Major Nelson: 'It Took Years For 360 To Mature… Same Long Game Planned For Xbox One'

NowGamer: Microsoft's Major Nelson says that it may take years for Xbox One to mature as a platform in the same way that we saw with Xbox 360.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Nah, 360 was awesome right out of the gate. The first 4 years were the best. Best versions of multiplats. Terrific online. Achievements (this was before PSN got Trophies). Tons of exclusives, both 1st party and 3rd party. Creativity out the wazoo with games releasing that were never going to be huge sellers but Microsoft released them anyway (like Viva Pinata and Blue Dragon). And the emergence of PC-only devs finally bringing their talent to consoles (like Bioware, Bethesda, and Obsidian). Not to mention the rise of indies on consoles started on 360.

If we're paying attention to history, it took years for 360 to "go casual" and focus on Kinect. It took years for 360 to gradually stop releasing new IPs (Alan Wake was the last major one I believe, and that was nearly 4 years ago in 2010). It took years for 360 to gradually stop attracting 3rd party exclusives, opting instead for timed DLC exclusivity. It took years for the blade dashboard to vanish and instead we got one big advertisement. It took years for 360 to fall behind graphically while PS3 devs squeezed every drop of power out of the hardware. It took years for Microsoft to shut the doors on one studio after another, and then to open up new Kinect-focused studios instead. It took years for studios like RARE to go from making games like Kameo, Viva Pinata, and BanjoKazooie to making Kinect sports games and nothing else.

So, is that the sort of "long game" planned for Xbox One? Count me out.

[TheTwelve]

Totally agreed.

I remember when the 360 had Mass Effect, Gears of War and Bioshock EXCLUSIVE pretty much right out the gate.

As a Sony fan even I felt it was over for Playstation in those days. (Of course, I didn't admit it.)

The PS3 is the console that "matured" over time, unlike the Wii and 360 last gen.

[Crystallis]

another spot on.

LegendaryQuad.

[TheTwelve]

@Imalwaysright --- sure they were on PC but remember the ONLY ON XBOX stamps were on them. =)

[Imalwaysright]

I lost a bubble because I stated the FACT that the games TheTwelve mentioned are not exclusives?

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Why was my comment marked as off-topic when it was a direct reply to TheTwelve comment? Why wasn't his comment marked as off topic as well?

[vakarian75]

@Iamalwaysright

Bioshock is the only game that wasn't exclusive when it first released that was on 360 and PC mass effect was an Xbox exclusive until they ported it to Microsoft windows and Gears of War is fully exclusive.

(p.s all three mass effect games received higher scores on the 360.)

[ZombieKiller]

I remember being jealous of Gears of War the night before I went to pick up my PS3.

The 360 was awesome at first, then they went casual on everyone.

If anything, the PS3 was the one to take it's time to come together.

[indyman7777]

@dedicatedtogamers and @The Twelve I'm trying to find something that I could disagree with, and dang you two I could not!

@Imalwaysright I'm guessing something you said hurt a mods feelings! What out they may be stalking because your comment was totally on topic! I think I may be attacked for supporting you! But it was worth it to stand up for a person!

[amiga-man]

Well the 360 matured in one way, it stopped Red Ringing, but ironically by then the games were drying up.

One things for sure the xbone has a lot of maturing to do even then it still won't match the PS4

[Cueil]

feature for feature it'll eventually out strip the PS4 because of how MS build it... it'll never be as powerful, but you'll see a feature rich console that probably wont even resemble this current iteration in a year and a half

[ravinash]

@ Cueil....yes, because PS4 won't be adding new features during the same period. /s

[Charybdis]

Well to be fair he seems to be talking about systems features on the xb360 which definitely have changed and evolved in the past years for the better or worse.

I think its a good thing Microsoft is updating their system based on their customer feedback. Shame their engineering team didn't make their deadline, though its better to release a reliable update instead of a rushed one. Also nice to see Major Nelson actually trying to engage with their customers on reddit.

Shame that the os of the xb1 seems to be rushed as its missing a lot of features which the xb360 does have.

[Cueil]

people like to disagree with reality... a ton of the OS features were build with always online in mind I think

[GamingNerd013]

Everything u said is spot on and true. The 360 was really if not a amazing console between 2005 to 2009 then it just went down hill with exclusives bad ports and a service that wasn't so great once PS plus came to PS3 and the whole kenect forcuse. So in ways it's the opposite of what major Nelson just said about 360 maturing over the years but instead dying out.

[Crystallis]

@Dedicated

Totally agree, well said.

[Angainor7]

Well Said!

[MadSientist89]

360 was good until Kinect came out.

[loulou]

Until mattrick got the helm

[Az1mov]

I like this thread. the facts are there. microsoft are missing an opportunity that won't present itself again; focus on the gamers!

[Rustynail]

What makes you think Sony aren't gonna go pretty much the samme way when they realize that they are losing the casual market? Look at the Wii U, it barely gets more than 3-4 games that are worth placying in a 2 year period and now you complain about Xbox One? Complain about the Wii U instead. You can't just look at a console from one perspective, you need both the core and the casual. And there's been a tremendous amount of core cocntent both released and announced for Xbox One so far. Not so much casual for Sony, so they are gonna lose some market share + they don't earn that much more money than Microsoft per PS4 sold, Sony earns 19$ per PS4 and Microsoft earns 29$. So even if Sony sold a few millions more units, it wouldn't be much of a big deal.

[asmith2306]

"you need both the core and the casual" - no you don't. PS Move did nothing for the PS3 and it sold 80m+. PS thrives due to it's amount of varied content and the fact that Sony give gamers what they want.

[Kryptix]

They tried offering something for the casual market with the Move for a while and it failed. I don't think Sony has to do both hardcore and casual to succeed. So far, they didn't package the camera with the PS4 and they just broke 5mil sales. They'll do just fine as long as they promise to dish out many exclusives through it's lifespan. Following what the 360 did in the beginning but not almost completely stopping for some gimmick and they'll get a lot of their market share back that they used to have with the PS2.

[Smootherkuzz]

Yes Xbox360 did a fantastic job and is still going after all these years. Kinect has not hurt the system in any way, just some people who don't need or want it but some do that's it. As for making Kinect mandatory was a bold move but the way the system works its understandable with all the new features of the system. People need to get on board with Kinect type electronics because like it or not it's the future, even cable tv companies are using Kinect like features.Xbox One is only going to grow better as did the 360. PS4 is using a different way to entice customers with DDR5, GPU with the Eye separate that's ok too. I don't have one bad word to say about either systems, both are designed for one thing and that to entertain and both do it great. I will say keep it coming Iam having a ball.

[ravinash]

The casual market is a fickle bunch.
Whats popular will drop in and out before you can either try to cash in on it.
Wii is a casing point...sold like anything, but as soon as everyone else jumped ship to follow the hype, everyone had moved on...so no one was selling the number in that market again and even the Wii U trying to sell under the same name couldn't get the same traction it had.

Most of the casual market are on tablets because it's easy access on a device they already have.
Why would a casual player want to invest hundreds or $ or £ on a device to play casually on?

I'm not saying that it's impossible to grab the casual markets attention with one of the current consoles if the right game or software came out...but what that item will be is any ones guess.

[FamilyGuy]

daaaamn, that's so true. No wonder it gained so much popularity so fast. MS was really trying hard for the first half of the 360 life cycle.

This also explains the disdain for kinect that so many seem to have. It was like the turning point, MS changed paths because of the Wii success and tried to emulate it by become more casual as well. Sony did something similar with the PS Move but they never stopped going after the core gamers as well, they tried to please everyone.

[ifistbrowni]

damn, dude. You nailed it.

[esemce]

Amen brother, lol yeah we just can't trust Microsoft, their focus on the casuals and Kinect has ruined them.
They had / have so much $ but they did not invest in what matters to us the most and that's origial IP's.

Losing Bizzare and Bungie and turning Rare into a kintect turd factory is unforgivable.

[schlanz]

4 years is even a stretch, 2009 was around the time momentum switched to the PS3, specifically with the PS3 Slim and accompanied price drop.

[MightyNoX]

Couldn't agree more. I remember looking at my PS3 whilst I was busy with Bayonetta, Project Sylpheed and Mass Effect and kept wondering "Why did I buy this thing." Then the 360 turned into a Kinect/Shooter nightmare and I haven't been using it since mid-2011

Meanwhile, Aksys just announced another localization. By this point, I'm guessing I should be done with the PS3 sometime in 2015...an excellent investment for my money, IMHO.

As for you, Larry. Really? Maturing your Xbox? So much for being beta-tested in the future.

[showtimefolks]

dedicatedtogamers

couldn't have said it any better.

xbox360 was awesome and had everything going for it, than MS saw wii sales and lost their focus and just had 3-4 years of casual stuff and totally focused on kinect

Many of us day one gamers were just pissed off at MS with the way they treated the core gamers and that is also a big reason many are switching to sony/ps4.

knowing MS they will support xbox one for 4 years than just make it a cable box and release the same 3-4 IP's every few years for rest of generation.

we just got

Ni Nu Kuni
The last of us
Sly 4
GT6

in 2013 and MS didn't deliver anything other than gears and halo for last 3 years while making bunch of kinect games

[xtremeimport]

Definietly didnt.

The store is god awful to this day.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

that picture is priceless tho.....lol

[Plagasx]

hallelujah Praise jesus!

[UnholyLight]

Totally agree with what you're saying @dedicatedtogames BUT, I think you took what Major Nelson said out of context. I think he was referring to the constant updates and "improvements" to the very base experience the Xbox 360 brought along like the different dashboard updates and the "New Xbox Experience" or whatever they called that major update that brought avatars and a similar setup to what we see today. Also worth mentioning I enjoyed having the reminders of constant sales always happening being advertised and one click away from taking you to a discounted game/DLC or free game (Not the occasional single tile ad, Obviously I hate that)

I hope Microsoft wisens up a bit and remembers what made the Xbox 360 the greatest (pre Kinect) although I actually enjoy the idea behind Kinect when it works though..

[maniacmayhem]

Dedicated did take what Major Nelson was truly saying out of context. Once again a poster read the title and decided to give his own opinion and go in the complete opposite of what the story was about. All the while laying out his bias for a system and rallying the troops on this site.

The sad part is he gets a "well said" and not an off topic which is mind blowing.

[madara0sama]

Major Toldson

[Utalkin2me]

I have to disagree, 360 was the worst machine out of launch but people bought into it due to the the original xbox. Huge failure rate and being behind in every technical aspect. And i consider it as one of the worst technically launches of all time, as do statistically as everyone else.

[UltraNova]

@dedicatedtogamers

Bubble up for you man. You wrote down every single thought I had while reading this post.

[ramiuk1]

100% perfect comment.

the 360 was amazing imo from day 1,the online community was having a laugh and no idiots(well minimal).
the games were great too,spent hours on modern combat with folks from all over world.

it goes to show that kinect and media is there main goal surely if they think the1st 4 years were the 360s weakest

[UnholyLight]

What is actually a little depressing is the Xbox 360 brought me into the world of online gaming at the age of 13 way back in '06 and you used to be able to chat with people from all over - Many awesome conversations were had with Germans, Norwegian, British you name it...Nowadays it seems like the matchmaking system only throw you in with people from the USA (Don't take it the wrong way, no hate my North American brothers!!!)

Those were the days. Also, people weren't as retardedly good at multiplayer video games as they are now, which I find ruins my online experience ahah :/

[UltraNova]

Thats why I dont even bother with multiplayer after MW2..people just missed the whole point of multiplayer now its all about body counts and leveling up while they scream like bitches...the FUN part is totally gone its all 'business' now.

This is why I prefer Sony's platforms, because I get to play the best (9/10 times) single player games on their platforms.

Last gen I had 2 360's (which I abandoned after the second one that was refurbished still died) and stayed with my PC and PS3...I was a happy dude..

Today until MS gets its shit together I wont buy the one. I recently upgraded my PC and I will be getting the PS4 soon (If I ever find it in stock).

But! I'm definitely getting the Wii U when the price is cut. I just have many feelings for Nintendo what can I say the N64 got me really good...

[Azzanation]

There not talking about the games in this article (There coming anyway) there talking more on the lines of the Console improvement with features and patches etc.

360 had a strong start but when you play Halo 3 then play Halo 4 there are major differences in visual quality, and you wouldn't even know that Halo 4 was on 360 with the way that game looked.

Same will happen with XB1. It doesn't have to look better then PS4 they just have to look good.

[DarkLord1003]

At the beginning the 360 had so many good games. And they also were quite different. Not only shooters but also JRPGs. Good times...

The last 2 years or let's even say the last 3 years were bad for the system. Forza, Halo and Gears are not enough. Where is Alan Wake 2, an new Viva Pinata or any other non-shooter exclusive? I really hope with the ONE MS is going to broaden their appeal and focus on a wider range of gaming genres..

[rafaman]

Xbox Live, in the early days, there wasnt Demos or Videos to download. No netflix and lots of other awesome apps on xbox live.

It evolved A LOT in the years after. The only thing that got worse was the performance, but it is something to expect given the features added in a console with only 512mb.

[Gamer1982]

360 drove ahead due to early release we all know this. If hes talking about maturity in software then sure I can see that look at the old initial blades OS 360 had.. It was decent but not great.. He talking about it this gen aswell I'm guessing saying the OS is gonna change again in a few years.. The obvious issue with that here I see is I don't find many who like this new OS. Although its similar to 360's OS it's actually worse and a step back compared to it.. My friends who own an Xbone don't like it and they are stuck with it now. PS4 however took a massive positive step and finally (sorta) ditched the XMB.

[lifeisgamesok]

It's the opposite MS is focusing on big triple A experiences

Sony is focusing on smaller budget games without multiplayer and different modes

[Jdoki]

I'm a bit late to this comment thread, but had to post a 'Well Said' to dedicatedtogames.

I want to buy an XB1, but for all the reasons you stated I am suspicious of MS.

Kameo was a great launch title, and with refinement a sequel could have been fantastic. Viva Pinata was something really different and fun. Then we got Gears of War, which was stunning. good times - then 2009 happened and MS went off the rails for me.

[DVAcme]

Spectacular comment, I salute you, sir.

[Jessika_S]

But doesn't that mean that after all the work they put into the 360 you learn from it so that when you create your next system you don't have to start over, you continue from where the first one left off. I'm enjoying my Xbox One but I feel like if it's going to take them the same amount of time that it took to get to where the 360 is today than whats the point by then a new Xbox will be on the horizon. I WANT MORE APPS.....

[insomnium2]

By mature they must mean "has no games". X360 had plenty games in the first 3 years it was available and after that it got mature and stagnated to the same 3 franchises? Kinect?

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Hopefully the long game actually works!

[OlgerO]

360 got worse in the second part of its lifetime, glad he told us before hand that the same thing will happen again.

[BX81]

I think you're confusing the console with game selection. The 360 was/is an excellent system. It sure could've used a lot more game support towards the end of the cycle, but that doesn't detract from the catalogue of games it already had.

[Qwagy UK]

So we all need to wait 2 years before we buy one. Thank you I was only going to wait a year before I bought one.

[pompombrum]

Nope wrong, if he's comparing how the Xbox One will grow to the 360, it means buy one now and then sell it in four years time.

[esemce]

I'd wait for the slim and a massive price cut, yeah and maybe some decent games that don't look like they are running on a 5 year old PC.

[strigoi814]

360 was best at launch and got stale at the end..xb1 we dont know yet

[MadLad]

It's actually the opposite.
When the 360 was young, it was full of life and was a lot of fun. It then matured, grew old and then became bitter and stale and had nothing to offer.
At this point, it's essentially on its deathbed.

I am hoping for the opposite with the One. It more or less needs to be the opposite if they even want to be competitive this generation. They don't have the advantage early on this time around.

[deadfrag]

Neither the RROD that gave them a couple million xbox 360 sales also.This time they really have to fight for selling if they want to keep up with solid sales.

[insomnium2]

A couple million? Try 15-20 million.

[DarkLord1003]

Is this really true? Are the RROD systems part of the lifetime sales?

[insomnium2]

I know many who bought a second console in case of RROD since up here in Finland you had to wait up to a month to get a replacement from MS.

That's one way to get more sales. People saw how cheap the core-version was and since it was easy to just plug the HDD in and continue playing if you get a RROD something like this sums up to houdreds of thousands of sold core-consoles alone. MS never did release info on the percentages though (how convenient huh?).

[centaureas]

Please, stop trying to make "the One" and acceptable way of reffering to the Xbone.

[CyrusLemont]

I hope Microsoft is in the 'there's only way from the bottom situation'. As much as I've grown to dislike them, they have Rare and Halo. Their console should be a gateway to those games, not a barrier.

[k2d]

They say that bargaining is the 3rd step of denial...

[Stick89]

Major Nelson, please, quit your day job. You would make a great stand up comedian!

[ginsunuva]

It only immatured since it came out.

[pupa]

"Same Long Game Planned For Xbox One"

Does not spell a good omen then. (sad) Look how M$ abandoned the 360 the last few years and concentrated on kinect. New IP's dried up, games dried up, records were broken on "new" releases because 80 million gamers were starved for games and then in the end 360 games were stolen away to bolster the Xbone launch line-up at the expense of the 80 million that had already invested huge efforts in time and money in the Xbox brand. If that is what Nelson have in mind for growth and maturity on the Xbone then please get someone else in there that can see the reality of what was and what needs to be done to correct the situation.

[svoulis]

I pray for Xbox One owners (including myself) that this doesn't happen the way 360 did. As 360 was amazing for the first half of its life and than dwindled down to overused sequels to and timed DLC to keep it going.

Microsoft needs to go back to the 360 launch to remember how its done right. No matter what though SDK's etc. The Xbox One will never be on par with PS4 the power isn't there, optimize all you want, but the cloud wont make the system anymore powerful.

I accept that though, and as an owner of both I still own the ugly and low FPS game Dead Rising 3. Its a fun game, it looks like a 360 game yes. That hasn't stopped me though.

I play games, and reguardless people need to stop thinking that this SDK is going to make it any better in terms of hardware. If the specs aren't up to par no amount of coding or optimization will fix that.

Now so long as they do as rumored and unlock that 8% of the 10% being locked off for Kinect from the GPU, yea we'll see some improvement. It may be small but at least its more reasonable then

"Can't wait for the SDK update which can make 1080p more achievable"

[DevilishSix]

Here is the problem I have with that statement. The 360 and the new XBL was a huge step up from the original Xbox. X1 is in some cases a step back from the 360. The X1 was not ready for launch or for primetime, MS simply went with what they had to try to stay pace with Sony. MS, Philly, Major Nelson, Penello...guys its ok to tell the truth there is still nobility in that

[Gh05t]

Agreed

Xbox was fun
Xbox 360 was easily two steps forward
X1 is a big step back

I hate that they released a console with less features than the previous regardless of how many people used it.

If I could do it all over again I would pass on the X1 and probably the PS4 too... at least for another 6-8 months when the games I want to play come out.

I'm so disappointed this generation.

[DevilishSix]

People on here can look at my history the last few months and think I am a Sony fanboy, a shill, or whatever, but that is far from the truth. Before PS4 I favored 360 and had a gold account for 9 straight years. I did not like what I saw from MS last year. I did not like the price, I do not like the kinect (I have one for the 360 and even my 7 year old doesn't like it). I thought we got a less powrful machine then we deserved so they could sell us a kinect.

So I spoke with my wallet and got the PS4 first and let my gold expire just before xmas. Haven't turned on my 360 since. Now that does not mean I don't want an X1 or that I do not desire to play some of those games. It the point of the whole matter. I am not going to buy a kinect. They offer a kinectless cheaper system down the line, then I will be in the market until then I need only worry about one platform. I will not defend MS for what they tried to pull last year or what they continue to try to push, I speak with my wallet.

[ramiuk1]

totally agree with you dude,X1 can do half the things the 360 could do.
its a shame but they rushed the console to catch up with ps4.
but in a way ps4 was rushed software wise also as features missing from it still havent appeared.

i just hope MS can get 1080p and ps4 not be gimped to look like on par.
love my ps4 and wouldnt consider xbone until it improves alot

[NeloAnjelo]

I rem MS laughing when the 10 year life cycle was discussed last gen. They came around eventually to this idea though. Just a few months in and rumours about new skews... Stick with the xBONE and keep tweaking. Early adopters, your core fans deserves this. Plus focus on hardcore games, not Kinect.

Also still support the 360... Which you clearly decided to forget.

[Valkyrieone]

The Xbox one will mature, that's for sure. Just like compost for my plants.

[LAWSON72]

You ask me the 360 was a lika a glass of milk in the fridge. When it first went in the fridge it was good,then it got cold and was great, and then after sometime it went bad

[CrowbaitBob]

I'm all for a console getting better with age, but I'm hoping by "maturing" he doesn't mean eventually becomes a dated piece of tech that's heavily bloated with unnecessary applications that it was never originally intended to handle.

What gets me, right now, is that it seems like the Xbox One is missing some fundamental elements that the 360 naturally acquired along its lifespan, and even some things that were in the 360 from day one.

I suspect the Xbox One has had a rough transition from a group of idiots that concieved last year's reveal concept and what will hopefully be a much improved version in the hands of a much more capable team going forward. I'm staying optimistic for the future regardless.

[AutoCad]

nice cant wait how the os will look in 2-5 years from now

[strigoi814]

how can XB1 be mature if you have shooting games flooded with kids.. i am just kidding

[_FantasmA_]

HA! No, it took a few years for it to shrivel up. I don't get the whole PS3 has no games thing. Back when I had only a 360, I still wanted a PS3 more because it had Killzone, Resistance, MGS, and the Sigma versions of Ninja Gaiden. Bioshock and Gears were great but they were never enough to satisfy me. 2 games is never enough. PS3 had what I wanted since the beginning but I waited (too long) until the price dropped.

[reaperman]

I have to say that I bought both PS4 & XBone on their respective release dates and although I have had the XBone from day one I played a couple of hours of DR3 and actually forced myself to sit through and complete Ryse which really didn't take that long. Since then I haven't even bothered to turn on the XBone because to me MS new console is one huge failure and I would be more than happy to sell it but due to the fact that the console is widely available everywhere and sitting on store shelves nobody wants to buy my second hand as new machine.
It would be so easy for me to be able to sell the PS4 as that is still hard to buy and could easily sell it.
Unfortunately for me the PS4 is the better machine and will continue to be the better machine with the better games which is why I am keeping it.
The XBone has started exactly where the Xbox 360 finished and will stay.... dead last!!

[e-p-ayeaH]

360 started being crappy since the kinect was introduced.

[DevilishSix]

There is alot of truth to your statement sir/madam/both.

[e-p-ayeaH]

sir is enough lol

[DevilishSix]

With the political correctness at such a level these days, it seems i worry about how even to address someone properly, lol.

[BattleTorn]

Sorry, Major Nelson!

Allow us to apologize for expecting your Xbox 360's SUCCESSOR (Xbox One) to have much of the features of its' PREDECESSOR (X360)

[ambientFLIER]

Isn't the PS4 missing features that the PS3 has, and that YET have to be patched in with updates?? Newsflash, both consoles were released unfinished.

But hey, sony defense force, just ignore that fact and focus on MS alone! It's the cool thing to do these days.

[BattleTorn]

Speaking of defence force, you know people can see your comment history?

[Grimhammer00]

That's really the truth. Kinect = more casual money but less core money.

MS looked at Wii and was seduced by Wii casual success. Failing to see that Ninny 1st party was a large reason for that success.

[urwifeminder]

After seeing how crap Mantle is cant wait for some Direct x action.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

''Can't wait for the SDK update''

why do you assume sony doesn't have an sdk/tool update around the corner too? wich will widen the gap to its previous status or very close to it.

[ambientFLIER]

Um, just because someone is eagerly awaiting an Xbox update, does not mean they believe the PS4 isn't getting one. Maybe they just don't give a damn, because they are simply excited about THEIR console getting it and could not care less about what the ps4 is doing. I mean, I know that's hard to comprehend for some of you that some people don't pledge allegiance to sony and viciously defend their "superior" choice, but just try to imagine it anyway...

Stop being so defensive. Jeez.

[mazakou]

Interesting, I am yet to purchase a PS4 (will be by months end), but from watching the retail it seems to be less the dedicated fan and more the word of mouth crowd. The Hardcore bought their respective system day one (and if funds were there both). I had to go with what my friends bought (now lets leave that for another day). The issue of maturity, a yes, The 360 was incredible those first years. MS never wanted to rule the market share. MS made moves to grab more marketshare and that they did. The games did it whether it was "hardcore", "core"' or "casual". Nintendo magically captured that casual crowd because the Wii was accessible. This is known. Sony has done what Sony always do. It was seemingly over for PS then, but MS let them back into the running. Here is what is going to happen all three are going to see how fickle the casual market is (sony already knows) and they will make the occasional amazing game that captures casuals. Ok too much I'm done

[assdan]

And then it was said, every picture of major nelson shall be of him in that stupid hat. They need something equally stupid to match his comments.

[Tedakin]

More like it took PS3 to mature. The 360 was awesome from day 1. PS3, in spite of great sales, was a bit of a mess the entire generation with the constant updates and bad party/messaging system.

[fluxmulder]

What is this guy's real name? I refuse to call him by his mid age crisis faux cool nickname.

[feraldrgn]

Larry Hryb.
I still don't know how to pronounce his surname.

[MajorMayhem70]

I own both consoles, but even I have to admit that Sony fanboys are obnoxious. It's amazing that any good news or even a positive point of view concerning the Xbox ups the immaturity level from those that don't even own an Xbox. I see more Sony fanboys responding in Xbox news than Playstation news. If you don't own an Xbox, and don't plan on ever buying an Xbox, why are y'all continuously swarming Xbox articles? I don't expect to get a mature answer, cause technically, there isn't a right answer as to why this behavior is acceptable.

Correction, if most of y'all are 16 and younger, my bad, that explains everything.

[2pacalypsenow]

Maybe it's not just sony fanboys there's PC elitist and Nintendo fans also some people just don't like MS doesn't mean they are sony fans , you as a Yankee fan should know about obnoxious people

[MajorMayhem70]

True. Boston Redsox fans are the most obnoxious fans there are. Thanks for reminding me of that... Lmao
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When negative comments are made about the Xbox and within that comment a boast about what the Playstation does, I don't know man, I might be going out on a limb here, but I feel pretty confident that people making those type of comments are considered Sony fanboys. Maybe your looking for me to say Playstation fanboys to be more politically correct. My bad. Just calling it the way I see it. Personally I like both consoles. I'm a fan of games, not companies that make consoles.

[Stedron]

your so full of shit!

[MajorMayhem70]

You can always tell when the truth hurts. People just wanna curse you but really not much else to say. Now go get your mamma to kiss your booboo. Step up or stop hating youngin.

[Stedron]

dude I have been coming to this site for 5+ years and had to endure trolling from xbox fans like you couldn't believe. All through last generation and even still today. Now Sony has/is doing things right you best believe its our/my turn don't like it leave.

[Cueil]

reading comprehension on this site is pethatic

[BTBuck1]

look at that pic of Major Nelson, that is a face of a man that is about to lose his job lol, he'll say anything to try and save his own skin at this point... even if it's a complete lie.

[Empire X]

The 360 was a decent system, but not right out of the box. The thing had a 54.2% failure rate. I wouldn't call that great right out of the box. If we are talking about games then yes the 360 had some great games, but the system out of the box was not so great.

[arbitor365]

the 360 matured? didnt it just become about kinect, TV, and call of duty?

[kennyng1026]

I was happier with games on 360 in the early stage (Dead Rising, Gears of War, Halo 3, Bio Shock etc).

I would say 360 declined instead of being mature in terms of games offered. ODST, Reach, Alan Wake are the exclusives I can remember. (they were not good at all)

While I could play Uncharted, Last of Us on PS3, I played only multiplatformers on my 360 just because I had more achievement than my trophies.

The situation was getting worse after the launch of Kinect, which I bought one.

I had some good time with Dance Central, Child of Eden, but I'd rather MS didn't waste time and resources on Kinect.

I've already abandoned all my achievement and got a PS4. I would only get a XB1 if it is Kinect free.

[2pacalypsenow]

What is he talking about? Xbox360 was boss when it came out with awesome games coming out every month like gears , cod 2 on release mass effect, dead rising ,GRAW etc..

[Whiskeyjacked87]

Minor Nelson looks sad in that hat lol

[iNFAMOUZ1]

Ohh its not even worth it

[SilentGuard]

After years and many updates later maybe the Xbone will finally match what the 360 already does and in many cases does better. Funny though I always figured next-gen would do what current gen does plus some and grow from there. Thanks though for the coming update that adds storage management...a no-brainer that should have been there from the begining.

[Rageanitus]

Do you know what has not matured.... the fanboys from all fronts :)

[foie]

Looks like the Xbone is in for the long haul of puberty.

[jspillen]

The original lineup on 360 made it hard to stand my ground as Sony gamer. In fact, I gave in and bought both. Some of the exclusives were just too good. And personally, I think Gears and Halo are solid games, but parts of them seem for younger audiences. It was games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Forza that made me go bi-console.

[Dfooster]

Due to the ps3's poor architecture the 360 had an easier ride for the first few years last gen especially with multiplatform games, that is until the developers finally got their heads around how to develop for the ps3.

Microsoft won't get that free ride this time and their machine is already lagging behind in power after the first 3 months so it doesn't bode well for the next 7-8 years.

[Tzuno]

i like this guy, because he's right.

[chrisarsenalsavart]

Judging by that picture it looks like Major Nelson has just been promoted as Microsoft games VP for the Siberian region.

[feraldrgn]

So in summary, he's saying you should wait until the Xbox one has "matured" before plonking your money down.
Right, gotcha.

[tigertron]

The 360's problem was that it got off to a great start and then the exclusives just came in trickles.

There was about 3 exclusives in 2010, about 2 in 2011, 2 in 2012 and 1 in 2013...

[dizeestl]

microsoft is becoming desperate, wow.

[DafunkyRebel]

Major Sadface

[H3ADWOUND81]

Is this corporate jester referring to the ps3? Has he been living in a Microsoft endorsed cave for the past 10 years? 360 was THE platform in the beginning, not the end. Then ps3 came out & bit by bit playstation were going in the right direction and MS was going further and further away from what core gamers actually wanted. They stopped listening and went after the family gaming Market. Microsoft has deluded it's employees as well as the Xbox faithful.

Major Nelson is a joke..

Thee end..

[Orionsangel]

The Xbox One is what the PS3 was at launch. An expensive greedy inspired console.

Now the PS4 is what the 360 was at launch. Perfectly priced with fan service.