no SSD expansion until a year in" > Oh the horror, speaking of, didn't Xbox raise the price of their SSDs and there is still zero competition in that space with no 4TB options on Xbox... hm?

"-external HDD's bricking consoles in the first couple of months" > Never heard this one before.

"-Going back on free upgrades that were previously promised but yet they tried to charge until fan backlash" > That was a crumby thing to try I won't defend that and yet the did roll back that decision before selling Horizon Forbidden West

"-Egregious MT's in their first party racing game." > I never actually saw any of this because I decided against buying GT7 I don't see people complaining about $10 and $15 planes by Asobo and MS themselves in MSFS 2020. Pick and choose I suppose.

"- Overpriced "remakes"" > That you don't have to buy. What is the problem?

"- Crying over the Xbox Activision deal showing less than convincing confidence in their brand as a whole." > It became clear Xbox is buying Activision and can do some really shady things with their properties. Hopefully the Activision deal falls through. If Activision is really hurting maybe they will sell off some of their less profitable IP to MS or PS or Nintendo?

"- Paid upgrades when your competition are doing that shit for free." > PS rolls back charging for upgrades in promised games... you're still annoyed because it happens at all... when you can make due with the PS4 versions just fine.

Face it you're just a fanboy.

[Bathyj]

I think we all knew this would be the case.
Games can be patched or remaked but they were never going to just work. The headsets and controllers are just too different.

[Abracadabra]

Your opinion isn't surprising... you 'll forgive Sony literally anything.
In your blind eyes Sony can do no harm.

[Bathyj]

Yeah it's amazing the slack I'll cut.you when you actually do the one thing I want from a games console. Release good games. That's literally all I care about. That's why I loved Xbox the first 6 or 7 years it existed and not since then.

[Amplitude]

If there were somehow less buttons on the PSVR2 controller, sure, maybe you'd have a point. That isn't the case though.

You can pick up an Oculus Quest, a Vive, a Rift with external sensors, or one of those ancient Mixed Reality headset and play anything on Steam in VR. I've literally owned all of them (except the Vive) including the PSVR and have a library on both systems. (Though tbh the Quest is mostly a portable Beat Saber, Synth Riders and VR Chat machine for me)

Lets say you can use the PSVR2 on PC. I could then play - say, Beat Saber - a game that's also on PS4 - with the PSVR2. There's no reason why they shouldn't be backwards compatible other than Sony wanting you to double-dip.

This is legitimately a trash move.

[generic-user-name]

There are literally less buttons on the Sense controllers compared to the Moves.

[Amplitude]

@generic-user-name: ah you know, my bad. Had to take a second look at the sense controllers.

The Move button could be easily swapped to the grip button with your index finger and there's still access to x square triangle and circle (and I don't think there's any games that specifically ask you to push triangle exclusively on the right controller or x exclusively on the left controller for example) so it's still really a non-issue though

Hopefully they change this or get free patches to work on PSVR2 (like how some incompatible PS Vita games got patches to work on PSTV later down the road). Love VR, have a pretty big library on both platforms and I really do want something better. My PSVR has been collecting dust because it just feels so ancient compared to the Oculus at this point (which im also wanting to upgrade) so i was pretty stoked for the new headset. Still If I'm expected to re-buy every single game (or if the VR staples of the last couple years are just fully incompatible with the new headset) I'm obviously not grabbing a PSVR2 and im just gonna eventually upgrade my Oculus and stick with PC here. It's such a shame to leave an entire library of games behind for really no reason.

I mean, I'm a minority here but i cant help but be a little annoyed even putting myself in the shoes of somebody with just a PSVR. It's annoying having VR games on PS4, Steam, AND the Oculus Quest app and adding a fourth to the mix is just absurd.

[generic-user-name]

"and I don't think there's any games that specifically ask you to push triangle exclusively on the right controller or x exclusively on the left controller for example"

There are, Skyrim VR comes to mind. You'll see prompts for LX or RX (left and right), depending on the game. There are also games that show the actual Move/Aim/Dualshock controllers rendered in the game itself saying "press here", which obviously wouldn't work either. Updates would be needed for specific titles, a blanket BC wouldn't work in many cases.

[Amplitude]

@generic-user-name:
Alright good points actually. You win lol

[Wrex369]

Proper boot licker lol

[Jericho1337]

Of course it isn’t, they believe in generations remember?

[Chocoburger]

Not happy about this, but also not surprised. Hopefully dev teams can put a little bit of effort into making their PSVR 1 games compatible with PSVR 2.

[spambot0815]

then i want a vr2 port of moss and astro bot

[HeliosHex]

I can see them putting psvr games in a subscription service that's likely the reason.
There's no reason a psvr game can't work on psvr2. It's just software. The same way they make you pay for certain ps2,ps3 games the same way your ps4 games work on ps5 psvr games are no different.

[Eonjay]

There are a few reasons why it shouldn't work. The PSVR1 game is expecting to receive data, via it's API calls, from a camera six feet in front of the player that tells the game the position of the headset. The game would not be able to even find the PSVR2 headset which is now located at the same position as the camera itself.

The game would need to be able to make calls to the PSVR2 API and actually know what to do with it's response.

This would require the game to be patched.

[HeliosHex]

Exactly. Which makes it very doable. We are all accustomed to patches by now. Shouldn't be that painful for Sony to be more consumer friendly.

[crazyCoconuts]

You think the game even talks to the camera? And what? Does it's own image processing to figure out where the colored balls of lights are? No way. The game doesn't even know the camera is there. The game asks where is the player and which direction are they pointing. All the image program and vector math magic happens in Sony's infrastructure, transparent to the game. Anything but that would be ludicrous

[Eonjay]

@crazyCoconuts
*In inside-out positional tracking, the camera or sensors are located on the device being tracked (e.g. HMD) while in outside-in the sensors are placed in a stationary location. A VR device using inside-out tracking looks out to determine how its position changes in relation to the environment."

An inside out tracking system is NOT gonna be able to provide, via it's API connection to the game, the camera based vector data the game is depending on. This is a situation where you are speaking out of turn without first doing the short research required to know you are speaking nonsense. There is no Sony magic that is going to do this.

[crazyCoconuts]

@eonjay, your short research isn't helpful because you don't understand how graphics are rendered. The actual camera's position in PSVR is meaningless to the game other than to determine where the headset and controllers are and where they are pointed, in relative space. When a game renders the view you see through your headset, that's what it uses. One vector for your right eye, then a few inches to the left to get the perspective of your left. The actual camera, like the IR lasers in the Index, are just used to determine those key pieces of information and provide it to the game. Inside out needs to provide the EXACT SAME information to the game, it just uses a completely different way to compute it. The Sony magic (like the magic in Rift) is the amazing image processing that figures out where you are relative to a baseline and how fast you're moving/turning. It's all fascinating tech, but in the end it provides since pretty basic data to the game

[lucian229]

eventually....but you know they need to actually hire people to do the patches? that costs money

[Bathyj]

Are you sure it costs money? /S

I mean people seem to understand if you have a plumber to your house to fix your toilet or take your car to a mechanic you have to pay for their labour. But people seem to think if you're sitting at a computer writing code if should just be free.

I don't get it, should the coder work for free or should they get paid but their company pays them and doesn't pass on the charge to their customer?Thats not how business works.

[HeliosHex]

@lucien Lol sonys pockets are deep. Iam sure it wouldn't hurt much.

[lucian229]

@Bathyj, basically they'd have to eat the cost with hopes that it's update grants more sales. But yeah for some reason people think anything on a pc should be free.

I guess if they don't see the work than it isn't actually work to them lol.

@helios, and this is proof you aren't and can never be a business owner lmao. Concept of profit margins and other things are completely outside your realm of understanding.

[BLAKHOODe]

Not a deal breaker, but I've got 80 PSVR games I'd hate to see goto waste, because once I upgrade, I'm not going back.

[Killer2020UK]

Because remakes/remasters/re-releases are more profitable than backward compatible games...

[DOMination-]

DOA like the first one in my opinion.

After the first batch of titles release, it will be forgotten about just like every other accessory that releases separately post-console launch. Whether it's light guns, Kinect, Move, EyeToys, PSVR, 3D glasses, they all end up with the same fate. There will be some initial excitement, but outside of the people on sites like this, people will quickly move on and back to regular games.

[Profchaos]

It wasn't it Was the highest selling headset before the quest 2. Sellong 5 million units to date and has the strongest software attach rate to any vr headset in the market meaning psvr owners actively play it more than most other vr headsets.

Just because it didn't garner 100 million sales doesn't mean it's a failure even Sony prior to its launch stated its a product that will be quite niche but they hope to learn a lot in the vr market

It's hardly doa

[Petebloodyonion]

3d tv was considered a failure, should the best-selling 3tv consider a success?

Now let me get this straight We should consider the PSVR a success because it sold 5 to7 million units out of 116 million consoles making it a 6% adoption rate.

Yet you know what is considered a major flop in gaming history.
The Sega CD
a similar visionary add-on that sold 2.9 million out of 30 million Sega Genesis /Mega drives making it a 10% adoption rate.
reason for failure for SEGA CD?
not enough consoles sold

[Profchaos]

@pete segas failures around the era of the cd and 32x are well published it's not sales but sega built up a poor rep with gamers launching the cd and 32x and Saturn so close that nobody could trust them to support anything

[Orchard]

I don’t think it’s DOA unless they come in at a crazy price point.

I do think it’ll sell poorly like the first one though - perhaps even worse depending on the price point given the current economic situation.

[EvertonFC]

Can't say I'm not disappointed 😔 still day 1 though

[badboyz09]

Never sell your old stuff👍

[Profchaos]

This 100%. I regret to this day letting go of my nes, but even more so my mega drive and 32x with a sega cd my family gave to charity around the year 2000 when they figured I had moved onto playstation.

I looked at rebuking the sega and the full kit is now in the thousands in Australia

[Orchard]

Old stuff breaks eventually, batteries die out, etc and replacements stop being manufactured.

[Profchaos]

Pretty surprising in the gaming space you may not be able to buy genuine parts like controllers however you can buy many aftermarket parts such as third party controllers for systems that are 30 years old now or controller adapters to convert modern gamepads for retro systems eg use duelsense on a ps1/2. I say that as I just brought a replacement disc laser for a launch model ps1which cost $20 aud about 10 usd.

Also there is methods to adapt older tech to use new things like modern displays via the expensive retrotink or simple cheqp but effective hdmi adapters and sd card readers to replace discs with iso files or even network adapters to stream games from a share on a pc

Also it's still possible to buy replacement motherboards, cd lasers etc for most retro systems.

I agree eventually this will become impossible to find but right now restoring a ps1, sega master system or any other console is a relatively simple process even easier if you can solder

[Orchard]

That makes sense and is totally possible for older HW but that will be pretty difficult on PS4/5.

Third party battery mods sure, but third party controllers have to be licensed etc unless a jailbreak occurs. Things we used to be able to repair, like lasers and whole disk drives now result in consoles failing to boot on modern boxes.

Lots more anti piracy procedures in place that unfortunately affects our right/ability to repair.

It does make me concerned for how it will be 10-20 years from now. I still have all my consoles going back to the NES and still play them occasionally. I also still play PS3 for some of the games that are stuck on that platform - but I have a feeling my NES will actually outlive my PS3/4/5 just due to how easy it is to replace parts

[Abnor_Mal]

No bueno Sony, no bueno.

[SoulWarrior]

Disappointed but not surprised as the tech is wildly different, not sure if I'm sold on buying another VR headset yet.

[GamingSinceForever]

Wow Sony WTF?

[Babadook7]

This is a bit disappointing. I don’t know why the technology could not allow for conversion of the hand and head tracking from the new devices into the old software. Maybe it will be added down the road.

[MadLad]

VR is still a niche market.
So this is where they believe in generations.

[generic-user-name]

Ah, the ol' selective amnesia. Returnal, Ratchet, Demon's Souls, Astro, Destruction All Stars and TLOU Part 1 don't seem to be available on PS4. Weird.

[WeAreLegion]

I'll wait to see how many get PSVR2 patches. If it doesn't look good, I'll stick with the Index.

[CobraKai]

Well. As nice as BC is, when buying a new system, I see it as a perk, not a reason. It’s nice that my PS5 and Series X can play old games, very nice, but I bought those to play PS5 games, and the best version of Xbox games. The same applies to VR2

[generic-user-name]

"As nice as BC is, when buying a new system, I see it as a perk, not a reason."

The silent majority agree with you and if the vocal minority need proof they can look at PS4 and Switch sales.

[gangsta_red]

That is a shame, the PSVR2 would have definitely benefited from having the already very limited library of the PSVR1.

[generic-user-name]

I think the PSVR1 has more exclusives than Xbox.

[gangsta_red]

It definitely has more shovelware and demos. Perfect to boost the PSVR2's library at launch.

[Stanjara]

This is a slap in the face to everyone who supported this niche product and made it into psvr2.

[generic-user-name]

A slap to the face would be crippling PSVR2 by having to develop it with PSVR1 in mind.

[Stanjara]

You mixed things up. This is not ps4-5 cross gen development.

This is just bc.

Imagine being a developer for psvr, and now your game is going to have zero sales and die.

[generic-user-name]

The Sense controllers are different to all forms of control that the PSVR1 had. They could maybe translate the tracking systems, but you do you press LX on a Sense when it's missing half the buttons? It requires updates for each game. There's no one-size-fits-all solution for PSVR1 BC.

"Imagine being a developer for psvr, and now your game is going to have zero sales and die."

Nothing is stopping devs from making PSVR2 ports and giving them to owners for free whilst selling to new PSVR2 owners who skipped PSVR1. NMS is already confirmed to being doing this.

[ActualWhiteMan]

That’s lazy bullsh*t. There is no excuse for this.

[XBManiac]

So... I will have to maintain older system near... well... I think they would have invested on this, but it must be expensive with no cameras on the TV side.

[FyBy]

Thats a pitty! I hoped I will go through some of them on PSVR2. So large library! It would definitely look better on PSVR2.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Same nonsense from gamers. Different day.

Some gamers collected PSVR 1 games but didn't buy the headset. As if the games were going to play themselves. And thought the new one, that doesn't track like the old one, was going to play the old games. Wrong.

Some sold their PSVR thinking the old games would be playable on the new headset. Wrong again. Sony never promised the new one would. Fault goes to those gamers dumb enough to never by PSVR but bought or collected games. Dumb enough to sell their units and dumb enough to assume the new one would.

PSVR works on PS5 with an adapter. You can play 99.9% of all the games. There's your backwards compatibility. Gamers completely ignoring that fact. Sony gave gamers the ability to play their games on the new console. But as usual, the entitled expected something not promised. If you didn't like PSVR setup to not play it, tough luck. You weren't that interested in VR to begin with. Gamers adapt to hardware. Consoles don't adapt to gamers entitled nature.

The others who were never interested in VR and just collected the Plus games but never bought a PSVR to play them are looking mighty foolish. The ones who sold it and the ones complaining. You want to play those games, there's devices already that plays them all. PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5 with an adapter. PICK ONE. But you don't want to do that. Just complain PS VR 2 doesn't when it's not a console. PS5 is the console and it plays almost all of them with an adapter.

Makes it easier to get it when you have individuals with entitlement complexes. Or worry about their entertainment setups not looking neat because you got two devices sitting in it.

[HardKnockKid24]

Wow dude, I feel sorry for you that you find a way to justify everything anti-consumer that this company does. So what if they didn’t promise it? If they care so much about their gamers why not put in the effort and investment to make it happen? If you observe everything that Sony has done this generation so far, it’s by far about prioritizing their bottom line over gamers. Is there anything you’ve disliked about Sony ever??

[ApocalypseShadow]

No. You're just ignorant of the situation.

The tracking is different. The controllers are different as the new ones don't have as many buttons as the PS Move. How would the new one play the old games with less buttons? The new one doesn't have lights.

That means, all the games would have to be patched and rebuilt. But a lot of you want those new updated games to be free. Showing entitlement again when developers would have had to put time and money to make them work. I expect remasters are coming for the popular ones. That's on the developers. Not Sony.

Sony gives you BC right now with an adapter. You can play almost all the games right now with PSVR. You can play them right now with PS4 and Pro. But that's not good enough for you. You want more because you're entitled.

Of course there are things I don't like. But I'm not stupid to think an entirely new setup is going to play games from an entirely old setup. That's on you for assuming. PS4 was an entirely new setup. Not built in hardware to do BC like PS3 did. But PS4 sold 120 million without BC. Switch sold 111 million without BC. Xbox One has some BC. Never sold over 50 million. Why did the other two sell well? Because they have so many new games that BC became less necessary. When you don't have games consistently like Microsoft, they have to rely on BC to get by. BC is nice to have. It's not as necessary as you think. And again, PS5 plays PSVR. Don't like it? Tough.

[HardKnockKid24]

Stop. Companies have ported games to other device’s with totally different setups in the past. To set up a default button remap would take minimal effort, even if to then say that the end user can make the final remap in order for it to make sense for each game. Also, what does Xbox have to do with this conversation? MOST OTHERS here all calling Sony’s practices what they are, but not you. You’re out here shilling for them night and day. If you pass away today, Jim Ryan is not even gonna drop a tweet for you my guy lol

[ApocalypseShadow]

The point is, new hardware isn't always compatible with old hardware. These are not PCs. Consoles have gone through so many chip changes over the years because they are not PCs. This headset is an entire overhaul over the old one. It was expected to not play PSVR one games. Anyone in the know would know this. Ignoring that doesn't make that untrue.

Where's your pitch forks when John Carmack confirmed that Quest 2 doesn't play Oculus Go games? Did you complain? If you didn't, that's unsurprising. If you have Quest 2, what Oculus Go games do you play that's so important? Name those games? If you have a Switch, did you complain that it didn't play WiiU games? Did you become upset that Nintendo sold you those games again? Are you upset that Kinect doesn't work on Xbox series X? If not, why not?

But you want to come down on Sony when it's not as simple as flipping a switch.

Gangster Red, you're not even a supporter of the headset to complain. Sony overhauled everything so that everything will be better. But now complain it's not compatible. If you even have one. But PS5 plays PSVR. You can play them at any time right now. Entitlement and lack of tech knowledge doesn't suit you.

[generic-user-name]

"Stop. Companies have ported games to other device’s with totally different setups in the past."

You seem to have mistaken porting with BC. All of these games could be ported, but that requires updating those games. An automatic BC solution isn't viable with the difference in control schemes between the two platforms.

[HardKnockKid24]

@generic-user-name, not at all. Was making an added point about effort. My point on remapping addresses this situation.

[gangsta_red]

The fact that you're calling consumers entitled (which is a word that has less value now, because of it's overuse on this site) only because they want more value and milage out of a peripheral that will probably be $400+ on top of the $500+ console they bought only shows how far out there you're willing to go to cap for Sony.

Even if there are limitations to the new VR, Sony should have thought ahead, especially knowing full well how they abandoned their first VR headset with support. The least they could have done is to see that develop for their second VR headset would be able to play all the first VR titles in mind. Not every one bought VR the first time, having the PSVR2 that has a back library would have been a perfect opportunity for Sony to get more people on board with VR. Not to mention people wouldn't have to wait months to play a VR game for their headset with PSVR1 games already available.

But your answer is buy the old headset and an adapter or some lame bs. You want consumers to spend more money instead of wanting Sony to do right by them. What's great is you know Sony is going to just resell re-releases, remakes and "remasters" for $70 and you'll be here cappin again with "support the developers!"

The only one with the entitlement complex is you, telling everyone to just fall in line with whatever Sony throws out there, bad decisions and all.

[Orchard]

“ PSVR works on PS5 with an adapter. You can play 99.9% of all the games. There's your backwards compatibility.”

This totally reads like something Don Mattrick would’ve said lol.

If you want back compat - we’ve got a solution for you! An old electronic that we will stop making eventually that costs hundreds of dollars! 😂

[ApocalypseShadow]

Orchard, you're not even a supporter of VR. So, anything you say is pretty much worthless. If you didn't come down on VR, it was sales against a runway train that was PS4 when the headset was almost double the cost of PS4.

PS5 plays PSVR. There's your BC. Where's Kinect and Kinect 2 support on Xbox? Lol. Even PS Move is used on PS5. But you guys want to talk about game preservation.

[Orchard]

I don’t believe there’s a requirement to be a supporter of something to call out what is clearly a crazy take on something.

And I call it as it is - PSVR had a low adoption rate, Kinect even managed to outperform it 4x and Kinect sucked + was a failure.

[ApocalypseShadow]

You weren't a supporter. You have no credit here.

PS5 plays PSVR. There's your BC.

[Orchard]

Being or not being a supporter doesn’t give credibility.

If only those who support a thing can comment on it then obviously we’d never see any negative opinions or feedback lol.

As I said, that’s just a Don Mattrick like statement. Want back compat? Go spend hundreds of dollars to buy our legacy hardware.

Also PSVRs won’t be manufactured forever, and existing ones will die out, so that is a terrible solution.

[StarkR3ality]

That's kinda shit tbh.

[BABY-JEDI]

Here we go again. Sony turns it’s back on its own library of games. It’s disappointing that they still struggle to learn their lessons from their past. PS+ needs a ROBUST back catalogue to compete with game pass

[purple101]

You might have meant to say gamepass needs a robust catalog of games to compete with Sony. As they are the leaders!

[ApocalypseShadow]

PS5 plays PSVR with an adapter. How's that turning it's back on its old library when the BC of PSVR is 99.9%?

Game pass has nothing to do with VR. Advertise much? Where's Microsoft's VR? Guess 70 billion isn't enough to afford it or support it on consoles.

[BABY-JEDI]

You are intentionally missing my point. But that’s fine. I won’t be buying PSVR2 anytime soon. As I don’t see any system sellers on the Horizon or in the VR Forbidden West 😬

[jznrpg]

I figured it wouldn’t be compatible because you need a camera for PSVR1 and don’t need it for PSVR2 . They are using different tech and it would take a lot of work to get them running on 2 .
Overall It doesn’t matter to me because I was always planning on keeping my PSVR1 as a collector of video games and consoles (minus xbox not worth collecting) .

[ApocalypseShadow]

You can't explain something to bricks. Some of these individuals don't even have PSVR to complain. They are just complaining for the sake of it.

If you tell them PS5 plays almost all the PSVR games with an adapter, they'll ignore that as they want to complain the new headset doesn't when it's an entirely different setup. They'll say Sony's leaving their library behind when PS5 plays PSVR.

They'll also ignore that their competitor doesn't have BC with Kinect or Kinect 2. Or that Switch doesn't have BC with WiiU. Watch as they drag this out when common sense sits right there staring at them.

I read about someone who packed their PSVR away in storage complaining. When all they have to do is pull it out and play it. Never mind that you can play PSVR on 3 systems.

[franwex]

They have to resell you the remasters. Duh.

[ichdich]

wtf?!

[ConsoleAgnostic]

That's a shame. They totally could make this happen.

[Orchard]

Back compat is always bottom of the list for Sony in terms of priorities.

This will mean paid upgrades and/or full price “PSVR2 remasters” though.

[WiiU-Dude]

I don't care. That sucks.

[TheLigX]

Sony is dropping the ball left and right lately.

[BrainSyphoned]

So no Skyrim or Fallout, lame.

[Stanjara]

Skyrim Jubilar VR edition build from 'ground up' for PSVR2... $70, GOTY Premium VR ride a dragon edition $100.
For the Players.

[Dixiedevil]

Breaking: I’m no longer excited for or preordering a PSVR2.

[AnotherGamer]

Yeah was afraid of this since they're different tech. I know some developers already working on PSVR2 updates for the PSVR1 games, still sucks though.

[generic-user-name]

Great to see so many media outlets and gamers finally care about PSVR1 games all of a sudden.

[Wrex369]

Waiting for all the remasters that Sony first party releases that can "now play" these games on PSVR2 for the small price of "please pay again" lol

[GoodGuy09]

Oof

[Outlawzz]

It's a shame, I was holding off on borderlands, skyrim, and a couple others to play them with upgraded hardware on ps5. I'll probly wait and see wt games are released

[Soulrakk]

annnnnnnnd PlayStation continues to suck.
Knew this was gonna happen.

[InUrFoxHole]

This is great news!

[DeadManMMX]

They could've made this backwards compatible and it just wouldn't have the updated PSVR2 features for the games. Now instead of offering free updates on these games to make them compatible they will simply charge for them. All of us collecting PSVR games on the hopes of playing them on 2 lost out. Oh well. The PSVR1 was just not quite there for me in what i wanted from VR so I waited. 2 seems like a day one buy. There is still the slim chance the publishers offer free upgraded versions to those who purchased the originals. ha ha ha yeah i know....

[Drakul]

it is Sony, what did you expect? :D

[AmUnRa]

Its explaned in a podcast with the developer from PSVR2. The PSVR1 games can not run because several technical issues. The psvr1 games can not because of run because of eyetracing haptic feedback resolution and fps and other technical issues. The psvr1 games need to be updated for to run with no problems on the psvr2. But there are developers willing to do that in cooperation wth Sony, so there is a possibilty that games get updated.