Nvidia has recently released its latest low-end GPU based on the Maxwell architecture and quite surprising, the GeForce 750Ti is able to push graphics and performance similar to those of both PS4 and Xbox One.
Ha ha classic so glad I built my rig games look amazing still enjoying XB1 and F5 though loving the new tracks.
So a card that costs almost half of the entire PS4 alone is able to produce better graphics than Ps4 and Xbone? Because 750Ti costs from $150 to about $170. Gee, who woulda guessed? /s BTW, I just got a new engine. It costs almost 50% of the cost of your entire car and it's faster. Impressed?
I guess that depends on where your new engine is located. Is it on the low end, mid end or high end? Wait, mid end? Can you put an engine in the middle end? What is a middle end? I thought ends were at the extents and the mid was in between the extents? Well, either way, if your engine is in the middle of your car, it is likely way faster than my POS!
If you want quality, you pay for it
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2... heres a pc that is less than 500$ and will run the game better then the ps4 and do everything else a pc will do. didn't put KB/M because you more then likely have those. same with the the monitor. just hook it up to the tv you would use for the ps4. simple. and you can use a controller on most new PC games of you wish.
@ FTLightspeed you forgot the OS, Keyboard, mouse,blu-ray drive, and wireless network card... PS4 comes with an input device and all of the other things above listed.
@ThatOneGuyThere you don't need a bluray drive to run the game, that is what i am getting at. why have it in there? there are little use for CD drives in pcs these days. or a wireless card. you dont need that to play the game. again, i don't know anyone without a pc sitting around, that they can use the KB/M from, you can download and install windows 7 for free, you just have to pay for update if you want them. and that is only after 30 days. the PC is a better value all around. as many people in on this site and other have beat to death.
What is the definition of "better"? Better resolution or better frame rate? I wouldn't classify this card that better than the PS4. The frame rate drops to 45fps. I'm pretty sure Dice dropped the resolution on purpose to make sure you would get a steady 60fps. (otherwise, you'd see dips in fps like this card does) In a game mostly multi-player, fps is better than resolution. I wouldn't waste money on that card, you'd be force to upgrade to get that 60. I'd go for something more powerful.
@UltimateMaster better as in i can do other things besides play games on it. i can use it to go to college, i can do my taxes, i can use it to make a card for my dear old grandma. what do you think i mean better. lol the site doesn't say what setting they used in the test for battlefield. that makes a big difference. like you don't need the aa, that save a lot of power, or you don't need high shadows when they look the same as medium. you say you need a more powerful card to get 60 frames, i say just turn down the setting a little and BAM 60 frames. i had the titanfall beta playing at 40+ frames a second at 720p on a old Core 2 duo 4400 and a 550ti(a pretty crappy old system that i built for fun out of old parts i had laying around) on low and medium settings. hell i had crysis 3 running at low and medium setting at 30ish fps at 720p on that pc. the point is you don't need to have EVERY setting turned up on pc to get a game playable. you have more options, if you want eye candy, you turn up the setting and take the FPS hit, BUT if you want the Frames, you turn down a couple of settings and BAM more fps. options. one of the best things about PC. all that said, the second i see a good Halo, i Mmean a GOOD halo game, non of this halo 4 and reach garbage, on the XO, i will buy a xbox one.
Cool, So I can play PlayStation exclusives on it right..No? Then whats the f'n point?
PC fans try so hard.
@Clunkyd lol this is not about exclusive buddy. this is about the game that are on both and the relative value of the stuff you can do on each. of course if you want to play those game you speak of, you are getting the PS4. that doesn't speak to ANY thing about whether one is actually has more value than the other. unless you count the value of a few game more than everything the PC can do. if the games you want to play are on a system than that is the system you are going to play. i already said if a good Halo was on the XO, I would buy it. as halo IS a system seller to ME. even though i have a pretty Badass pc right now.
the gpu is priced at £100 ($167 US) at a little over double ($399 US) you get a ps4 ... makes me more impressed with the value of the ps4
Since when is £350 "a little over double" £100 ? Edit: Ah a cute edit to make your math a little more... creative? The card RRP in the US is $149. Not critising the value of the PS4 here, just your 'calculations' (if that term can apply?).
Dont try talking sense here. Its pretty uncommon
That's some fine spin. Either way, bundled with the remaining components it's still more expensive than a console although also far more versatile. But buying an entry level GPU is never a good idea. It'll last perhaps 12 months before you need to upgrade. A console on the other hand will see you through 5-7 years. Swings and roundabouts.
The additional costs of computer components is made up for by how much cheaper PC games cost. They come out the gate cheaper and drop prices much quicker and lower.
I am so sick of hearing PC games cost less money when this is NOT true. If you don't mind waiting then sure they GET cheaper but they do not start out Cheaper. I have had Final Fantasy XIV since it came out day one and it cost me 49.99 I preordered Castlevania for my PC and guess what 59.99 yep they sure do start out cheaper.... now if you are talking about illegally downloaded games then yea they are cheaper.
"the gpu is priced at £100 ($167 US) at a little over double ($399 US) you get a ps4" £100 = $137.23, which is less than half of a Playstation 4 The exchange rate from Euros to Dollars is a 37% increase and vice-versa. £1 = $1.37 & $1 = £0.73 (looks like 27% at $1 but at $137.23 = £99.99, holding a 37% decrease notion)
This is going to be a great entry GPU for Steamboxes.
Steamboxes targetting the price range of a console right now are a pretty bad idea. In a couple of years time the low end ~$500 steambox will make a lot more sense, but right now a console will trump it.
What are you talking about? The lowest spec steam boxes that have been announced wipe the floor with both the Xbone and PS4. Their lowest GPU does 2.5tflops, and it only goes up from there. Right now you can buy an AMD HD7870 @ Newegg.com for $110, which easily bests the PS4.
Don't mistake me for a deluded anti-PC fanboy. You'd have to strap 5 next gen consoles together to match the specs of my own PC. I stand by what I said, the consoles beat out an equivalently priced Steambox at the minute. Not necessarily in raw specs, but have you seen how far they managed to push 1/2 gig of ram on the last gen? Naive to think they won't manage to push these consoles beyond what you associate with the raw specs. Over time you'll see games on the consoles that trump what a 7870 can do. Give it 2 or 3 years though and a low end Steambox will be pushing way ahead.
Hmm wonder what the rest of the system specs were. Sure that had something to do with it unless graphic cards have developed the ability to become full gaming PCs on their own.
i5, 16GB DDR3, SS hard drive. It's at the source. So the other components are somewhat upper tier compared to the GPU but that's to ensure the system bottleneck is the GPU and no other component is causing a spurious benchmark result.
if only i could play PC games with just a GPU. Forget the CPU , RAM, HDD, Motherboard, PSU, Monitor, Case and Fans all you need is just a GPU under $200.
Don't forget the virus programs with the yearly subscriptions. And don't leave out the computer desk lol. Or windows for that matter if it's not preloaded in the drive
- Who pays for virus programs in this day and age? - computer desk? Because the price of your couch counts for consoles as well? - windows? steam os - Monitor? so a console doesn't need a television? CPU, Ram, Hdd, mobo, psu, fans and case, very true. <-> usual counterargument is that most gamers upgrade and therefore only need to upgrade some parts. The idea for the article isn't that a single gpu is better then consoles, but that the strides taken in low-end gpu's indicate that at price/performance the new gen might not hold out for long.
Only people who know nothing of computers, pay for antivirus software. The best antivirus programs are all freeware. You realise every GPU made in the last like 6 years, has an HDMI out, and through programs like joytokey, also supports console controllers? You can plug a PC into your TV just as easily as a console and play with a 360 or PS3 controller. Also by your argument, how much does a sofa cost to console gamers? Windows. Pirate that shite, or if you are against that idea, you can get an oem copy of windows 8 for as low as $95 online. Could use Linux also.
@anticlimactic I get your point but besides the virus programs a couch and tv are something 99% of people would have even without a console. And as for steamos the games tested in this article and most games for that matter aren't supported.
Oh gosh, it was just a joke. You pc guys are so uptight. Loosen up a bit Lmao XD Anyway. A pc has too many variables to play with for the casual or hard core average gamer. I mean. Wats wrong with consoles.an console gamers have been around almost just as long as pc gamers. Some like the ease of plug and play. Some like the customization and power of the pc. Both have their own crowd of followers. If you scroll up the comment list, the things said are almost ridiculous lol. Who cares what you prefer. It'snot gonna make anybody switch side. I have a pc myself aandthis Iis getting really stupid. I try not to comment because I make myself look stupid but hey, nothingwrong wit a few laughs from the fannies
@Dasteru I was with you up until you recommended pirating Windows
Most people already have a computer that only needs a decent graphics card to play just about anything. Anyone with a Q6600 or early i5 can run most any game with an $110 HD7870, which is more powerful than the PS4's GPU.
@AndrewLB Stop talking nonsense. The only people who bought the q6600 or a quad core i5 were PC gamers or people that were doing tasks that needed a high spec'd CPU. I am sure that the majority who owned PCs with those high spec'd parts also had a gpu in them to match. Also idk where you are getting your price quotes from but the HD7870 price ranges from $200 - $350.
@VanDamme: Meh. I guess it is obvious i don't support MS much. The only reason gamers still buy windows, is because for the most part, they have no choice. If MS is going to keep charging $500 for a retail copy of an OS that in most ways is inferior to a $35 copy of OSX or a free copy of Ubuntu, then i see no problem with pirating it. I cannot support that kind of greed and disrespect for the customer base. For the record, i am against piracy for the most part, Windows is an exception.
@Dasteru I could have sworn I saw windows 7 home premium on newegg for $100. I must be seeing things.
@DivineHand125: That is an OEM copy, it can only be installed once, if the install facks up, you are screwed, if you change any major hardware like the CPU or Mobo, you are screwed. Also after a year or 2 the CD-key that it comes with will automatically glitch out and start telling you it is non-genuine, with no way to fix it. Retail copies of Win 7 Ultimate are still selling in some places for $499. A full copy of Mac OSX in comparison is around $35.
Can you play your console with no TV?
My Wii U can play without a tv.
I bet you typed that on your ps3 right? Oh wait every god damn household in NA has a damn computer. No need for a psu upgrade and mostly likely your cpu is faster then the ps4 since it's a tablet cpu.
so a article talking about technology how how this card is a good deal, means you need tout other components to make you feel better. people try so hard. plus you can put this in a existing pc.
If you hadn't bought some crappy laptop you could plug this straight into your current desktop.
good for pc? I'd rather replay any classic nes game over any modern pc game with the bestest hardware quintuplet core 64gb ram neon rice lighting fancy power supply's But seriously, the people that try to argue anything over playstation in general are just a bunch of clueless trolls. You don't have: -God of War -Uncharted -Last of Us -H-Hour(the new socom, the game that spawned online shooters period) -Gran Turismo -Ratchet & Clank -Jak & Daxter -MGS4 -Twisted Metal(hoping it has an early comeback on ps4 instead of so late on ps3) -Sly Cooper -Resistance(series is over, campaign was already great) -Infamous -Killzone -Demon's Souls -Warhawk -LittleBigPlanet -Ico -Shadow of the Colossus -Motorstorm -Heavenly Sword(bet a sequel comes to ps4) -3d Dot Game Heroes -Super Stardust HD -Resogun -Driveclub -Kingdom Hearts(until 3 comes out) -The Order 1886 And say these don't matter....this is the reason why I stick with playstation because they keep giving me great exclusives. Graphics are just a bonus for me, never my deciding factor for what to pick. But you politicians can keep talking up your super 2x4k 1000fps pc hardware.
completely agree. While i just bought a PC for 5500$ I'll still love my ps4 for the exclusives. I don't know why every pc gamer acts so immature. Just for your information, 5500$ may seem like an overkill. But i bought it because i just turned 18, so i got lot of inherit money from my dead grandpa. Got 500k$ so why not burn it off on a pc with 3x 780TIs :D
$5500 only matters if you know about what your buying or it may have been overkill. Also PS4 for the exclusives which one Knack or KZSF justified the early $400 buy. For example as rich as you are those 3x GTX 780Ti maybe future proof for 1440p but 4k will require more than 3GB of RAM so the longetivity is questionable unless you only play =>1440p
@wtopez Why should i lie? Norway is a rich country, if you didn't know. Also, my grandpa had alot of gambling issues, although he won several times. Thus splitting his money on me,my brother and my little sister :) EDIT: Btw, in Norway everything costs much more, i bet i could save atleast 1000-2000$ in US.
ow brother, that's just stupid. Buying a 2000$ gaming pc and then upgrading it for 1000$ every two to three years will see you maxing out everything. With greater longevity. + resell value on everything you take out. Never mind the lack of optimization for multiple cards. Why not just burn money while you're at it?
I own a gaming PC, as well as a PS4, PS3 and Xbox 360. There's nothing wrong with saying that consoles have some good exclusives, because they do. But PC also has good exclusives. All platforms have them, not just playstations. As far as your claim about PC gamers acting "so immature", sorry but Sony fanboys take that cake and eat it. You hardly ever hear a PC gamer arguing with an Xbox fan or a Nintendo fan. You hardly hear Nintendo fans going at it with Xbox fans. But you always hear Sony fanboys talking crap to everybody else--PC gamers, Nintendo gamers and Xbox gamers alike.
so this is talking about tech comparing the flops in new consoles. spec talk. and you post exclusive that most pc only gamers dont care about and say their immature. yep yep. pc gamers alway been talking specs, when they buy stuff, they even compare gpus to each other. console only gamers are insecure and we know you dont care about pc exclusives until theyre not exclusive anymore right. hypocrites these days. im seeing more and ore sony fanboys are the most arrogant immature bunch of all the fanboys
Okay buy a PS3 for $150 PC gamers because you will have 95% of those titles. Maybe you dont realize but alot of PC gamers have more than a PC.
already have a ps3 and will be keeping it because it has too many games... the argument was never how many consoles you owned, it was clueless pc bots trying to talk down about any console, especially playstation, when there is no room to talk...
Exactly PC gaming is great I also have a gaming PC +PS4. The reason why sometimes gaming pc guys/girls get on my nerves is because they say things like "oh my $700-$2000 pc destroys your puny consoles." Most people who play consoles aren't hardcore gamers willing to build their own hardware they just want to spend a little amount of money on a product that all their friends have and can play pretty much all the games.
On PC you can play all the classic Nintendo games, even games from the Wii on 1080p and you don't need the "bestest" hardware to do so.
You can also play PS2 and PSP games at 1080p as well az PS1 games
That is why the gamers who could not care less about "platform supremacy" own multiple systems and/or respect that each system has it's pros/cons. I myself am mostly a PC gamer but own a Wii/360/PS3 but will only be buying a next gen (PS4) when I feel it's time. PC+PS4 is going to be a match made in heaven this (console) generation.
Whoa whoa chill down bro, I love my PS3 and PS4 too but no need to get so worked up over an article.. Besides people need to stop thinking PC only good for games though, for me it's a money source because I work on IT related field, even for someone who doesn't work on IT related field chances are high they need PC for their jobs too, and I haven't seen a student who doesn't use PC for assignment or homework nowadays. Heck, most people use it to browse internet.. long story short the usefullness justify the pricetag, for me. though I agree that if you only want to use it for gaming, you'd better buy PS4..
Right. We are the clueless trolls. And what about the hundreds of PC exclusives that you do not have? As i said above, it goes both ways. Consoles have their share of exclusives, so do PCs. Pick the system that has the exclusives you prefer, but don't pretend that consoles are automatically better, just because of a few exclusives, while completely ignoring the other side of the argument.
IMO the vast majority of PC exclusives aren't worth a damn and the ones that are either wind up on consoles eventually or are titles I don't give a shit about.
go ahead and let me hear the ones I should care about? I provide a list and you simply just argue without backing up your side...great logic...
@WickedLester IMO, your opinion is wrong... PC exclusives absolutely wreck any single consoles list of exclusives... its not even close. Lets just take 2 examples of games that are clearly worth a damn. World of Warcraft - By far the most profitable game in history (Grossing upwards of $15 Billion). League of Legends - Played by more people than any other game with a peak concurrent player number of over 5Million DoTA 2 - Has a daily peak player number of 600-700k There are entire genres that you can't really get on console.. from RTS games like starcraft and civilization to MMO's like WoW, Guildwars and EVE Online... simulators like football manager, EuroTruck. PC makes online gaming on Console look like complete dogshit. Games like Counterstrike, Planetside, Team Fortress, DayZ, Rust, Path of Exile, HearthStone, Tribes etc.. And its not even that they are exclusives (You can get some of these games on console, like Team Fortress) but its how they are support post release... if a game isn't huge on console, its left to rot... while on PC they are constantly updated... Team Fortress is like a completely different game from the version on xbox. And to top it all off... not only is there a far greater selection of games on PC... the games that are available on a both a given console and PC... will look and perform so much better on PC. I mean... go ahead... enjoy Titanfall running at sub 1080p with frame rate drops as low as 45 on xbox one.... I enjoy some of the console exclusives, its why i have an xbox360 and ps3, I will eventually get a next gen console too.... but lets not kid ourselves here and pretend these platforms are in anyway comparable to a decent PC.. both in terms of content or power.
@InTheZoneAC lol and you don't have these 4000 and some exclusives https://docs.google.com/doc...
@IntheZoneAC: "H-Hour(the new socom, the game that spawned online shooters period)" LOLWUT? No. Just no. Quakeworld says hello.
Yeah not sure why he would say H-Hour when it's a PC game.....Also saying it spawned online shooters is a complete joke I hope. I really hope he's not that dumb to think online shooters started in 2002......
No one ever said making good pc will make all playstations in your home disappear... If someone has enough money for a good rig, they can probably already own a ps4 or can buy a ps4 at any time they want. Meanwhile console-only owners probably most of the time cannot afford to get a pc, so they have to defend their choice since they'll never be able to try the other. I use pc for multiplats and playstation for exclusives. No one's saying pc is a replacement for anything. Stop being overly defensive.
lol did you seriously just said that socom started online shooters? LOL BTW socom is pretty much a dead franchise right now. Infact mgs4, uncharted, GOW, the last of us, littlebigplanet,sly cooper, infamous, and stardust are probably the only ones out of that list that I give two shits about. BTW where the hell is valkyria chronicles and ninokuni? jak and daxter, ICO, shadow of the colossus haven't been seen or heard from in years. ratchet and clank is the same shit over and over again. They just give you new guns and call it a sequel. Ratchet has been boring since up your arsenal. warhawk? LOL that buggy laggy POS online game that no one plays anymore? Motorstorm was boring as shit demon souls who cares? we have dark souls now which is multiplat. 3d dot heroes is a zelda ripoff funny how you list driveclub and the order when they havent even released yet. twisted metal is dead. Seriosuly has a huge twisted metal fan from the ps1 days the ps3 installment SUCKED!!!! resogun is fun for 3 hours then you're done killzone and resistance are subpar shooters that all ripoff of COD and every shooter before it with online communities that die off 3 months later.
well there is under 2k game on ps3 and there is over 20k games on pc so listing exclusive seems like a moot point.
4457 exclusives on PC that have never made it to console. Enjoy the read. https://docs.google.com/doc...
Maybe I have seen different benchmarks but the R7 265 (supposed equivalent of PS4) craps all over this card at the same price. If you build a gaming rig that is the better choice however this card is so low wattage it could be thrown into an already bought PC. I cant help but wonder how do these people know the exact settings on PS4 for this comparison because I know for a fact this card is not going to run BF4 on max/ultra at 900p/60 fps