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SkyUI is Going Under a Paywall

Noobfeed Writes: "SkyUI is the first of likely many essential mods that have put themselves behind a paywall, and only time will tell which mods will follow the same path."

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badjournalism3719d ago ShowReplies(3)
Hazmat133719d ago

good for them, all the hard work they put into the mod, they should get some money out of it. (grabs popcorn)

morganfell3719d ago (Edited 3719d ago )

People think this will be a good thing eventually but it will not. People act as if the mods will also drastically improve but they won't. It will cause a lot more mods to be thrown at a game and most will be equally worthless. Wading through all the trash to find the diamond will be even more problematic. Mods for money rather than love of the game. Devs that are already lazy and complacent leaving more work to mod makers. Yes that has success written all over it.

I would like to see The Witcher devs step forward and block monetization of mods.

HammadTheBeast3719d ago

Well they're releasing their own modkit, but it's up to Steam how they work it out. Maybe they can allow mod hosting on GoG (owned by the guys who own CD Projekt Red).

Roccetarius3719d ago

Before Witcher 3 i'm positive they would block monetization of mods, but currently i'm not sure. The only way to know is to see what happens when the game releases.

morganfell3719d ago (Edited 3719d ago )

CD Projekt and/or the 6 publishers can forbid the monetization regardless of the delivery platform, including Steam. Monetization of mods on any game isn't the decision of Valve and Steam (unless they own the game property) but rather the relevant IP holder.

HeavenlySnipes3719d ago

Pretty sure there are already hundreds of shitty Skyrim mods out already. That's what sorting functions are for

As much as people are upset, I also support modders who have spent countless hours making our game more fun and are now asking for a little bit of money. People are throwing stones at them as if we're all entitled to their mods.

Also, being paid for something is more incentive to make sure the mod stays good/becomes better to keep the income comings, rather than trying to fix things for free and having angry people tell you how much you suck all while they still use your mod.

morganfell3719d ago

I also support mods. That is why nexus smartly has a donation application. Then good work can be freely rewarded and monetary compensation is truly earned.

Deividas3719d ago

@heavenlySnipes

They are not "asking" money for mods..they are "demanding" money for their mods. Big difference. If they wanted to ask for money, go with the route of tips and donations. Demanding money for mods is pathetic and toxic to the PC gaming community, no way to spin that into a positive at all.

Revolver_X_3719d ago

@Heavenly

SKYUI has been around for quite some time. I'm sure they have gotten their fair share of donations at this point. I have the latest version, so I guess their gonna add some petty stuff to justify an update purchase, no thx.

yellowgerbil3719d ago

first I'm not a PC gamer, but I do make content and freely distribute it online (webcomics) I am currently testing taking my work to a convention and selling it as a physical release, yet am continuing making the webcomic and keeping it free.
There is a big difference between greed (taking something once free and charging for it) and trying to make a living doing what you love (making something a bit more professional and offering it to those interested, while not shutting out the many that love your stuff)
Again as said this isn't a exactly similar situation, but I think it is a bit low to take something away and force people to pay to enjoy what was once free. Those modders should instead use their mods as a way to show what they can do and find some like minded people and make a game, use the mod to reach an audience and try to kickstart something, instead of being drug dealers (first times free...)

MRMagoo1233719d ago

The newest update is already on pirate sites, as a matter of fact so are all the now pay for mods, I get my mods from nexus tho , steam is a pile of junk for mods. This new idea of paying for mods on steam will die a fast death, no one will pay for them, especially considering the modders only get 25% of the money.

morganfell3718d ago

Saw this posted:

"eople who claim to "not understand" the backlash are either being cute in an attempt to make a point or are blessed with an incredibly short memory. Much of what now costs money in gaming used to be just a part of the experience. Some monetization is to be expected, but if you can look at the state of DLC, paying for the privilege of playing your games online and companies creating more and more vectors for DLC injection and be happy with the situation, I don't know what to say.

PC and mods have gone hand in hand since day 1. Mods have fixed broken games that have become known as the best the platform has to offer, from Arcanum to Baldur's Gate II to Oblivion. Bethesda allowing this for their games is particularly abhorrent, as much of the enjoyment out of every single one of their games has come from the long shelf life provided by modders.

Modders like Oscura have made careers out of their abilities and naturally formed fanbases. OOO saved Oblivion and Bethesda hired him. Very often, modders like him would create things that would be much better than anything the base team could come up with.

Just as often, though, they would create something that would break your game and you'd have to either uninstall or fix it. But hey, they were free, so no worries. Now, unlike say, DLC on XBL, there is no quality control and a price tag. Valve cannot reasonably test every mod that goes up for sale. But they can still make money off allowing the sales of broken mods through their service.

If you're still "confused" as to what the big deal is, Valve has essentially set up an easily abused system of monetization, with no possibility of oversight, no possible repercussions for people selling broken mods and no actual benefit to the end user. Combine that with their legendarily bad customer service, the immediate censorship that took place following the decision and the fact that this flies in the face of the very heart and soul of PC gaming as it has always stood, and maybe some of the "confusion" will start to fade."

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TrollsBringer3718d ago

You know what's gonna happen in the future? Someone will release a torrent full of all the paid mods.

OmegaShen3719d ago

Its no mods anymore, its called dlc. Can't cry about paying for dlc if you are willing to pay for mods.

Dasteru3719d ago

Well congrats Valve. You have just effectively destroyed the modding community.

Fireseed3719d ago

How would you feel if you went to work tomorrow and were told "we're not paying you anymore, you should just love to do this"

Yi-Long3719d ago

Nobody is/was forcing modders to create stuff. It was about the love and joy of creating and sharing cool content and improving everyone's experience, as a community.

Now it will just be about greed.

Also, your comparison makes no sense. People work to make a living, so when they stop getting paid, they'll find another job.

Fireseed3719d ago

@Yi

No one forces musicians to make music, and yet when they do it would benefit them to be paid to continue to do so.

And to some modders that's the only thing they're good at. So why not make a living in it?

fallacious3719d ago

Great logic there. Now instead of game devs actually finishing games, like bethesda and their "completed" games. now they can just release even more half-assed games and have us pay for mods to make it "better".

Fireseed3719d ago (Edited 3719d ago )

@fallacious

Yes, that is exactly what's going to happen. Games are only going to get rough geometric shapes as characters and will now cost 400$ a day to play. Gaming is ruined, the past time you know and love is dying. All because an artist wanted to get paid for their work.

fallacious3719d ago

If these artists wanted to get paid, they wouldn't be making mods and distributing them for free in the first place. No one asked for mods to be paid for, probably not even the modders expected this.

Fireseed3719d ago

@fallacious

Actually, yes a good amount of modders have wanted this for a while. Most modders modders would like to spring into a full on career but this industry is VERY hard to crack into.

DragonKnight3719d ago

@Fireseed: OMG, you ARE that thick. No one was making a living off of mods. This was never anyone's job. Until now you couldn't sell mods, so your examples are not even close to being the same thing. Mods were always a gesture of good will from devs to the gaming community, modders took advantage of that good will gesture and made the most out of it out of passion. There was never an expectation of making a living off it. Geez.

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edqe3719d ago

No, it is up to mod makers. Valve is not forcing mod makers to sell their mods.

kma2k3719d ago

so should i download it now & fuck the paywall in the future? Or i just wont be able to get updates & why bother at this point?

Revolver_X_3719d ago

Its just a UI. I don't see what they could add that would be a MUST HAVE over the version on Nexus. Kinda stupid if you ask me.

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89 million Steam account details allegedly leaked, but no one seems to know how

A LinkedIn post from Underdark AI made the discovery, stating that datasets are being sold for over $5,000 on a known black market forum.

Cockney47d ago

Biggest hack in gaming history if true

Christopher47d ago

No personal details, mostly account names, no passwords. Likely would need other account leaks to hope that someone reuses a password with a similar account name on another already leaked service. While a lot of users, the data is useless. Kind of notably by the $5k request for the data.

FinalFantasyFanatic45d ago

Plus, if you have 2FA enabled, then you were at zero risk anyway, from what I've read, Steam isn't even recommending password changes as it's apparently unnecessary.

VariantAEC41d ago

@Christopher
Where are you getting that from?
The linked article above says, "The seller claims this is a “fresh” leak and says it includes usernames, passwords, two-factor SMS logs, message contents, metadata, delivery status, and other sensitive details." Which sure sounds like they might have a lot of other information. If this leak is legitimate I better stop hearing people falsely say PSN is the worst secured digital storefront (even though that hasn't been true for a very long time with far larger data breaches since 2011 all over the world including the Equifax breach which was several times larger).

VariantAEC41d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic
That seems true only if you use Steam Guard. If you opted for T2A via SMS the article suggests it's time to make the switch to Steam Guard and of course change your password.

Christopher41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

From the credit URL: https://x.com/MellowOnline1...

The article doesn't do a good job of going into the updated detail, they just mention part of it.

Just because the seller claims something, doesn't make it true. If it truly contained that data, it would be worth way more than just $5k. SMS systems don't rely on getting passwords for accounts they're sending an SMS to, just the username, phone number, and timestamp info.

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Profchaos45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

You don't remember the psn hack I take it

Cockney45d ago

I do remember it being 77 million, thats why I made my comment

BlueDaBaDee46d ago

Update:
"Valve has now confirmed that “this was NOT a breach of Steam systems” and users do not need to change their passwords as a result. However, it continues to recommend that you set up the Steam Mobile authenticator for extra security."

https://store.steampowered....

Fishy Fingers46d ago

Shame. I liked the idea someone paid 5 grand just for my silly steam name.

DivineHand12546d ago

The government needs a taskforce with serious fundung that can opporate across borders to go after cyber criminals.

It is getting out of hand and it is the regular citizens of the world that suffer the consequences of these hacks and breaches.

My fear is that if left unchecked, state sponsored hackers from corrupt or governents under sections may use this as a method of raising revenue at the expense of everyone else.

Fishy Fingers46d ago

Bro teeing up a Mission Impossible movie.

ZeekQuattro46d ago

Not in this administration. If anything hes been dissolving existing task forces meant to protect consumers.

Amplitude46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

Why? They’d just use the funding to funnel hundred of millions of dollars into fake NGOs that then funnel it into democrat pockets while doing zero cyber criminal defence work.

Then if anybody tried to defund them it’d be a whole thing with the mainstream media claiming that there will be endless cyber attacks. NGOs would then fund protest groups to attack anybody that supports defunding the government’s cyber attack defence branch and then it would turn out it was also being used to stabilize or destabilize governments in other countries and overthrow elections to benefit America. Which is fine until they start using it on us again.

Let’s just not. Private companies who know what they’re doing (Valve) can deal with it

RIP USAID. God bless

Profchaos45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

It's not a may use this not we know state sponsored attacks do this already.

It's a global problem you couldn't have one government playing world police it would require joint collaboration with foreign governments and the problem is many laws have not kept pace with advancement of technology.

even then it's hard to say with certainty if an attack was a state sponsored attacks or a cybercriminal group operating outside of governments

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pwnmaster300046d ago

remember when certain groups were saying PC gamers don’t want other subscriptions because it was not safe and steam was the spot lol.

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badz14946d ago

it's time to riot, right, pc gamers??

pwnmaster300046d ago

Be careful, PC gamers are the most touchy out of the gamers lol

staticall45d ago

@badz149
@pwnmaster3000
Have you guys actually read what was «leaked»? It was SMS messages from 3rd party provider (not from Steam itself) with one-time 2FA codes (that are active for 15 minutes). No Steam account details, access to an account or any of that jazz.

Let me quote official Steam response:
«The leak consisted of older text messages that included one-time codes that were only valid for 15-minute time frames and the phone numbers they were sent to. The leaked data did not associate the phone numbers with a Steam account, password information, payment information or other personal data. Old text messages cannot be used to breach the security of your Steam account, and whenever a code is used to change your Steam email or password using SMS, you will receive a confirmation via email and/or Steam secure messages.»
Source: https://store.steampowered....

The only bad thing about this is the phone numbers. But while that sucks, attacker doesn't know which Steam account this phone number belongs to. IMO, the only thing people should be rioting about is how unprotected the SMS are and the 3rd party service that was used by Steam. I'm all for punishing people who screwed up and/or lacked the security. But this is not it.

FinalFantasyFanatic45d ago

Why riot? They have nothing of value, can't even steal an account with the details they have, they would have to attempt a brute force attack, you can already do that with a Steam user's account name (or any account on any site) if you really wanted to spend the time and processing power to do it.

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Codebros Studio comes from Thessaloniki Greece and presents us with their new horror game Unmourned which you can check out now on Steam.

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