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Microsoft Lends Support to Epic Games in Anti-Trust Battle With Apple

Microsoft and 35 US states stand behind Fortnite developers in their epic battle against tech giant.

OG_TK_Cole815d ago

I told you guys in previous threads Microsoft and SONY are not competing. Them buying up all the Gaming Publishers and Studios is about keeping companies like Apple, Amazon ect... Out of the video business. They are doing everything in their power to hurt Apple.

lodossrage815d ago

They're still competing.

But I will admit, they both would do whatever they could to keep the other companies out of gaming as best they can.

Especially when you see what Google, Facebook, and Amazon have done in the gaming space so far, I can't help but want them away from the industry as well.

NickN814d ago

Facebook just lost 200 billion dollars in value. Zuckerberg himself lost in nearly 30 billion of his wealth.

Might be going the way of Myspace.

bradfh814d ago

You cant forget Netflix is trying to get into gaming too.

badz149814d ago

@bardfh

Netflix....can you just imagine the wokeness level they will bring to gaming as a whole?? terrifying to think about it.

ABizzel1813d ago

Facebook is restructuring into Meta, there is often huge losses when things like that happen. Facebook owns to much to become Myspace and there are still billions of people on the application.

Gameseeker_Frampt813d ago

You are supporting monopolistic and anti-consumer behavior because you have some misplaced notion about who is and isn't "good." They are all companies out to make money and it is through marketing that they have led some to believe that they are the good guys that know what is best for the industry.

"look at what has happened to the game companies that Amazon, Facebook, or Google have purchased so far compared to the rest of the industry" You mean like Pysgnosis and Japan Studio? Or perhaps you feel that companies that have been in the industry since the NES know what is best for the industry. like Konami? How about Rockstar, who makes so much money off of GTA5 that they don't feel the need to make more than 1 new game every decade? Maybe you prefer Sony's approach of closing down digital storefronts, making it impossible to easily play older games?

I remember people complaining about HBO, Netflix, Amazon, etc. getting into producing their own TV shows since that would hurt network TV and they were just doing it to make money. Now, just about every great TV show comes from something outside of the traditional network TV.

lodossrage813d ago

@Gameseeker_Frampt

Yes, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have closed studios too. EVERYONE has. But each of those companies have LONG track records of success and have built the industry. Go ahead and tell me you can say the same thing for Google, Facebook, Amazon, Applet, etc.

Second, Apple being a "monopoly" is a farce because there is a competitor out there, You might know it as Android. And Apple is a big as it is NOT because they went out and kept other companies out of the industry or bought others out. Apple is what it is because when the Iphone came out, EVERY other company thought it would fail and didn't bother to compete until Apple gained a stranglehold on the market.

And lastly, nobody is "supporting" monopolistic tendencies. I just know a wolf in sheep clothing when I see it.

Gameseeker_Frampt813d ago

@lodossrage

"But each of those companies have LONG track records of success and have built the industry. Go ahead and tell me you can say the same thing for Google, Facebook, Amazon, Applet, etc." How exactly are companies supposed to get "LONG track records of success" if you think every newcomer has no place in the business? Atari, Nintendo, and Sega built the industry. Sony saw that there was money to be made there and joined in later. Same with Microsoft. Why is it ok for them to do that and nobody else? Are you really that excited about broken and incomplete games, DLC, microtransactions, and NFTs that you think videogames are better now than they were 30 years ago?

That is a very nice sentiment about Apple and I have no idea where that applies to anything I said. The monopolistic tendencies that you are supporting are Sony and Microsoft buying up studios and publishers in order to keep competition out of the videogame market. If keeping Google, Facebook, and Amazon out of the gaming space justifies just 2 console makers controlling almost all of the games, how exactly is that good for consumers?

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Gameseeker_Frampt814d ago

A few decades ago the same thing could of been said about Sony and Microsoft getting into the videogame business. Would you have been so supportive of Nintendo buying up publishers to keep rival companies out?

lodossrage814d ago

Nintendo didn't have to do that, They had the "Nintendo seal of quality" to keep the industry under their thumb.

And as for the buying up companies support. I'm not in favor of anyone doing that. However, look at what has happened to the game companies that Amazon, Facebook, or Google have purchased so far compared to the rest of the industry. Not saying Sony or MS should be praised, but out of all the major competitors out there, which two would you trust the most?

Knightofelemia814d ago (Edited 814d ago )

@OG_TK_Cole

Microsoft and Sony are still competing no different then John Deere and Case, Ford and GM, or LG and Samsung. They just go about it in different ways how Microsoft and Sony utilize their purchases will take time Microsoft takes control of Activision in 2023 not sure when Sony takes control of Bungie. Apple has been in gaming they had the Pippin and that lived a very short life from 1996-1997. But Apple I would say is more focused on gaming on the iphone or ipad. And I understand that it can be hell to deal with Apple vs Google and Android. Apple to me is overpriced garbage and are designing their phones, computers, Ipads so only they can fix it voiding the right to repair. I bought a gaming laptop cheaper with better specs then the price of a new Apple laptop.

@Lodossrage

I wouldn't call Google a major competitor in the gaming industry Stadia is something nobody wants even when they offer it for free. They bought up three studios and shut them down after a year of purchase. That's even quicker then how EA moves with a new studio. Stadia has a magazine rack of games and stuff like GamePass and PSN Now have a library of games. How Google is handling their gaming branch is well just a complete fucking mess. Amazon time will tell with them how they handle their gaming side hopefully better then Google.

lodossrage814d ago

@Knightofelemia

Google is a major competitor no matter how much we laugh and shame them for Stadia. They are a powerhouse in the tech industry and have the money to compete with anyone. Just because they fell on their face with Stadia doesn't mean they won't try again.

Hell, Apple is seen as a threat now. But I remember a time before the Iphone were everything Apple did was considered crap, including their failed gaming system the Pippen.

OG_TK_Cole813d ago

You have no idea what your talking about, but carry on kind sir

RaiderNation814d ago

Ok then if they're not competing, bring Starfield to PS5. I'm waiting.

Vengeance1138814d ago

Microsoft is absolutely competing with Sony.
If they weren't they would keep 100% of Activision and Bethesda IPs multiplatform so all can play. But they won't because MS also wants to hurt Sony in the process.
Not to mention everything MS does has a direct impact on Sony and their stock.

jznrpg814d ago

Not everything that’s a but much but the last deal did have an affect but long term is different than daily market disruptions that are normal knee jerk reactions to any news , I’ve invested In stocks for 3 decades now so it was expected and a good time to buy some more stock if you want to add to your position or start one .

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ApocalypseShadow814d ago

Microsoft is just looking to profit off of Apple losing the court case because they were prevented in putting their service on Apple's platform like they wanted just like Epic was guilty in trying to go around Apple's policy. Apple's phone, while successful, is not a utility. Microsoft is just as guilty of trying to lock others out of their platform or games by buying up publishers. If they weren't, they'd have PS Plus or Now and Nintendo's service on Xbox without having Nintendo or Sony having to pay royalties to Microsoft. And all the publishers and developer's games Microsoft bought would be multiplatform.

It's hard to say if it's a good idea or not to try to lock other companies out your platform. But it's your platform. Not saying I'm for Apple or Google or Amazon or whomever. But let's look at this differently because it's all tied together with different forms of lock outs.

Nintendo tried to lock competitors interested in competition in getting into the game industry with policies put forth back then to keep third parties from making games on others platforms like Sega. What if Nintendo bought up third party developers back then? Crazy right? But Sega wasn't trying to make games for Nintendo. They wanted equal footing but made their own platform for games. Epic backed by Tencent could make their own console or phone. Instead, Epic wants to profit off of Apple's platform without paying royalties. You also don't see Steam on the Epic Store. They want to ride on Apple's success. So does Microsoft after their failed Windows phones and their push for digital services on Apple's platform.

What if Nintendo or Sega would have bought up third parties during the height of their success at home and in the arcade. That would have made it difficult for an outsider like Sony to enter the game business. That would mean all the success Sony has had over the last 25 years wouldn't exist. That would have been a bad lock out.

I hope gamers see what I'm saying. If it's your platform, you have a right to do whatever on your platform like lock others out from profiting on your platform free from abiding by your rules. Apple wasn't locking Epic out. Apple wanted payments of royalties based on their rules on their platform. Epic didn't like the rules they signed and went around it.

There's also lock outs that are bad by locking content to one platform. If everyone was enjoying multiplatform content, and you buy it up to only have it for yourself, that's bad. Microsoft is guilty of that as they buy big publishers. But this guilty company wants to back Epic to give both of them free reign on Apple's platform. Crazy right?

lodossrage814d ago

you said many of the things I said when this lawsuit first started.

And yeah, MS wouldn't be backing Epic if Windows Phone was a success. They'd be on the other side of this lawsuit right along with Apple and Google if it were.

As for the main bulk of this, yeah I don't see how Epic can sign an agreement and then say "oh we don't like the terms, let's circumvent them". That's a debate you have BEFORE YOU SIGN AN AGREEMENT. And with all that backing Tencent gives them, why not just do the R &D for their own phone and call it a day?

I dislike all these companies. But I'm sorry, Apple should win this. Apple already won the first time this made it to the courtroom. My guess is Epic will try to keep appealing until they get a judge and/or jury they feel will favor them.

ABizzel1813d ago

@Apocalypse

1000% agree. This wouldn't be a conversation if Windows phones took off. But they were awful, and lost the OS war really to Android OS. Doing business on a privately owned platform is like doing business in a country (except the laws are significantly more strict). You have to pay to do business there.

None of these corporations are here to be our friends, they provide us a form of Entertainment that we pay our money for. It is a business transaction. Some employees and even leaders may actually care about the quality of the product and enjoyment of the "buyer/consumer" (see how I didn't say fan), but the corporation is here for your Money, and anything else they attempt to demonstrate is a facade. They are not for the gamer, they are for the shareholder / the profit / the growth of their business. And that goes for all of them, but especially the one pretending to be.

UltimateOwnage814d ago

Microsoft loves breaking down barriers to forcing their crappy sub services onto every medium they can push their malware onto. As a consumer I have chosen some Apple products because they are closed ecosystems. If I wanted an MS phone and platform I’d have bought one, but they didn’t offer a competitive product. That’s free market. Trying to “Epic” their way into controlling someone else’s platform is pretty lame.

badz149814d ago

what are you talking about? Epic doesn't want to control the iPhones, they just don't want to pay a royalty to Apple for offering their service to the iPhone users. Fortnite is played on the Epic server, not Apple's. Apple is just there to collect royalties because those players use their iPhones (they already paid for) to play Fortnite.

I'm in support of neither but I can relate to why Epic would stand against Apple here...for better or for worse.

lodossrage814d ago (Edited 814d ago )

how is what you said any different than when sony, microsoft, or nitnendo let a game be sold on their storefront while whoever developed/published the game use their own servers?

Whether they use their own servers or not, they're still distributing the game on Apple's hardware AND through Apple's storefront. And again, they knew what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE AGREEMENT. They're trying this same exact lawsuit with Google. If they don't like the terms, they can cry to the masters over at Tencent to start up some R & D and produce their own phones and actually try to compete instead of complain they can't get their way on someone else's platform.

Inverno814d ago

Just a bunch of opportunists. Non of these people really want Apple to be taking down a notch or two, they just either want money or… well that's really it, just money. Same when all these congress people get together and interrogate FB and Twitter. All for show and money cause they're all invested in these tech giants and profiting off them. Which is why it's been such a drawn out battle for right to repair, and why more companies now have been able to get away with locking up products you buy with subscriptions and specific repair shops

SimpleSlave814d ago (Edited 814d ago )

Microsoft's about to partake in some of that Lunar New Year Sale Epic has going on. Sorry, did I say some? I meant ALL.

"So, Microsoft! Which games are you interested in getting today?"
"Yes...[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5)̲̅$̲̅] -😈و ̑̑"
"Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeit!!! "

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Barlos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Well, they're ugly aren't they?

Ironmike3h ago

Playstation should have went with nike

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv722d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle2d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning771d 19h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga2d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv721d 13h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19921d 8h ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21832d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan1d 20h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit1d 13h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus231d 19h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv721d 19h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier1d 8h ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan23h ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1012d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1d 19h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac2d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic2d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1d 19h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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