PS4 Receiving Massive Performance Boost in Future From Team ICE: Insider

Well known industry insider Tidux has teased some massive performance boost is coming to Playstation 4 in future from Team ICE. Tidux described those performance boost as "completely Bananas."

[aceitman]

well its been stated before , like its been said many times ms can boost x1 as much as they want sony can do the same . so will the performance gap difference get closer , imo no. and to hear massive performance boost gets me excited to hear it can be even more powerful.

[thorstein]

I'm glad that says ICE and not DICE. If it was DICE then all PS4 games would rubberband and have glitchy lags. ;D

[TheSsus]

huehuehuehuehuehuehue

[GameNameFame]

Just for context,
There has been many reports some rumored some from semi official source of Team ICE working on many optimization projects even including "tiling".

To be honest, the whole MS and power increase was just desperate PR rush because of the massive power gap. Just look at PS3 early gen and late gen. Ofc both X1 and PS4 will improve as things get optimized.

Xbox fans were just desperately buying into the PR. Fact is, if there is really good processing method, it gets ported to PS4, too. They have almost identical architecture.

However, PS4 is more powerful, so it gets more benefit from that software. As matter of fact, DX11 features have been on PS4 for a long time.

[NewMonday]

KillzoneSF and inFAMOUS:SS is the PS4 in it's normal Saiyan form..

..at E3 Uncharted4 will show the Super Saiyan PS4 form.

[NewMonday]

this is so fitting..

https://twitter.com/Guerril...

[metalmatters]

by2016 we will see PS4s Super Saiyan 3 form

[Saigon]

@GameNameFame

While that is true, some forget that some of the feature of DX12 are already available in OpenGL. Its hard to swallow this truth pill but what can I say, its the truth.

OT:

If you thought this wasn't going to happen, get out from under the rock. This move was expected. Like last generation, its going to be counter punch after counter punch from both sides.

[tokugawa]

gamenamefan.

so if microsoft says they can boost the perfomance ob the xb1, it is desperate PR.

yet if sony says the same thing, the it is 100% truthfact.

typical n4g comment

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

and this still hasn't been posted up to Gaf or reddit /r/PS4. :/

[IceKoldKilla]

^^^^ :D (My name)

[pyramidshead]

To be fair it makes sense. If the ICE Team were the brains behind the cracking of the CELL then I imagine they'll make performance increases in strides with simply architecture and what not.

[Eonjay]

Well, its already the top performing console, and as we know, all console performance increase over time. This is too be expected. Stronger components generally have a higher threshold for improvement as well.

[DarkArcani]

@tokugawa
"so if microsoft says they can boost the perfomance ob the xb1, it is desperate PR.

yet if sony says the same thing, the it is 100% truthfact."

Only problem with your comment is that this isn't Sony saying it.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Most Def. (although, DICE does good work, when not rushed)

-This is ICE, ICE Baby .. TO COLD/COOL.-

[SonyMontana]

Sony to MS: "F*ck your cloud!".

[randomass171]

Don't forget being rushed out and buggy crud.

[GameNameFame]

@Tokugawa

I said ofc console will both get optimized, I said it was desperate PR to make it like it was some magic sauce that X1 can only handle.

DX11/12 gets ported so fast on OpenGL it is not even funny.

Stop taking things out of context cause you are desperate.

[kingPoS]

@Eonjay

You're right, Microsoft has already overclocked the Xbox One's CPU & GPUs just to keep up. PS4 as it is now, can pushed hard, and coded down to the dye if necessary. Room for improvement: the PS4 definitely seems to have that potential as well.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[Docknoss]

Insider....

[Lord Anubis]

if i remember correctly cerny said they were replicating the SPUs on the current arc, also they already have 1000% performance tiling

[tokugawa]

@ darkarcani oh yeah, it's tidux (never heard of him) and thuway the shill

@ gamenamefan desperate?? lol great comment kid.

[Consoldtobots]

honestly who cares anymore.....

It excites me because I will get to enjoy a better gaming experience on the PS4 but as far as what advantage it has over the xbone I couldn't care one iota less because I have absolutely no interest in microsoft's gaming offerings. Their console could be twice as powerful and it wouldn't make a difference to me. I know who I go to for my gaming entertainment.

[palaeomerus]

"and coded down to the dye "

HA HA HA HA HAAAA! It's "die" captain technology expert.

In semiconductor speak a die is physical continuous piece of silicon(unless it is an exotic semiconductor) in a device.

A core is a processor that runs a thread of a program independently usually in parallel with helper cores. A die is a continuous piece of semiconductor. A package is usually a grouping of conductor linked dies mounted into a single PLCC and sold as a complete device.

Coding to the die doesn't really make much sense either.

You always code and optimize code to the device. The parts of the device will determine what that means but you do not code to the individual parts as that is an insane waste of time.

"Coding to the metal" is slang that means very low level coding to a specific device exclusively (as opposed to a more general range or class of devices) which usually makes for hard to reuse or port code that is highly optimized. The advantages of this usually show up best in a highly specialized task for a device to accomplish.

Dye is a pigment for coloring hair and fabric or marking something for visual contrast like a body on a microscope slide.

[Magicite]

"completely Bananas"? what does that even mean?

[DigitalRaptor]

The same thing as PS4's E3 lineup being "bonkers".

https://twitter.com/Tidux/s...

[BX81]

Thuway.... "I find it hard to swallow".

I can tell when it comes to Sony you have no problem swallowing.

[mogwaii]

Oh come on!

[DOMination-]

Stop monkeying around

[joab777]

No way!!! I thought the ps4 wasn't allowed to ever optimize its machine. Thats how MS was supposed to catch up. Lol! Jk, but ppl act like u can bypass or catch up with tech. Maybe xbone is able to get to 1080/60 on many games, but in the process the ps4 will begin to use other techniques to improve gameplay and visuals.

[randomass171]

Honestly, I don't even care which one is ultimately more powerful. Hearing both getting more performance enhancements is awesome in my book. Games on both systems will ultimately look better if it's all true. :)

[adorie]

"Completely bananas"
Now the PS4 is going to get a potassium boost.

PS4: Nutrition Awaits.

[thereapersson]

I see the banana Lobby has gotten ahold of you. Dandelions are where it's at when you need a potassium boost... ;-)

[MRMagoo123]

Only tapas eating wine drinking hippys eat flowers.

[mogwaii]

Me too, i NEED to see this machine really flex its muscle.

[solar]

no one should be a bitch and talk shit about either Sony or MS saying they can boost their consoles power output. i dont own either console yet, waiting for The Last Guardian before i buy a PS4, but never trust a hardware developer until it actually happens.

[nosferatuzodd]

it has begon lol

[XiSasukeUchiha]

So to all people that's says PS4 can't be boosted here's a ha!

[randomass171]

Naysayers must now eat their hearts out.

[Visiblemarc]

Yeah and we can't forget the highlight here...

We ALL expected ICE to get the most out of the PS4. After seeing what they did with the PS3, it's just logical.

So for someone to be shocked at what they're doing with the PS4, that is VERY intriguing.

If this leak is accurate E3 is going to be insanely impressive.

[Blaze929]

So is this as much BS as Microsoft's Secret Sauce? Or since it applies to a Sony product, it must be realz?

[zeuanimals]

I don't think anybody doubted the X1 can improve, the problem is a lot of people were thinking that would close the gap when they were told time and time again that the PS4 would improve too, meaning the gap wouldn't close. Software can change, but hardware can't.

[Blaze929]

yeah yeah, excuses

[dantesparda]

Yeah, yeah excuses? The truth is not a excuse. Yeah, yeah denial, Stop acting salty.

[troylazlow]

I'll believe it when I see it. Smells like PR to me

[TheSaint]

Just like I ask MS, where's the proof Sony?

[microgenius]

proof?
just look at their previous works
uncharted 2 3 TLOU on ps3
werent those boost in PS3 performance?
some of you xbots are disgusting

[TheSaint]

@microgenius, I say the same thing about MS articles with the same headlines, not much of a genius are you.

I even said the same in my comment, try actually reading the comment next time, you won't look so foolish then.

[strifeblade]

I'll believe it when I see it. All I hear is talk...

[microgenius]

@Thesaint
so what?
doesnt change any thing
go play those games to understand my point
PS3 is very cheep now!!!!!!

[ats1992]

Ill believe it when i see it. According to fanboys you can't get extra performance from software upgrades since they say DirectX 12 won't do anything for xbox one. In all seriousness both consoles will get upgrades and performance boosts.

[GTgamer]

"According to fanboys You can't get extra performance from softwareupgrades"

False what everyone has been saying is that theirs only so much you can get from software upgrades not that it won't help ʘ‿ʘ.

[ats1992]

No i have seen plenty of people saying that DirectX 12 won't do anything for xbox one. Especially on this website and dualshockers. They say i'll believe it when i see it when it comes to xbox one but when it comes to the ps4 getting a software upgrade they don't even question it.

[Baka-akaB]

That's not what most said , except idiots that dont matter anyway , just like the xbox's most rabbid fanatics .

Most were doubtful the software boost would mitigate some hardware advantage . And enough argued that the vague PR about dx12's biggest boons would obviously concerned pc first and foremost , then have a less substantial effect , but one nonetheless on the xbox .

Like said multiple times , both sides are obviously going to improve on the software side . But unless Sony teams ends up being bad at optimising , the hardware gap wasnt going to magicially disappear

[amiga-man]

ats1992

Nobody is saying Dx12 won't do anything they just point out like this article shows Sony will be doing the same,

the xone will always lag behind the PS4's specs no amount of software upgrades are going to change that.

[ats1992]

@ Baka-akaB

I never said the ps4 wouldn't continue to be more powerful it will still be the more powerful console. I'm just pointing out that a bunch of people were saying the xbox one can't get a performance boost from DirectX 12.

[dantesparda]

@ats1992

Sony fanboys dont think that DX12 wont do anything. They just dont think that its going to do as much as MS fanboys seem to think it will. Sony fanboys also are trying to make the point that while X1's software may get better so will PS4's thereby negating any software advantage. Kapeesh?

[SoulMikeY]

Ats1992

Have you forgotten that Microsoft have turned into the least trustable company? Sony hasn't let a single person down with the ps4 yet. Everyone that was on the 360 train went to the ps4. Anyone that bought a Xbox One, did so after a ps4.

[DeadMansHand]

@ats. Dualshockers are a joke. I'm a die hard Sony fan andi can't stand them. Using Twitter updates as news and submitting hundreds of biased "news articles" on here daily. Please don't lump all ps4 owners into their camp.

[Kayant]

@ats1992

No one said that. What people said is that it isn't going to lead toward a 50% overall boost in performance like that neowin article was suggesting not even MS themselves said that. They said it could lead to up 50% in cpu performance not supposed giving performance boost that was equal to getting a GPU that is 2X as fast.

Also XB1's API already has some DX12 features so how much the other things will help once added is unknown and like everyone is saying as XB1 is catching up to XB1 current performance PS4 will also be improving so that gap will always be there not even factoring the difference in GPU and memory setup.

"raditionally this level of efficiency was only available on console – now, Direct3D 12, even in an alpha state, brings this efficiency to PC and Phone as well. By porting their Xbox One Direct3D 11.X core rendering engine to use Direct3D 12 on PC, Turn 10 was able to bring that console-level efficiency to their PC tech demo."
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...
http://i.imgur.com/xxNpozh....

The biggest beneficiary of DX12 is PC and mobile.

[Baka-akaB]

@ats1992

I know , i'm just telling you those people were a tiny minority .

Many more people were just saying the biggest boost from DX12 will be on pc and mobile . Hell while wording things ambiguously with a bit of PR , the DX12 presentation and demo clearly present that .

Meanwhile there was a fraction of fools , soulmates of their sony obsessed equivalents , that wanted and still want to believe there will be some miracle cure for resolutions issues or some 40-50 boost when not more ... because of the combined effect of DX12 and the almighty power of the cloud .

There will be a boost , but it's time for those folks , to get that the biggest one will be for pcs

[Charybdis]

Should always be suspicious of such claims. http://n4g.com/news/1488572...

edit: In limelight also don't forget thuway saying "One final thing for the warriors. If the Xbox One gets any perf. gains from DX12 or better APIs- PS4 will get the same amount if not more." http://www.worldsfactory.ne...

However now the ps4 is rumoured to get performance gains the story is. "But if it is true, the Xbox One to PS4 port differences will grow much larger if devs choose to make PS4 versions shine."

[G20WLY]

^ats1992, lol, so why don't you tell us who these mysterious people are?

Y'know, since there's this whole "bunch of people" that say XBone can't get a boost from DirectX 12, but also "don't even question" this PS4 boost from ICE team...

I'll make it easy; just one example will do.

I'll wait...

[Benchm4rk]

@SoulMikeY

So everyone that bought a Xbox One only bought one after buying a PS4. Thats funny because I dont see a PS4 in my house but I own a Xbox One!!!

[amiga-man]

The PS4 will continue to dominate in performance it won't change no matter what MS would have you believe

ats1992, of course it will do something there is no point doing it otherwise, it's just that Sony will be doing stuff too the difference in power between the two consoles is not going to be bridged in software.

[ats1992]

Never said the ps4 wouldn't continue to be more powerful. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying DirectX 12 won't do anything but they say this will.

[imt558]

There is no hypocrisy. Problem is, ATS1992, Xbone fans think that DX12 will close the power difference between Xbone and PS4 or it will be a thin power difference. That's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Gap is wider than mostly think.

[Sevir]

It's not hipocracy, Software improvements won't Mitigate hardware performance disparities between the 2... 1.3 Teraflop isn't going to become 1.84 teraflops because of DX12... And that's what people have been saying when fanatics and fanboys latch on to the belief that It will suddenly make the XBO on par with the PS4 on Raw performance...

What Direct X12 will do is reduce the coding overhead and give far better optimisations within the performance parameters of 1.3 Tflops. So code that uses 70%, that over head may now use 50% to achieve the same results or greater...

This Holds true for optimizing any code for better performance, and if MS is working to mitigate performance bottlenecks on the XBO then the same holds true for the ICE team and the PS4...

So stop yelling hypocracy. These performance gains is just allowing these consoles to use what they have Better, more efficiently and less resource intensively.

[MRMagoo123]

@ats1992

If you want to see hypocrisy go look in the The last of us remake news and see the xbone comments about how remakes suck , then next go to the halo remake collection thread and watch how they all love the idea of remakes.

[randomass171]

I'm not one for making predictions about winners, but it looks pretty dang likely that PS4 will walk away in the number one spot. That being said, I think Xbox will provide healthy competition for Sony.

[azure1990]

I like how these people are disagreeing with your statement when it's true. All they've done was bash Xbox one the DX 12 saying it wouldn't
Do jack $hit. But of course when a performance boost is
Coming to PS4 it gets much praise. Then they deny they've said anything about the x1
And DX 12. Sorry but Microsoft is top notch in software when Sony isn't. So when it comes to software performance Microsoft will have that advantage

[quenomamen]

I tend to agree with but why don't we go back through the last seven months of N4G articles and count how many X1 secret sauce, DX12, Cloud ones there have been and how many PS4 secret sauce articles. What is it like 60-10 ? 60-20 ?
There absolutly no denying who has been shoveling the Bull the deepest for the past 9 months. But yea, Sony just make games.

[imt558]

If Microsoft is software company, HOW IN THE WHOLE WORLD SONY HAS THE MOST USER FRIENDLY API FOR DEVELOPING GAMES IN CONSOLE MARKET? Great design architecture in PS4 and great API ( PSSL - PlayStation Shader Language ). Developers praise Sony's API language.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

no. everyone agrees you can upgrade your drivers. what WONT happen is a closure in the 30-50% hardware difference via a software update.

its like having a civic and buying a modified ECU. sure it might get you a couple of horsepower, but its not going to turn your engine into a V8. Also, theres nothing stopping the guy with a V8 from installing his own updated ECU for some more power gains, thus mitigating any gains the guy with the 4 pot got with his ECU upgrade. Make sense?

[schubacca]

Equating a PS4 to a V8 engine and a X1 to a four banger is laughable. Both a 4 cylinders, but the PS4 is more powerful. You are making it sound like the PS4 is packing tri-titans under the hood....

[ThatOneGuyThere]

Xbox One GPU has 12 CU(768 shaders)
PS4 has 18 CUs (1152 shaders)

not sure how this isnt a a 4cyl vs. 8cyl.. I guess its more like a 3.5 v6 vs. a 2.4 I4? I was drawing a clear picture, and by the agreements, I would say most people understood. The fact remains that its a HUGE advantage that cant be programmed out. You're being a little silly.... lol

[MasterCornholio]

According to rational people the GPUs can't grow more cores and the power supply doesn't contain an additional GPU. Software will help the system reach its maximum potential but it will not improve the hardware.

[Kribwalker]

There's no getting through to most of the small minded individuals in this place. Sony is all powerful in there eyes and always will be. They have never lied before, never broken a promise and have always had the greatest games. They don't look at nintendos fantastic lineup of exclusives, they trash everything MS does, and when sony pulls a 180 they are brilliant and great for listening to fans. I've stopped trying to have logical conversations on this site and have started to go strait trash talk since I have one bubble and can't stick up for anything anyways. ATS we all know and they all know that the majority of them are massive hypocrites, they just don't want to hear it or believe it.

[SoulSercher620]

You are the last person to be calling someone a hypocrite. Just a small look into your comment history proves that.

[Baka-akaB]

Get over yourself already .

Just make a list of the sony trolls if you will . Call them out already by name , instead of pretending everyone is the same .

Then you wont be able to pretend anymore that "No people said XXXX" when you look at a tiny list of fools and one bubble trolls , in threads with more than 200-300 posts

[MRMagoo123]

WTF are all you xbone fantards even doing in this thread gtfo for a change and go circle jerk somewhere else. Every PS4 news thread has some spastic xbone fanboy bring up hypocrisy yet they all do the same friggin thing. Its really starting to get annoying.

[SoulWarrior]

Probably because it's all MS can talk about and we haven't seen anything for it

[Spotie]

Hey, why don't you list some of these people? Wanna wager they're know-nothing trolls you couldn't be taking seriously in the first place? Wanna bet there aren't more than one or two of them?

Why single out a small, ignorant group as if they're some majority, and ignore the larger group of people looking at things more realistically? That makes you look like you've got some sort of agenda.

[TheRealHeisenberg]

The biggest agenda on N4G is anti-MS. Denying makes you look like the one with an agenda.

[Spotie]

Who denied anything?

It's no secret, and it's not limited to this site: most gamers aren't big on Microsoft, and with good reason.

If I have an agenda, it's to dispel stupid generalizations like the one ats is failing to perpetuate, and that you're failing to defend.

What's your agenda?

[blackout]

And this is why this site is SHIT. Now it's believable for the ps4 to receive a performance boost but not the x1. Ps4 fans ARE FULL OF THE BIGGEST SHIT EVER. This site is ran by Sony fans, just look at all the contradictions. Enjoy your ports (The Last Of Us), remastered God Of War (How many are there)cause we all know Sony doen't have the money to compete. They made there splash last gen with exclusive because they had no choice. This gen they follow in Microsoft's footsteps and run back to the 3rd party. Money rules the world and Sony is running out of it and fast. Enjoy those ports and indie games ps4 fans cause that's all you have. LOL

[Regis]

Calm down bro its an article and no one is forcing you to read the articles and comments. With comments like yours and many others no wonder the world is a little sour. You can't just close the window? If you can't take what people say on this site like "Oh! I'm in favor of Sony or I'm in favor of Microsoft!" Just get both consoles. I'm have fun enjoying the pros that they both have.

[guyman]

Lol at the most ridiculous fan kid comment of the day. Did someone p**s in your coffee? Ha ha ha ha ha so far the only last gen exclusive port known from sony Is one of the most critically acclaimed games in existence the last of us. sony as well as Microsoft are benefiting the industry with their new found interest in Indies. Now to highlight your hypocrosy: halo 1-4 has been strongly rumoured to be remade for xbox one, we know about halo 2 already, so you're one to talk! Also, your beloved respawn, developers of titanfall IS AN INDIE DEVELOPER. Sony have sixteen first party studios with multiple studios creating AAA games, you are so ignorant! Lol guess what? Remedy, respawn, insomniac and capcom are 3rd PARTY DEVELOPERS. Pretty much all the exclusives so far for the one is from 3rd party developers, once again, hypocrite! Enjoy one half of the pie while true gamers will experience best of both worlds in the form of Microsoft and sony!

Try harder next time

[DigitalRaptor]

Funny. You complain about PS4 fans, but go on a ravenous Microsoft defence accolade proving your guilty of the same things you're hating on. Really funny.

PS4 fans were (like common sense, non delusional individuals) saying that the performance gap could not be closed by software alone, and that hardware is more important when talking about the potential of hardware.

So... Mr. defensive. Show me evidence of people who said MS could not provide ANY software updates to improve and optimise performance. Nope, there is none.

What this is, is proof that whatever SOFTWARE gap Microsoft is working on to try and remove the perception that Xbone is significantly weaker hardware (which it is), Sony's experts can also be doing the same thing. The hardware gap will always remain, and the software gap will always remain. Don't get butt hurt that we're being logical about it, and you're misinterpreting everything and getting all defensive like only a delusional person could.
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"Enjoy your ports (The Last Of Us), remastered God Of War (How many are there)cause we all know Sony doesn't have the money to compete."

How many of them are there? Ummm, about as many as Microsoft are working on, that's for sure. I will enjoy whatever game comes my way that I like the look of, and TLOU (one of the most accoladed games of all time) is just one of them. If it's a port so be it, but it doesn't change the fact that PS4 has more games, and better rated games, and always will do. Look it up.

And the line about Sony not having the money to compete proves you hate logic and hate the facts. I spoke about this before the consoles were even announced. I tried logic with Xbox fanboys who said the same thing about next-gen console hardware and that "Sony will not make another powerful console" and that the 720 will be more powerful "cause Microsoft has more money". It didn't work, cause they didn't want to use any kind of logic, and still don't.

Look at just how wrong you guys always are. It's funny.

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"Sony is running out of it and fast."

Fast?? LOL. They're not Capcom. Sony has $18.6 billion net worth. They have lucrative entertainment divisions, and significant loss making divisions that continue to lose them money. They have $151 billion of assets alone. But somehow they are going the way of the dodo cause idiots and fanboys write about yearly losses, that are steadily declining each year.

ROFL. For sure.

I'll enjoy having a superior piece of hardware for the long-term, with better value across the board, better multiplats, better developer support, more games, more diversity from ALL kinds of games. And I won't have a console that that has the disadvantage of having its "vision" neutered by Microsoft themselves cause they were being slain in marketshare.

Best of all, I'll have a console that was "for the games, for the gamers, for the consumers" from the VERY beginning, not just now that they've seen they're losing to the competition.

Good luck in your future "arguments" but you'll never win any kind of debate with anything you're going on, that's for sure. Just do yourself a favour and go back to MisterXMedia blog and hope for the best for your console of choice.

[Majin-vegeta]

Dont like it go somewhere else.Here I'll help you.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/#...

http://misterxmedia.livejou... <----- Lol

http://www.reddit.com/r/Xbo...

[JMyers]

You are genuinely ignorant... How many articles on here in the last 6 months about this "secret sauce" from MS? The Cloud, DX12, Kinect giving back 8%... Now you're complaining about one regarding the PS4?

MS needs these articles because they launched a gimped system. They are trying to distract the likes of you from the real issues. That being the X1 is underpowered, with forced voice support. But hey we don't need this Integral Kinect now... The console can now have more power right?

BS messaging. Worshipping MS although they tried spewing DRM and always online down your throat. That energy should have been spent on making the system better before launch.

[JP1369]

Well, you dolt, they're saying that DX12 won't help that much because it's designed to let devs get closer to the metal and optimize the way a console can. The X1, as you might well know, is a console. The CPU and GPU are already optimized to the point that DX12 probably won't help that much.
Another point that is often made (one you conveniently seem to ignore) is that optimization only brings you closer to the potential of the hardware. Since X1 has weaker hardware, software can only do so much. It will never be as powerful as PS4, but it will be better than it is now. They both will.

[randomass171]

Minus the part where you decided to call him a dolt, I agree with this completely.

[Evilsnuggle]

ats1992@

A big difference between xbone and PS4 is HUMA and GPU ACEs or Asynchronous Compute Engines in the PS4. The PS4 has a huge advantage with ACEs compute units PS4 8 ACEs vs x1 2 ACEs compute unit 400 % more ACEs compute units for PS4 . Also more ROPs double the ROPS of xbone 16 ROPs PS4 32 ROPs . Also xbone doesn’t have HUMA Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access because xbone doesn’t have Uniform Memory. But PS4 does have HUMA. No HUMA because of xbone memory architecture users Esram on the APU . Xbone doesn’t have one pool of unified memory. The PS4 has one pool of unified memory. So it's actually a hardware advantages. But if Sony development kits doesn't take advantage of these advantages then neither Will the game developers.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

im actually pretty sure that you can get BIGGER software optimization gains from originally faster hardware.

something about math..

if you improve both consoles output by 10%, the PS4 would have increased by more. there is likely no "catching up" possible for the xb1.

But, dont fret, it doesnt make the XB1 a sh!tty system. The Wii U has some pretty nice looking games, and the XB1 crushes its face. At the end of the day, all 3 of the consoles are going to get better over time, enjoy the games.

[zeuanimals]

Mostly correct, but the X1's memory is unified. Having 32MB of RAM doesn't make the memory non-unified, it just means there's another source of RAM, though it's most likely only to be used by the GPU.

Unified just means the memory isn't split between CPU and GPU functions, its a full pool of memory for both to use and the 8GB of DDR3 RAM is capable of CPU and GPU usage. This means the system may be capable of hUMA, but I'm not sure. If the PS4 is capable, devs would be using it, but from what I know, devs aren't using it. They are using the RAM for all GPU and CPU functions, but they're not using hUMA. Maybe the ICE Team is working on making it work?

[SpinalRemains138]

Link or lie.

No link? You're lying.

[zeuanimals]

You left out a significant part of that narrative. All I've seen people say is that Xbox One is going to get updates to improve it... But so will the PS4. That's why the gap won't close, software can always change, but it will change on both, while hardware will stay the same.

[CEOSteveBallmer]

I get what you are imposing. There are blind fanboys on both sides. But GTgamer is right, "There is only so much" a software can do. like optimizations, better engine etc. The reason why sony fans react this way is because xbox fans worship the DX12 like it will magically make Xbone equal to PS4 when in fact its just an optimization code for windows, windows based devices and of course xbone. The same old thing like PR talk with the Cloud. when up until now there is no proof. Just admit MS in many ways are doing more bad than good. I mean in decisions, they made good deicions, but mostly bad as of late. I cannot understand how the PS3 could overtake 360 both in sales and games with a late headstart? i will find an article where the reason why MS entered the console business is not just because it has good potential, but they want sony gone from the gaming scene. I don't know why

[mark3214uk]

dont paint sony with the same brush as ms,normally what sony say happens,and this power boost will be a final nail in the coffin for x1

[HacSawJimThugin]

*Maury Voice* when asked if watch dogs would be 1080p 60 frames...sony answered yes and the lie detector determined that was a lie.

[mark3214uk]

@HacSawJimThugin someone at sony entered the wrong details into the DB,then some1 asked the customer service, where do you think they looked to get that info?

[MysticStrummer]

On the flip side, fanboys also tell us that only XB1 can be improved, while PS4 is already maxed out.

[AceBlazer13]

Ugh, so many insiders lately, XD literally saw an article of an insider confirming an insider's statement.

Is Tidux one of the credible ones?

@ats is that how you see it? Well let me explain. No one is denying you can get improvements, we've seen it every gen on every console. What fanboys do call out though is crap like infinite power thanks to dx12 and cloud. And another thing that irks me is MS making it seem like they're the only one working on their console and the fanboys believing it.

[sam_job]

he is the same one who leaked details about PS4 OS and User Interface correctly... and many more

[Pogmathoin]

'MS making it seem like they're the only one working on their console and the fanboys believing it.'

No, you call it sauce, but when Sony say it, its the book of revelations.... both are going to improve immensely.... a win win......

[SpinalRemains138]

Actually MS referred to it as "secret sauce".

Stop moving goal posts and rewriting history.

[zeuanimals]

Well, technically, improvements through software is something that came from Gen 7. The previous generations used hardware upgrades that really divided the userbase (Sega CD/N64 extra RAM thingy).

[BallsEye]

Boost in performance would be great but I don't believe a single insider crap nowdays. Any of us can start a website out of some simple template and make some "insider info blowout". Thuway and whole neogaf insider thing was already exposed. It's all bunch of BS. Let's wait for the games.

[DanielGearSolid]

I'll believe it when I see it

Just like with DX12

[GTgamer]

"Ex-IGN Edition, Jeremy Conard replied this to the above tweet of Tidux: "that’s what Sony should play at E3 when ND shows off the face melting work the ICE team has done"

Oh dear god I can't feel my legs ಠ_ಠ

[yellowgerbil]

PS4 you never cease to amaze me

[OldDude]

That's just scary, don't be rabid.

[Jury]

Sorry Xbone. Keep playing catch up

[Rogert]

Secret sauce

[Dread]

Lol

Only for MS.

If sony says they will boost perfomance we believe it.

[MasterCornholio]

Have a sense of HUMA.

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

Scary!!!!

[quenomamen]

Ahh that's great news and all but if I wanted to buy a console where all they did was talk about how they're gonna boost that, improve graphics there, I'd go out an get a X1. It's cool if you guys are really making substantial improvements but the gaming world already has a " All Hat No Cattle " king. We don't need two of them, just keep putting out games and doing your thing is all I'm saying.
Let the games do the talking, not some double talking PR guy.

[N8]

I bet whatever it is we will actually be able to see. No pixie dust or eye of newt. In all seriousness though I'm glad to hear this

[ruefrak]

Wasn't all this known already? A member of the ICE team said as much awhile back.

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-i...

[Notramagama]

Why do ppl assume two companies abilities and software planning are similar? Do you people just see two things with the same title and say, "must be doing the exact same thing?" Lol just shut up, wait and see where the systems are at the end of next fall. Time answers all definitively. Otherwise I don't care...

[J_Cob]

If it's true then that'll be good for Project Morpheus.

[hello12]

Sorry to bust the bubble. Tidux has already been debunked as a fake like the rest of the Sony insiders.

He claimed Watchdogs was 1080p 60 frames. Stop believing in insiders N4G, the site looks foolish for posting nonsense.

He tweeted the ps4 would have the best console experience after Sony posted their 1080p and 60 frames lie. Confirming to everyone he believed this.

Kayant@ really? http://www.worldsfactory.ne...

[GTgamer]

Lmao when did tidux say that please gimme that link.

[Kayant]

Not that I find tidux overly reliable like Mort, CBOAT and shinobi but he never claimed that he said "best console experience".
https://twitter.com/Tidux/s...

@GTgamer

IKR.... But you got to move them goalpost sometimes ;)

Edit -

Seriously how dense can you be? You posted the article which the tweet was based where in that does it claim or show tidux tweeting WD to be 1080p 60fps. Maybe you should read slower it was talking about the Sony error. "The product page at Sony’s official website mentioned 60FPS".

[MysticStrummer]

"But you got to move them goalpost sometimes"

Sometimes? It's become an everyday occurrence. The spin is dizzying at times, and that's just as a spectator. I admire their dedication at least.

[theunleashed64]

He said nothing what so ever about it being 1080p 60fps, just that it'll be better on ps4.

[lazyboyblue]

Well actually that makes me believe even more that he's a genuine Sony insider. Considering until recently Sony themselves believed Watch dogs ran 1080p/60. They even put it on their website.

[DigitalRaptor]

Stop now. Just stop.

You are the most embarrassingly misinformed person on this site and it doesn't appear to be getting better.

Tidux said "best console experience". He didn't say "1080, 60fps". Unless you believe Tidux went on the Sony site and posted that image saying it would be 1080, 60fps. Which he obviously didn't.

The link you posted proved nothing. Did you even read it? or are you trying to downplay insiders, cause a lot of them have good things to say about PS4, and not so good things to say about Xbone? Clearly that is the case. I'm sorry but you can't stop a tidal wave once it's gathered momentum.

And go and educate yourself, seriously.

[Farmassy]

Can someone explain something to me? I know that both systems will make improvements over their lifetime. However, with DX12 some people have had concerns about the X1 running hot. Isn't this problem going to be much worse with the PS4 since it isn't as capable of cooling itself off? It is a sleek and small look but the X1 is much larger with a huge heat sink and fan.

Can the PS4 be improved as much as the X1 with this problem? Will the gap in performance close at all? It obviously won't close all the way but will it there be a difference?

[uth11]

well, if this turns out to be a problem. I imagine they will start selling aftermarket coolers or heatsinks to help.

[amiga-man]

Farmassy the clock speeds are set improving the efficiency of code would makes no difference to their clock speeds, so no change in heat produced.

I will agree that the xone has plenty of space to run cool, they certainly were making sure they didn't suffer another RROD debacle, Sony are hardware guys they know how to build hardware small and sexy is what I would expect from them.

[Farmassy]

@amiga
then why are some developers saying that DX12 could make the x1 run hot? why is this not a problem for the PS4?

There were sony developers saying, "DX12 will push GPUs twice as hard leading to overheating."

I'm not just making this up. Are you saying that the improvements that ICE is making to the PS4 (which we know nothing about) are different that the improvements brought by DX12? DX12 will increase temp but that these improvements are just code and not affecting the gpu?

If it is just code optimization how could it possibly improve graphics that much if it is not pushing the gpu harder?

[amiga-man]

Farmassy, this is software designed to improve efficiency it will have no effect on how hot the machine runs, all it will do is allow developers to get more out of whats on offer.

As for closing the gap with both sides doing the same kinds of improvements things will remain pretty much the same, although I remember seeing something about when compute is used more, because of the PS4's unified memory the gap could extend in the PS4's favour.

[Farmassy]

No. I am pretty sure there has been A LOT of talk about it making it run hotter.

Here is a link where they say that it might cause heat problems with the X1: http://wccftech.com/devs-re...

I'm just saying that if this is at all a problem for the X1 it is probably a bigger problem for the PS4. Its small and sexy but it runs warm

[hello12]

The fan is huge in xb1, CPU will be fine. Directx12x type features for PS4 would be an issue. The PS4 already runs much hotter than xb1, a fact.

[Nekroo91]

The ps3 runs hotter tha the ps4, so whats the problem with that?!

Are you scared already because you weaker system will become even more weaker?! and btw directx 12 wont increase the heat!!!

[FITgamer]

PS4 runs hotter in idle, Xbox One runs hotter during gaming.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[WeAreLegion]

If you haven't noticed, Sony's engineers are out of this world. Not just the PlayStation ones, either.

[Bytor]

It might make it run cooler because your still using the power now but doing less with it like running your car engine with bad plugs and old oil change them now your car will have more power and run cooler.

[uth11]

This is no different than the "secret sauce" arguments from XB1 fans.

The PS4 and XB1 architecture are similar. Yes, the GPU and Ram on the PS4 is more powerful, but at their core, they are both AMD 8-core Jaguars with Radeon GPUs, so if there's a trick that boosts the PS4 performance, chances are it can be adapted to the XB1 as well.

The PS4 isn't going to suddenly get a software trick that makes it 2X, 3X more powerful than an XB1

[amiga-man]

It isn't just the ram

Xbox One:
1.18 Teraflop GPU with 12 active Compute Units (2 disabled)
768 Shaders
48 Texture mapping units
16 Render output units
2 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 16 queues

PlayStation 4:
1.84 Teraflop GPU with 18 active Compute Units (2 disabled) // 56% higher than Xbox One
1152 Shaders // 50% more
72 Texture mapping units // 50% more
32 Render output units // 100% more
8 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 64 queues // 400% more
Xbox One:
1.18 Teraflop GPU with 12 active Compute Units (2 disabled)
768 Shaders
48 Texture mapping units
16 Render output units
2 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 16 queues

PlayStation 4:
1.84 Teraflop GPU with 18 active Compute Units (2 disabled) // 56% higher than Xbox One
1152 Shaders // 50% more
72 Texture mapping units // 50% more
32 Render output units // 100% more
8 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 64 queues // 400% more

Xbox One:
1.18 Teraflop GPU with 12 active Compute Units (2 disabled)
768 Shaders
48 Texture mapping units
16 Render output units
2 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 16 queues

PlayStation 4:
1.84 Teraflop GPU with 18 active Compute Units (2 disabled) // 56% higher than Xbox One
1152 Shaders // 50% more
72 Texture mapping units // 50% more
32 Render output units // 100% more
8 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 64 queues // 400% more

MichaelLito79
esram is a bottleneck which is why Sony chose a more modern efficient unified memory design

[Automatic79]

You failed to include esram and what it is capable of doing.

[uth11]

I said GPU and Ram.

But my point is they are both AMD/Radeon archetecture. So if there's a software trick that increases performance of one, it can be used on the other.

At the end of the day, PS4 will still be 1.4x as powerful as XB1 no matter what software tricks are discovered.

[amiga-man]

MichaelLito79
You failed to include esram and what it is capable of doing.

Sorry guys I was trying to answer MichaelLito79 and somehow my post about specs ended up posted numerous times

MichaelLito79
esram is a potential bottleneck which is why Sony chose a more modern efficient unified memory design

uth11
I said GPU and Ram.

Yes sorry uth somehow just read the ram part, but I agree their are no tricks that will help the xone make up the difference.

[IndoAssassin]

Correction. The ESRAM in Xbox One is a bottleneck due to it including only
32MB. Had it been 64MB, it wouldn't have been an issue.

The ROPs on AMD cards are generally Bandwidth bound. So both consoles have bottlenecks anyways due to their bandwidth.

[MasterCornholio]

@IndoAssasin

But then the GPU would have been even weaker due to the ESRAM taking up more space.

http://www.extremetech.com/...

More MBs of ESRAM = less amount of space for the GPU cores,

[S2Killinit]

So there it is folks. The DX12 for PS4. These are what we call updates. The gap between PS4 and xbone... Yeah its not going anywhere. In fact, more powerful hardware means the updates could be more powerful. Kinda like putting aftermarket parts on a V8 vs. a V6.

[Armadilo21]

1080p at 60FPS becomes the standard in a year or two hopefully for the PS4

[Automatic79]

The minute an insider disrespected a Naughty dog employee I lost complete respect for these so called insider's.

[abc1233]

Eh? When did that happen? That was IGN.

[XtraTrstrL]

I assume the performance boost will have something to do with integrating GPGPU usage into the SDK even better. So, crappy devs like Infinity Ward and Treyarch can't make disgusting performing, visually underwhelming engines that run like crap on PS4. It'd be cool if somehow it could be backwards compat with current games, where they get an update and the performance boost is there, though I'm sure that's not the case.

They need the damn ICE team working on the UI and stuff. I hate that the updates take forever, then come out with such ridiculously easy to run into bugs immediately. Like the no video being recorded when you hit 'share' button. It happens nonstop since the 1.7 update where you hit 'share' and there's no new video or "Press Square to Save Video" option. It makes 'share' kinda pointless at the moment. They really need to fix that once and for all already.

[SpinalRemains138]

One camp uses clowdz and fairy dust, the other uses technological advancements to assist hardware.

The performance gap will soon be as wide as Michael Strahan's front teeth.

Xbox One is going to look like ColecoVision in comparison to new PS4 games.

[SuperBlunt]

lmfao poor strahan

[MysticStrummer]

Next Elder Scrolls game on XB1…

http://s2.dmcdn.net/E0l30.j...

[MerRoids]

This is why I have both systems and a PC...

To never miss out on all the perks of owning them all. The PS4 is great, so is xbox one. They both have great games and power potential, anything like this article proclaiming more power in the future is good for us all. Positive stuff!

[StockpileTom]

What? Just as I am skeptical of any "massive" boost coming to the X1 I don't see it with the PS4 either. I will believe it when it happens. I'm sure that neither console has any games that reaches their full potential... I just don't see them unlocking much power that isn't already there...

[Jdoki]

Yeah, exactly.

Every gen we've seen games get better and better for every console. Tools / SDK's get better. Resources get optimised. Developers become more familiar and experienced.

Why we need all this 'secret sauce' talk for XB1 (and now PS4) is just pointless.

[McScroggz]

It's fine to be skeptical, although I will point at (an I don't know if this is 100% official) that they reserved about 3GB of RAM for the OS and as a buffer for future changes. It's very likely at some point within the next few years that at least 1GB of that will be permanently allocated towards games. It's not that unreasonable that this rumor could be related to that plus some software optimizations.

Granted I don't think this rumor will be related to freeing up RAM.

[Illusive_Man]

So its a massive software boost using tiling. PS4 api is already extremely efficient, so what other techniques are there that will give those extra bananas boost? The hardware will still be the same.

The difference between the X1 and PS4 from the start has been not only has the X1 been slightly weaker hardware wise but it has also not had the benefit of an efficient API or SDK. All of those have been great on PS4 from the beginning so my worry is that the PS4 is already getting near 85 to 90% of its power right now.

[Jdoki]

Nah, there's plenty of optimisations and improvement to come on PS4 (and XB1).

Just look at the amount of RAM that could be freed up with OS optimisations on PS4, that's only one example.

[TechOne]

Secret sauce. oh wait....

[The_devils_chum]

"Uncharted will look insane" Playstation 4 supports hUMA technology or at least it implements a first revision of it. We have to remember that AMD haven’t released products with hUMA technology yet, so it is difficult to compare with something in the market. Besides, no finished specifications are settled yet, therefore PS4 implementation may differ a bit with finished hUMA implementations.

But first of all, what is hUMA? hUMA is the acronym for Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access. In the case of hUMA both processors no longer distinguish between the CPU and GPU memory areas. Maybe this picture could explain the concept in a easy way

[McScroggz]

My guess is they are freeing up more of the flexible RAM they have reserved. At 8 GB's of total RAM, they allowed roughly 5 GB for games with either 512MB or 1GB approximately as a flexible resource. Maybe they are scaling back the OS to about 1 GB with another 1 GB of flexible memory?

Just a guess though.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

that 3 gigs is what makes the snapping functionality possible. it isnt going anywhere.

[McScroggz]

The PS4 doesn't have snapping.

[KinjoTakemura]

There's also a separate processor that's 256MB. I don't know exactly what it's for, but i'm sure it allows more of the PS4's flexible memory to be used to develop games.

[feraldrgn]

Expected.

Can't wait.

[ADECENTBOY777]

That was so expected! Let's see the future at E3! :) Can't wait to see some UC4 gameplay and future plans! SONY, thank you for PS4, a really great console for us GAMERS! :)

[mmj]

Increasing the clockspeed of the CPU would bring the biggest boost to PS4, I'm sure a lot of games right now are CPU limited especially when developers are aiming for 60fps.

Bearing in mind that both console have the same CPU:

PS4 CPU: 1.6ghz
XBO CPU: 1.8ghz

If Sony clock the CPU at 1.8-2.0ghz it should give a nice boost and the PS4's terrific GPU will be able to stretch its legs more.

Sony will have done extensive testing to see what clockspeeds PS4 could be safely run at, it's quite possible that they clocked everything much lower than it was capable of with a view to flick a switch later like Microsoft did pre-launch.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

where has it been VERIFIED that the CPU runs at 1.6ghz?

[mmj]

Pretty much everywhere online, oh and Sony:
https://plus.google.com/+so...

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Software imposed upgrades can only really reduce and optimize stuff. Nothing else. Rather than a 'performance boost' it should simply just be called what it is. 'OS optimization'

I doubt there will be a change to the the GPU, CPU or RAMs clock speeds though since that would generate more heat and lead to potential system instabilities.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Nope.

Complete fiction.

The real story is that this is a spin piece. MS will brag about alleged performance boosts at E3. Sony is using their PR shills in the field to prepare their propaganda / marketing counter attack.

[chaosx]

At the end of the day , both will hit the magic 1080p 60 fps….. after that its the games you get to play with others that really matters. So moving on !

[Emanno]

Well done Sony

[jcnba28]

So let me get this straight. When the Xbox One is rumoured to get an increase in power it's all "LOL" "Yeah right" "DX12 is a joke" but when it happens to PS4 it's all praise?!

Only on N4G.

[EXVirtual]

No one said that DX12 won't help for the XBO. But like me, people said that it won't allow the xbo to push in front of the PS4, as many people seemed to believe.
Stuff like this is not rare. It happens every friggin' gen. Just goes to show how many people DON'T know what they're talking about.

[Rimeskeem]

Im glad to hear both consoles are rtying to beat one another in power

[raymantalk1]

where is geargeenoob strange he aint made a comment on this lol :)

[larrysdirtydrawss]

he's doing yoga at Richard simmons house

[ratchet426]

I think Sony has several opportunities to improve PS4's performance, and so does MS with the Xone:

1) Both can and will tweak the OS to optimize the performance and potentially "give back" memory to game devs that is currently allocated to the OS.

2) Both will add features to the OS in terms of UI improvements, more functionality, etc.

3) And I think Sony* also has an ace up their sleeve and will bump the clockrate sometime next year to either match or exceed the clockrate of the X1 (1.75Ghz) The PS4 is sitting around 1.6Ghz now but we all know the G/CPU has a theoretical max of 2.4Ghz (I think) I would expect Sony to bump it to something under 2.0Ghz for heat reasons, but even 1.8 would be a significant improvement overall.

*MS already bumped the X1 to 1.75, but who knows if they are able to go higher.

[Brettman2008]

PS4 has also been designed to take advantage of compute, put CPU tasks (eg physics) on the GPU.

[Brazz]

well... when a think about this thing of "boost" Cpu clock i ways image this:

1º) 1º generation cosoles, made to work whit clock X.

2º) years of work and firmware...

3º) 2º generation consoles ( slim models or just carry a new chips), build for clock of X+20%...

4º) firmware update, make all consoles work on X+20%, old consoles will work, but they will overheat and die... (they are already 3-4 years old, you will think that time is the responssible...)

5º) custommers go buy 2º generation (the second console) consoles, all of then can work X+20%, console get better, and no one notices what happened...

6º) repeat the cycle again, util a new gen arrives.

[THC CELL]

Let's say they boost the ps4 X2 omg it's possible

[teo72]

Mantle boosts low power cpu's about 45% in PC's (estimate for BF4). A PS4 is a much more streamlined peace of hardware, and therefor a higher boost is likely.

From article:"If the number you are giving me is true, than it really is game over Xbox One."

This quote indicates that the boost is significantly higher. How much higher, and how this will affect the GPU and the games is unknown. But it certainly got my attention.

[thexmanone]

The PS4 can not handle the heat. The PS4 will not see a boost like the people are talking about here. Just saying

[reko]

based on? xbox can handle it but they cant?

[thexmanone]

Based on my own experience. I could play my xbox for hours and it is always cool. But when my son plays his PS4, after a hour it gets really hot. And yes it on a hard surface and is in the open. So any kind of performance boost is going to cause more heat.

[Shakengandulf]

We are talking about software here, not hardware.
Hardware is only as good as the software that drives it.

[reko]

nah now youre trolling. i could say the same thing about xbox. yeah youre a xbox troll.

i checked your comment history nice try tho.

[teo72]

API entails a software boost, not hardware boost. So the clock would still remain 1,6Ghz. So we can expect a minimum of 45% increase in perfomance in the CPU, but it seems likely due to my aforementioned reasons to be significantly higher. GPU boost, if any, is unlikely from what I've read. But I could be wrong.

So a new and improved API would not cause the PS4 to heat up.

That being said. Due to the fact that my PS4 allways remain rather silent (as long as I remember to vacuum the front air-intake from time to time as dust will settle there), then I can easely see a clock boost of 20% being realistical; and would likely not cause overheating issues. Then again, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Illusive_Man]

First not only is the X1 CPU clocked higher but it has access to more memory bandwidth on X1 (68 GB/s access 5 GB DDR3) vs PS4 (shares bandwidth with GPU but is locked at 20 GB/s).

PS4 APIs are already good at multithreading. DX11.2 is terrible at multithreading and suffers from massive overhead at the hardware abstraction level due to heavy OS and the API itself.

PS4 has a small case, with a power brick embedded, heat increases due to CPU overclock would definitely be a major problem.

Again as I have said I don't think the PS4 has as much room to improve as the Xbox One from an optimization perspective. It is already highly efficient and optimized for maximize speed, power, as it is stupidly easy to tap into its bandwidth and the embedded hardware.

X1 takes more work, newer engines, and optimization of ESRAM, render targets, etc etc. It is working with a SDK devs still complain about and does not have the API it should have launched with.

Massive boost seems like a PR stunt. But I do agree certain tools will see improvements. But don't expect 2K gaming or anything...

[Bytor]

Ps3 has 7 cores running at 3.2ghz in a smaller box with a larger die size. I'm sure it can handle a speed boost.

[teo72]

Ps4 CPU has access to much more memory bandwith than the 20GB from the GPU. It also has access to the main memory pool at 176GB/s.

Secondly the OpenGL API was created for PC, not the PS4. Therefor it is likely that it will have just as big a potentional for improvement.

It also generates less heat due to lower clock frequency.

I expect a significant boost for Ps4 CPU, but little or no boost for the GPU. Time will tell.

Remember, this is the very first time anybody tries to improve the OpenGL API for any console. My logic is this: the less bottlenecks there is in the system hardware(this case PS4), the more likely it is that the system can attain the maximum theoretical boost. Remember, OpenGL was not made for UMA, and definitively not made to run in Gddr5 Ram.

And since E3 is less than a Month away, something tells me that we will know soon enough. This is not the kind of thing Sony/Team ICE will keep quiet. Sony will flaunt it prowdly.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

tokugawa + 3h ago

gamenamefan.

so if microsoft says they can boost the perfomance ob the xb1, it is desperate PR.

yet if sony says the same thing, the it is 100% truthfact.

typical n4g comment

because this is the ice team,the best in the business when it comes to tools/software. when they talk you pay the fk attention

[horndog]

Right! And when they say pull your pants down and spread them bum cheeks you do the fk just that because it's the ice team. Go sony

[Immorals]

Both consoles will be further optimised. End of. No need for fanboy comments.

If you are a fanboy, no matter what console you choose, you chose badly. Real gamers go with what gives the best games, and this generation is looking like a winner for all 3 platforms (not including pc as a console!)

[JMyers]

In simple terms...

The PS4 is more powerful than the XBox one.
Both will imporove over time, through software. But hardware limitation cannot be overcome.
As a result the PS4 will maintain it's lead in power and performance.
The Cloud and DX12 is still unproven.

[lemoncake]

It will be a straight copy paste job of dx12 and amd mantle, the samsung strategy.

[horndog]

Those indy games will look amazin

[ballsohard2013]

i got a ps4 but im still waiting for some true next gen games to play on it... years planning and we get this crap. Thank god for watch dog because this 6 month lineup thus far is trash.

But its weird that when its debated that X1 will get performance boost its bullshit... but when its about ps4 getting a boost, the majority of people on this forum lay on their back for a sony teabagging...lmaooooo. Gotta love fanboyism

[Shakengandulf]

Lets be honest, you don't own a ps4.

[ballsohard2013]

give me ur email addy or video chat... im gonna send you a file with all my systems but with it ima have my ball sack draped across the top. LoL

Ima a gamer not a fanboy. I own ever console and while own every future console fanboy. why? Because i like the ps4 and x1 exclusives. Also as with the last generation... certain multiplatform games, some play better on a specific console.

Pull the sony dick out your mouth and open your eyes and be a true gamer. Unless you cant afford to own all consoles then thats understandable.

[Shakengandulf]

Yeah..... Nah.
I'd start by stop whining like a little child, as for the balls and dick comments.. Just going to pretend i didnt read that.
As for owning of every system... Good for you mate, good to see you have more sense than balls.
If your initial post didn't come across as a whiny litle bitch, i may have believed you.. But you just sounded like those ten year old trolls.. Yeah i have a ps4.... Its got no games, where's the next gen stuff, the line up looks trash.. Blah blah blah. Thats you.
You'll live buddy, lose the shit attitude though.

[Jrmy84]

Well of course the PS4 performance is gonna increase and increase by a non fictional amount, by a true percentage. I knew this was gonna happen after the DirectX12 thing which OpenGPL can already do what DirectX12 can do soooooooo. I can't wait to see E3 it's gonna be fun to watch................

[BMS84]

Nice counter attack, not even from Sony:)
MS needs to talk about cloud, they need to, to
stay relevant..
Good for me that i own the better console and the more powerful PS4;)

[Scatpants]

Wow PS4 has secret sauce too.

[MrZweistein]

Need some salt please ...

[Drasill]

I don't trust Thuway. He has proven himself a rabid PS fanboy who is almost never right.

[GamingSinceThe80s]

I just what games worth playing already f%#* a boost.

[isthe]

does anyone know if this means a new version of the PS4 is gonna be announced?

[0P-Tigrex]

No. It will more than likely be a firmware update.

[chaosx]

i just hope they use this power to make fun multiplayer games , My PS3 /4 are my Solo campaign consoles , where the 360/xb1 have been my fun multiplayer games. But I'm tired of forking out for games on the PS that give 1 play through and lame or no multiplayer.

[Hozi]

hmmmm....wonder how big a difference in power this will be.

[Jack_Reacher]

Im a massive ps fan. But this is the same as the x1 stories. Its all just hype till we see it implemented. So fingers crossed its not all smoke and mirrors.

In fact please dont be smoke and mirrors.

[DarXyde]

Improvements? Sure.

"Massive performance boost"? I'm skeptical. Both machines are pretty much to-the-metal and I'm not expecting anything remarkable from either in terms of performance gains.

As I've said before with DX12 on XBOX One, I could be wrong. I guess we'll see. I'm still not buying "massive performance boosts" for either if I'm being honest.

[mmj]

Sony can still increase clockspeeds if they like, Microsoft already did that pre-launch in a futile effort to close the performance gap.

[Adolph Fitler]

XBoners have no chance of there beloved XBone being as powerful as my PS4/Wii-U knockout combo. Once the games start flowing from Somy's inhouse studios...well, we all know the rest. I personally can't wait to get my hands on Wolfenstein for my PS4 on Tuesday.

[Azzanation]

Do any of you actually read? Both consoles will be optimise in the future for better graphics however DX12 will be doing something exclusive (Unless OpenGL find a way to do it) will be balancing out the CPU cores which both next gen consoles lack.

Regardless of the power difference, as long as the developers have the power they need to make the games they want it doesn't matter who has more powerful hardware. Mario Kart 8 to Halo 5 to Uncharted 4 will all look better then any other 3rd party game and there only exclusive to there consoles. 3rd party games are best on PC and there's no debate on it.

[Adolph Fitler]

This shite happens every gen....even the cartridge days held promises of power boosts & such...But, nothing ever came to fruition, oh except maybe Nintendo's bodgy special 3D cartridge tech with SNES, that was even more expensive for 3rd parties, so only a couple of 1st party games enabled the tech...not exactly a power boost, but maybe the closest thing to....oh, & lets not forget Sega's MD?Genesis disk based add on, that basically only played video, & thus flopped big time... People need to just be happy with what they have got...Simple, if you want the more powerful machine, buy a PS4, if you want Gears, Halo & the other MS exclusives, then so be it, buy a XBone....It is not that complicated & these BS upgrade articles are a crock of shite that have been thrown around since the cartridge based console days. People seem to have short memories, or weren't even born when these machines were going around.

[gamer7804]

WAIT! consoles can get better through driver/firmware optimization!!?? this is crrraaaaazyyy!? thanks insider! /s

[donman1]

The gloves coming off this E3. Rumored that Naughty Dog will be showcasing what the PS4 can really do.

The most important line from the article.
"...But if it is true, the Xbox One to PS4 port differences will grow much larger if devs choose to make PS4 versions shine."

[Chaos-Dad]

http://www.redgamingtech.co...

Maybe...

[Kennytaur]

Just as with any console ever. Some insider information... It'll likely be primarily down to CPU improvemts akin to what Microsoft is doing to the Xbox.

[joeorc]

I see quite a number of people making the claim," if Microsoft states it its just PR, but when Sony does its taken as a fact"

well when you have a person like Mark Cerney heading up on "in engine level performance development" for a platform, people tend to look at what experience does that person have to be able to make such claim's!

example: back in 2010

The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences (AIAS) has announced that Mark Cerny will be the 13th inductee into the Academy's Hall of Fame, which is bestowed upon individuals who've contributed a significant advancement within the industry.

the president of the AIAS states:

"Mark Cerny is the closest we have come to a modern-day Da Vinci," said Joseph Olin, president, AIAS. "He is a diversely accomplished game designer, producer, programmer and technologist. Fluent in Japanese and one of the foremost Western experts on the Japanese game market, he's also one of the only top-level independents in a business dominated by institutions. His contributions to projects have been phenomenally successful, with sales of almost two billion dollars and over a dozen titles each exceeding two million units in sales."

SOURCE Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences

http://www.prnewswire.com/n...

its like this people:

look who is in the hall of fame! Cerney is one of the now 18 members! there is less than 20 people inducted since the early 1970's.

Mark Cerney is one of the people who other people in the industry who work day in day out perfecting the craft, who ask him for Answers on Questions they may have!

you can bet your @ss when mark Says they will have performance gains there will be performance gains!

[joeorc]

Again:

Cerny: PS4 devs will get more out of the hardware in 'year three or four'

"Much of what we're seeing with the launch titles is that usage; it's very, very quick to get up to speed if that's how you use it. But at the same time, then you're not taking advantage of all the customization that we did in the GPU. I think that really will play into the graphical quality and the level of interaction in the worlds in, say, year three or year four of the console."

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

remember this is one of the less than 20 d@mn people in the Hall of fame! saying this, if you want to doubt his experience, go right ahead, but other's in the industry who work day in day out tends to listen to what he has to say!

[KinjoTakemura]

The hardware is already in place. Sony just needs to give programmers and developers the tools to learn how to use it, if they haven't done so already.