Xbox Scorpio vs PS4 Neo specs comparison: What's the difference?

It's the Xbox 2 (Scorpio) vs PS4 Neo – how do the rumoured specs and performance compare?

"It looks like we’re going to have two half-generation upgrades for the PS4 and Xbox One coming in the next 18 months, with both the PS4 “Neo” (or PS4.5) and Xbox Project Scorpio confirmed."By Michael Passingham

[ShadowKnight]

He said "By the time these consoles come to market, they’ll represent the equivalent of year-old, upper-mid-range gaming PCs in terms of performance. With today’s graphics cards only just able to start tackling 4K and VR effectively, this might leave you concerned."

He's definitely right about that lol. The 1080ti is already rumored to release this fall. This will be the first graphic card that is truly designed for 4K and will give you 4k 60fps in ultra settings.

[lelo2play]

I don't think Microsoft will commit the same mistake twice in a row. They will release Scorpio at the same price as Neo.

[GameNameFame]

Point is bit moot on Scorpio side. You can play all the Xbox games on PC.

You can get PC at Scorpio spec and play all its games. and dont have be hindered that devs used it for 4k or stuff.

you optimize your own setting.

[UltimateMaster]

The PS4 Neo does not have a confirmed price, nor release date, nor any confirmed specs.
They're still rumors at this point.

I'll tell you this much. 6Tflops may not be enough to run all games max settings in 60fps. In fact, it won't. Expect a 30 to 40fps depending on the games.

The Xbox One can't reach 1080p on most of it's games let alone 60fps in 4k. 4.5x may bring it to 4k... but not 60fps as well.
PCs today can't do 60fps 4k on Crysis 3 even with 10Tflops GTX 1080, a game from 2013.

Releasing a new console 4 years after the last one is way too soon.
But Microsoft is hurting sales-wise so they want to upgrade early.

Everyone knew Microsoft would have done this after loosing since they did it when they were loosing to the PS2. They officially announced it 18 months in advance in a desperate attempt at "dethroning" the most powerful console on the market which is the PS4.

[MyDietEqualsGames]

If speculation is correct, Sony will have a head start and the initiative pricing advantage. Locking people in within the PS ecosystem by releasing tons of games between now and by the time Scorpio lands could slow down it's momentum. Keep in mind 6TF SoC would still be pricey, which is why it's so far away from release; Scorpio.

Few days after E3, I honestly think Microsoft announced this prematurely, to generate buzz till the console drops and or to divert attention from PS4 to the Xbox. It kind of backfired as there really isn't a reason to buy a Bone S, with Scorpio's existence being confirmed, unless you're already tethered to the brand with a library.

Microsoft is going for a 3 pronged attack here, an attack against a price cut of the standard PS4 while hitting up the UHD market simultaneously with the bone S, Scorpio seems to exist to capture individuals who have an interest in going PC, while also holding off the negatives the media would have them endure against a more powerful PS4; Neo.

The thing is.. will it work? or will the tide continue to crash against MS, no matter what they throw at it?
I wish I had a time machine. I'm excited.

[freshslicepizza]

@GameNameFame
"Point is bit moot on Scorpio side. You can play all the Xbox games on PC."

meaning more options is bad?

"You can get PC at Scorpio spec and play all its games. and dont have be hindered that devs used it for 4k or stuff."

so what you are saying is the games on neo will be even more gimped because it will be less powerful and restricted to just neo.

"you optimize your own setting."

what are the settings being offered on neo and are you going to buy neo just for its exclusives since you will obviously be playing all your other games on your powerful pc and your 120" projection screen?

[cleft5]

At this point, with the exclusives for Mircosoft all being released on PC the Scorpio is just another Steam Box. Or should I say Windows 10 Box. If all of their exclusive games are on PC, why would an informed consumer not just upgrade their PC? The PS4 Neo will allow users to play enhanced PS4 games so thats nice if that is important to you.

[GameNameFame]

@moldybread

Did I said it was bad? I just said for a lot of gamers, you can just play Xbox games on PC and hence dont need Scorpio cause they have PC that beats Scorpio and play ALL future xbox games.

Neo spec isnt even official. Lol. and I thought that tflop dont mean anything when we compared Xbox One vs PS4. Now it means something? I love how xbox fans flip flop to fit their desperate tune. Either way, it doesnt matter on Neo. cause you CANT play PS4 games on PC. Where as you can for Xbox.

"what are the settings being offered on neo"

Except I was comparing against PC and how Scorpio is not needed cause all its game are on PC. I love how you dodge the point cause you cant answer to it.

"are you going to buy neo just for its exclusives?

I already purchased PS4 for its exclusives. I may buy Neo too. I also already play many games on PC as well as PS4. Now I will be enjoy Xbox games as well without owning Xbox. As many many other people stated, it literally removed their reason for ever owning Xbox.

I love how you desperately try to dodge this. ahahha

[freshslicepizza]

@GameNameFame
"Did I said it was bad? I just said for a lot of gamers, you can just play Xbox games on PC and hence dont need Scorpio cause they have PC that beats Scorpio and play ALL future xbox games."

you keep saying its moot when you have no idea about the price and what games are on the pc that won't be on scorpio. i think you tend to forget the pc does not get all games on the xbox regardless of microsoft's games. destiny for example is not on the pc. what you are essentially saying is the xbox is redundant because the ps4 is there which is what you are really all about. you want this to become ps4/pc combo and eliminate the need for xbox. that's your whole agenda here.

"Neo spec isnt even official. Lol. and I thought that tflop dont mean anything when we compared Xbox One vs PS4. Now it means something? I love how xbox fans flip flop to fit their desperate tune. Either way, it doesnt matter on Neo. cause you CANT play PS4 games on PC. Where as you can for Xbox."

and again we see your agenda here. the xbox scorpio still serves a purpose for those who dont want a ps4 and pc combo which will likely be a lot less to buy than a ps4 neo and pc.

"Except I was comparing against PC and how Scorpio is not needed cause all its game are on PC. I love how you dodge the point cause you cant answer to it."

the only point you keep advertising here is you don't like the xbox brand and think everyone should follow your lead and buy a windows 10 pc and a ps4 neo instead of project scorpio.

"I already purchased PS4 for its exclusives. I may buy Neo too. I also already play many games on PC as well as PS4. Now I will be enjoy Xbox games as well without owning Xbox. As many many other people stated, it literally removed their reason for ever owning Xbox."

you forgot to add the aterix 'for you'. not everyone is going to buy a comparable pc that does 4k gaming and then on top of that a ps4 neo only for its exclusives just to remove the need to buy an xbox because microsoft is now making xbox a windows platform for them.

"I love how you desperately try to dodge this. ahahha"

right, and i love how you guys create stories that you now have 120" 4k projection screens and high end pc's that do 4k gaming and a ps4 only for exclusives and will now buy a ps4 neo also just for its exclusives. all just for the sake of telling everyone how microsoft now doesn't have true exclusives anymore.

http://www.videogamer.com/n...

"So here's a great opportunity to have them stay within our ecosystem."

too late sony, you are losing even your most loyal supporters and now your systems are only good for exclusives! sony forgets their fans will spend whatever amount it takes to remove the need for an xbox!!!

[GameNameFame]

@moldybread

"destiny for example is not on the pc. "

LOL. I love this straw man argument. Are you saying Xbox One still retains same value because it still has like 2 % of exclusives left? While 98 % of exclusives went to PC?

Try harder.

"and again we see your agenda here. the xbox scorpio still serves a purpose for those who dont want a ps4 and pc combo which will likely be a lot less to buy than a ps4 neo and pc. "

Lol. This is funny. You are saying Xbox One is attractive.

1. If gamer dont already have PC.
2. Will never consider PC.
3. if PS4 Neo is considerably more expensive( which you have no basis to assume)
4. If gamers dont find PS4 exclusives attractive.

Look how narrow that segment gets. Lawl. I didnt say every single gamer wont find it useful. I said "many".

But you actually proved my point. Even by your own assumption "many" will find Xbox useless. Actually, based on your own statemet "most" will find it useless.

lololol. I do love the desperate straman argument. "look. Xbox retains same value! even though it lost all its exclusive cause it still has Destiny"

ahahahahahah. Thanks for the comedy.

[PistolsAtDawn]

@GameNameFame ...please stop with that stupid short-sighted argument. It's simply not true at all, stop acting like some expert when you clearly have no idea what is going on. If being able to play games on PC would stop people playing games on console...EVERY SINGLE MULIT-PLAT would sell best on PC, as it is...NO Multi-plat comes even close to making that claim. Not only that, Scorpio will even further close that gap. The stronger the consoles get, the higher the quality they put out...and it's almost at the point that the naked eye can't even tell the difference anymore. That being said, if Scorpio releases at $500 (which seems to be the consistent rumor, and seems logical...although if it releases in a year it may be cheaper)...you'd have a really hard time building a PC that would make it worthwhile. All said and done, you'd spend more building the PC that would be able to provide the same output (keep in mind consoles have a much better output per power ratio). If the whole PC thing stopped people from playing console games on X1, it would on PS4 too...there aren't enough PS exclusives that would make it worth while if that was the case. If nothing else, Scorpio is also the cheapest option to get into native use of the Rift/Vive/HoloLens (and apparently other VR devices). Please stop with your fanboy delusions..they just look insecure and ridiculous.

Sure, there will be some people that won't get a scorpio and will play on PC instead...but more than likely those are people that just refuse to buy MS products...cause of Bias....however, with Play Anywhere...it seems more likely that it would ATTRACT PC gamers without bias to get an Xbox as well than convince them not to.

[chuckyj1]

MS pretty much can't release for less if the spec difference is true. However, this time it will be justified, because Scorpio will actually be more powerful (If Specs are correct for both systems).... Unlike the X1 launching at a higher price point, while being less powerful than the PS4. That made no sense at all and hurt MS. MS's only justification of the X1's higher price point was well... it comes with Kinect lol.... MS wont make that mistake again that's for sure.

[its_JEFF]

@UltimateMaster That's why I'm a bit confused as to why rendering their games at 4K is so important! Is having a game at 4K 30fps better than having it 1080P 60fps? This seems to be a sacrifice these console makers are willing to make.

[Budrazor]

The fanboys hoping they do but I doubt it. That hurt their sales a little before, but yeah it will be the same price as the other console.

[GameNameFame]

@PistolsAtDawn

"If being able to play games on PC would stop people playing games on console.."

what a bullshit statement. I love how Xbox fans who cant dispute fact change what was previously said. Many gamers preferred console and purchased console over PC because of games. Yes, many gamers go where "games are". Meaning they already purchased into X1 or PS4 and purchased through there.

That is the WHOLE POINT OF THE CONSOLE. You lure them in with low price hardware and exclusives, and once consumer is in their ecosystem, Sony and MS gets cut on ALL third party content.

I dont think you even understand how console market operates. Hardware nets very little in profit. It is all about getting a cut on revenue. It just goes to show how clueless you are. What does multiplatform sales have anything to do with that? Huh? It is not even related topic.

"NO Multi-plat comes even close to making that claim"
Looks at blizzard games. Freaking 12 million sales on Diablo 3. That should shut you up good on a topic that isnt even related.

"it's almost at the point that the naked eye can't even tell the difference anymore. "
Looll what? Whats the point of getting 4K? Do you think you can maintain high graphics setting at 4K? or 60 fps?

This just shows you are again, clueless. It is also obvious, you dont get to play games like Uncharted 4. Just because graphics lacking on Xbox One side, doesnt mean you cant have better graphics... Lol. THis is just hilarious.

"if Scorpio releases at $500"

With R 480 inbound, you can build pretty strong computer for $400. That is NOW. You do realize if trends follows Moores law, You should be able to crush Scorpio spec at same price by end of next year.

I love how you kept dodging these point. Xbox One and Scorpio without exclusive is SMALLER MARKET. Cause you are looking for gamers who:

1. If gamer dont already have PC.
2. Will never consider PC.
3. if PS4 Neo is considerably more expensive( which you have no basis to assume)
4. If gamers dont find PS4 exclusives attractive.

That is such a smaller market compared to what it was.

Keep dodging this man.

[Edito]

They already made the mistake... by the time they release the Scorpio they will be playing catch game with PS4 and NEO.

What i think they should have done is invest more money and time creating studios and better games for they ecosystem because no matter how powerful the hardware is Microsoft games will still be crap... Sony won countless times because they know gamers and the gaming industry like no other... Microsoft should be worried making games...

[Unspoken]

Concerned about what? That we'll have the power of a 390X/980Ti in the size of a console as opposed to the 7790/7850 released the previous gen all while not having to pay the exorbitant pricing of $700+ for the graphics card alone? Yeah OK.

[ARESWARLORD]

Dude the Xbox Scorpio is going to be almost as powerful as the 600-plus Canadian dollar GTX 1070 more powerful than $1,000 980ti or at the very least almost as powerfull. That's insane for a console absolutely mind-blowing insane

[nitus10]

The problem you have with Microsoft's console Scorpio it is over a year away from release. The graphics card GTX1070 is actually available now and like you said it is around the CAD$600 (USD$465) mark although that is just a graphic card and you aren't taking into account power supply, motherboard, CPU and possible memory.although that may be part of the GPU (ie. GDR5) In addition, you also have to look at the cost of a three layer BluRay player (forgot about that did you) if the machine is to be touted as a media centre.

If the Scorpio launches as a media streaming device, as in digital download only it will have just closed the door on millions of prospective buyers. Sure Microsoft could offer the player as an add-on but we all know what happens to add-ons.

So far there is no price for the Scorpio although I would be very surprised if will be under US$600 and that is assuming a price reduction on all OEM components in a years time. Of course, Microsoft may be willing to take a loss on sales in the hopes of making money in software sales.

[sonarus]

500 is more likely for the pricing

[Trekster_Gamer]

MS learns from past issues, I seriously doubt it will cost more than the Neo. We don't even know what the neo is!

For Something supposedly launching later this year they are tight lipped about it!

At least MS let everyone know especially developers kind of what to expect!!

Bring on the Scorpio, let the beast loose!

[Maxor]

There's no way the 1080 Ti can hit 4K 60 FPS, more than likely it'll be the first 4K "playable" card with 45 FPS in 4K.

On the PC the standards are different than the console. With the console, hitting 30 fps @ 1080p makes your hardware a 1080p console. On the PC not being able to hit 60 FPS makes your hardware a 1080p incapable machine. Most PC benchmarkers considers 30 FPS as unplayable, and 45 fps is not fast enough by PC standards to be considers as 4K capable. It's all about 60+ FPS or bust on the PC.

[starchild]

I personally don't really see things that way. Mainly because I have a Gsync monitor and anything over about 35fps feels pretty smooth. 45fps on a Gsync monitor feels much like 60fps on a non-Gsync monitor, due to the much lower input lag and the way the frames are delivered and displayed.

For me even the GTX 1080 would be a respectable 4k card. Hell, even my current GTX 970 allows me to downsample from 4k on my 1440p display in quite a few games and still maintain acceptable framerates.

I think every enthusiast PC gamer should have a variable refresh rate display. It has represented by far the most dramatic improvement to my gaming of any piece of hardware I've bought.

[Ysmir6723]

My sli 1080s hit 4k and at least 90 fps in all games.A single one,at 4k nightmare settings at doom,averages about 72-73.I expect the 1080ti to perform about 20-25 fps better,so it will easily do 4k-60fps on all pc games.

[nitus10]

For any HDMI device to support 4k resolution at 60 fps it must have HDMI 2.0, 2.0a or 2.1. This is fine if your 4k TV or monitor supports this but if it doesn't then you are really up for the cost of a 4k TV and/or monitor that supports the HDMI 2.0/a/1 standard.

Don't believe me well maybe the following URL may help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... (look at the HDMI table with respect to "4K resolution at 60 Hz").

A display device's refresh rate is in Hertz (Hz) while a graphics cards output is in frames per second (fps). As a rule of thumb (ie not 100% exact) if you want to display up to 60 fps to a display device it must have a refresh rate of 60Hz.or higher, however, a problem occurs when the input does not support the particular resolution and frame rate. (see my URL for more concise information).

Without confusing all the readers many PC gamers don't really understand some of the basics (It does get allot more complicated) of selecting a good monitor. Purchasing a 4k monitor at what you think is a good price may not be the optimal solution. For gaming, you need to consider the monitors refresh rate (Hz) and the higher the better, it's resolution and what inputs it supports. There are more but let's not go down that path.

[Nathan_Hale53]

The 1080 already runs most games at 4k @ 40-45fps. I feel like the 1080ti will be 60fps.

[Pixelart]

Suddenly fanboys care about 4k, power, and upgrades don't matter. LOL. This website.. i swear. Fanboys just love compromising what their principles.

[Mithan]

Don't waste your time. Most people here seem to think that a "upper graphics card" is acceptable for 4k/60fps play.

It isn't, as anybody with a PC knows.

[Nathan_Hale53]

People do not understand.

[Nathan_Hale53]

I have been trying to say this my past few comments. People, do not be surprised if most 4k games will only run at 30fps or be indie games. A GTX 1070 at 4k never meets 60fps in most larger games these past 2-3 years and that is around 6.5 TFlops, so I am giving it a bit more of an edge since consoles get better optimizations and my guess is it'll run around a 1070, although I feel like the CPU will bottleneck a bit since they cannot have a processor at a too high of a clock-speed without it getting ridiculously hot. This is also a console that is coming out next year so it'll be behind a bit compared to a PC spec.

[Yetter]

Its a 6TFLOPs console. Devs will be able to harness more of that power than they can with a PC. Go and try to play Rise of TombRaider or Quantum break on a PC with a 1.3 TFLOPs card like the XB1 GPU is now. Its not gonna run

[Nathan_Hale53]

Sure you can, my friend's budget PC I built for him around $450 uses a GTX 750ti and playing that game at custom settings that look similar to Xbox One @ 1080p runs at 30-45 fps. The 750ti is 1.3 Tflops roughly, although his is one of the best models of it being the EVGA one having a good OC.

[Gaming_Cousin]

Spec comparisons without actual details of specs..smh

[seanpitt23]

Can we do these spec comparisons when Sony tells us what hardware they have in their machine and we don't even know the full specs of Scorpio yet. These are a waste of time unless we know the hard confirmed facts

[marquisray]

The ps4.5 was or is suppose to ready to ship but when Microsoft announced a few specs sony pulled theres lol again sony trying to out do the xbox but the the funny thing is microsoft didnt show or really talk about there system so sony got scared and pulled it. So if sony is going to compete they are going to have to make a system from scratch and i bet it wont be so cheap this time around. Boy its about to get good now lol

[Gaming_Cousin]

@seanpitt23

So I have a similar comment to yours in meaning and I get 2 agree and 4 disagrees. You get 5 agrees and 0 disagrees. N4G logic

[dragonopt1]

Exactly, all these people going off rumored specs is worthless. We have MS now let's wait for Sony to actually confirm something. I've heard from other sites, Sony will release two consoles.....The most powerful model should release with a whopping $599 launch next year (the same price was tipped for Scorpio as well) and would support two GPUs for a 5.5 teraflops output, about 0.5 teraflops less when compared to Project Scorpio, and the same amount of RAM, so they're both really "similar" in terms of performances.

Talking about the GPU, it seems Sony has worked on something special to make those two graphics processors together with a good amount of stuff to be discovered about them. The Japanese platform holder has trademarked a solution allowing to have "dynamic context switching between architecturally distinct graphics processors", meaning what follows. Graphics input is basically produced in an architecture-neutral format; that format is, at a later stage, translated into a format which is specific to one GPU or another.

So who really knows....

[OB1Biker]

@marquisray
'microsoft didnt show or really talk about there system so sony got scared and pulled it. '
Weird logic.
Also if a console released like one year before the other then the specs dont really matter as much as if they were released at the same time.

[nitus10]

@Gaming_Cousin

From what I can see you actually got around the same number of agrees but I do think "seanpitt23" went into more detail, but IMHO both of you are correct.

[Gaming_Cousin]

@nitus10

Yeah if you were here in the beginning you would of seen it like how I mentioned of having 0 agrees and 5 disagrees. Maybe someone hates me

[Deadpooled]

@Gaming_Cousin

Be happy that now the disagree and agree voting is fixed one per account, before the N4G new layout there was a "exploit" where users who spam clicked the voting buttons on smartphones had many votes added and when the user logged out, cleared browsing data and logged back in they could repeat the process.

[2cents]

Yeah, a bit lame imo.

This limbo is annoying though. I hope we don't have to wait too long for official news from Sony.

Xbox have given us more to work with regarding numbers and specs, Sony is the greater mystery.

I really hope we don't have to put up with these lame articles till then.

Hurry up Sony, give us the deets amd save us from these 'journalists'!!!

[nowitzki2004]

lmao thanks, no need to click this junk then

[SaveFerris]

Based on the specs, shouldn't Project Scorpio be considered a 9th gen console?

[Pandamobile]

It is a 9th gen console.

[Fin_The_Human]

Wait so just becuae its a monster of a console with beefed up specs that makes it a 9th gen console? So does that mean the the NX if released with 4 teraflops will be a current gen console along with the Neo.

You people are amazing with the spinning... So now you want the Neo to be compared to the XB1 S because the specs are not on par with the Scorpio.

Also has MS confirmed that the Scorpio is a console? Could be a steam machine for all we know.

[Pandamobile]

Spinning what? I'm not a Microsoft supporter lol. It comes after the Xbox One, which is an 8th gen console, making Scorpio and NX 9th gen consoles.

The whole 'gen' schema is becoming pretty meaningless at this point though.

[BossBattle]

If you feel the Neo and Scorpio are 9th gen consoles that's fine. Both will sell. You better hop onboard.

[BossBattle]

That depends on if you consider the Neo a 9th gen console. The PS4 jumping from 1.84 teraflops to the Neo's 4.2 teraflops is a big jump. Both Scorpio and Neo are upgrading big. Sony doesn't have to even upgrade at all because according to some of you the PSVR works fine on the present PS4 console. Microsoft is the one who has to upgrade because VR won't work on the present Xbox One at all. What's Sony excuse for upgrading?

[Aenea]

So hardware companies only release new consoles just for VR?

That's silly and you know it!

[Goldby]

4k media playback for the playstation vue services.

All midgen upgrades have been for media and hometheatre purposes. The major difference this gen is that ms is pushing mid gen as a pc alternative when sony is pushing it as an afdition to the playstation brand.

[BossBattle]

@Goldby

So Sony is upgrading the PS4 from 1.84 to 4.2 teraflops just for Vue? Ok. Well then MS is upgrading for EA Access and their other apps.

[Sunny_D]

Weren't the consoles that came out for the 8th gen (ps4,one) atleast 10x more powerful than last gen consoles? If the Scorpio is only 4.5x more powerful then I can't really see it as a progression into next gen. I guess we're just getting diminishing returns.

[King_Lothric]

Is no longer a console, is going to be like a Steam machine PC.

[miyamoto]

Yes. MS is doing the Xbox 360 strategy again in hopes of beating the PS5 with a 2 year head start.

[kneon]

There are no more generations, every new upgraded console will be backwards and forwards compatible.

And we'll get the upgrades more frequently, Neo this year, Scorpio next year, PS4.next the following year and so on.

[BLow]

I believe the "generations" have ended. We are now starting something new with consoles. I have more feelings with this especially what MS is trying to do but I'll keep those to myself...

[Goldby]

Scorpio is 9th gen, Neo is mid gen upgrade for the ps4. Vig clear signs were ms apology video at e3 and the facts its known as PROJECT SCORPIO! Projects are always next gen. Mid gen is always media upgrade which the neo and Xbox One S is.

[Dario_DC]

These consoles will go from barely doing 1080p 30fps at medium settings to 4K 30fps at medium settings -_-'
I so would rather 1080p 60fps (or more) at ultra settings with fov sliders and full on AA.
I'm probably alone on this...

[iDadio]

Far from it, 6TF is not enough for native 4K 60fps it would have to be low fps OR upscaled to 4K to hit 60fps.

Not sure where the fanboys are getting the impression this "beast" will be able to play everything with bells and whistles at native 4K, come fall 2017 6TF ain't gunna stand out, the 350 quid 1070 is already 7.1TF

[yomfweeee]

I've been saying the same thing. 6TF is beast right now, but it won't be in 18 months. It also won't be as expensive as everyone keeps saying. Tech prices drop a lot in 18 months.

[Pixelart]

6TF of AMD isn't 6TF of Nvidia either. We'll get more 30fps crap.. this time at 4k

[marquisray]

So where would that leave the ps sony is at the drawing board to compete with Microsoft lol and like i said before there new specs will not be cheap. I here sony fans crying now about price this is what you get when you cant play off of someone else tou actually have to think. If they keep catering to sony fans they will even more money, so just be ready. The games are about to begin

[Goldby]

@pixelart

You make 30fps sound like the balvk plague. 30fps is fine when its stable. Thats the issue this gen, not all games are stable 30fps let alone 60fps

[medman]

You are not alone, and I have a 4k oled and 4k capable av receiver. I prefer full measures, and consoles are not ready for 4k@60fps, so why half ass it? The scorpio will be expensive, and it will still be behind the pc curve when it hits shelves....heck, it could be considered behind the curve right now. 1080@60fps should have been the target standard for this gen, and it still should be. The chips are just not there to allow for a great 4k experience on console for a reasonable price at the moment.

If the Neo and Scorpio become de facto 4k blu ray players, I'm cool with that. But uncompromised 4k gaming may be out of reach for both of them.

[Pixelart]

Fanboys have said it.. 30fps is more cinematic.. they don't want 60fps . Anyone with half a brain cell is doomed to put up with it.

[Gitgud]

@Pixelart this is the fookin problem. These guys would rather have higher res, instead of more frames. Fucking cancerous community.

[Dario_DC]

How's your TV's input lag? I've been looking to buy one but F that input lag! 33ms? 45ms? over a second? The best I've seen is 17ms (expensive TV) and that to me is unacceptable! I'm used to get less than 5ms, it makes a ton of difference on online games.
Don't want to get a small 4K monitor because I think 4K needs 45inch up to make it worth it, so I'm just waiting for a decent priced 4K TV with less than 5ms input lag. I think I'll have to wait a bit lol

[medman]

@dariodc
The measured input lag for my oled television in game mode is around 33ms, which is fine for me because I'm primarily a single player gamer, and I've never notices the lag, but again, I don't really play much multiplayer where it may be more pronounced. I also game on pc monitor, so it's even less of an issue for me most times.

[Software_Lover]

TF count does not tell the entire story of what a system is capable of. But I understand your concern. More than likely, devs will choose to do 1080p/60 with all bells and whistles and then some. The console will upscale to 4k. There will be some 4k games, but Majority will not be. Of course, this is speculation on my part.

[DLConspiracy]

I'm with you on that. I hope they actually allow us to pick or have at least 2 different settings. It can't be that hard for devs to just lower the resolution and up the frames can it? Why not have that option. I hope they think about that.

[Gitgud]

60FPS is what they should achieve for, I couldn't care less about 4k. 1080p is nice and clean anyways.

[ChickeyCantor]

> I so would rather 1080p 60fps (or more) at ultra settings with fov sliders and full on AA.

Which is most likely the standard.

[Nathan_Hale53]

No, I prefer framerate over resolution anyday. That is why I have a 120hz 1080p TV hooked to my PC.

[Benschachar]

Monitors don't handle hz the same way tvs do you might want to consider getting a 120hz monitor.

[ziggurcat]

the specs for Neo haven't been confirmed or finalized, so what is the point of making a comparison? hell, we don't even know Scorpio's full specs...

[Double_O_Revan]

B..b..bbut Microsoft says their new console will do 1.21 Giggaflops, meanwhile Sony have come out and admitted to the existence of their newer model system. Are you telling me that isn't enough to go on and have a comparison article?!

[marquisray]

Thats the point if the neo is ready to ship this year why they didnt announce it at e3 this year. Because they play off of microsoft it really showed this year. Microsoft said a few things and sony watched hiw fans reacted and decided not to even say anything, if you look at there conference they had stopped it way before it was time why because of what microsoft did, they was scared, now you have all of these articles asking for information on the new xbox why sony do not want to be out done lol

[TFJWM]

But Sony announced they weren't showing the Neo before E3 even started...

[RegorL]

Sony said before E3 that Neo exists, but that they were not going to show it at E3 2016...
(it is not Sony that is scared... I do not think Scorpio is even close to prototype hardware)

https://www.vg247.com/2016/...

[XanderZane]

Yeah.. Sony's conference was suppose to be 2 hrs. It was more like 95 mins. I was a bit shocked when it ended. I was waiting to see more games and I wanted to see some PSVR demonstration. In any case if you are getting a PSVR, you'll probably need the PS4 Neo. Otherwise, I don't see any point in getting a PS4 Neo until the price drops significantly. The Scorpio will be more important for the XB1, especially for multiplat games, since they were play with better graphics and performance on the Scorpio, then on the regular XB1, PS4 and even the PS4 Neo. I could care less about XB1 games going to PC as I will still be playing them on my XB1. Haven't upgraded my PC for about 8 yrs now and don't really plan on doing it anytime soon. I'm not getting Win 10 either. I'm happy with Window 7.

[Benschachar]

I can almost see it but it was confirmed Sony wasn't going to talk about Neo.

[Gol3m]

For what we know so far the Scorpio specs are stronger. But there is reason Sony pulled neo from e3 showing. As much as some xbox fans don't want it. I'll bet $100 that Sony match the Scorpio specs.....anyone want to take the bet? Remember I'm in australia

[Fin_The_Human]

Golem you might be right.

The only problem with that is that if rumors were correct that Sony was planning in releasing the Neo this year to mesh with the PSVR release, then it would be too late to alter the consoles specs and the parts are already in production.

Sure Sony could recall production and delay the Neo but stuff like that end up costing lots of money.

My guess is that Sony will reveal the Neo at PGW with the rumored specs but will sell it at a loss bundled with PSVR...making it the cheapest 4K media player and VR deal on the market just like the/PS3 with blu rey.

[Gol3m]

I'm not sure. These companies tend to have multiple spec devices ready to go to production in test form. I doubt that it's already gone to production stage.

In reality sure there may be devs kits in the wild. But if Sony only up the specs but don't change the architecture (which we know as its a ps4 anyway) then those dev kits aren't completely void. They will simply get more muscle.

[Kiwi66]

Have any facts to back that up or is it just your assumption of what you think will happen , besides was it even confirmed that neo was to be shown at e3

[Gol3m]

Well that's the point also. If it was never going to be shown why does it matter. The specs therefore may not be confirmed. Sony may not be planning to release this year.

I'm just betting that it gets matched in specs. Or the very least Sony puts it back and releases it as ps5 next year alongside scorpio

[Destiny1080]

there was no point of the neo at e3, spending half the show talking about the neo specs and games and you'd still end up rushing things, it will be much better announced at another show where more time will be available, it will certainly make that show more exciting so I'm glad they skipped e3, specs wont change because of scorpio, its going to be a 1080p/60fps console which will probably upscale to 4k, it doesn't matter about the specs because Microsoft can top them no matter what they are in a years time, price too performance will be the neos big advantage and it will have a years head start

I think the neo is going to be a big success especially at 399, if for some reason the scorpio was to crush the neo in sales which I don't see how since there's no reason to own one if you have a pc, sony will just release a 4k deluxe version of the neo

[Gol3m]

I don't think it is that simple. Ms is making a very smart move effectively looking at all windows ecosystem now

[Foehammer]

Perhaps we should listen to what Andrew House said:

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

"However, we did think there was an opportunity to reflect on the traditional lifecycle, and on 4K technology, and say maybe there's an opportunity, within the course of a normal lifecycle to offer something else, something a little bit better, for a segment of the market that feels that this is important."

Note the term "a little bit better"

I think Neo competes with the S.

Scorpio could be in a league of it's own for consoles.

[Gol3m]

Which also means support will be poor

[Foehammer]

You haven't been paying attention.

Games will be scaled to work on all devices.

Scorpio will run like a decent rig.

Adoption will be high for those who prefer to game on console and want the best experience. That includes the best VR experience courtesy of Oculus.

[Aenea]

You haven't been paying attention either, games will have two modes, one for regular PS4, one for Neo, if it's only a slight upgrade as you seem to be hoping for that is not necessary at all....

[BossBattle]

No they won't. Save your $100.

[Gol3m]

Really? Oh please enlighten me oh great one. Ffs another xbox fanboy that knows aboslutely everything. It really doesn't bother me I'm just making a suggestion. It does not weigh heavily on my day to day activities like some of you hardcore fanboys

[HallowedSoul1]

sony is good at cooling cant be that hard for them to oc that polaris card. thats what im thinking they will do. supposedly ms and sony are using the same vid card just scorpios is oc to 1300mhz instead of sonys 900mhz. and ofc ms will have a different cpu. which means the ps4 neo wont get info until they finalize the highest stable oc, its either that or they delay till next year to compete with the scorpio.

[lastking95]

It's a bet then.

[XanderZane]

The PS4 Neo was slated to release in Oct 2016. I'm pretty sure they have already ordered all the hardware parts and are already manufacturing the systems as I type this. Don't think their will be many changes. Maybe an overclock on the CPU, but that's about it. Sony would lose millions if they started changing the spec now and the system wouldn't get released until next years E3.

[WelkinCole]

Its funny how people are talking about this and some somehow think that even if the Neo is 4.2TF and scorpio is 6TF it would mean night and day difference.

People are forgetting one important thing. Graphics diminishing return

http://www.extremetech.com/...

The XBOX one is about 6 times more powerful than the x360 for example. Similar to the PS4 vs PS3.

Yet we don't really see much of a jump from last gen. Graphics diminishing return at work.

It will be same case come next gen.

So don't hold your breath if you think this power difference is going to be night and day.

[Gol3m]

This is also true. It'll mean sharper images

[Eidolon]

No, it means better lighting, shadows, AF,AA,AO, particle effects, etc

[Eidolon]

Not much jump, are you kidding me?!? PS3 to PS4, X360 to X1, there is a HUGE jump from last gen in graphics. Polygons is only one part of graphics, so dumb, nothing about lighting, AO, AF, AA, particle effects.. list goes on.

[Eidolon]

The power will matter more at 4K.

[Foehammer]

Kind of like the X1 and PS4 then, not a big difference?

[Gol3m]

It isn't a big difference. But funny to watch

[Eidolon]

X1 and PS4 is actually a noticeable difference to good eyes, but not huge. He's saying that PS3 to PS4, X360 to X1 was not a huge jump..

[WelkinCole]

No not a night and day difference but there is a difference when it comes to multi-plats. Future multi-plats will look better on Scorpio if these are the final specs.

Exclusives we all know is up to 1st party. Trun 10 has managed to get 60fps 1080p on the X1 for example.

Couple the fact that as is the rumor Neo will get a 1 year head start. This will be a bigger advantage Neo has over Scorpio than the rumor power difference in terms of who will be leading.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

This ^^^ spot on. Too funny.

[Foehammer]

It appears to be the S that has the headstart.

[Eidolon]

This guy is literally only talking about polygons. You're a fool if you think there won't be a difference, then you're actually saying that Consoles = PC right now.

[SquidBuck]

ele, everybody loves everybody. I'm a little drunk yo

[objdadon]

The neo has nothing to do with the scorpio, the neo is just an upgraded slim. Scorpio is xbox 2.

[objdadon]

After seeing the reveals of god of war, horizon zero dawn, and days gone played on ps4, I'm fine with the ps4 i already have.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The difference is a lot plus with Xbox Play Anywhere you could build an Xbox Scorpio spec'd Windows 10 PC before Neo or Scorpio launches.

[MagicBeanz]

We dont know sense we dont know any actual facts about the NEO specs yet. But this just ended up sounding like a PC sales pitch in the end anyway.

[magiciandude]

The difference is HUMONGOUS OMG! Still getting both consoles because I absolutely love gaming!!!!!

[King_Lothric]

The difference is that NEO is still a console and Scorpio will be like a Steam machine PC. Microsoft couldn't beat Sony face to face so now they will make a PC and call it a "console".

Desperate times, desperate measures.

[Kiwi66]

So if by ms giving its fans options is desperate then couldn't you say that for sony as they too are going to give their fans options also by releasing an updated ps4

[Ark_]

Making their "console" a PC is the best thing Microsoft can do ...
Imagine people will be able to boot Scorpio in Standard Windows mode and use it for work (and the whole software library available for Windows, e.g. Office or Steam) - the thing would fly off the shelves like double chocolate chips accidantely wrapped in Dollar bills.

It's also one of the best things, that could happen for Steam, since all the Xbox users would bolster their userbase as well. And Microsoft gets rid of SteamOS, since their wouldn't be much use for it anymore. As long as Windows stays open ... Gabe should be fine with that approach.

[thisgamer503]

lol more like desperate fanboy logic. They're both consoles. One is more powerful. Deal with it lol. Desperate times indeed.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

One is twice as powerful as the other.

[PizzaSteve]

Here we go again. Who's the most powerful. It doesn't matter because it comes down to games. Scorpio doesn't have Horizon, GOW, Spider Man, and other amazing looking PS4 exclusives that you can't get on any other platform.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

I agree; that's why I'm getting both. Now who's going to stop me?

[Tsar4ever01]

The difference between the two is the GPU class & Memory bandwidth. Cpu is a mystery. I find it hard to believe Scorpio's Cpu will be running Amd's Jaguar core up-clocked, They have to be either an up-clocked Puma, or a Amd's next-gen ZEN cores SOC'd with an under clocked VEGA gpu. The memory will most likely be 12gb of GDDR5X

Unfortunately for what's leaked, the Neo still using those sorry assed Jaguar cpu cores . Or maybe also an up-clocked Puma cpu soc'd with an under clocked RX-480 GPU. Memory speed & bandwidth been enhanced, but still only 8Gb. It's obvious that Scorpio wins on brute power, but the Neo will have the market almost a full year and will be marginally cheaper than the Scorpio.

[conanlifts]

They have mentioned the neo being a premium device which implies it will not necessarily be cheap. I also think the scorpio will be reasonably costly for a console. As for people stating why not upgrade their gpu. A console gpu is more efficient and games are often designed more for consoles. So to outperform them you would possibly need a 1080 or 1080ti (potentially, although to be fair the consoles still have not had their full details announced, but then we also have not seen the decent overclocked 1070 or 1080 gpus). In addition if people have older cpu's etc these might need upgrading and what about memory installed. Would this need upgrading. Overall the pc would give the best performance, but it would still be far more costly than any console.

Sony have also stated that games released from October should support original and neo console. So is this implying a late 2016 release or early 2017 release? If it is around 4tflop as rumoured then I think it should release this year. If they release a 4tflop console at the end of 2017 then its still underpowered so what's the point, I would rather just upgrade my gpu or grab a scorpio at 6tflops. I hope we learn more very soon though as I am keen to grab a neo if it is released this year.

[jessionpc]

Actually the difference has been teased in a Horizon: Zero Dawn gameplay video during E3. It was running, at 60 fps.

Neo is designed to be a 1080p 60 fps console.

Scorpio is designed to be a 4k 30 fps console.

Neo is the obvious choice, as 1080p is already clear enough, and 60 fps is VITAL over 30 fps at this rate. "Not to mention the adoption rate of 4k is abysmally poor, therefore Scorpio has very little current value."

Scorpio isn't the short term success, but even though I'm reluctant to say this, it's the IMPORTANT choice for the future. If no device comes along and gives the mainstream world a REASON to adopt 4k, it's going to take bloody forever, and we'll be stuck at 1080p for the next 2 generations, "Which is gross as fk."

My hopes are that the arguments and media will spin this in a way that BOTH console developers next gen, will build a device capable of 4k AND 60 fps.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

@ jessionpc
"Neo is designed to be a 1080p 60 fps console".

"Scorpio is designed to be a 4k 30 fps console".

I will try to wrap my head around these. You don't make sense! I like how you downplay one and up the other though... no not really.

[JoeDG]

Bullshit... with the power difference they can go for 1440p 60 fps and upscale

[Babadook7]

Hmm. Price is the difference methinks.

[stalepie]

Scorpio is floppier than Neo

[its_JEFF]

Still not sure why either console makers are so hellbent of 4K gaming. I hope they don't make it mandatory. Why not focus on 1080P and use all that power for higher poly counts, more characters, more effects, bigger worlds, instead of higher resolution? I get that image quality is important, but I feel like these creators can be fully unleashed with all that power.

It would be interesting to see what the pros and cons of taking a game to 4K are vs building a game at 1080P. A games size and scope have to be affected by how much power it takes to render at 4K, right?

[Salooh]

That's exactly what i prefer. When a new gen come , consoles do what you just said.

But people need to understand , Sony is not trying to bring a new gen, it would of been amazing but unfair to those who bought the ps4 at the same time if they moved on in the 4th year. We are in the same gen, the new hardware purpose is to extend the gen and provide a high end option for the same games, it is like playing BF1 in ultra setting instead of low-medium. This needs to happen, it should of been here from the beginning. I would of bought the neo day one at any price because i wanted to experience games like uncharted 4 at full potential. Now we will have that option, i really hope that Sony do this with the ps5 too but from the start...

[WilliamSheridan]

Ok, there is no easy that VR will help Sony catch up in power. Whoever wrote that it will leverage 4k gaming is crazy...

[Many-hat5]

Maybe worth bearing in mind that neither Neo or Scorpio specs are set in stone, so expect some movement on these as MS and Sony try to match. I do agree 6TFLOPS isn't the ultimate for 4K gaming, but it's hella of an improvement from where we are now.My only slight concern is how are these consoles going to cope with immergent technologies like NVMe ? The move from mechnical HDD's will be significant once NVMe becomes widespread. SSD's will start to show their potential - consoles can't afford to ignore this stuff, IMO.

[Kingoftherodeo]

ok here we go guys for those who aren't a die hard fans of either camp and you want an upgrade. rumor has it ps4neo will be out this year if the neo doesn't match the specs from what we know of the scorpio do you still buy or wait for scorpio?

[antikbaka]

no much difference, both of them won't give you comfortable 4k GAME experience, but films probaly OK. And finally they will demostrate 1080*60fps

[Eidolon]

Probably okay? you mean you think the Scorpio still isn't powerful enough for 4K movies? -.-

[cd1]

The author of this article doesn't seem particularly tech savvy, some of the facts he has stated are incorrect too. If you want to see an accurate comparison between these two consoles i would wait until Sony come out with official specs for Neo...and dont use trustedreviews.com - they lie.

[cd1]

I'm not saying Scorpio and Neo are capable of native 4k gaming in high detail at a decent FPS but reading some of the comments left by blatant Master race simpletons is most amusing. As soon as a 6TFlop console is announced 6TFlops isnt enough, to be classed as a serious gamer you need at least the 9TFlops provided by a GTX1080. I cant decide if they genuinely don't know consoles get much more out of the available Hardware resources than a PC, or they just don't like to mention it. Either way so funny - please continue basement dwellers :)

[AmUnRa]

Whats the diference? Whe dont no becouse the specs of the scorpio are not fully revealed and the specs of the Neo are unknowed. So this opinionpiece is based on speculation nothing more..

[ILostMyMind]

If the XBS have exclusive games then it is not a half generation.

[Export]

You guys are bunch of tools , first xbox games coming to the pc will need xbox live which is the gravy train that they want .. console sale are nice but having millions buying xbox live yearly is better , Second Xbox will be releasing console every 2 years and games will have req. on them too .

Xbox s(xbox 1.1) is the low end , Scorpio(Xbox 1.2) is the high end for now , Next console will be the High end (xbox 1.3) and the scorpio will be mid and Xbox S will still be the low end .Halo 9 can be played on Xbox 1.2 -1.3 but to enjoy the game as designed , go and buy high end console (xbox 1.3) to enjoy it . Been calling it since Sept ....

[GamerXGATT]

You guys know the new Xbox Scorpio has more power than a GTX 980.... only the processor will be the hold back. With them announcing the Scorpio at 6 TF/s I had to upgrade my card in my pc. There is no way I am going to have my bandwidth beaten by a $400 console lol... When my 1080 arrives I shall be sitting at a glorious 10 TF/S. game set match.

Thanks Nvidia for not letting console graphics surpass mine. Either way it is going to be a great time for gaming. And for those folks saying devs won't take advantage of the power? They will. They will build the best looking best quality game they can to show off. (Like they do at E3 and for Commercials), have the highest resolution textures etc. Then since Xbox is Windows 10ish now, make an ini that edits how the game runs based on the console you have. It's not like they have to reprogram the entire game.

I will be trading up both my PS4 and Xbox one for a Neo and Scorpio respectively. I am a 4k gamer, and wouldn't mind having hardware up-scaled 4k natively from the PS4, and true / upscaled 4k from the Scorpio. TV's built in up-scaler isn't worth a damn.

[RGB]

"Xbox Scorpio vs PS4 Neo specs comparison: What's the difference?"
Microsoft has announced, Sony hasn't, let's wait till we actually know the full facts on both sides. Still specs unknown on the Scorpio also.

[WickedLester]

One has better games.

[Pego]

As long as they are not forcing developers to reach 4k then I'm all good. I rather them stay in 1080p/60fps and use the extra power for more particle effects and better lightning, textures, etc.

[SgtPepper1806]

I think we all get it. Scorpio roasts Neo. The question is how much will it cost, and what's the point in getting one over a more powerful PC if is targeting a premium price point?

[Doopy]

John Carmack said it himself. Consoles are twice as powerful than their PC counter part because of it's closed platform and developers can get more out of it.

[sorane]

You should really let go of that statement since it's been proven wrong on about 10000 different occasions. Might have held some truth back when consoles and pcs had vastly different hardware inside them, but now it's completely false. I know this from first hand experience.

[Crazywhitie]

Sony will Match Xbox in Specs. it's the Reason they Pull Neo from E3 after Hearing Xbox Scorpio News (week before)... Consoles arent meant to be a PC the Games are just suppose to Work..

[DeeJayQc]

You know nothing Jon Snow...

We know too few about both consoles... Stop speculating on dreams. Let's wait for them to show more.

[Benschachar]

4 years is hardly a half generation. Before the 7th generation 4 yrs was the average cycle.

[mEATgrinder]

Xbox Scorpio is better, that's the difference

[Doopy]

How many sony fanboys does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None, they are waiting for greatness lol.

[guitarded77]

FROM ARTICLE: "Both Microsoft and Sony have been forced into a corner by the rapid rise of both VR and 4K TVs, something they either didn’t predict when they first launched their consoles, or chose to ignore."

The author uses "chose to ignore" like MS and Sony are ignorant. Could you imagine the prices for such consoles a few years ago??? Neither would be realistic. We don't know for sure if these are completely new generation consoles with backward compatibility and their own software independent of PS4/XBOX One, or these mid-generation offerings meant to be a stopgap for a full next gen. Yeah, they're going for the 4k market as that's where the TV industry is going, but we still have yet to see where these consoles go. Sony and Microsoft aren't ignorant of technology though the consoles they're building next just weren't possible, or not fiscally possible at the time. Either way, I hope it's just a stopgap... I don't want to have to buy another console for new games yet.

[airforcex]

I think it's awesome that both MS and Sony are doing this. Just don't expect 4K gaming.

[ITPython]

The Gtx 970 is like 7.2 Tflops, and it's already an outdated card that can't even run RoTR at 1080p ultra settings at 60fps. I have both this card and game and have to bump quite a few settings down to run a smooth 60fps (and that includes using no AA at all).

Scorpio is only going to be 6 Tflops (which will be a heck of a lot more outdated than a year and a half when it comes out at the end of 2017), 4k gaming will only be possible on lightweight indie games, or heavily optimized AAA games that are tuned back quite a bit in the visual department, which probably will only be able to do 30fps at best.

[Foehammer]

So what does that say about a 4TF Neo?

[gamer7804]

why are people comparing what a 1000$+ pc designed to run 4k games against a box that will likely be 500$. you could buy 2 scorpio's for one 4k PC.

[Yetter]

I'm just gonna leave this quote here

"For the same given paper spec, a console will deliver twice the perf of a PC, and a PC will deliver twice the perf of a mobile part."
- John Carmack

https://twitter.com/id_aa_c...

When you think about how good some PS4 games look on a console with 1.8TFLOPs. This quote holds up pretty damn well

[Doopy]

I got disagreed for saying this earlier.

[sorane]

Actually the quote doesn't hold up at all. It's been proven wrong thousands of times already. I even have a AMD 280 which is 3.34tf which has proven that statement wrong on every game I've played with it. Every single game I've played with my 280 which is less than twice as powerful than a ps4 has not only run at a higher fps but it's also had much better graphics while doing so. If that quote was true then that would not be the case.

@yetter below

That's not true at all. I've run Star Citizen which looks much much better and almost every single game I own runs better than Uncharted 4 which is only 30fps. Uncharted 4 isn't a very technically demanding game. It's just a simple linear action game. Many games out there are far far more demanding than that game. I'd love to see a ps4 try to run Ashes of Singularity with 25,000 units on the map at once all with there own lighting and physics. It would literally melt a console. I haven't seen anything in Uncharted 4 that would make me think it couldn't easily run at higher than 30fps with better graphical effects on my 280. Even first time AAA developer Ready at Dawn can make a good looking linear tps. They are not exactly at the top of the technically demanding genre list.

[Yetter]

You haven't run any game that looks and runs like Uncharted 4 on that PC

[WeaseL]

between $100 and $200, price is important too.

[Ulf]

This article is grossly biased towards Sony's platform. "the memory could change before release", to address the bandwidth difference, and "big numbers are good... caveman" to address the TFlops difference.

Changing the memory architecture would require some significant reworking of the console design, and supposedly, dev kits are already out. This isn't going to change. Get real, "trusted reviews".

Journalism is supposed to lack bias, when it's good. I have to say that, this site... not good journalism. Although I suppose it does draw curious fanboys. Maybe that's good journalism, in the modern day?