How Much Should Project Scorpio Cost?

With Project Scorpio's hardware now public knowledge, we take a look at what the console's offering and try to gauge how much Microsoft's next Xbox system should cost.

[Nyxus]

I would say 500 at the most.

[mikeslemonade]

Should and will cost $400. It's on the same timeline curve with PS4 Pro. Considering it's a year later but twice the power. The like price for the gpu at the time the PS4 pro came out was $250. The like price for the Scorpio's GPU I can buy used for $250. And by the time it comes out in 6 months it's gonna be right at that $250 mark.

[DragonDDark]

Lol no

[alb1899]

You are wrong in so many levels.....

[conanlifts]

You will need a 1070 to keep up with scorpio on pc. Pretty sure that is more than $250.
Scorpio will likely be priced at $499, which will be a bargain for the tech inside.

[JOHN_DOH]

Isn't just a polaris chip with a jaguar cpu? They just overclocked the shitt out of it. (free performance) If they had to use a vapor chamber cooler than it must get pretty hot. They should make it easy to clean the dust or put some removable dust filters on it. They probably had use to a good quality power supply(high efficiency=less heat) which would add to the cost.

[Captain_Tom]

Twice?!

Not even 50% stronger. It's 46% stronger, and it doesn't have games.

I agree it can't cost more than $399. If they were serious it would cost $349.

[Aenea]

Twice the power? LOL

[badz149]

twice the power? LOL that right there is a Xbox fanboys wet dream

[mikeslemonade]

Going by teraflops it is twice the speed in regards the gpu. And 980ti would be $250 used right now. It's only not $250 because nvidia doesn't drop the price when they retire the card. The 1070 is actually a bit stronger.

Actually I will admit for once I'm around. It's 6 teraflops vs 4.2 teraflops for ps pro. However that strengthens my argument. If ps pro is 60% stronger than itself that would be within range of a 980ti power. And as I said before the 980ti can be had for $300 now and $250 when it comes out.

[mikeslemonade]

Can't wait for the official price to say I told you so. I'm gonna post every single comment that I said it was gonna be $400. It's just real simple.

PS4 Pro $400. GPU is 4.2 Tera flops. GTX970 at 4 Teraflops was $250 when the pro launched.

Scorpio will be $400. The scorpio's gpu is 6 Teraflops. The gtx 980ti with 6.1 Teraflops right now can be had for around $300 the only reason it may be more expensive is because NVidia doesn't make their cards cheaper when they retire them. Hence the 970 wasn't retired yet when Pro came out. Fast forward 6 months later that would make the gtx 980ti in line with the $250 value.

[andrewsquall]

@mikeslemonade Exactly. They WILL take the hit on it. I agree 100%. But don't worry mate, wait for all the Xbots to say "haha yous all thought it was going to be 700" when we are saying right here and now it WILL be 399.99. They simply cannot afford to make it any more expensive.

Oh and screw that "no games" and "PS4 has all the games" crap too. The fact of the matter I always say about Xbox is, the games it has simply are not good enough to purchase one. Don't care for Halo, Forza or Gears. Recore, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break are certainly not reasons to buy one either, even if they ran at 8K resolution.
The Xbone was always an underwhelming console in specs and capabilities this gen, another reason to avoid. Unfortunately, this will still be the thing holding back Scorpio too. The customers already know who they are. After all, they bought an underpowered ddr3 console 4 years ago for €500 with a camera that was leeching an additional 10% of the console's already meager capabilities.
If they bought that, they will buy ANYTHING with the Microsoft name on it (except the Zune lol).

399.99, after THAT spec reveal, you heard it here and now.

[conanlifts]

I wasn't clear with my response. On paper then yes you are correct regarding your 980ti comments. What i meant was that due to console efficiencies, better optimisation etc you would need a 1070 on a pc to compete with scorpio.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Why do people keep saying $399 or $400? I know everyone posting in this thread has seen the Digital Foundry video and the guy clearly states "This console will cost more than PS4 Pro."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
"Project Scorpio is aimed at a very different user to prospective Xbox One S owners, making this coverage potentially less impactful to sales of the existing device. These days, Xbox One has skewed towards value, while Scorpio will be a piece of hardware with a premium price-point. My sense is that the price differential will be fairly wide and that there'll be less crossover in the audience than there is with PS4 and Pro."

[mikeslemonade]

^
That Xbox wouldn't be really a console. It would fall in line with those steam boxes and small form factor PCs specifically for gaming. It can't be the expensive in order to sell million +.

I looked at comparable hardware prices. The CPU is $120, gpu is $250, ram is $70, hdd is $30. But Microsoft can condense everything down to $500 cost with everything. Basically it's CPU and gpu that is most of the cost.

PS Pro is the same price and same power given the timeline factor. It came out earlier but weaker, scorpio comes out later by one year but stronger. It's the same cost as components go down. PS Pro gpu is actually slightly more impressive if you look at the timeline element.

[Prince_TFK]

Even if the price for the Scorpio used gpu cost $250 you still have to factor in other components such as cpu, controller, ram, hard drive, and other manufacturering costs. It is ignorant to compare a total package to just one gpu (a used one that is, and not even strong as Scorpio's gpu).

[Bigpappy]

When I thought they were going to use the latest AMD chips, I was thinking $600 min. Now that I see the magic in what they were able to do by modifying existing chip sets, I think they can now offer it between $400-$500. This is an amazing accomplishment, and I like it better than what I thought they were going to offer. Gives all of this power while using less power. Very, very efficient and should translate to a surprisingly small form factor.

[Captain_Tom]

I mean we knew the specs a year ago. Nothing has changed. It was always going to cost $399.

[Bigpappy]

You are the only one who looked at those pecs and knew it was going to cost $399. You are my hero. Even now with everyone, except you of course, knowing the actual components, they are still saying it will be no less than $500. Not even DF still aren't saying $399. They should have spoken to you last year and would have to go through all the trouble of having a reveal telling the world Scorpio can do way more than its specs suggest.

[Nu]

$300 would definitely help it close that massive gap against the PS4.

[Aenea]

If they really want to close that gap they should give them away for free!

300 is not gonna happen, way too low.

[xfiles2099]

If it is going to cost 500 then I must say it is not much of a premium product like they claim. 500 is not a premium price tag

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

At the most? 500 is the best case scenario!

[Gazondaily]

5 rupees

[tyasia0]

As much as Phil begs Zelda is not going to be on Microsoft consoles.

(yes I know that is also the currency in India)

[TheColbertinator]

For 5 rupees I'd rather buy a goat and a couple of my favorite Aamir Khan DVDs

[Nu]

Dude I'd make a cheese factory and mass produce quesadillas with your logic /s

[Eonjay]

Lol

[vikingland1]

I was thinking 400-500 Gil.

[Nu]

Every Rupee is the equivalent of $100 so 5 rupees = $500. Sounds legit to me.

[Zool 08]

A couple of goats and chicken, naa too much.

[seanpitt23]

It will be $499 and Microsoft will be taking a little loss on that price.

[TFJWM]

Then they would sell it for $549 there is no way they are going to take a loss on each system. Anyone who would buy it for 500 would pay the extra 50...

[mikeslemonade]

$500 is break even. You console gamers don't know hardware.

[vegasgamerdawg]

Except MS has sold every console at a loss or with no profit. Look stuff up.

[TFJWM]

@mikeslemonade You have no idea what their break even is...And I am a PC gamer...I have a 4k gaming rig, my living room media computer is stronger than xbox one or the ps4...(edit:I just consider myself a gamer not PC or console, thou I game more on PC than anything else)

@vegasgamerdawg maybe before the xbox one that was true but both Sony and MS made a small profit on each system this gen. So ya you need to look stuff up...

[mikeslemonade]

TF

Likely my gpu is better than yours. Technically a vanilla 980 can play 4k.

980ti is 6.1 teraflops and the Scorpio is 6 teraflops. 980ti is worth $250 now probably to produce. That leaves you off with $250 for everything else which sounds about right. That processor probably in the $150 range. And then everything else can be had for $100. Yea it is break even. And fast forward 6 months it's for certain break even. If I'm even close now what do you think 6 months will do??

[TFJWM]

@mikeslemonade Once again you are just guessing at their cost of production. My point was that they wont sell it for a loss so if its break even is just $10 more than the $500 you figure then they will jump the price to $550.

"Likely my gpu is better than yours. Technically a vanilla 980 can play 4k."

I just built this one last black friday maybe you can let me know if its any good since I am just a console gamer...
i7-6700k, 1080, Z170A, 32 DDR4 3000

I can pop in another 1080 I guess just seems like alittle overkill atm

[Tko1111]

$199 xb1 500gb /$249 xb1 s 1tb/ $399 Xbox 1 BM(beast mode) 1tb

[tyasia0]

Yeah, that's a good name they should call it "The Xbox BM".

[GuruStarr78]

$400.

Any more than that would make it DOA.

[Brettman2008]

Agree with U.S. $400. That is the sweet spot. PS4, PS4 Pro and Psvr all launched at that price.

[seanpitt23]

Yeah it's got very expensive parts compared to the pro and it's alot more expensive to manufacture, it's a bigger GPU and more gddr5 memory and it's got a expensive cooling system than the pro and even a 4K blueray player.

Sony couldn't afford to put the 4K blueray player in the pro for it to come in at the sweet spot of $399 and they make the blueray so it would be even cheaper for Sony but they couldn't do it, and you guys are saying it's going to the $399 for the Scorpio gets some common sense people.

It's going to be a minimum of $499 priced for adults who wants that extra power and if you think it's to expensive they will just say they have the xone one at $249 as a entry point for our gaming experience.

Even Phil Spencer said they don't expect it to sell aswell as the xbox one I think this tells you its going to be expensive,the only reason this will not sell is due to the cost which alot of people will want it but can't afford it.

[DFresh]

Max $450-$500.

[Trekster_Gamer]

450 or less...
500 with a much larger HDD

[PCgamer98]

No way it's going to be 400. It's probably 500 to 600 at best, 700 is suicide.

[XXanderXX]

500 hundred if anything , but it all depends on those in charge.
Am ready no matter the price set

[sk8ofmnd]

400 to make sony go... fnccckkkk.

Sony is my fav but they do their best work when the competition is succeeding or winning. But it will most likely be 499

[rigo8582]

If they can manage a $400 I personally think that is not only good for Xbox fans, but Sony fans as well. Regardless what platform you prefer, competition is good for everyone. It makes the companies step up their game.

There is no doubt in my mind, if the Xbox One was selling better in comparison to the PS4 early in the generation there would be no 360 backwards compatibility on the Xbox One.

[leeeroythe3rd]

400 and it will sell like mad
450 it will grow market
500 and it will be interesting to see what it does. My money is on 500

[alb1899]

It should have at least 2 options the first at 450 and the second at 550. One and two Terra

[Andofaus]

The tech inside scorpio isn't even that expensive. The gpu is basically an RX 480 the CPU is an heavily upgraded jaguar both near the same as the pro, the only cost related parts are the disc dive (same as the "S") and the extra 4 gigs of ram, witch is cheap as chips now. Looking at the hardware the bill of materials is actually not that high. The biggest cost of Scorpio is in r&d for the custom graphics command processor they've built into the GPU witch they can choose to absorb over time.The scorpio's performance comes from very smart optimization and very high clocks not expensive tech. I'm thinking $450 at that price Microsoft will have a very competitive product.

[OG_TK_Cole]

Agreed..

[RegorL]

Chip area costs, and it is not linear...
A RX480 is 232 mm2, using 36 CU, 256 bit memory bus
When making a RX480 and one CU is defective, turn it and a few others off and sell it like a RX470.
I would not be surprised if there are a few extra CUs that are allowed to be faulty and disabled on a RX480 - like 4...

Over time manufacturing improves and chips with fewer and fewer faults are produced!
Often they get better heat margins too...

RX440X "with 40CU is the one that will appear in the next XBox machine" 1 June 2016
https://youtu.be/lQmhdj3AKR...

Lets build a console using a full RX480 clocked at maximum speed...

On the XBox Scorpio chip you have a RX480X and eight Jaguars
(both with modifications to work even better together)
SoC is 360 mm2
GPU using 40 CU @ 1120 MHz (boost 1266 MHz), 384 bit memory bus

So the Scorpio GPU is basically and overclocked RX480 with all CUs enabled. Microsoft bragging about individual adjustments (like overclockers do) for each chip is actually not a good sign, this is expensive.

- bigger chip => expensive (actually smaller than XBox One chip but transistors are A LOT smaller)
- fault free => expensive
- a bigger fault free chip => EXPENSIVE
- a bigger fault free chip running at higher frequency => expensive cooling
- a bigger fault free chip running requiring voltage tuning to run at higher frequency => EXPENSIVE manufacturing

My prediction
All signs points toward a limited release like the XBox One release, only select regions will get them on release day.
Price? Bet they are reading this tread... ideally $399, probably $449, upper limit $499 (and I predict that PS4 will keep a $50 distance - $349, $400, $400) My suspicion is really that MS would want a higher price but might take it and sell at loss...

[UltimateRacer]

$500 would be cool but I think it will be more $600-$700 range.

[Bobafret]

Free, imagine the install base.

[OldGuyStillGaming]

I'll still get one if it's $500 but I'll wait if it's $600-$700 range

[zerocarnage]

If it wasn't for blue ray players being added to consoles, our beloved console would cost alot less. The blue ray player adds a good portion of the cost and personally i never use the damn thing. It is about time they stopped adding it to the console and they bring it out as an add on with just the required port on the console.

I hope that the scorpio will cost as little as possible, here in the UK i reckon there is going to be a 500 pound price tag on it, but i hope I'm wrong and it costs like 350gbp which would be fantastic.

If you was to buy a pc that could match the scorpio your easily looking at around 800gbp or possibly over 1kgbp, deffo over 1kgbp if want to surpass the specs on a scorpio..

[RegorL]

And Microsoft has promised an UHD (4k) Blue-ray player... (Sony were smart not to include it)

[YEP414]

Everyone go be mad from this site I see!! 600 dollars to 700 dollars.. I just don't see a 4K system priced between 400 and 500...

[TheDivine]

Any more than 400 and its dead. Ps Pro is 400 with a much bigger library. Right now there's Nier, Persona 5, Nioh, Horizon, Yakuza, Gravity Rush 2, and a dozen others dropping this year.

Fable, Alan Wake, Lost Odyssey, Quantum Break, Recore, and a few new ips need to be announced for me to buy anything from their ass. Also where is Vesperia, Resonance of Fate, and Nier for BC?

[MrEnglish]

That's great and all and those games are awesome but..... The games you list are not the reason a platform sells well. The casuals and such will want to play the CoD games at the highest possible settings.

Don't get me wrong, $400 would be amazing but logistically it won't happen

[Captain_Tom]

$399. Otherwise it's DOA. Period.

PS4 Pro will drop to $349 this fall. It can't cost much more considering it has no games on it...

[N4Geeing]

Price it at 500 it will flop, game industry should learn that by now, majority of consumer will pay no more than 300 for a game console.

[Artemidorus]

499-599 depending on bundle. 600+ is too high.

[Hedstrom]

I think it will cost 600$, this console isnt for the masses. The Scorpio will be for the console players who wants the best and are willing to pay for it.

[sk8ofmnd]

Exactly! And when it doesnt sell at 5 or 600 that price will come down so fast the vanilla ps4 and scorpio will be the same price rofl

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Probably $500 to $600 .. According to specs it could be $800

[MasterCornholio]

It's not like it's using amazing bee technology so Microsoft can sell it for 399$ if they wish. I honestly don't see the price going lower than that.

[raymantalk1]

$20 at the most lol.

[andrewsquall]

399.99, easily.

[Armyntt]

As I think about it, I think it's going to be $499 with a year of game pass included.

[sk8ofmnd]

Exactly! And when it doesnt sell at 5 or 600 that price will come down so fast the vanilla ps4 and scorpio will be the same price rofl 😂

Just like the og xb1. It started 4-500 and now you can find them 175-250... Ms are the kia's and vizio of the gaming world... Dont hold value too long 😋

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I've had a Vizio Razor 23" 1080p LED HDTV for 4 years now and it's served me quite well :3