Overwatch Team Loses Female Player Due to 'Unforeseen Reactions'

Overwatch team Second Wind has lost female player Ellie due to "unforeseen reactions" regarding her appointment, with her being the target of sexist harassment from the game's community.

[Vits]

The big issue with that player is that nobody even knows if she is real.
She pretty much just appeared, she haven't streamed her gameplay before, nobody have ever saw her nick in other high ranked players streams and while she did eventually played in a stream latter, there was no way to confirm who was playing.

[Christopher]

Ah, that's a totally valid reason to harass her.

[Vits]

My point is: A lot of the negative reception that she got was because she was a high level player that nobody knew about before the Second Wind announcement.

That doesn't mean that I believe that harassing her was correct. But again we don't even know if she was a real person. That's how bizarre this situation really is.

[Christopher]

***But again we don't even know if she was a real person.***

I think her performance in a competition would have pretty much solidified any worries as such and I doubt anyone on the team wants to put someone on it that isn't a real player.

If this was a male gamer out of nowhere, I don't think people would have made the same knee-jerk responses and would have waited to see them play in a competition. I think this is more a case where male gamers aren't as critically analyzed and feel more comfortable streaming regularly without special treatment from fellow gamers due to their gender. Not all people are as well equipped to put up with such people and she apparently wasn't. I don't think that's her fault so much as a sign of how people are treated online in general.

[Vits]

"I think her performance in a competition would have pretty much solidified any worries as such and I doubt anyone on the team wants to put someone on it that isn't a real player. "

I agree with you. Her performance in a competition or she simple appearing in the stream would have proven that she was the real deal (or that she wasn't). But that will not happen anymore, so we will never know and that is a shame.

" If this was a male gamer out of nowhere, I don't think people would have made the same knee-jerk responses and would have waited to see them play in a competition."

More or less. If it was a male player, people would still be suspicious (High rank, low level, never in the matchs of other top players, etc...). But I doubt that they would go as far as to try doxing the dude.

[rainslacker]

"If this was a male gamer out of nowhere, I don't think people would have made the same knee-jerk responses and would have waited to see them play in a competition."

Really? Gamers tend to be pretty reactionary to new things that they don't like. The new kid on the block isn't usually greeted with open arms. Heck, even the long standing respected members tend to get harassed to.

Not saying that the female part didn't drive some harassment, but realistically, the online community tends to be pretty crappy to everyone....especially on the competitive circuit level.

If this person, male or female dropped out because they were being harassed, how did they make it so far into competitive scene to begin with? Harassment is normal in online games, and I'd expect anyone who plays at that level to have pretty thick skin by now. Unless this is just some sort of wunderkin gamer who is that proficient at gaming on their first go.

Vits brings up some valid points though. I only followed this a bit through cursory exposure, but seemed that people were asking if this person was legit, because it's kind of rare for really good players that no one has ever heard of to suddenly show up on the competitive circuit, where no one on the competitive circuit has ever heard of them, or their contacts haven't heard of them. It's even rarer that that person can't be tracked down through other means once the whole thing gets big enough to gain momentum in the forums or press.

I do disagree with Vits though that people wouldn't go so far as to try and Dox a male player, based on the other things that don't seem to add up to the typical profile of a high ranking player.

I'm sorry, but the way this all played out seemed rather suspicious. Not that the harassment didn't happen...because as I said, the gaming community can be a**holes. But this seems like more of a set up to manufacture a controversy than anything. They could have quelled a lot of the controversy by just making her more public, but everything was shrouded in secrecy, and it seems rather convenient that the only thing they really release about her is her stats, and that it's a female?

[Christopher]

***But this seems like more of a set up to manufacture a controversy than anything.***

I disagree with this. There have already been other female Overwatch professional mentions before her. I do think it was an attempt to get a gamer who obviously was uncomfortable with being in the public eye and was not well handled by the team or her side to try and meet half way. But to claim controversy as the goal I think is a huge leap.

[rainslacker]

I guess that's fair. Jump to controversy really shouldn't be my first inclination. Maybe I've become jaded in recent years.

But at the same time, why even mention it's a female if they were trying to make her comfortable. Why bring her on board at all if she was uncomfortable with the "public" spotlight. That isn't going to bode well.

While this person had some impressive stats, it's not like there aren't other great players out there who wouldn't mind being on a team like this. In a game played by millions, chances are, there are going to be at least ten to twenty thousand high ranking players to choose from. Otherwise, who would these people play against for the ridiculous number of hours they play each day?

If the problem was that she wasn't comfortable being in the public eye then they weren't ready to be a pro player. They would have been harassed either way. If it's a female, that's going to be the focus of the harassment. But more often than not, the actual harassment isn't because it's a female, it's just that the weak minded idiots who harass others online pick the easiest target to focus on....which in the gaming community, is sadly sometimes gender.

Anyhow, I don't wish to accuse the team itself of trying to manufacture controversy. I really see no reason that would be beneficial to them. But I think we can both agree, that we're going to see at least one article about how gamers suck because of this instance....which sucks because it just perpetuates this belief that gamers are terrible sexist people.

On a side note, I was actually offended(in a general sense) today by a comment I read on Facebook through one of those share things. It said something along the lines of, "Date a gamer. They won't cheat on you because they'll be sitting on their couch playing games". That was pretty stereotypical, and does not actually paint gamers in a good light. I'm offended as a gamer, and maybe a male since there are plenty of males who don't cheat. That came from some twitter thing of what I guess is a female gamer type considering the thumbnail picture.

I'm not sure where to rage about it though, so I just thought I'd vent here. Thanks for listening.:) You're my safe space. Love you.

[Christopher]

***But at the same time, why even mention it's a female if they were trying to make her comfortable. Why bring her on board at all if she was uncomfortable with the "public" spotlight. That isn't going to bode well.***

I think that was the faux pas of the team owner. I think she went in with the understanding that she wanted low key and they went further than she was comfortable with. But, on the other hand, what she wanted as far as low key was way too low key for that sort of position.

[rainslacker]

If that's the case, then I 100% agree with you. Obviously, one day, they'd be more public, and that probably should have been made pretty clear upon recruitment. Female or not. I would also think that a group of people that are accustomed to how bad the online community can be, their first inclination, and really only personal information they release, shouldn't have been the gender of the team member. That's pretty much just asking for trouble. There is no real way to keep someone completely away from any public notice in these conditions....but you don't introduce people with the most contentious thing possible. You let them prove themselves, then do the big reveal....so to speak.

That's a failing of the idiots in the community that likes to harass others, but I still stand by my belief that most don't attack because it's a female, but being female gives them something to attack with. In other words, gender isn't what's being fought....gender is just the weapon being used.

[jwillj2k4]

rainslacker

let her skills validate her presence. if shes a plant then call her what she is and get her out of here. But for people to say the 'The big issue is if she was real' is asinine. That is a secondary / non issue. One that would play out naturally of people used common sense.

It's like this, people start harassing you for thinking you're going to J-walk. You haven't walked across the street yet, and now you just go back into your house because you can't take the harassment. Then the news comes out and says "The big issue is that we don't know who this man is. When did he move there? His neighbors don't know him". Who cares if the people don't know you! Let's let your actions speak first before judging you.

[ginganinja]

@rainslacker
"Really? Gamers tend to be pretty reactionary to new things that they don't like. The new kid on the block isn't usually greeted with open arms. Heck, even the long standing respected members tend to get harassed to. "
"Not that the harassment didn't happen...because as I said, the gaming community can be a**holes."

But why should it be that we have the loudest, most obnoxious part of our community dictate the terms. Why should it be that when a new gamer joins a mp game and gets abuse, the reaction is, 'oh, you just have to laugh it off and mute them.' And who can blame them if they think, 'f**k this for a game of marbles, I came here to enjoy myself.' and go find something else to do.
It's gaming itself that loses out when we let morons decide who is worthy or not of being classed as a 'proper gamer', and the more we can welcome in folks with a more balanced attitude the less toxic the gaming landscape will become.

[Cobra951]

"That's a failing of the idiots in the community that likes to harass others, but I still stand by my belief that most don't attack because it's a female, but being female gives them something to attack with. In other words, gender isn't what's being fought....gender is just the weapon being used."

Someone who makes me think is someone whom I respect.

[Epicor]

Misinformed is misinformed. Let me clarify. There has been very little to none of harassment over the player gender. ONLY “harrasment” has been people questioning his/her gender. There lots more to it than commented above. She has never been on voice chat other than very briefly (few words) sometimes before or after matches, never during. Many people, rightfully so, started to think that it was actually her boyfriend/friend playing during the matches. When asked to stream with video she declined because she didn’t have a good enough camera. People offered to buy her a camera, no response. So you can see why people are puzzled. And now that she was signed to tier 2 OW team people asked a validation for his/her gender. At this point the team announces that the player steps down due to harassment. WTF? So before blindly playing your social justice warrior card, please educate yourself on the matter.

And it’s not like a professional female OW player would be hated by the fans. There is one female player in tier OW team (in Overwatch league, Shanghai Dragons, Geguri), and she is one of the most loved player of the whole league.

[Reborn]

Assumptions aren't a good basis for harassment. So she stayed off the radar, doesn't suddenly enable her to be harassed.

[Vits]

Totally agree. But her master ninja skills played a big part on people going after information about her what did unfortunately resulted in harassment.

[Sono421]

I don't know the whole situation, but this article leads me to believe it isn't telling the whole story. There are plenty of pro female Overwatch players, why would this specific one just randomly get harassment? Sounds like the Battlefield V scenario to me, people hated it for multiple reasons, but EA and articles said all of it was just sexism. Poor journalism / agenda pushing is all it is.

[mopground]

turns out she was a he https://clips.twitch.tv/Aff...

[jwillj2k4]

The big issue is pieces of shit like you needing to justify someone’s skillset just because she’s a girl. You’re validating the harassment by not acknowledging it as the primary issue. “Is she real?” She’s playing in a tournament you moron.

[Vits]

She have not played in the tournament though. If she did played on one that situation would not have happened. You cutie pie.

[jwillj2k4]

She’s was going to if people like you didn’t have inferiority complexes.

[Vits]

Oh my dear you flatter me, but I haven't engage with her in anyway. I only followed this controversy from the shadows like a complex but inferior ninja. ／_・)

[rainslacker]

I hate to respond since i know you'll be restricted for your comment but....

She apparently chose to drop out. That was on her. While I don't condone those that would have harassed her, they didn't force her to drop out. I find it hard to believe that someone who apparently is so good at an online game would be so upset and phased over online harassment like this. Unless there was some other instance of actual dangerous harassment that scared them off, like they were doxxed and dead animals or some other terrible thing happened off the internet, anyone who's online knows that for the most part, any and all harassment is pretty much contained to the internet. While it likely would have continued, chances are, if she was good, once she actually played in a real tournament, most gamers would be fine with her, and those that would harass either way, would continue to do so.

Chris makes a good argument above....that maybe they were nervous about the public eye. In which case, there are may issues here which are failings on many levels. But it's reasonable to question the validity of a player that comes out of nowhere, that no one has ever heard of, doesn't have anyone attesting to their credentials anywhere outside the team that recruited her, and doesn't have that much of a play history yet is somehow ranked very highly.

The harassment over her being a female was just a weapon that some people used, but if it wasn't that, then it probably would have been something else, because there were things that were odd about their appearance and inclusion to the team, and gamers are nothing if not cynical....especially on the competitive circuits, and their fans are just as jaded and cynical like you see with regular sports teams. We could discuss back and forth why that is good or bad, but it doesn't change how the world is, nor does it make someone a "piece of sh*t" because they accept the reality of the situation. One can do that without condoning such actions.

The question remains despite this drop out though...."is she real?". We don't know, and now we likely never will. Whether it was really a woman or not is rather inconsequential to that question wouldn't you say?

[jwillj2k4]

FTANK

Read the read the thread before responding.

[mopground]

https://clips.twitch.tv/Aff...

[jwillj2k4]

Mopground

You’re missing the entire point.

[EliteComments123]

LOL what?

[Smokehouse]

Pretty much.

[Epicor]

She wasn’t she. She is actually he. Just confirmed.

[Casepb]

Overwatch is pretty damn toxic towards males, I can't even imagine just how bad females must get it.

[kneon]

Even the article is taking a subtle dig at her by using an image of Mercy. It says she's a DPS, so why not use one of the female DPS heroes, oh that's right, because girls only play support. They can't hide their sexism, it comes through anyway.

[Atticus_finch]

Men are trash...

[SierraGuy]

So are everyone else.

[Atticus_finch]

Yea at least half the population lol.

[Sono421]

found the sexist

[Atticus_finch]

It's hard not be when your a guy but I try to be better.

[Sono421]

I truly feel bad for you, must be tiring going through life with such a toxic mindset.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Fighting sexist remarks with sexism. Smart!

[Atticus_finch]

Not the most efficient but oh so rewarding.

[RebelWAC]

Said the one who get what she deserves

[Inzo]

Its such a mystery why the majority of people think that feminism is a cancer.

[Atticus_finch]

The majority of guys you mean.

[carcarias]

Your avatar is a picture of a male film character renowned for being brave, honest, compassionate and willing to judge every individual based on their own personal merits and actions, regardless of who or what they are. A man admired for his fierce integrity and solemn humility.....

.....and then you go and write that. I assume you're just joking with us :)

[Atticus_finch]

Yea, it's a joke. I'm a guy myself, I thought it was more than obvious.

[RyanShutup]

That type of mindset will get you nowhere especially not with these toxic ass 3rd wave feminists that you're trying to impress. They'll hate you regardless unless you cut your genitalia off. It's like the blind leading the blind. Unless of course you're joking in which case... carry on good sir.

[Rachel_Alucard]

All I'm getting is people put her on a pedestal for being a female who plays comp, and she got pressured out of playing. She literally appeared on the team not even a month ago, and while I believe she's real I just think it's strange to be on an e-sport team and instantly leave the second people start going off. Harassment is never warranted, but people giving you attention for just being a female in a male dominated hobby is unavoidable. People try to force and bitch this fact to be different but until culture changes and more women seek out the scene, then people will continue to focus on the anomaly in their space

[GameRant]

"instantly leave the second people start going off"

Did you just ignore the part of targeted threats and doxxing? Do you even understand how serious that is?

[Rachel_Alucard]

Both of these things are part of harassment. This shit won't stop if people keep quitting when it starts happening to them. You are doing exactly what they wanted by quitting instead of taking it. None of these threats and doxxing ever lead to someone actually committing a serious crime. Men get harassed and doxxed too but nobody ever says or does anything to them. Nothing will change if people quit at the first backlash.

[Dizzy11523]

People are such babies these days.

[Giblet_Head]

Women get called mean things and ragequit
Men get called mean things and laugh it off

[rainslacker]

Most of the women I have played against would just talk sh*t back. Random or people I knew. I've noticed that a woman tends to have that be the first thing pointed out as a reason to harass someone, but the people that do that tend to harass everyone over something. Otherwise, I actually notice more male players seem to go all ga-ga over a female player suddenly showing up, as if they're some form of rare beast or something. In more social games, like MMORPG's, I've noticed women tend to be some of the better players, and often the more interesting to talk to because they have conversations that aren't just about the game itself, but about life or things in general.

I was a tank in a really good raiding guild in WOW, and my best healers through several years of play were always the females...with one exception when the druids were overpowered healers. I was usually really good friends with them outside the raids...because tanks and healers are a sacred bond(or rather, you tend to quest together a lot outside of raids).... and quite a few of them are still facebook friends today. Guilds didn't usually accept harassment of players though, and in WOW, most people that saw a female player tended to want to do crap for them...which was odd, considering that WOW's player base was made up of quite a few female gamers comparatively speaking....but of course, I'm rambling now.:)

[jwillj2k4]

This is a very narrow-minded perception, one that is not based in reality. Everyone treats each situation differently. I've seen more men rage quit for a variety of reasons than I've seen women. That doesn't mean most men rage quit. Same goes for women laughing it off and dominating afterwards.

[Kombatologist]

Huh. I didn't have to say anything to these men to make them rage-quit. https://imgur.com/a/ie02Vaz

Weird.

[Giblet_Head]

You three really overthought this.

Rainslacker with a tl;dr wall of text
jwillj2k4 with stating the obvious
Kombatologist for basing own experience as a general occurrence to what is otherwise a minority to that which is often needlessly reported i.e this article.

Point is, women more often than not will whine and broadcast their inner grievances regarding mean words thrown their way, in comparison to men, who do not invest that much emotion into something so pointless.

[Kombatologist]

Something tells me thinking isn't your strong suit. Keep generalizing, though. I'm sure it will take you far.

[Giblet_Head]

Kombatologist

So that's how you rebuttal looking stupid?

Weird. May as well have not said anything.

[Giblet_Head]

To add further, as if 'more often than not' wasn't an obvious enough cue to a small minority that act outside their basic biological nature as socially critical creatures, much less of a generalization than recognizing the most basic nature of the opposite sex. You're in no position to make assumptions of other's line of thinking, when you yourself are overthinking something so simple. So far from this it's my assumption you haven't interacted with many women at all or enough to recognize a pattern when comparing the two.

Outside of life in general, try spending five minutes on tumblr with a keyword search and you'll spend days reading long drawn out monologues by women because someone said a mean word, or looked at them funny. You'll be hard-pressed to find that from men at an even remotely equal scale, because in general they don't waste energy on such trivial tripe. It's simply an average case of their nature to not care, as much or even close to that of the opposite.

[Kombatologist]

@Giblet_Head

If you want a proper rebuttal to your stupid, so be it.

It's no secret that women express their feelings more than men. That's because we're generally taught from an early age that doing so makes us weak. (It doesn't.) But here's the thing: It does more harm than good. At the end of the day, bottling everything up and acting like a tough guy doesn't make you stronger than other men, it just makes you an asshole to everyone around you.

Sure, women have a reputation for being sensitive. But if you took the blindfolds off for one minute, you'd find that toxic masculinity is happening all around us (I call your tumblr and raise you 4chan by the way) and that it generally stems from emotionally unstable men who take offense to everything. Trump is a prime example of this.

When it comes to breaking points -- and everyone has one -- the threshold seems to be a lot lower in men. Why else are mass shooters predominantly male? Hell, even sociopathic/psychopathic serial killers are predominantly male. Men are aggressive and destructive by nature, which does us no favors when it comes to our inability to express our own feelings. Or the lack thereof.

TL;DR - Get out of here with that "men laugh it off, women ragequit" bullshit.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

None of this makes any sense. Every woman gamer that I've ever played with has been more than accepted by male gamers. In fact, they usually end up making way more friends online than most guys do. As a man, I've been called a F****t so many times online, but do I cry about it? No, of course not. I laugh it off and put the idiots on mute.

Back when I was growing up, we were all taught that 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'. Today, sticks and stones and names all break bones, and leave you with PTSD, and then you go to university and become a snowflake.

Another real world example of women being accepted and treated extremely well, is in the construction industry. Men are usually intrigued when they see a women doing siding, plumbing or electrical work ect...ect… and they usually get treated far better than the guys do. I've seen this with my own eyes, over many years in the industry.

Having said all of that, if a woman comes into a male dominated arena, then she should expect to be treated like one of the guys, because nobody there wants to coddle people who are not there to excel, and put maximum effort into whatever it is they do, because they have their own work objectives to worry about.

Women need to learn how to handle criticism, and when they get their feelings hurt by someone's criticism of their work, they need to pick themselves up, and go out there and give it their best, just like men have to do routinely, each and every day. If it ends up that someone is not very good at what they do, be it man or a woman, then they should move onto something else where they might be more successful. It's part of life.

[DaDrunkenJester]

My wife has gotten her fair share of mean comments thrown at her because of her sex, also far more sexual comments and messages asking to "snuggle struggle". While I get shit talked on, it's never about my sex, it's about I screwed up. While when a girl screws up it's because she is a girl and shouldn't be playing big boy games. I have seen it first hand playing with my wife.

And as far as the construction scene, plumbers and electricians is a much easier field for women compared to carpentry and mason work. We are primarily carpentry specializing in site and structural concrete and the only time we hire women is if the government funded jobs force us to. When you're out there driving steel stakes all day with a 10lb sledgehammer, the girls typically can't keep up. They also demand more breaks. We had 3 girls quit in one week. But, you're correct about how they get treated in this field. We had to ensure that our guys didn't heckle her for any reason, even if itnwas joshing about them being too slow like you would with a guy.

But that's field work. In the offices women are easily treated equal and do fantastic jobs. I work with a female estimator and she is amazing. I just think construction field work is just one of those things that will always be dominated by males because of the physical requirements the job entails.

[jwillj2k4]

“Every is woman I know takes it up the ass, she should just take it up the ass dur dur dur”
“Every man I know takes it down the throat, he should just take it down the throat dur dur dur”

This is what you sound like.

[Mulletino]

She should’ve just gone out there and kicked some A instead of quitting.

[Rimeskeem]

One day humans wont be dicks..... that will never happen actually

[MrGameAndWatch]

"unforeseen reactions" Not really.. Every time a new player joins a team, a part of the com applauses while the other part complains. Since legal stuff requires to deal with real people, there is no reason she wasn't real. Lot of skilled people are not known.

[inxine]

my cousin is a pretty good overwatch player. the second she turned her mic on to talk to me, guys literally called her awful stuff and harassed her. its sickening, cause god forbit a girl is good at videogames.

[Kombatologist]

I've seen so many males throw a conniption fit after losing to a female. It's called fragile masculinity.

[inxine]

yea its bad. not everyone is like that of course, but id say a big chunk of the male playersb on competitive games are just knobheads

[Inzo]

"fragile masculinity."? And yet they continue to play, this women quit because someone was mean to her. Thats called being a girl.

[Kombatologist]

@Inzo

"And yet they continue to play..." So what exactly are you whining about? That they continue to play despite all the assholes they have to deal with, or that they sometimes quit because of all the assholes they have to deal with? You didn't think this through, did you?

Here's an example of fragile masculinity: https://video.twimg.com/ext...
And another (directed at the same person above): https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

For what it's worth, this gal absolutely drags guys like this, but she deals with this sort of thing all the time. Why should she or anyone else have to put up with someone's blatant insecurities? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who defends behavior like this and/or doesn't understand why anyone would take offense to it is simply a dolt.

[Inzo]

I dont need to think this through, I know girls online who give it as good as they receive it yet they dont whine about it but this lady has a platform to play the victim so naturally she will use it. Damn the only thing worse than a beta male is a feminist beta male.

[Kombatologist]

@Inzo

"I know girls online who give it as good as they receive it yet they dont whine about it"

And?

"but this lady has a platform to play the victim so naturally she will use it."

How is she "naturally" playing the victim? She wasn't the one making a big deal about joining the team, nor the one making a big deal about quitting the team. It's all you fragile males.

"Damn the only thing worse than a beta male is a feminist beta male."

The only thing worse than a dolt is a dolt who thinks not being shitty to people makes you either.

[The7Reaper]

The Overwatch community is more toxic than the CoD and GTA communities combined so this isn't surprising.

[kneon]

Most of the complaints I see about toxicity in Overwatch come from players on PC, on PS4 I hear very little toxicity. And I often end up playing comp with women and have never heard anyone harass them in the voice chat.

[The7Reaper]

Most Ps4 communities are pretty chill (mostly because no one uses mics in game anymore and only in party chat) the majority of toxicity is on PC and I imagine most of the PC players look like that one dude on that World of Warcraft episode of South Park anyway.

[CodeNameTBW2]

pfff.....slow news day

[Samus707]

It’s not this girl’s fault but feminists are invaders/colonizers who wreck everything that men love (see:Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Battlefield 5, etc); all these men are doing is protecting themselves from this destructive force with “extreme vetting” to ensure women are gamers first and not political activists in disguise. Women are going to have to deal with this vetting if they want in but don’t blame the gamers, blame the feminists.

[william_cade]

People are assholes for the most part. Maybe she will find a better game with a better community.

[Tankbusta40]

Oh nos my life is forever changed because someone quit a fake sports team!!!

[Dizzy11523]

She's a phony and everyone knows it.

[kevnb]

Dont step down, prove them wrong! Unless of course they were right and shes a fake...

[mopground]

https://clips.twitch.tv/Aff...

[X-23]

Since when has playing games been considered a masculine thing to do?
Guess it had to be once outside influencer's became representativeness of what gaming culture is.
Look, if the idea of a woman knowing how to play video games as good as someone else is cause enough for you to try and get a rise out of it or her, then I dunno ... simply put you're a moron.

[Kostche]

men get harrassed by other men every other day in video games, yet none bat an eye, soon as its female everyone loses there minds, get grip

[Kainbrightside]

The world is doomed you got one side screaming sjw another side screaming harrassment and all the flawed logic of both arguments culminating in a cultural divide I've dated girls that loved to play games I've had male friends who could not care less about them whether it's male or female it's not that serious it's literally a game.

[FlameWater]

So is she faking or not?

[Gwiz]

" single player games are dead " while " Online games consists of sexist toxic people "
" Gamers are dead "

Well a particular ideology(would any?) is not making much sense here,aside of course from the ¥€$.
It's no wonder why certain journalists are bad gamers,their rules would never be able to sustain a game.

[mopground]

People were skeptical because when "ellie" streamed she talked like she wasn't playing the game. Turns out the skeptical people were most likely right https://clips.twitch.tv/Aff... Perhaps these "journalists" should actually do some investigating before publishing.

[Pro_TactX]

Fake news. Ellie wasn’t the player. It was a male player and she was the voice on the mic.