DICE Level Artist Reacts On Angry Joe’s Battlefront Rant; Truth Bending & Tiring

DICE’s level artist Daniel Cambrand has taken to Twitter to react on Angry Joe’s recent Battlefront Season Pass rant video. According Cambrand, Joe's rant video is highly unimpressive and wrong on many facts.

[Gazondaily]

Ouch.

Angry Joe has to be careful here. I can see how his anger can get the better of him and the more he starts yelling, the more clichéd he might end up sounding.

At the same time, if Cambrand says he's wrong then he should state at least some examples.

[VER1ON]

Isn't the first time actually, Joe went all out on Nintendo earlier this year. After this Joe got into an argument with David Jaffe.

http://www.paradiger.com/da...

That post is Joe making up with Jaffe, all of the earlier punches are in pingbacks as well.

[SolidStoner]

joe is 100% right that " ITS A TRAP" :D and it is.. all these things with weird stuff for additional money is a rip off, and should be in the game first place..

his anger and weird talking just sends us wrong message, but 70% he talks is right... 30% he talks about things he cant or didnt play before or just lost it in his anger! :D

anyway! DONT BUY these stupid adons, pre orders or DLC.. look at GTA5, great game and everything we get DLC is free, if you are rich or dumb, you can give R* money to get R* dollars.. and its fine..

but these rip offs are worst.. at least make it like Fallout 4 with pip boy or something..

but this they just use STAR wars name to sell BATTLEFIED.. and even battlefield is F***** up because it should go to the core BF gameplay, 1942 or Vietnam.. instead they are heading into COD pop culture FUTURE setting... F*** EA!

[xHeavYx]

This Dice dude said that Joe is lying, but "forgot" to say what of what Joe said is not true.

[freshslicepizza]

joe did show the deluxe version and what you only get for $10 more, a complete waste of money. then he showed the full package with the dlc. yes one can argue we don't know what the dlc actually is but for an extra $50 you are not getting two games. i can tell you that right now. It's disguised as 4 dlc packs they will likely charge $15 each for so you get $10 off.

the whole issue stems from how they go about development of the game. they rush it out the door to try and tie it in with the movie and add content later and justify it's a full game plus more content.

whether people like it or not if we want to continue to get aaa expensive games the consumers are likely going to have to pay in more ways. that's why seasons passes and dlc are becoming the norm. they do not want to get rid of the $60 price model so now they disguise the more expensive options as deluxe and trickle out extra content.

i asked this before but got no answers, only disagrees. the cost to make battlefront before was 20% cheaper to the consumer, aka $50 game. now the new game will start at $60. however does anyone actually think with marketing that the new battlefront game is only 20% more to make? i seriously doubt it. we now see games that cost 80 million dollars and more becoming quite common. the consumer will eat that cost one way or another.

[guitarded77]

Joe is right, but I have a sickness... and Star Wars Battlefront is the cure.

[Army_of_Darkness]

" @AngryJoeShow @DavidotsuguA "It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

— Daniel (@TearGasJazz) October 19, 2015

So delay the F#@King game by a TON!!
I personally wouldn't mind waiting up to an additional year if it means getting a complete game with a campaign, plus all the other crap that they're issuing as DLC.... Reading this dice guy's tweets pisses me off even more cause he clearly thinks that us gamers are stupid or something?!....

[badz149]

LOL what is this DICE dude even replying to Joe for? EA and DICE are in the hot water here and is this guy think that his answer will somehow make them the good guy? LOL

So what is it now, Dan? You guys can't put too much contents or mostly what fans wanted because that would mean you guys have to delay the damn thing? Is that it?? So...you're basically admitting that the game is an incomplete project?! But you guys charge $60 anyway for a freakin incomplete, rushed, online only POS! And to top it of, a freakin $50 Season Pass?? There's no defence for THAT! It's simply DISGUSTING!

Weren't you say that those are the contents you guys would like to put in the game but couldn't due to dateline and you guys can't afford to delay the game? Why the hell charge for them then?? Not $10, not $20, not even $30 but 50 F****NG DOLLARS!! And you have the guts to call out Joe for whining about it! You guys are PATHETIC!

[DemonChicken]

https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

I just leave this here

[Halo2ODST2]

Joe is right on this account - http://a.disquscdn.com/uplo... / side note - BF2 = 1 Pack, with 4 new maps & 2 heroes for 5$ whereas Dice BF - 5 packs (which each pack will only have 1-2 new maps) for 50$, Terrible value.

[Grap]

Why the heck i would pay 50$ for something i don't know they should release a plan for their sh!tty Pass.

[nX]

and first they should make sure this game doesn't launch like their previous games, BF4 is still my most annoying gaming experience of the last few years

[subtenko]

exactly, why we gotta frikken gamble im tired of this sht.....devs trying to get away with it. SAY NO GUYS!!! COme on!!!!

I wanted seige, now having doubts....wanted battlefront...no having doubts....Hey devs you could have my money without question if you did better....

[DragonKnight]

Nah Septic, Joe is totally in the right here. EA is up to their standard tricks again and this artist is trying to defend money grubbing tactics. One can only assume EA promised DICE a fat bonus because of this. When's the last time you heard an artist defending sh*tty practices? Lead Designer? Ok. Random artist? First time I've ever seen it happen.

[Gazondaily]

I do agree with Joe to clarify. It's just the nature of his ranting that might not make others take him as seriously as he deserves.

[LightofDarkness]

I agree somewhat. Joe's often on the right side of a proverbial fence but he doesn't get his message across well at times. He lacks the eloquence (and even insight) of someone like Jim Sterling, but he does speak to a wider variety of people due to the simplicity of his message, however juvenile he can seem at times. He's useful for riling the masses, while others may be better for a direct conversation and for rebutting the rebuttals.

[fanboysmackdown]

I agree and I'm not buying this one because of no single player. This is becoming an EA specialty........assholes.

[-Foxtrot]

I agree Joe is right. He's not always right, but who is these days, he's more honest then other Youtube personalities.

The video was just one that was quickly done aswell, not his usually high quality one when he's planned everything out, he was literally talking to other people and thought "hey lets just make a quick video" imagine what he could do if he spent time on one of his proper videos.

The random artist doesn't even say what things Joe was wrong about.

[AizenSosuke]

That EA BS again sigh.....

[HonestDragon]

I back Joe and anyone of the same opinion about the different "editions" of Battlefront. I went to the page myself to get a closer look at it all and it's absolutely ludicrous how EA is trying to sell this game. Three items out of the bloody list can be unlocked by playing a few levels (so some people would be paying for things they can easily acquire in game in no time at all) and the rest are digital filler that should be in the game in the first place instead of being held hostage in other "editions".

It's insulting is what it is. I knew from the get-go that Disney giving EA the exclusive rights to publish Star Wars video games was a mistake. Look no further than how this questionable release is going. Yes, the game looks amazing, sounds good, and plays well, but EA's attempt at selling bits and giving less content for more money is what's the ultimate problem here. EA just keeps up with their usual money grubbing tactics.

[Gunstar75]

I unsubscribed from his channel ages ago. He comes across as a bit of a dick.

[GearSkiN]

Yeah coz he's honest. If you think about it why would he cares he has enough followers to buy the game. But he's not about that he's a gamer just like anybody else that likes to voice his opinion and not scared, I myself support this and blind gamers should do the same.

[UnwanteDreamz]

@gear

Who coulf take what you said seriously with all the backhanded insults. What you call honesty I call knee jerk immature reaction being spoon fed to sheeple. You need this guys reviews to form an opinion? I don't need youtubers and their opinions on what I choose to spend my money on. Just giving my opinion like you gave yours.

[bradfh]

he can talk how he feels fit. hate people always say that he should be more like a puppet.

[2cents]

he is Angry Joe you know...

If he didn't loose his sh1t, what would be the point. He plays to his character and gives his fans what they want.

I don't think anyone goes to this show for factual and intellectual analysis. It's more for a laugh, just like Yahtzee.

We need people like Joe imo.

[Gazondaily]

Yeah I subscribed to him ages ago. But even angry joe's anger can get same-y.

I like the guy and I actually agree with a lot of what he says.

[IanTH]

He feels a bit like a internet comment section personified, and not a balanced one either. One of those filled-with-anger for no reason threads - not something I care to read, especially not something I want to listen to.

Feels like balanced discussion tends to give way to people who are turned up to 11 all the time. Some people can't say I disagree with you, they say I hope you die in a tire fire because you like this company over this company.

I can't watch him. If you can't get your views across or hold anyones attention without devolving into a yelling, ranting mess spewing various levels of vitriol...well, then I have an issue both listening to what you might be trying to say or end up taking any of those points seriously.

[subtenko]

There are more people like him. Everyone yells and rants,lol. tons of channels on youtube

[2cents]

@Spetic, yeah, I enjoy his rants from time to time. Especially the effort he makes in his Segway's and green screen work.

@Instantstupor. Yes, he is a moron.

@Subtenko. They are a dime a dozen but I like the effort Joe puts in to his production values, the content is borderline ridiculous but the quality is top notch.

[Rhythmattic]

Ah well, seems he's polarising .... you like him or hate him....

As for me, I find his channel entertaining.... Guess that means I like him.

[MikleDemi]

Exactly!

Where is the proof that Joe is wrong? Please Mr. Cambrand, take apart his rant and show us exactly how wrong he is. What's that? You won't? Yeah, that's what I though.

They are just trying to cash in on the movie, and they WILL.

[ion666]

People must agree that 10 bux for three animations is a deal and they will buy anything in a season pass even if they dont know whats in it. People are retarded. Corporate cammander wins again....F@ck you Gimme Money!!!

[quaneylfc]

He's an idiot.

I hate those self indulgent youtube assholes.

They're easier to pay off

[Karnalsyn]

The only thing "tiring and cliche" here, is development studios desire to sell "mystery content" pre-release.

Joe is right to use his position to bring this crap to the forefront.

[Helios86]

To be fair the level design is pretty bland, downright shite imho.

[-Foxtrot]

"Some seem to agree with you on that yeah. It is a reboot with the same name. It is new and we try to honor alot of the old"

WHAT OLD...they've literally left everything we liked and made the old games unique out of this game

Jesus man

"According to Joe, DICE shouldn’t have used the Battlefront title as this comes with expectations"

He's right.

It's just a quick Star Wars online only game to go alongside Episode VII. They've called it Battlefront to sell more copies. This could have been a new Star Wars IP and a digital only game.

[MikleDemi]

Couldn't agree with you any more Fox.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

Man, I never thought I would agree with Angryjoe, but I find myself completely on his side in this. That Dice artist has dashed any respect I may have had for that company.

But be careful Foxtrot, as the mindless masses will tell you to "Get over, just be happy we're getting a battlefront" or to "Get used to change and deal with it."

[s45gr32]

Cambrad is just trying to cover his ass. I'm with Joe on this one, he is looking at the EA website store that shows what he is saying. Cambrad is just saying that Joe is wrong with non facts to back himself up.

[WellyUK]

People are forgetting that there is a choice in this. NO one is FORCING you to buy the season pass at all. If you don't like or agree with it then don't buy it. The problem is, is that you complain on here but a month or 2 down the line you have brought the season pass. The more people who don't buy this the more likely they will change but sadly your not going to change the millions of people who sadly don't care and just want more Star Wars.

[SegaGamer]

We KNOW we don't need to buy the season pass. It's not that we don't like the content that they will release as DLC, the problem is that we should be getting this stuff WHEN THE GAME IS RELEASED, not in the form of DLC. How are some people not getting this ?

[UnwanteDreamz]

How are some people getting that you don't have to purchase the game or dlc?

That would speak volumes more than any video or comment you could post crying about it.

[SegaGamer]

@UnwanteDreamz, I won't be getting it, but i have a right to complain about not getting a complete game at lauch. Why should we have to pay extra for content that should have been in the game from the start ?

The guy's tweet basically confirms that the game is incomplete. This is what he wrote - "It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

So he's saying that they can't delay the game, and because of that, we now have to pay extra for the stuff that should have been in the game from the start.

Like i said, we want the DLC stuff, but we shouldn't have to pay for it. It's just greed when we have to pay for stuff that should have already been included in the game.

[mkis007]

Why don't we start including the sequels with the base game?! I want my money's worth. We should get all the content.

To
The entitled generation.

Who the hell are you to say what a game's content is valued at without knowing the facts about development? The comparisons to BF2 are completely illogical as that game came out 10 years ago on a platform that can be run on modern phones. The cost of development and time is not equal. Our prices have only gone up by 10$ since then, but development time and money has skyrocketed.

[daBUSHwhaka]

The guys just telling it the way it is.BS from EA as usual.

[Godmars290]

Isn't Joe's argument that this game has less content than the games that came before it?

Like you said, if someone from EA is going to refute those claims then they need to offer examples.

[RegorL]

Lets wait and compare download sizes... :)

[IceKoldKilla]

Anger? Dude you still believe he actually gets angry? He fakes it to make videos which make him money. Nothing real about ranting for $10. An optional edition on top of that. The dude pisses ME off. I should create a lousy channel called Angry Cam and rant on Angry Joe's videos. I'd get a million views each time too and have a whole beef thing to promote my channel and have people come check out why I rant on stupid insignificant shit about life.

[MoveTheGlow]

Just being angry doesn't cut it. Ask the Irate Gamer about that one.

You are right that it's a persona, a "fake" of sorts, but it's tougher than you'd think to convey a persona over a regular series of edited videos addressing current events. Tough enough that there's probably quite a bit of actual Joe in Angry Joe for him to last this long. He's way, way better at jokes now than he used to be, at least. He's learning.

He's getting views because he tries. Does he have some amazing, transformative things to say about the industry? Of course not, they're all pretty dang obvious. But he makes videos based on something he's an enthusiast of, and people like his ideas.

[MoveTheGlow]

Septic is right about Cambrand's shallowness when he responded. This DICE guy was just talking about "the truth" without giving a single detail. There's nothing that says that pricing isn't the way it is, and there's nothing that ensures the DLC will be worth the price. He needs to state actual examples.

For example: "As of now, our plans are to release expansions with 10 additional hours on average of single-player content and three new multiplayer modes each, along with new maps and new vehicles." He can't say something like that because he's under contract, sure. Therefore, he shouldn't have said the original stuff in the first place and let Youtubers be Youtubers.

I like Angry Joe. He's a good entertainer that can definitely do some great sight gags when he's on. I didn't necessarily love Joe's delivery on this one (the er... fake arousals were a bit much after the first time), but there isn't much opaqueness to the issues he's raising here, and they weren't refuted by this guy's responses either.

Yes, if the DLC that happens to be packaged in a Season Pass was included with the game, they would have to delay the release of the game. No, that doesn't make Season Passes any less sketchy, due to the less-than-stellar DLC showings we've seen. You wanna expand the game? Don't announce DLC before day one. Do an expansion. Shivering Isles that stuff, people. (Or just be CD Projekt Red and be trustable in the first place.)

But can we talk about that extra $10 they're proposing for a few quick unlocks and two exclusive emotes? I know, I know - we're free to choose, and if someone's purchasing that, they deserve to get that ripped off, just like how Destiny has those emote microtransactions. But really, if you're gonna front 10 extra dollars for the game, you should get something better than that. Heck, have a stupid Jar Jar setting where stormtroopers' helmets get replaced by Jar Jar masks and you can shoot him down repeatedly. Something that transforms gameplay just the slightest bit!

Ten dollars is more than three copies of Downwell. Get the base version of the game and get Downwell, for crying out loud! You'll probably play it longer.

[jb227]

"At the same time, if Cambrand says he's wrong then he should state at least some examples. "

Totally agree. As consumers who have seen more & more shady practices hit the gaming market, can devs blame us for expecting the worse, doubly so when we are talking about publishers that have been guilty of the same practices on multiple occasions in the past? I think the biggest injustice bound to hit the market soon will be something mentioned in this video, the shutting down of servers on a yearly basis. That way mp gamers are forced to upgrade to the new iteration or they suddenly have a $60 coaster. Whereas in the past mp games like Halo 2 would have long lives before the servers shut down, there is absolutely nothing stopping devs from shortening that span by a mile. Reasons like these that I'm glad I'm an sp & local co op player only, the mp scene is like the wild west these days, anything goes & gamers will still drop their money in order to purchase a game at release because otherwise the communities are all dried up by the time a decent price drop comes around.

[3-4-5]

* If you really want to show DICE how much you don't like the season pass then don't buy it and don't buy the DLC.

When it doesn't sell well, they will get the message.

[alb1899]

Angry Joe is right

[Realms]

This is not on EA it's on people that are going to buy the season pass. People never learn you get what you deserve for supporting idiotic business practices that are obious cash grabs. Yet people will buy it and then complain that it was not good enough, and EA will laugh all the way to the bank. If you are thinking of buying the season pass just remember what WB did with Arkham Knight and ask your self if it was worth it. Any how that's my two cents food for thought people can spend their money how ever they see fit. If they want to throw it away that's fine but just know you are the reason these companies keep doing these horrible business practices.

[BigBosss]

EA is a shady company though, you gotta admit that. You can't trust any companies these days especially since the gaming industry is run by the zionists same people that run the movie industry, porn industry and so forth.

[MoveTheGlow]

First sentence: Yes!
Second sentence: Yes! ...wait, Zionists? That's a little specific. "Riccitello" and "Wilson" aren't necessarily names I'd associate with the Promised Land or whatnot.

[BigBosss]

Zionists are the higher ups who are the 1% also known as the elites or the rothchilds, rockafellas, etc.

[MoveTheGlow]

Huh. Couple of definitions floating around, I guess.

[VER1ON]

I have to agree with Cambrand on this though, not only to anger Joe even more.

Joe is wrong on so many levels here. He should get off his high horse.

[DragonDDark]

2 emotes for $10 is good now? Okay LOL

[Grap]

these people disgusted me man don't bother with them.

[-Foxtrot]

People who defend these practices are parasites to the gaming industry. Why would any gamer with a passion for this industry support something which makes it sick.

[Halo2ODST2]

don't forget parasites must be disposed of, other wise they spread

[masterfox]

wow theres someone who support this ? mobile games is that way dude --> Exit real gaming

[TrailerParkBoys]

"Exit real gaming" omg I love that

[JackVagina]

I have 0 problems with DLC as long as its made after the game has been released. CDPR,Bethesda,Sony,Activision all have season passes yet when EA does it everyone looses their minds.

I do think the deluxe editions "early unlocks" are sh**ty though. At the same time nothing is cut from the game. People simply need to read what theyre buying and try to avoid this.

[_-EDMIX-_]

...you don't know when they are actually working on DLC bud, I don't even get how that would hurt you lol

[Ninver]

only an EA employee or activist would defend such filth. you know who you are.

[NarooN]

@thunderbird

You can put food on the table without being a lying sack of thieving pieces of shit, but okay.

[JackVagina]

Help me understand, why are people pissed? Is it because of the season pass or just the idea of there being DLC?

[SuicidalTendencies]

@thunderbird86

You ever think maybe these people just don't like being ripped off? Funny that you sound like one of those rich athletes that complain about putting food on the table just cause they didn't make that extra few million.

[DARK WITNESS]

ok, so Joe is wrong on so many levels here... ok explain what he is wrong on, in detail...

Joe is totally right in my book.

for the price of the Season pass, I can buy Fallout 4. I can buy a whole new game basically.

A year from now there will be an Aniversary edition that has the game and the season pass all for like £60 or something.

when did paying £50 for a season pass become the norm.

And to think of all the sh£%^t that Destiny took for trying to charge a full... what was it, £30 or £40.

I have not bought a season pass in the last 3 years or so and this is one game I think I will give a miss or at the least I will just wait till I can get a second hand copy.

[xHeavYx]

@Verion
You, like the dude from Dice, forgot to mention what's wrong with Joe's statement.

[SegaGamer]

How is Joe wrong ? Pretty much everything he said was spot on.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. Though he is trying to push something for what he feels is of the greater good, you can't just state stuff is cut despite the team, publisher etc saying otherwise.

If we are at this level of just assuming and "guessing" might as well apply this logic to all dlc.

DICE also made this game in 2 and a half years, its very, very likely they don't have that DLC just being "saved" or "cut" etc.

Even DICE LA and Visceral helped with BF4's DLC and BF4 is STILL getting content.

Delay BF4 til this year?

I mean...I get one wants a game with lots of content, but that is just something crazy to really ask any developer or publisher to do.

We are not asking Witcher 3 to delay its game based on expansion's...

Yes..it can be part of Witcher 3...why should the team do this? It would be nice, but so would all free things, thats not really a real economical, financially answer to such a question lol

I'm sorry but I think people are just upset because MOST of gaming doesn't actually agree with their views.

Evident by the sales currently. I'll take this game for $60 and decide if I plan to put anything more then 200 hours in it, if I do, then I'll wait to see what the DLC is, vs getting it at 80 to 90$ and getting bored maybe 70 hours in.

Mind you, that is the price games actually should currently be. Now..If I got COD MWII at that pirce, I would have been mad, I got that game and put 70 hours in and didn't really care for the rest of its MP, but hey....at least I didn't spend the real economical value of the game which is more then $60.

The games I did like that I got more stuff from were games I put at least 200 or so hours in on, mind you, I put over 300 hours in TF2 when it only had 6 maps.

Value is what the consumer believes, but market value is a factually thing based on what the majority will pay for...MOST WILL pay for it as its actually JUST! If it wasn't, its sales would reflect that.

Don't like DLC? Season Passes? Pre-order bonus? Don't buy it...simple. No one is forcing anyone to actually buy any of this.

Also stop bashing those who actually buy post launch content, sorry but its a subjective opinion, not a objective one. (for those of you who keep throwing personal attacks at gamers for buying what they like) Its just silly and stupid, some find a value in it and I see nothing wrong with that.

[HonestDragon]

"I have to agree with Cambrand on this though, not only to anger Joe even more."

That is a counterproductive response that just reeks of spite toward Joe. You're basically saying you're agreeing with one particular party because you don't like the other person's views.

"Joe is wrong on so many levels here. He should get off his high horse."

Instead of just saying how Joe is wrong "on so many levels", explain how he is wrong. Why do you feel Joe is wrong about the season pass and the different editions of Battlefront? You can't just claim someone is wrong without giving some sort of viable reason.

[luckytrouble]

Having actually watched Angry Joe's rant, and having read the article, uh, k? The only point really addressed in the Tweets is the assumption that content was cut to be sold at additional cost later, which is something we always fear, and often assume, even if it can't be proven. Yeah, it's somewhat tiring seeing it, but at the same time, there have been more than a few times where DLC was abused to make worries justified.

Otherwise? Angry Joe was spot on about the lack of value in the Deluxe Edition. It's ten dollars more with the only extra content being two emotes. Unless the credit gaining system is completely altered this month before release, the other three items will be acquired quickly and easily. It's a shitty Deluxe Edition.

Season pass? It's expensive, and you have essentially no idea on what you're getting. It's completely and utterly vague. This does lend some credence to the idea that no content was cut for DLC, but then you also have to entertain the skeptic viewpoint that they were purposefully vague for the reason that they did cut content. That aside, if you're going to charge out the ass for the season pass, it should at least have some detail attached to make it seem worth the price hike over more standard season pass pricing.

Regardless, Angry Joe spends most of his rant attacking the price of mysterious or underwhelming goods. This artist did nothing to fight against that except to say "nuh-uh, totally wrong because I said so". If that is really a convincing argument for some of you, well, honestly, it's just kind of sad.

I also completely agree that the name is an attempt to cash-in on nostalgia. The new Battlefront really doesn't have much in common with the old past some of the most basic concepts.

I give the article a 0/10 for being wildly uninteresting and for simply trying to rile people up and force further argument about the value of Battlefront.

[masterfox]

wow 120 dollars!?! EA BS again, not wasting my money on this!

[mike32UK]

I watched 30 seconds and had to turn it off. Do people actually watch this guy?! Hes insufferable! So corny and over the top. Never again

[kraenk12]

He's sometimes funny and often has a point but generally just an immature redneck who is way too full of himself. Guess that's where he gets his audience from, angry and immature gamers.

[Featuring_Dante]

Beats me man. whats baffling is that people take his opinion seriously.
AVGN is to blame for creating this type of personality.

[mike32UK]

It really is baffling! He's basically an overly opinionated man child

[PreAtaric]

He obviously appeals to the entitled people commenting here. I don't find him to be funny or informative.

[Spectre_StatusN7]

Angry Joe was spot on, the Battlefront BETA was fun but EA is scamming the hell out of us with the deluxe edition and the $50 season pass which has no details at all of what the hell were even paying for. No Campaign, No voice chat, no private matches at launch and don't even compare this barebones game to Battlefront 2. I get it EA, you want this game out around the time the movie comes out for ultimate hype, so who cares what gamers deserve right? Even someone from IGN called that season pass "Disgusting". It's not just Angry joe.

EDIT: "It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

LOL exactly!!! EA is obviously rushing a game which is clearly not ready and CHARGING PEOPLE EXTRA FOR CONTENT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE MAIN GAME. How hard is that to understand?

[RegorL]

It is the opposite of rushing!

You know you are expected to release November 2015.

Can Episode I - VI fit into that? No.
Can Episode IV - VI fit? Yes

DLC? Episode VII or I. No question about it VII.
But when can that be released?
I am pretty sure a select few at DICE have read Episode VII manuscript. Several might have got to modelling specific things.
But probably they are not up to full speed.

So what to use the developers for in the void between finishing base game and Episode VII?

There is this battle of Jakku...

[JokerBoy422]

Ive never liked the angry joe videos. His views on the industry are like all the 12 year olds on xbox live who have, and i quote, "Fucked your mom." We see trailers for movies all the time and never complain because we all know that the movies are usully still hugely in progress. They give us a taste of whats to come. A season pass is the same. The company knows it will release it but its nowhere near finished along with the progress of the main game. Guys like Angry Joe are the reason gamers arent taken seriously by anyone and the fuel to the fire that is slowly destroying the industry of gaming. These are games people, tools of distraction and fun. They day we take fun too seriously is the day we kill it. If you dont like season passes and what not than show the industry how you feel by not buying it. Dont bitch about it and then proceed to purchase it anyway! But hey thats just an opinion, a game opinion!

[Solid_Penguin-64]

The point that Joe was making was that as long as a product has enough value relative to what you are paying for it, then it's completely fine. So if Batttlefronts base game was chock full of content and the season pass added a lot more on top then he would have no problem with it. As it stands though, the game was clearly pushed out early to bank off the movies buzz and is light on content as a result. To put it in perspective, BF2 had 33 maps whilst this has 14 (3 per planet plus 2 from Jakku dlc). Add in the season pass and that'll likely be another 16 maps (each battlefield expansion in 4 had 4 maps each and the sp has 4 expansions) but paying twice as much to get actually less isn't exactly "for the fans".

By all means, buy what you want to buy, it's just that paying for the season pass without actually knowing what you are getting is bad for gamers. The reason being that if everyone buys it off the bat (there is no penalty for buying it further down the line btw), there is no push at all for Dice to make it the best that they can do since they already have your money. Not to mention that deluxe edition, effectively paying a tenner just for two animations. Better off getting a custom set of toilet rolls with an EA logo pattern to wipe your ass with.

[PizzaSteve]

Cambrand need to worry about the game and not what Joe says cause Joe is gonna be Joe. I do think the Ultimate Edition is a joke. They could add more content for a better value. I'm tired of paying full price for less content so I'll happy wait for a GOTY edition.

[Wenapee]

""It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton."

Thats like almost admitting to release an unfinished game, because release date (holiday 2015) was more important for EA then to have a proper game full of content.

If they really would have wanted to release the game in its current state, then at least release the season pass free of charge. You can even advertise it on front of the game cover "includes free season pass: 4 new worlds to explore"

[PizzaSteve]

I'd been glad if it got delayed to add more content but for EA it's a must to release it before the movie. I really think people should hold off on this game and buy something more worthy.

[SegaGamer]

"It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

When he said that, he completely screwed up. He basically just admitted that the game is incomplete and that they are going to SELL the incomplete parts to us. If it's frigging incomplete, then the last thing they should be doing is selling the rest of the game to us at a later date.

If you can't fit it all in, then delay the frigging game. It's much better than paying extra for content that should have been in the game from the start.

The greed from this industry is ruining what should be the best time to be a gamer.

[Boobgrabber]

They worked so hard that they only manage 12 maps for a multiplaye only game. Yet are nice enough to sell us more for another $50. What a joke.

[alti]

I agree entirely with angry joe after watching his video. How dare some EA slime ball apologist throw around insults to retaliate.

Except the DLC comment Joe made. Which is just ignorance, not stupidity or truth bending. There will apparently be no microtransactions*.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

"There will apparently be no micro-transactions"

You mean like Overkill promised?

[Artemidorus]

Knock 30 off the 110 total and I will consider it.

[RiseofScorpio]

LOL these people dont want cheaper DLC according to those down votes.

[Artemidorus]

They either want more discount or blind fanboys who only think and go in one direction at a time.

Either way, EA are milking the Star Wars theme and the public will be paying. If you keep supporting such nonsense then they just come up with new ideas giving you less and charging you more.

[Ark_]

What happend to:
"Lets release a good, wellrounded, polished game and lets see, if people love it as much as we do ..."

... and if ppl really love it and ask for more, you create an expansion, that is worth of that name. Good amount of content - half the price of the new game.

Ahhh ... the nostalgia: It was better (for the gamers) without the (paid) DLC crap and season pass bs.

[VER1ON]

Guess those times died last generation m8, I'm feeling you though.

[Artemidorus]

Take a look at my first comment just above you. They all disagreed my comment to cut 30 from the 110 full price.

Clear to me they are happy to pay for less for a higher price.

[Ark_]

I assume ppl disagreed with you, because they do not consider buying it for 110$ and neither for 80$.

[Deadpool616]

Joe goes on a long rant about not supporting these practices. Then at 11:17 he says, "I KNOW I'm going to buy a copy myself...."

Way to stick it to them, Joe. Throw that money at them as HARD as you can and maybe...JUST MAYBE...they'll stop.

[TheBurger29]

Its kinda his job to review games and such...

[ScorpiusX]

Cool day one buy cause IDGAF what people say or think .
Can't wait to play.

[fanboysmackdown]

Enjoy you short experience then, EA loves guys like you.

[ScorpiusX]

Isn't it wonderful to be loved & return the love back , Also I always enjoy my purchase's .

[SegaGamer]

They don't love you, they love your money. You're the type of person they are laughing at all the way to the bank.

[fanboysmackdown]

You know what they say about a fool and his money? I actually think EA made that quote up too......just for you.

[Rivitur]

Can't say I care at all about your comment but I did reply so idk :o

How's that for a pointless comment?

[CaptainObvious878]

You're a parasite on the gaming industry. Well done for making gaming worse because of your pathetic self centeredness.

[slappy508]

Daniel said something really interesting in his Twitter responses. That if they put everything they wanted to they "have to delay the game a ton"
Now some developers do release unfinished games, they call it "early access". But you know what the difference is? they don't charge a further fee as Dlc when they release the rest of the game!!

[llMurcielagoll]

I saw the tweets with regards to this a couple of days ago or was it one day ago?

Anyway to the point, that his rant is about the business model mainly, he did not rant too much about the game itself, I am not saying the game does not have any flaws.

Point is, The guy completely disregarded what AngryJoe said and used "Game isn't even released yet" to dodge the real issue here. Which happens to be, pay 10 bucks extra to get stuff that you ALREADY PAID FOR IN THE INITIAL PRICE! Oh and an ultimate edition for another 40 bucks that does not tell you much except it is going to be "4 expansions"

That is typical EA crap in specific, wasn't the first time and sure as hell won't be the last.

[GearSkiN]

Rockstar hasn't charge one bit on future features Dlc and EA is selling features... That shows what kind of company you are!

[AizenSosuke]

Rockstar gives you free DLC, EA don't and selling features sigh._. shady since "1942".

[RiseofScorpio]

What? Every GTAV DLC is overpriced as hell so people buy their Cash cards.

[lastking95]

Joe keeps it real, Dice and ea know they wrong.

[Ark_]

No they don't. From their (upper management) perspective it's a smart business decision ...
That's why they only will change those practices, if ppl stop giving them (additional) money for the crap.

To be honest: I am a bit guilty myself. Bought the BF4 season pass a while ago. But I only paid around 30 bucks for it and for that money it feels quiet fair (20 maps, new gamemodes, a few new gadgets, weapons and stuff). All in all I paid 60€ for the deluxe edition and all DLC and that is a adequate price for the full package. I would never ever have bought it for the 110€ they acutally asked for it. Keyshops ftw.

[mokkeyrg2]

lol rip off dont buy it or wait for a deal!

[masterfox]

This tweets by this DICE developer proves that not only several publishers are corrupt but also the developers as well, sad very sad.

[kraenk12]

That guy is joke anyway, Angry rednecks with opinions.

[Poroz]

PERFECT POINT, Mother Fucker telling us what we want, Instead of listening to what we want. Joe's Rant was Dickish, but he has a lot of SOLID points. People should not be paying for Season passes that are not even made yet! This Fucker had no points.. NONE....What was Joe wrong about? I am still wondering. I am not a huge Joe fan either.

The Gaming Industry are the Milkers.
We are the COWS.

[yeahright2]

I'm with angry Joe on this one.

[Donnywho]

Game companies never admit their lies, but when they get called out for something that isn't true, they really get defensive.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

oh wow i would never would hae guessed an employee from dice defending their game, oh my

that little dice prick should mind his own buisness instead of justifying their scams on gamers

[Segata]

Angry Joe and EA. Let's stop acknowledging both of these dopes.
Both are overrated that whine a lot and are spoiled rotten.

[Featuring_Dante]

indeed.

[SynestheticRoar]

EA sucks, trying to rape gamers pockets.

[Featuring_Dante]

As much as you guys yell in the comments for the past 7 years, i dont see anything changing. I'll lay it flat for you, most of the people who yell and banter in the comments about DLC, are actually the people who wind up buying them.

[kotaku77]

Good old Joe spitting truth to your faces, take that!
Please people, let's all do something: don't buy this game

[Tctczach]

This makes me worry about what they are going to do with Mass Effect Andromeda. 60 bucks for every piece of content is so stupid.

[s45gr32]

There's tomb raider rises with 200 microtransanctions, MGS V has microtransanctions. They are not free to play games but $60.00 games with microtransanctions ugh. I guess we gamers are better off publishing the games

[BABY-JEDI]

Star Wars battlefront is a bog standard shooter with a beautiful Star Wars skin. Sadly, the force of the added DLC content is weak with this one!

[s45gr32]

It still amazes me that during the PS One/PS2 era games were cheaper, had more game content, no dlc, microtransanctions, season pass, etc. Gone are free unlockables, cheat codes, map editors, minigames, etc. What is even more amazing Amazon sells console games cheaper than retail stores/ps store and xbxo market place combined. I really hope Fallout 4 succeeds for the fact that if mods take off on consoles that would decrease dlc/ microtransanctions.

[jmc8888]

It amazes me you don't understand how much the value of your dollar has dropped.

$50 is 2005 money is now over $130 in 2015.

If you mean from earlier, like 2001, then that $50 is equivalent to close to $200 now.

I don't like it either, but sometimes you have to look at what is the dynamic driving the situation.

There's two.

#1 The dollar (and other fiat currency) constant devaluation (and gamers ignorance of this FACT)

#2 EA is a Wall Street company, that needs to keep pace for the shareholders

That's why you get all this. For #1, Blaming EA is like blaming your mom for why it's raining.

For #2 you can blame them, but since #2 was generally forced from #1, then it should also be taken into account.

The other thing people need to realize is they made this game in about two year, if not less, which is far less then 4-5 most games take. People need to get their head on straight and realize this isn't going to be a Fallout 4 sized game, because Fallout 4 started being made around the time Battlefield 4 was being made.

Let's see if you could build a AAA game (even if it's only about 60 percent of what it should be) in two years while adhering to a the exacting specifics of a loved franchise (the Star Wars universe), trying to push visual boundaries, while at the same time making sure the bugs from the Battlefield series didn't creep in to create a clusterf.

Of course they could lower the price, but $60 today is jack nothing.

In 1994 you could sell an ounce of gold for four SNES games.

In 2015, one ounce of gold will buy you close to TWENTY PS4/XB1 games.

People need to put things into perspective.... Then realize how much they are getting screwed wage wise. Has your income kept up with inflation? NOPE!

Game makers understand that, but their costs are skyrocketing, just like yours, and that's why they do all this other stuff. Because that $60 today is like charging $20-25 for a PS2 game.

[Segata]

Um no. Inflation is not that high. Games I bought for 70 dollars in the 16 bit era so 20 some years ago now equal a 100 bucks. 50 bucks 10 years ago is more like 60 now.

[s45gr32]

Ok so why is Amazon able to sell console games cheaper than retailers/PlayStation Store and Xbox Live Marketplace. Second, EA is not a gaming company but a corporate business. Corporate business only care about their product making money not if is good or bad. Third, Star Wars Battlefront took two years to make, to tie it with the new Star Wars film "The Force Awakens". Lastly, during the PS One/PS 2 era console games were cheaper than NES/Snes games.

[esmittystud101]

It EA and Dice, they have a season pass every year no matter what game it is. Angry Jo should have ranted like five years ago. LOL

[MilkMan]

Angry Joe was right, EA is up to their old tricks. Trying to discredit Joe on Twitter is low. If you've been playing vid games longer than 3 seconds you know EA is the second cousin of Mephistopheles.

[dillhole]

Honestly what do people expect? Next gen graphics and experience, rising production costs yet still expect everything to be dirt cheap forever. Do people not understand how money works?

Games used to be £60 when I was a kid in the early 90s. With inflation that works out waaaay more expensive than it is now. They also used to be a lot cheaper to make - like 100x cheaper to make. They also used to be a lot smaller and took much less time to finish. Plus there was no online. People need to stop moaning. Games are really good value and have gotten much cheaper with time.

[scark92]

I am with Angry Joe in this one.

[Maul_T_Pass]

I 100% believe the guy when he says nothing was cut from the game and turned into DLC. I also believe 100% that there was a 'base game' and 'DLC' chart on a white board somewhere in the office depicting which content would be in the core game and which content would be 'created' for DLC.

[DillyDilly]

If Developers are gonna call people out. They gotta explain why they are wrong. Otherwise the developers are just as stupid as Angry Joe

[Excalibur]

So glad I'm not picking this up.

[Kalebninja]

$110 for 1 half and another half at most is more like it. Its bullshit if they think anyone would fall for the idea that they would create content equal to another game for dlc.

[Antifan]

Thanks, this clown at DICE just confirmed the game is unfinished, which was Joe's entire point. Thanks EA, you just saved me money. I don't buy UNFINISHED GAMES!!

[PickAShoe]

pretty much lol

[Orionsangel]

Remember when you bought a game and everything was already in the game. Those were the days.

[Iceman X]

Angry Joe calls himself a journalist huh? and can't do basic research. Star Wars season pass tells you in basic English what you get (next 4 expansion packs 2 weeks early access). Fallout 4 season pass tell you what you get also. No one is hiding anything. And what's even more funny is that IT'S OPTIONAL. You don't have to get it if you don't want it.

http://starwars.ea.com/star...

[Tankbusta40]

I'm sure some content was cut for Dlc... Come on this happens in every game... I find it funny people are siding with dice just cuz it's angry joe

[ICANPLAYGAMES2]

Cambrand is just mad as anyone in his position would be, because no one likes getting called out on their b.s. So, just because this structure was planned from the beginning, content wasn't witheld? Fair enough, but the intent to nickel and dime consummers was always there, though (which would be the trap Joe's referring to).

[noksucow73]

Never really cared for Angry Joe. Don't see what all the lore is with him. Now AVGN is great, but Angry Joe never interested me.

[Segata]

Just a loud spoiled uninformed dude bro.

[noksucow73]

Yep

[JOWAPPO]

shiiiiiiieeeeeeet.

[Ra3030]

Here I'll take this one for Dice and do it the N4G way and sorry if someone beat me to it.....
Response from Dice..
"This Angry Joe seems well, ANGRY! Says "we're holding out content" hummmm what content Joe? You gotta link........TROLL! The End!
BTW Your welcome Dice!

Now if I said the same thing about say Microsoft or Sony here on N4G I'd be called a Troll and I'd be ask if I had a link and then I'd get a N4G ban for trolling.
How does this Angry guy even get the time of day on this site, on any site?

[PaulKersey]

Instead of this DICE guy just saying "he doesn't know what he's talking about", how about explaining WHY he doesn't know what he's talking about. You know, state FACTS about the game instead of keeping gamers in the dark.

[Doodleburger]

DICE lost it's ability to create good games after 2142,and even that game had a myriad of issues, but it was still leagues better than 3 or 4.

[susanto1228]

That's just want angryjoe wants lol......more popularity...most of the time Angryjoe is spot on gonna check out this video...

priceless

[cheameup]

I cant wait till the game comes out so the people who want to play it can do so and have fun and everyione who wants to complain can find the next thing to whine about

[lobocob]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're already fully committed to loving it and it's everyone else that has a problem?

[cheameup]

Not really. I played the beta and liked it allot.

It's a video game. I'm gonna buy it , drink beer , play it and have fun.

A company can charge what they like for their content. I fully respect everyone's right not to buy it or like it. But complaining about it constantly is just a waste of time.

It's just a video game. It's not the revolution.

[kupomogli]

Uncharted 4 was delayed because it wasn't ready. Plenty of games are. Battlefront was set with a release date and instead of delaying it to give you the full game, they're charging the cost of another game to give you the full experience.

[JOWAPPO]

Sounds about right.

Delay? No, gotta get it out in time for Christmas.

Why? no reason...

[DillyDilly]

"Stop lying about our game. We didn't have time to finish Battlefront, so give us another $50-60 if you want the rest of it when it's done."

[Gamist2dot0]

Well, this is what happens when you combine EA with Disney. :/

[lobocob]

as someone who buys just about every major release at launch because... I have a problem 😉... you gotta be super gross to make me not buy your game. ea is being SUPER gross and so obvious about this and it doesn't matter because they know Star Wars fans can't help themselves... which is an awful thing to do.

[ASSASSYN]

Totally agree.

[SynestheticRoar]

Daniel looks like a dick in that pic.

[X-23]

Joe constantly gets in hot water for the way he represents himself in these "Rants" when people don't like what he is saying, but what these guys need to understand is that Joe is a consumer, he represents gamers to the utmost degree.

He isn't complaining about DLC, in fact he says multiple times he is willing to open his wallet and pay for content that he things is worth it. ALL gamers feel this way about DLC and microtransactions.

Stop trying to make his message seem like it holds no validity. Instead, why can't they ever take the feedback and be constructive with it. Are we supposed to take these practices lightly and smile in their faces and be gentle with the way we address the problems we have with their current business tactics and think that maybe they'll find it in the goodness of their hearts to change something?

It's not going to happen that way.

The problem is this industry has become pro's at segregating the gaming community, they give us titles like "Hardcore Gamer" and "Casual Gamers", "Elitest", "Old School Gamers" all this bs and people buy into that crap and as a result there is no unity anymore so GAMERS as a UNITE can't get anything done, for every one gamer who makes a statement about a certain practice being wrong or about certain devs lying to us, you have 6 more who are going to white knight the game because "Oh, it's an Xbox Exclusive" or "I'm playing on PC so I get this or that.".

This is why we see all these FPS games releasing with no singleplayer right? Titanfall did it, full price game, Evolve did it at full price, Battlefront, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty Blops 3 for last gen won't have campaign either. It's because nobody addresses the situation and it's always being swept under the rug.

Yes you can blame the industry, these review sites where people are getting paid to sugar up the mess of the games they play so they can sell like hotcakes, but gamers have to accept some of the responsibility in this too.

Clearly, Joe has a voice...doesn't matter if you don't like him or not he does speak for gamers, and based on what has been said in regards to his response, it should just show you how big of a disconnect these guys have with their consumer. Why is it that a huge Triple A title that is widely anticipated can't release anymore without some kind of controversy surrounding it. Is it that difficult to make decent choices?

[cheameup]

I agree with allot you say, and i find joe's rants amusing at times , but I don't think it is possible for EA to make a game that won't get hated on. If they released the game and it played the same as battlefront 2 with better graphics everyone would be up in arms that it is battlefront 2.5 not 3.

if everyone unhappy about the game just shuts up and doesn't buy it the market will decide if they made bad choices. But you know what most people don't care.its only a minority of people buying the game who even read gaming media .

There is such a double standard. Uncharted 4 will have a season pass. Are the masses going to rant about that and boycott the game ?

Personally I haven't bothered finishing a single Player FPS in a year. It is the most tired genre in gaming. I'm happy to have only online Games.

[FN4GM]

He may represent you, but he doesn't represent me, I make my own choices and decisions about what I choose to play or pay for as it pertains to gaming, I dont need some middle aged guy throwing a fit to get attention to help me with my decision making.

[AgentSmithPS4]

Divide and conquer. I'll buy it eventually if it's worth it.

[ABBAJESUS]

Still some people spend 20$/month wich is 240$ per year for some mmo.

[Hassassin]

I have no problem paying for game expansions as long as they're Witcher 3 quality content.
Also Far Cry did this great with Blood Dragon.

[FN4GM]

Other then getting attention I dont really understand why people like Angry Joe make a video to blow a gasket over something that you can simply choose not to purchase, no one is forcing you to buy it.

[lobocob]

this logic works if there were other options that offered this type of experience with the worlds most popular ip

[ASSASSYN]

Yet when you look at the entire formula implemented by ea it consistently looks like ea is trying to get us to pay more for less with each battlefield game. Battflefront is just another addition to that apparent plan.

[ooquis]

Angry joe says it like it is....you can't handle the truth then keep on walking.

[windblowsagain]

Best angry Joe vid was the night the xboxone was shown.

But he is correct. Games are getting beyond a joke in price and content. Considering these consoles are easier to work.

As cerny said. Time to triangle.

[metalgod88]

I totally agree with Joe on this. They're destroying the game industry. We need to stand up and say no to EA. We're not taking this anymore.

If it takes longer to develop, oh well. I'd rather wait a year or two and have all the content and pay $60, then get the core game and pay $120 and get the other content later...

[kenwonobi]

Well all this accomplished was confirmed they are releasing a incomplete game. Which they admit. I'm not buying a game without the story. Especially in which they admit they could take their time to finish but chose not to just to push a unfinished products forcing me to buy future dlc to reward their lazy design choices. Which by the way are financially motivated to strip me if my hard earned cash. I love this franchise but I'm not rewarding them for half ass greedy work.