Doubling the speed? Not really, according to some developers.
2015 is not far off i am skeptical but would love to see what MS is cooking in their software labs to make such bold claims
They never made the claims in reference to XB1. It was the author of the author of that article that did that. MS were talking about PC development when they were talking about those improvements and showing the graphs but yh it will be interesting to see what happens. Though I honestly don't see the XB1 getting a 2X improvements across the board just because of DX12. Even if the CPU is less bottlenecked than before at the end of the day the GPU can only do so much. @deathisgamesok XB1 also has had one for a while - Mono driver --> http://www.gamechup.com/xbo...
Only people making a huge deal out of this were Xbox One fans who are always looking for the second coming of secret sauce from the clouds. Gamers who have gamed for a very long time know that hardware is the first step to high end gaming, then software. If Ms couldn't get the hardware right, software is not going to drastically change the problem. You can put make up on a pig but beneath all of those updates, the Xbox One is still weaker than the PS4. The sooner Xbox One fans realize that and come to terms with it, the sooner we don't need to fight over every exaggeration of the secret sauce from the clouds. Let the games talk and so far, PS4 games prove the hardware's power and efficiency.
I think this doubling the performance thing is silly. What I hope, and I think people should be more realistic and not get their heads in the clouds (no pun intended), is that DX makes a marked improvement. Doubling the power just seems fantastical.
Yes Kayant, I'm glad somebody else noted this. When MS talked about DX 12 they did mention compatibility with the XBox One. They did also mention potential gains of 50% on CPU efficiency. On a separate slide that had nothing to do with the console. Gaming Bolt just totally misrepresented the information, and people seem to be reading whatever they want into every vague statement that has come out since. MS have not even pretended to quantify the advantage this will offer the console. Not so much as a hint that I have seen.
@whathappened, "only people making a huge deal out of this were xbox one fans" you say that right before writing a paragraph about the thing lol..from what I've seen, the people that are making the biggest deal about it are the ones trying to disprove it. go to any dx12 article and its comment after comment about how it'll never work
@Volkama I agree 100%. I remember the article that said DX12 will have potential gains of 50% for CPU efficiency...and then fast forward a few weeks and it has been taken completely the wrong way. A lot of people who accused others of being "armchair developers" are feeling pretty silly now seeing this come from multiple industry professionals. You don't have to be an engineer, or a developer to doubt software could magically double the power of a piece of hardware. DX12 will most certainly improve the efficiency of the console for developers, but deep down, did anyone truly believe the X1 would get such ridiculously high performance benefits from it? Seriously? The dude in the article who made that claim even clarified that he didn't mean it literally.
Except the whole thing is by design. MS knows exactely what they are doing when they spread such rumors as true.
@whathappened "Only people making a huge deal out of this were Xbox One fans who are always looking for the second coming of secret sauce from the clouds." Bull. Look at most of the DX12 articles on this site. Heck - look at just about any article dealing with X1 hardware. The first and most vocal people are those in the Sony camp saying that it is all some sort of fairy tale. Sure, some Xbox fanboys go the MisterX route and start claiming five and ten times performance gains, but for the most part, people who are interested in the console are optimistic about what could come to be. It's the Sony fanboys coming into those articles to push their agenda who continually pick this fight that you speak of. "The sooner Xbox One fans realize that and come to terms with it, the sooner we don't need to fight over every exaggeration of the secret sauce from the clouds." Or you could just stop fighting now and enjoy your PS4 without worrying about what is going on with the X1. You've already decided not to buy one, so it won't affect you. Wouldn't your time be better spent enjoying your superior PS4?
I find it funny how in the previous article Xbox One fans dismissed our comments because they said we were not developers, that we do not know anything about game development. But now that the developers themselves are agreeing with what we stated, those same Xbox fans are still in denial. I feel like our words don't even matter anymore. Xbox fans want to believe what they want to believe and there's no stopping them. Blind faith in their Xbox religion full of clouds and secret sauce. In the end, gamers will be happy about the games, and Xbox fans will still be waiting for secret sauce.
@Lukas I think you probably can double the efficiency of hardware through software revisions. But the existing software has to offer a pretty bad starting point... I don't think the current Dx API on the XBox One is single-threaded like Dx11 anyway, so I suspect the primary performance boost afforded by Dx12 will not even apply. Having said that, I think other improvements that are more specific to the console can make a big difference. I think Xbox owners can look forward to improvements because of work in other areas, and I think the Build presentation on "how to use ESRAM" was more likely to contain the answers. And of course I think PS4 owners can look forward to big improvements too. As seen previously with every console ever. @S2Killinit How would quantifiable false expectations of a 50-100% performance increase be in microsoft's interest? It would backfire hard. They aren't so dumb.
@whathappened, Intel, AMD and Nvidia all say its a huge deal and do you really think that Microsoft wouldn't make the xboxone without taking advantage of dx12. And the cloud does work, unless you live in some hut, all you need to have is basic $30/mnth internet and you should see the advantages of cloud.
"Doubling Xbox One GPU Speed" - What speed. The core clock speed of the GPU. To what 1600Mhz... well of course no so I assume they are referring to developing performance. Well, no again because the max performance is 1.31Tflops and thats not doubling. So they must that efficiency is doubled. That I can buy. @Hercules189 Current PC GPUs will also be DX12 compliant. Were they made with DX12 in mind... or was it the other way around.
The truth is DX12 still in development. We have to take everything we hear in the internet with a grain of salt even with this developers. The only thing we can do is wait and see.
"PS4 ICE Programmer: Be Suspicious of Claims" Nuff said. Nvidia, AMD, Intel and other devs etc say different lol. I guess Sony just can't afford for this to be praised much longer so now they damage control. The only thing this Sony damage control is going to do is, set PS4 fanboys in denial. MSFT is a global company making software for global hardware companies, if these companies are saying DX12 does these things they do! as if some random hating Sony guy working on inferior software is more credible than everybody else like chip makers and devs. Who does Sony sell ICE to? Does Ice have market outside of gaming and on other platforms where many folks are vouching for it? One random Sony dev not showing a damn thing *vs* hardware companies, software companies and devs either working on DX12 or showing it work.
Arghh well, its not like most of us didn't share this notion. Obviously, a faction felt compelled to champion any 'game changer' worst thing is, after all of the huffing and puffing the improvements may not even equate to parity. Crazy. Anyway, I'm sure some will move onto the next one.....recurring pattern. @less power Dude, denial about what, owning the most powerful gaming console....... thats like moaning about being rich or having a nine inch hwang... some guys
@Morepowerofgreen read the article. Theres statements from treyarch and other programmers aswell . How can you be so delusional. Your trying alot to justify your purchase but guess what?! its still weak and it always be
Always be sceptic and ask for specifics doubling the gpu power of the x1 doesn't sound reasonable with software. Could they possible double the efficiency of a specific gpu task with direct x12 software maybe, but a doubling of gpu speed seems very unlikely. Software improvements are possible but certain numbers may simply not be realistic. Same can be said of the previous claim of an ice- programmer. "PS4 surface tiling/detiling on the CPU is ~10-100x faster". in the end both consoles will get better and people will keep on exaggerating the theoretical possibilities instead of real world results.
@morepowerofdenial Just like your buddy lifeisgamesok, you didn't read the article. You read the title and the description and spewed your BS and embarrassed yourself. Congrats. And LOL at you talking about denial....seriously. Irony at it's finest. Man, you are going to be so disappointed when DX12 launches and your X1 isn't twice as powerful, i hope you realise that. Edit: You then edit your comment, including a new paragraph and yet you STILL haven't read the article, lmao! "as if some random hating Sony guy working on inferior software is more credible than everybody else like chip makers and devs." Hardware >>> software, don't even try and tell us you believe that it's the other way around. I know you're delusional, but not that delusional. The PS4 is more powerful and will be more powerful after DX12 drops. Accept it. Edit 2: LMAO! You did it AGAIN! Wow man, seriously, wow. In future, read the damn article, because you just made yourself look like a fool.
@WhatHappened, The Xbox fans waiting for the second coming of secret sauce are out buying and playing games. Look at software sales on both platforms. It looks more like Xbox fans are enjoying their consoles while Playstation fans wait for the next gen in games to arrive. It also looks like the most vocal ones crying about secret sauce are the insecure Playstation fans that labeled it secret sauce in the first place. Optimization will occur on both consoles and each will "evolve" over time like they always have. If you want to call optimization "secret sauce" and pretend it won't happen, that is on you. As for Xbox fans coming to terms with the Xbox One being "weaker" than the PS4, they know. The problem that is burning you up from the looks of it is they don't care. I'm pretty sure that is why you keep telling us about it.
@ what happened Your drunk if you think it was only xb1 fans making a huge deal. It's the trolls from both camps. They constantly need something to bicker over.
@Charybdis I completely agree. I think people misunderstand what Brad Wardell meant. He didn't mean the GPU speed would be doubled. If DX12 is more efficient it can be twice as effective with the same hardware. An API doesn't change the hardware, it only communicates with it. The hardware can only do what its told. There is a way to literally double the GPU speed but that would probably cause overheating... Also its not just Sony. "Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson" also said the claim was not smart to make.
'''As for Xbox fans coming to terms with the Xbox One being "weaker" than the PS4, they know. The problem that is burning you up from the looks of it is they don't care. I'm pretty sure that is why you keep telling us about it.''' Lmao....dont care huh...let me see....like every single power increase article is flocked too with hopeful x1 fans clasping to rhetoric. Oh, yeah, when the facts went againt that said crowd they screamed resolution didn't matter anymore but give any of em a sniff of power increase then BAM,... a whole heap of talk........ with this type of dispute, It ALWAYS takes 2 so please, cut the morality plea....peoples actions hold way more weight. Ms attackers will attack and sony attackers will attack. BOTH will defend vehemently. Thats the n4g standard. And if anybodys burning up inside I'd almost certainly guess it wasn't those who know they're on top in this regards...
@death "As for Xbox fans coming to terms with the Xbox One being "weaker" than the PS4, they know. The problem that is burning you up from the looks of it is they don't care. I'm pretty sure that is why you keep telling us about it." This. Times a million. I've never seen a group of people worried so much about experiences that other people are having and trying to downplay them as I do with video game console fanboys.
Xbox1 fans this Ps4 fans that.... STFU and enjoy your console of choice, leave this to the ones who don't have a next gen console.
I don't know why people find it hard to believe that DX12 can make a big difference on the CPU side on Xbox One. We all should know that most of the cores are idle a lot. If DX12 puts them to use on a regular basis,we should see major gains. That's just common sense. Denying that is just fanboy wishing.
lifeis and powerofgreen still unable to read full articles I see. PS4 ICE team dev is probably there just to see what the different side of the coin looks like. The rest are multiplat devs and people who even work for microsoft lol. Efficient weak hardware is still weak hardware. If the Xbone can gain this much efficiency than so can the PS4 and that's on top of how mature it already is compared to the bone. ALSO DX12 is slated for holiday 2015, guess we have to wait until late 2016/17 games to see any real difference. Xbox fanboys have been rubbed the wrong way so much now that that cling to anything even if it's to blindly swallow what anything MS shoots from the PR department.
@Kayant THANK YOU! Finally, someone realizes the developers were not talking about XBOX One. The XBOX One will likely receive a great update with DX12 but, no, it's not some kind of God-Mod-mega-hax that will double performance. Spencer put it best, where he suggested it can make a difference like going from PDZ quality to Halo 4 quality. That's realistic. It DID happen and I think it can happen again. As a side note, I think it's safe to say that, if the XBOX One had its way with the industry (DRM, always-online restrictions), it would be much more powerful than it's given credit for. The Cloud has at least somewhat proven itself and it would have had the benefit of working with every XBOX One game. That with DX12 may have made for very interesting developments. Maybe. I'm still a pro-Sony gamer, but the XBOX One would likely have been a more formidable machine if it happened the way Microsoft intended. Then again, it may not have had the bright future for games as it appears to now because Mattrick would likely still be there and Spencer would likely have taken a back seat. Oh well. No use speculating on hypotheticals.
Don't give up, MS!!!!!!!!!
@Hercules189 All you need is a 30 dollar a month Internet connection to get the power of the cloud? Hahahahahahahaha. So a 500 dollar machine just became an extra yearly investment of 300 dollars or more. Are you trying to help or hinder your beloved xbone? If someone must pay that much extra every year just to play the console at its highest power... That's pathetic.
All this talk of Direct X 12 and Cloud. Doesn't matter. The real secret weapon is MS itself. Xbox One is backed by a trillion dollar tech Titan.
@Whathappened, "Only people making a huge deal out of this were Xbox One fans" Nope! It's the Sony camp that jumping around viciously attacking this news because it simply has "XB1" and "2X" in it. Though yet they seem to fail to understand that DX12 will also benefit the PS4. Maybe by "2X" or more?!?
@ Death (and creatchee, somewhat) All of this stems from the delusionally hopeful that are grasping onto every PR statement, who are trying to convince people the opposite of the truth. It's the PR spin bulls*** these companies try to convince others too that exacerbates the delusions of the fiercely loyal. You don't care about the power differences? Fine by me, but don't ever try and spin the truth or push any delusions on others, or even support others doing that, or call those who are calling out the bulls***, fanboys, to try and deflect logic.
Whathappened Actually it seems the Sony fans love to bring up those points, not Xbox fans.. Like your post... Who the hell said secret sauce or anything like that? Just you, in response to no one.. What people need to come to terms with is enjoying their system and allowing others to do the same.. And not trolling every single article trying to shoot it down
AMD, NVidia and Intel all say it will double CPU speeds, the X1 has a AMD CPU, just like PCs. Why wouldn't it double CPU speeds if there able to balance each core? I think the you should wait and see other then claim it false. Because if you disbelieve the DX12 news then your calling AMD, NVidia and Intel liars and they pretty much created the PS4 and X1.
@death This is 2006-2008 coming back and slapping every single xbox fanboy (and media outlets with their propaganda) in the face. All those awfully rushed multiplats DID NOT mean that x360 is more powerfull than PS3. Everyone saw the reality of the situation but even then the media and fanboys were crazy with joy. Karma truly is a bitch for anyone with an agenda.
Wow, are all the MS fanboys in denial. AMD, Intel and Nvidia meant the PC. Not the X1. This should be obvious to anyone with a brain. MS fanboys are the ones making a big deal out of this, believing all these claims, (most of which really only pertain to the PC not the X1), and Sony fanboys are trying to bring these delusional fanboys back to Earth You have MS and indepedent devs telling you here and you people are still in denial and thinking that AMD, Intel and Nvidia got your back when they DONT! And i thought that MS fanboys didnt care about power or res. Now suddenly you all do It never ends with you people, stay delusional, have fun with that.
"Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.” hmmmmm seems Devs's don't believe it, so where does this leave us?
Nvidia, AMD, and Intel believes it along with a developer from Oxide games who made the Star Swarm tech demo Of course a "Playstation guy" would try to downplay Xbox One improving
@lifeisgames Clearly someone didn't read the article, which seems to be a trend amongst Xbox fanboys. It's not just him saying it. There are many others in that article. Frankly, how anyone actually believed that software could magically make hardware twice as powerful is beyond me. Face it, people like you (truefan,morepowerofgreen, gozer,xbox fun etc) believed (and probably still do) that DX12 was going to be some secret sauce that would double the X1's power. Even without these industry professionals saying otherwise, it was blatantly apparent to anyone who wasn't deluded that that was impossible. No one is downplaying improvement, they are doubting such wild and misinformed/misinterpreted claims. It was like Chinese whispers.....the original comment being "potentially 50% more efficient CPU" turned into....."double the power", "like a whole new graphics card", "suddenly 720p games will run at 1080p". And you guys lapped it up and called other doubters "downplayers". Man...id rather be a down-player than a mindless follower and accepter of blatant lies. 'whathappened' above me brings up a good point also, how people like you called doubters of those claims "armchair devs" and disregarded their views due to them just being "N4G nobody's", but now actual devs and actual industry professionals are agreeing with us, you still bury your head in the sand and mention AMD, Intel and Nvidia....did it ever occur to you that they we're talking about PC gains?
@lifeisgamesok "Of course a "Playstation guy" would try to downplay Xbox One improving" So i Told the Devs to say this :/ so apparently asking were everyone stands on this subject is downplaying the Xone-_-. "Nvidia, AMD, and Intel believes it along with a developer from Oxide games who made the Star Swarm tech demo " I thought they were referring to PC when talking about DirectX12 but hey i may be wrong.
@ Lukas Technically, optimized software CAN improve hardware performance but I don't see it doubling the performance in this case. Especially not when other development factors come into play.
@lifeisgamesok And what do all three have in common? They are all trying to sell PC hardware. Even with MS's contract with AMD for their hardware AMD still has a business on PC selling their hardware. None of them were talking about the XB1.
@raWfodog Yeah, i know that, i don't think anyone on either side of the fence doubted that *some* performance gains wouldn't come from DX12, otherwise, what would be the point of including it?
The devs are laughing at this because DX12 was basically a pc announcement! DX12 and Mantle were created to practically emulate what consoles ALREADY DO!. And that is have programming closer to the metal which leads to faster draws for the CPU. You will not even get a performance gain if you arent cpu limited in the first place! Since XB1 and PS4 already have programming close to the metal, they will not see a huge jump going to DX12 like the PC will.
Just another word for we optimized the code again. This happens all throughout a console gen. No new news really. DX12 likely has some new graphics features over XB1's current set, but its software. It can be patched in. Sony also uses an API built on software as well. They have not stopped optimizing it either. Either way XB1 has a shorter rope to max out its hardware than PS4. Optimization and new graphical features dropping in here and there along the way for both sides. Every new feature helps along the way, but they all have their limits on these features that are tied to hardware. 1.31 and 12 is smaller than 1.84 and 18 I do believe.
Technically its 3 devs one of which being an SCS engineer. Lets not act like its an overwhelming majority or anything. Although I am hopeful for it bringing some improvements lets not sit here and act its now stated fact that the update wont bring any improvement because 2 people are skeptical about the percentages given by a third party dev. The same people claiming people had overblown the possible gains of dx12 are overflowing the scepticism of a couple 3rd party devs who have not had hands on with.new apis
It's bullshit honestly. It also would mean that somehow API features are exclusive and static for some and not for others. Gains are to be made but one can not by pass hardware which performance is finite. Both consoles will pretty much share all API features.
So in shortcut Sony devs talking smack about dx12 update.
So in shortcut you didn't read the article, when will you guys learn to read the article before jumping the gun and looking stupid?
"Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept." and with that, all and any reason to care about what this guy has to say flew right out the window. Credentials - he has none.
What's this guy know? MS has the best Software engineers in the world.
I read this and had a day dream of windows 8 murdering my family. I mean it was a nightmare before but now windows 8 gives me daymares. On topic though: Dx12 should provide some improvements but to think it's a performance doubling program is just dumb especially when the information on what it does is explained on the press announcements.
And you think Sony uses out of special school drooling fools? Come on, wake up; anything MS can do Sony can do, and wise versa.
"Secret sauce!" "Power of da Cloud!" "DX12!"
DX12 will improve games and in 3-5 yrs the cloud may help in bigger ways then horrible AI. Both those things thertically will improve xbox. Not at what level they do is yet to be seen. Cloud is real it's just not Xbox buy our console POWER OF THE CLOUD real. It will be someday but i'll be generous and say 3 yrs 1/2 the life of the console. My real opnion is 5 yrs and will be fully implemented on next gen consoles. But what do i know? Nothing. I have spent the last 4 years of my life learning abotu the cloud and it's advantages inside a company since I work at a company that provides these services. But in the end i don't know enough to make any real solid guesses i can only operate on the little i work with(little i mean allot) for different applicational use then consoles. I'll say one thing customers have cloud issues all the time but they will iron themselves out like stuff always does.
Don't forget dat stacked hidden gpu
Well there you have it. Dx12 according to professional engineers is not going to be the "big hope" xboners were hoping for. I must suck realizing you paid more for less when you could of got a ps4.
My xbox one can do a whole he'll of alot that my ps4 can't do. Specifically look at the speed of updates coming out each month adding features compared to speed of ur updates and contents. Dont Chase articles to throw your hate around while some are having meaningful discussion about our console. But i guess the insecure are always gonna be insecure and haters always gonna hate. People like you give gamers a bad rap Even tho its a typo yes you must suck
@K3rn3ll, Oh the irony! Yet are doing the same thing of accusing Back-to-Back.
People have the right to hope dude. That's like "My Parents are richer than yours, and yours have no hope or chance of accumulating more wealth, and for you to even THINK the things they are trying to do are gonna help, makes you Poor AND Stupid." Geez, sounds like a bunch of kindergarten bullies who haven't grown up! I'm not here to say that any of us people REALLY, TRULY, have any clue what performance numbers are gonna be changed, or to what degree DX12 or the cloud can eventually help, but man! You guys are such assholes. If they wanna dream, then let em dream! At least when they are dreaming, they aren't making fun of YOU! At least when they are dreaming, they are MINDING THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS ABOUT THEIR OWN DAMN CONSOLE!!! It doesn't really matter if they are excited or hopeful, because in all honesty, WE ALL WANT THE BEST FOR ALL OF OUR CONSOLES! This is the primary disparity between thinking Xbox fans and PS fans are both at the same ratio of trolling. If that's true, then why do we find a 5:1 ratio of people stooping low and taking low blows..? It's YOU Sony fans who are being the punks, if there was some announcement about the PS4, granted, there might be a few (2 or 3 per 250 comments) Xbots in there being dumb, But the DIFFERENCE- is EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE with xbox news has the MAJORITY of Sony fans sitting around throwing feces and getting hot and bothered! Like 450 out of 500 comments you'll read are Sony fans being less mature than they realize, and justifying it because they have a stronger console. Just because the PS4 is better does NOT mean that anybody needs to believe what you jerks believe about DX12 or the cloud. And if they believe something that ends up being a lie, then it's no skin off your noses! So let's wait and see, and if it's true that DX12 is a substantial help, then cool beans. If it's not substantial, then cool beans. In the mean time, why don't the people who claim to be of a HIGHER-CLASS gaming sect shut the hell up and PROVE it for once?
It was CPU NOT GPU so I have no Idea what is going on lol
ICE Team programmer has right, Xbone fans. And few weeks ago ( ICE Team: looks awfully familiar ) : http://www.dualshockers.com...
There you go xboys, stop living in fairy tail land and wake up. If it sounds too good to be true you know what that means, there full of it. Straight from some of the top dogs in the industry, so why are you guys so gullible for, i enjoyed the xbox brand for the last decade, in fact the og xbox and 360 were my main console until 2010 when God of War 3 came out so i am not biased. With microsoft dropping support for the 360 and their DRM antics it put a sour taste in my mouth and i learned to question Microsoft about things they do. Like i said yesterday this is just another empty promise just like titanfall being only possible on the cloud and it doing revolutionary things at E3 then a couples months later you find out they were talking about dedicated servers lol. BTW didn't every xbox fan give up on resolution and power a couple months ago. If i remember correctly you guys always say that you only care about gameplay and don't care for graphics. Its soooo funny to see you guys jump ship off the I don't care for graphics ss, when Microsoft lies too you.
titanfall is the second game to utilise the cloud,..forza the other,..its just the start so why you all expect great things from the word go boggles my mind. dx12... seems to be a touchy subject,...most of the comments state.." I dont think so" in regards to the jump it will give the xbox in terms of improvement...notice the "I"..... ..cmon guys.....you have DEVs stating one thing and others that are sceptical,..but it will improve the petformance..make no mistake of that. sure sony will possible do something,..but upon a bit of reading on line it seems to be the heat output for the xbox one is better controlled..it would seem in some peoples opinions that the reason for the large fan,..and space IS for the use of DX 12..as this will increase the heat produced within the console..now i understand the ps4 is slimmer but any response by sony regarding their software update to match dx12 surely would increae heat as well,..yet it is not designed to cope with this?? maybe its crap i dont know,..but those that have some tech savy surely can explain if such is the dase,..and if so ,..has sony cut their arm off for going with look over performance?? at the end of the day dx will increase performance,..then its over to sony to counter this...but is the machine capable?? so lets say it just improves performance by 5o% ...then. the cloud that is coming increases performance by lets say 20 %....overall thats 70% increae..and the xbox can still cope with all this heat..will the ps4. cope with a 70% iincrease demand on its hardware without adequate cooling???
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Man frankdrebin you are drinking the kool aid aren't you. Your really are blinded by Microsofts pr, matter of fact it is you that are the kind of person that Microsoft know their BS pr is gonna work with. You are a blinded loyalist if you actually believe anything you just type. BTW Sony doesn't have to do anything because their system is already 50% more powerful the xbone
In a recent tweet Phil said think Perfect Dark Zero compared to Halo 4, I think a performance gain will happen, but like 20-30% Really it's up to devs to fully utilize this.
well from perfect dark to halo 4 there more than 30% gain PDZ looked so terrible. But I get what you are saying I think 25-30% is a safer bet.