Xbox One and PS4 Development is 8 to 10 Times Longer Than Last Gen, Says Capcom

CraveOnline: "To try and utilize the newfound resources of next-gen hardware, Capcom has begun work on a new engine it calls Panta Rhei, leaving the long-lived MT Framework behind. This new engine signals the beginning of an era where potential is through the roof. Unfortunately, it's also an era that requires more work than ever before."

[GarrusVakarian]

Lol, wut? Hasn't every other developer said the exact opposite?

8-10 times longer...usually game dev time is around 2-3 years, 3 x 10 = 30............

http://memecreator.eu/media...

[Xsilver]

Really Capcom you guys are the first to say that.

[gaffyh]

So Resident Evil 7 in 20 years guys...

[Joe913]

Games may be easier to develop but if everyone are making larger games then I can see it taking longer to make. If they keep games at around the same size it may be quicker to make but since they are going big for next gen it could take longer.

[pedrof93]

Well yes, better hardware so graphics need to better and more refined. So more time. (I think)

What devs have been saying is that its fast to port these consoles not developing.

[Ju]

It's not just "larger" it is also that the level of detail increased exponentially. We have really so much more details in those games which causes this. Also, he is saying "to fully take advantage" of the platform. Throwing things on it quick and dirty - and still exceed PS360 levels isn't really a challenge.

[Hatsune-Miku]

Xbox one and ps4 development will take us 8 to 10 times longer than last gen says capcom

[raWfodog]

In fact, what was quoted was:

"it's clear that heightened game quality leads to a rise in the number of man hours. The amount of work involved in making games for next-gen consoles is eight to ten times greater than what is required for the current generation of consoles."

Now this may be splitting hairs but the guy said the amount of WORK...is eight to ten times GREATER. The author of the article changed the essential meaning of that by saying the TIME is LONGER. It is possible to more work in a certain amount of time that you have usually done so this does not mean game development will take 8-10 times longer than usual.

[Newmanator]

There you have it guys, GTA 6 in 2064.

[kayoss]

Well it is Capcom. Would you expect something less? Look at how long it took them to release street fighter 4.

[minimur12]

The person who said this may just be talking about the design phase, with all the giga what nots and terrible flops dev's will want to make their models look the very best (Get Even, for example) and that phase will take alot longer that before. But the programming, and all of that side should be quicker. Animations will only get more fluent so that'll take longer (wouldn't say too much however)

[Utalkin2me]

Well considering the article says "8 to 10 times GREATER" and nothing about longer.

[tehpees3]

Capcom are obviously struggling with resources for these new systems. Everybody else has said they are easy to port to.

[karl]

maybe he refers to the amount of work in terms of designing those lvls and characters..

since they are soo much more detailed than before...

whats suppose to be way faster this time is the time to triangle ..

and u should watch that mark cerny video out there cuz i have no fucking idea how to explain what it is..

but again. this guy probably refers to creating the characters and incredible detailed texture we will be seeing this gen

[NukaCola]

If it takes 8 to 10 to develop for, then we may not have to deal with Supetr Ultra Street Fighter IV anytime soon.

[Kevin ButIer]

It sounds like a pretext for... Capcom games will be more expensive

[RedDevils]

Capcom should start packing their back and ready go bankrupt with that mentality

[Withdreday]

@tehpees3

It's probably because Capcom isn't a PC dev first like most devs are nowadays.

The PC architecture just might be that foreign to them as they're so used to deving for consoles first.

[ThePope]

Haha. Capcom is still trying to master the PS1. Don't worry they'll get it!

[Goro]

Capcom were at their best with PS1 with the old style Resident Evil games.

[ThePope]

@yakuza

I loved the original RE games. I own them for PSN. Capcom for the most part has lost its way. Though Dead Rising 3 is really fun.

[princejb134]

Shut up capcom go home your drunk
Every developer thus far have says how much easier it is to develop for next gen and the shorter amount of time needed to make a game is compared to last gen
I'm already picturing Capcom messing up again in this new generation

[rocky047586]

I think Capcom knows what they are talking about princejb134. If I put in 2080 labor hours of work in, that's a full calendar work year, 5 days a week for 8 hours a day. If Capcom is correct, they are saying that it will take 16,640 labor hours of work in a year compared to last gen. So instead of working 8 hour days for 5 days, the devs are putting in 20 hour days for 7 days in the same calendar year. Does that make sense?

[hkgamer]

i think he means at this point in time. staff are already used to developing on their old engine. now the new engine they will need to get used to it, the new engine will get better in time making it easier to develop for.

[Angels3785]

Capcom......who cares what they say. They don't know shit anymore

[Eyeco]

The company is so out of touch with gaming/ and gamers it breaks my heart thinking about what they once were.

[Angels3785]

100 % agree....heck they are out of touch with game development itelf!!

I just hope deep down is good

[AaronMK]

Capcom!? Nah... I wouldn't expect a AAA game studio to know a thing about game development.

It is better to trust the judgement of the random people here, many of whom have probably never set foot into a game studio.

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In all seriousness though, I'd love to know exactly how they calculate an 8 - 10X increase, and if that is typical.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well if you read the article Capcom's creating a brand new next gen engine called "panta Rhei". Some of Capcom's distress is from optimizing this engine and overall work load with next gen.

Though I heard it from other devs next gen is easier, faster and technically cheaper in some ways compared to last gen.

Capcom is a Japanese company. And Japanese devs aren't known for their timely engine optimization nor meeting certain deadline expectations (fan service stuff). Like western companies are.

[Rattlehead20]

Panta Rhei. It's like a manta ray...In pants.

[Ausbo]

"it's clear that heightened game quality leads to a rise in the number of man hours. The amount of work involved in making games for next-gen consoles is eight to ten times greater than what is required for the current generation of consoles."

The title misquotes it. Its not 8-10 times longer, but 8-10 times more work. Thats understandable because they are working on a totally new engine.

[dcj0524]

Wow. False titles. Ugh.

[raWfodog]

My bad, Ausbo. I'm just now seeing this from you. I didn't read down that much further from the top. I just pointed out the same thing at 1.1.6. There definitely is a big difference between WORK and TIME.

[Prime157]

I think the idea behind this article is different. They are just saying, "more squares on the screen means more to do." But getting the same caliber last gen would be insanely simple.

I feel like they mean longer, not harder... lol!

[-Foxtrot]

See how transitioning into HD gaming last gen was a huge strain for both Capcom and Square Enix....they never even got the hang of it, I mean look at how many franchises turned to crap and how bad the companies got

Now they seem like they are struggling again...I really think in the far future one of them are going to go bust.

You'll have the odd good game from them but it won't be enough to save them...rather see Resident Evil, DMC, Monster Hunter, Megaman go to a good home

[sonic989]

i think what they meant with that is the scale of the developments you know the levels the details even if the hardware is easy to work the software can be very tricky on its own

[Flewid638]

Easier, more efficient, yes. Longer, no.

You can do something easy for a long time. You can do something difficult quickly.

This is about length.

[voodoochildnyc]

im pretty sure they meant total man hours, not overall time

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Capcom your logic here doesn't really make sense but believe it anyway!

[its_JEFF]

@Lukas_Japonicus

I not a Dev and know nothing about how long developing a game takes... but when you break the #'s down like that, 30 yrs, it seems like sensationalist statement by Capcom.

[GarrusVakarian]

I know, i was just joking ;)

[3-4-5]

No Wonder Capcom is in the state it is..

They lack actual intelligent people working for them...or those in power aren't as smart as they think they are.

Has this person ever done math ?

At that rate, you couldn't ever even produce one game for this console.

That means we get a PS4 Capcom game 16 years from now ? on PS6

Just go out of Business Capcom.....

[TheHybrid]

Lol nice! Math for the win!

[LordDhampire]

Go Home Capcom, Your Drunk!

[adorie]

This just confirms that Capcom is bad at what they used to be good at. Seriously, Capcom, Get out.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

That's not what he said. He said the work is 8 to 10 times more, because the level of detail is higher. That could mean more time but it's offset by the ease of development I would think.

[BLuTheSecond]

8-10 times longer for Japanese developers, 8-10 times shorter for everyone else. Get ready to play Final Fantasy XVI and Gran Turismo 7 in 3570.

[hesido]

I am sure there's a lot of exaggeration, last gen development workflows already involved in creating billion poly characters, high res textures, complex shaders. There's no doubt in my mind that you have to create more detailed virtual worlds and it takes more man hours, and that's what the Capcom manager talks about.

But 8-10 times man-hours. That doesn't mean 30 years of development, it may mean 8-10 times bigger teams.
Still an exaggeration, but you can't simply multiply the duration, you have to take team-sizes into account.

[Gamer1982]

Its shorter as its technically older technology plus Capcom got Dead rising 3 out which they made in less than 2 years. So this is complete BS. Maybe they are saying this because they are making a new engine for deep down something they haven't done in a loooooong time.

[chaosdemon09]

Dang 30 years to make a game..Honestly I bet its just as easy to make a game on this gen then last gen..but for the ps4 its easier now cause ps3 as we heard was harder to develop for.

[GhostTurtle]

lol. true and funny

[assdan]

They proabaly mean that it's harder to use all of the assets. Doesn't make sense though. Everyone is saying this gen is easy to develop. for

[liquidhalos]

Exactly, if this 8-10 times longer was true we would be seeing a new Call of duty every 8 - 10 years

[maniacmayhem]

To much emphasis on graphics in my opinion. Video game companies should think about how movie industries work. Save up and dedicate a team to maybe 2 major AAA big budget games a year and have smaller teams turn out games that don't rely on fancy graphics and are faster to put out throughout the year.

Smaller arcade type of titles, old school RPG's, a couple of platformers. WE need to get back to the old arcade days, not everything has to be this huge big budget Michael Bay like experience.

[DragonKnight]

Not that I disagree with "getting back to the old arcade days" because I don't, but you can't compare game development to movie development. It's so vastly different that there's no feasible way to implement that kind of development process. There's just too many variables involved.

[maniacmayhem]

What I mean to imply is movie industries save up 2 or 3 of their huge blockbusters for the summer. Summer movies is where you can usually find the huge explosions, action packed, hype movies that everyone is waiting for. Throughout the rest of the year you'll find more sensible films, independent films, films that don't rely on the popcorn action.

Of course there are exceptions around Thanksgiving and Christmas but summer is where you'll find most of the big budget movies.

This is how the video game industry should work. Grace us with smaller titles and arcade like games and have one or two AAA titles a year or every other year. This would possibly also lessen the loss of impact of devs/publishers if the AAA game (especially a new IP) didn't do so well in sales.

And I do think that movie and game development are similar. Both have production teams made of different talent and departments. Both industries have budgets that go into the millions, you have directors, producers and distributers. Artists, music composers and designers, the list goes on.

[DragonKnight]

I agree with most of what you say, but I still say video game development and movie development are different beasts.

Video game development has to cater to a demographic that has far more demands than the movie demographic does.

To give you an example, let's take the upcoming Batman vs. Superman movie (the Ben Affleck Batman one)

The demands of comic fans are really the only thing the movie studio has to worry about. And those only involve staying true to the source.

But then you look at games and you have people demanding the best graphics, flawless gameplay, engaging story, killer soundtrack, nigh endless replayability, no microtransactions, reasonable DLC. They tear apart every trailer for the slightest hint of information regarding a release date, they complain about the smallest pixel looking out of place. Game developers have so much more to worry about than movie developers.

[maniacmayhem]

I definitely understand what you are saying but I feel movie fans and video game fans are pretty much the same beast.

Have you seen the forums explode when Ben Affleck or Gal Gadot was announced as Batman and Wonder Women? The internet went friggen nuts with anger over something they haven't even seen yet.
Or when the guy from Sons of Anarchy was announced as the lead for 50 Shades of Grey, the guy had to back out because the public was so outraged. (he claims it was scheduling conflicts)

Sort of like what we are seeing now with the whole Titanfall 6v6 debacle.

Both industries have demographics that they have to cater too. For movies you have the kid market, college kids(hipsters), horror fans, movies that cater to African Americans, teens and tweens, etc.

I also agree with you that game developers might have a lot more to worry about. Only because movies can flop and it appears movie studios are unaffected because they can make up revenue with DVD/Blu-ray and over seas sales.

Of course I'm not sure about this because I am not in the movie industry. But I am in the video game industry and I have seen a lot more video game studios close down than movie studios.

I guess what it comes down too is each industry has their XTREME fanboys. Ones that will take to the forums as you said and pick apart everything they see.

But back on topic:
I wouldn't even mind games released for the new systems with PS3 quality graphics and the concentration was more on design and dynamic gameplay.
Give me a game that looks like TLoU but is fully open, multiple endings, actions that truly effect the environment and characters and allows for true multiple endings.

[quaneylfc]

The old arcade days? Where a person was practically condemned for playing games, being labelled as a nerd and having the common gamer stereotype of looking like an owl.

Anything before this time where video games don't rule the entertainment medium and your friends, the prime-minister (that slimy faced gimp) and even your mum play them is bad. what else would we play other then a slew of super mario, sonic and elite ripoffs. nostalgia is hurting the games industry, that is why no-one considers indie games as important as they should be.

[DragonKnight]

*facepalm* He means the style of games. It was quite obvious that maniac meant that this obsession over AAA games all the time is a detriment to the industry and we should curb our expectations and learn to love the less graphically motivated games instead of always expecting blockbuster games that cost far too much money to make.

Geez, every time someone says anything similar to "I would love for gaming to go back to the good old days" someone has to bring up "you mean the good old days of societal ostracism, where we were all looked down upon? Those good old days?"

You know what, I grew up playing the NES and had plenty of gamer friends. I was never looked down upon for it, and I didn't give a damn if some stuffed shirt loser with too much time on their hands that they use to look down on people or complain about nonsense liked it or not. I had fun playing video games then, I have fun playing them now, that's all that mattered.

[UnHoly_One]

Consider yourself lucky, DragonKnight.

I'm still looked down upon by my family for playing games to this day.

[DragonKnight]

I am lucky, my family are all gamers.

But family shouldn't put family down for any reason, especially something like that. They should consider themselves lucky you don't make fun of them for what they choose to do with their spare time.

[quaneylfc]

AAA games are the industry is so well regarded today so you can't say they are a detriment because they are giving money to conglomerates instead of "the people." without the conglomerates "the people" wouldn't have the hardware to make their games. It isn't a case of the chicken and the egg. Games are bought for many reasons, reasons like preference, age, purpose, shiny graphics, etc

[DragonKnight]

No they aren't. AAA games didn't make the industry what it is. What makes you think that? AAA games are just showpieces. You think Fox News holds the gaming industry in high regard because of AAA games? They hate on the industry because of them.

The gaming industry is well regarded today because over time it changed to making games that different kinds of people could enjoy. Themes are the reason why gaming is well regarded. If AAA games were the reason, then the PC market would have been what caused it a long time ago.

[Tetsujin]

I agree with about 90% of what you stated; release a couple of big budget games a year with smaller games over time to help fund bigger projects.

What we really need is devs who aren't scared to try new things to actually show there's a market for that type of game instead of 1/3rd person shooters with the occasional "odd ball" game that does decent. Or at least visit memory lane with some older titles (as HD remasters or remakes), and use that as a base to decide if certain games should get a reboot, or a continuation; Shenmue being a big one with the way 2 ended.

[quaneylfc]

Yeah, advice of the people to big companies. yeah you will get moneys if you do this, but if you do it this way people will give you more moneys! a game based around mods would be good, an open world one like gta but the ability to change it at any time.

[liquidhalos]

@Maniacmayhem

How i wish this site would let me click agree a million times. Very well said mate

[jay2]

Lol no way if others say no to this capcom are failing

[Kayant]

Doesn't make too much sense seeing as there will be three platforms sharing a common architecture apart from the memory & API differences. Shouldn't development be more streamlined now?

Also this doesn't reflect what other devs have said.

[Mr-Dude]

How come MS & Sony say development will go faster because of the X86 architecture? Not to mention, a lot of developers say the opposite

[GamersHeaven]

It will what I think Capcom is trying to say is taking advantage of the hardware is longer its more powerful has way more memory to work with.The difference is getting the game up in running is extremely easy compared to last generation hardware.

[cjflora]

If this excuse was viable wouldn't most PC games that can be played on high end system take forever to make?

[Death]

PC development has been x86 based since Windows 3.1. There aren't many tricks that devs haven't done. Console development has never been this close to PC development so traditional console devs need to play a little catch up. Porting from PC to console is extremely fast since the Xbox One and PS4 APU is very similar to a PC setup. While less powerful when looked at individually, the combined APU gets a boost since both the CPU and GPU are on the same die. Devs need to take advantage of this to get similar results they would see on a stronger PC.

The time killer is filling in the pixels the additional resolution offers. Both consoles have an excellent upscaler on the APU's GPU. This was a time and money saver for developers, but has been portrayed as being a bad thing to use by gamers with excellent vision and a lot of time to study still screen captures.

Capcom is correct that is can take 8-10 times longer to develop triple A games for the new consoles. I'm sure someone will let them know that having more people on the development team will shave off some of that time. What they need to do as a developer is make sure their business model is sound. If additional personel doesn't bring in additional revenue, they need to find another way to make money.

[Utalkin2me]

It does not take 8-10 times longer. Sorry that's total BS. So you're saying a game will take any where from 16-24 years to make?

[Oschino1907]

@Both, read the article, seems most aren't even the ones not overreacting and talking in a sensible way.

[Utalkin2me]

@Oschino1907

I read the article just fine. My reply was not to the article, my reply was to death.

[Death]

They are talking man hours not years. To get games done in the same time frame as last gen, they need to hire additional personel to do it. If there are 8-10 times as many man hours needed, they need to have a team that is 8-10 times larger or create better tools to reduce the man hours needed to get it done.

[Hicken]

Having more work doesn't automatically equate to there being more man-hours. Because the games are much easier to make, the amount of work having increased is offset somewhat.

Wrong, as usual, Death.

[Death]

Capcom senior manager Masaru Ijuin shared with OXM.UK:

"it's clear that heightened game quality leads to a rise in the number of man hours. The amount of work involved in making games for next-gen consoles is eight to ten times greater than what is required for the current generation of consoles"

I dunno Hick, I'm leaning more towards the guy at Capcom having a better idea what is going on at Capcom just a smidge more than you.

[liquidhalos]

It will never take 8-10 times longer to develop games for this gen of consoles.

Lets say a game used to take 2 years to make from scratch on last gen (i made that figure up, its just an example) If on this gen it takes between 8 to 10 times longer were saying that a game will take roughly 16 - 20 years to make for this gen. What a load of rubbish.

[maniacmayhem]

*looks at above comments*

A lot of people are not actually reading the article and realizing what the article is saying.

"Many gamers are under the impression that because of the Xbox One and PS4's more streamlined X86 hardware, they should be easier to develop for. While that's true in the sense that coding for them is less of a day-by-day challenge than consoles of past, tapping out their power requires an incredible amount of work."

[JonnyBigBoss]

I'm glad someone said it. :)

[christocolus]

I guess thats one of the many reasons sony and ms have been hiring alot of late,getting the best graphics out of these consoles will actually require more time.

Studios will grow bigger this gen and unfortunately some may die out.

[Oschino1907]

Hopefully not die out but rather then trying to make sub par "AAA" they focus on making fun simpler games that can push things in other ways.

And don't forget simpler is/will be ps3/xbox360 quality and better with time. Lots of room this gen for everyone and more variety to come then ever imo.

[christocolus]

@oschino.

I hope so too. I really dont want any more studios closing up i.e Thq, akklaim, lucasarts,volition and many others.

[wishingW3L]

"coding for them is less of a day-by-day challenge than consoles of past"

"tapping out their power requires an incredible amount of work."

^That's a contradiction.

[theXtReMe1]

No it isn't. What they're saying is, yes it's easy to get games up and running on the new consoles due to their x86 architecture, but it's a challenge to tap all of the power behind them.

Like any other system in the history of consoles, it takes time and education. Once they learn how to get the most power out of the consoles, it won't be so much of a challenge to code to the metal and develop some extraordinary titles.

Once they do, I think everyone will be quite amazed at what developers will accomplish.

[dennett316]

It really doesn't, especially for a developer who has ever worked on a PC version of a game. There's extra power in these consoles when compared to the last gen, but they still can't really approach a top spec PC.
Less constraint in a more familiar architecture makes things easier for devs, not harder....especially if they've done PC work before.

[liquidhalos]

Same is true for every generation of of consoles. Just compare games that come out at the beginning of a generation to those that come out at the end of the consoles life. The first examples that come to mind are halo 3 and halo 4, Uncharted 1 and uncharted 3. Games get richer as the lifespan of the console matures

[Callediceman]

deep Down delayed until 2043.

[JonnyBigBoss]

I lol'd.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

absolute BS

[The_KELRaTH]

Agreed, I'm thinking excuses just to charge more!

[lnfiniteLoop]

think they are just trying to make everyone think they put some real work into the DLC they are gonna charge big money for on their next title...

[AKR]

Well...If you're looking to create a game that pays a boat-load of attention to "next-gen level" graphical detail; so much so that a spec of dust has high-res textures; I guess it would take a little longer.

My little joke aside; hopefully game-devs actually focus on making their games fun first and pretty later, instead of the reverse. Yes; the next-gen means a leap in every category, but I just hope they don't lose focus on what's most important...

[dennett316]

Absolute nonsense. Devs have been working on 1080p and complex engines for years at this point...they were simply scaled back until they fit within the spec of the 360 and PS3. The power of the Ps4 and, to a lesser extent, Xbox One simply removes a lot of those old barriers and restrictions. Updated engines are worked on all the time, and they are then licensed out for devs to use the pre-built assets...and Sony and MS also develop new tools and drivers to assist the devs in getting more out the hardware.
Capcom are simply trying to justify their greedy DLC practices.

[GadgetGooch]

Sorry for swearing but that article is bullshit

[XtraTrstrL]

It's not like it matters to Crapcom. They just outsource all their work to random, unknown devs for cheap anyways. This is them buying more time is all. 8-10x longer, lol, Panta Rhei was what they were raving about because it's suppose to save them time and lighten the manpower needed. They're just all over the place, damn chicken with it's head cut off. I'll keep an eye on this game, but like I said before, with Crapcom behind it, there's sure to be a nasty catch to the free-to-play.

[curtis92]

I'm sure capcom investors are thrilled with them right now. What a weird thing to say. Where did they come up with that figure? No matter how you slice it, that makes them sound extremely ill-prepared for video game development.

[desertpunk86]

maybe for jap devs.

[WeAreLegion]

Good thing Sony helped them make deep down then. Is anyone else bothered that deep down isn't capitalized?

[FANTA1180]

its capcom guys ....theyre backwards like a mofo

[PaleMoonDeath]

If hiring new staff is totally out of reach, Capcom.. why do you still exist?

Times move forever forward, every game these days with the Capcom logo attached I fear for the worst, if they mess up again this gen.. Capcom are gone.

[Dfooster]

Ha ha someone at capcom hasn't done their math before opening their mouths. If this were true then there would be precisely no games out for any of the new consoles before ps5 and Xbox Two were released.

[Ashby_JC]

Maybe im blind. But where in the article is Capcom quoted sayin "8-10 times longer" ???

Misleading headline to get hits??

EDIT

They said....8-10 times greater. As in they have to put more detail and work into current gen.

[pootymcpoockle]

Resident evil 7 for the Playstation 6 confirmed!

[CocoWolfie]

6 - 7 months at the minimum and thats 70 mon.. i.. how are they even releasing games?!

[Newmanator]

There you have it guys, GTA 6 coming 2064.

[PersonMan]

As the hardware becomes more power, more amounts of detail can be placed in the game. Those details aren't automatically created.

Think about it this way... a photo-realistic painting will take longer than drawing a cartoon. It takes a hell of a lot of work to make a game look realistic.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

So what Capcom is saying is they are going bankrupt.

[brads4]

You people can't read worth a damn.

It said MAN HOURS. that does not translate to an increase in schedule, but an increase in the number of people working on the project.

Meaning that they must staff with more people, which makes complete sense, when you consider the ever increasing scale of maps, detail in graphics etc. They even said in the article that it had nothing to do with programming, which is true.

TLDR; Next gen development costs more money, not takes more actual time (necessarily).

[jakmckratos]

Capcom: Okay at games. Bad with math.

[LogicStomper]

Why are they bad with math?

[jakmckratos]

Current dev time is 2 to 3 years.8 to 10 times longer would make it 16 to 30 years

[LogicStomper]

"Current dev time is 2 to 3 years.8 to 10 times longer would make it 16 to 30 years"

I suggest you read the article rather than the title.

[DCfan]

I read this as "We'll be pumping 8 to 10 DLCs per game"

[YellowTempes]

yea, well, Capcom also sucks balls so...

[Davuskus]

This is bullshit

[zpoc]

if that's what capcom really thinks, we can expect them to go out of business this generation.

[D-riders]

What games take 2 years 8 to 10 times is 16 to 20 years

[tommygunzII]

We have barely even started next gen when it comes to brand new (non sequel) IP development. I encourage taking as much time as possible to create a game.
Companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft are masters at spitting games out in 12-18 months and in my opinion they should be the ones criticized.
Franchises like GTA, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and such take more time and resources. Each of these last games took around 4 years to make.
As long as they stay away from DLC and microtransactions Capcom has the potential to make great games. My new favorite game is Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen which shows me they are capable of making epic games.

[JohnS1313]

There's a huge error in this math. If a game took two years to develop on the PS3 and 360 and now takes up to ten times longer that would mean up to 20 years, wouldn't it?

[Gambloid]

Its a good job Capcom aren't developing the next Duke Nukem...

[TheGrimReaper0011]

BAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
If that was true, then lets see how long it would take to make Deep Down
Lost Planet 2 was released : 2010
Lost Planet 3 was released : 2013
So for the sake of convience, let's say Lost Planet 3 took 3 years to make (although it's probably shorter than that)
If we then take this at face value, that would mean that deep down would take somewhere between 24 and 30 years to make, because 8 to 10 times longer than 3 years = 24 - 30
Even if a game took a year to make, that would still mean it would take 8 tot 10 years to make this game
Don't be so full of shit

[Max-Zorin]

To hell with the Japanese Ed Edd N Eddy.

[kewlkat007]

These false "titles" make people foam at the mouth...

[rafaman]

I am just waitiing deep down on xbox one. we know it is coming

[zerocrossing]

This may just be an excuse for them to carry on reusing old game assets...

[Nodoze]

I guess that means we will never see another final fantasy game.

[Buzz7S]

What's wrong? Finding it more difficult to add disc-locked content and then sell it on respective online stores for a ridiculous amount?

[eddvdm]

Right. Lots of game development geniuses giving opinions about the creation of a new Engine for new platforms. Really useful discussion here.

Disagree is the second one \/

[Kakashi Hatake]

No no, that's PS4 and Xbox One. Seriously, why does 90 percent of journalists give Xbox One top billing in news articles. PlayStation has been around longer than Xbox, Sony sold more hardware than Microsoft throughout the years, PS4 is easier to develop for, PS4 has sold more units than Xbox One, it was released amd announced 1st, more game is development for it etc etc. Why constantly give Xbox One higher billing than PS4. I know it sounds petty, but it's just something I notice.

[InTheZoneAC]

new gen:

-new engines or older optimized engines
-more animations
-more polygons

With teams needing more manpower to put out games in the timeframe as before they really need to sell a great game. Any flop is going to hurt more than before.

There'll be no more games like Lost Planet seeing a 3rd installment, no more Final Fantasy's not selling like FFXIII yet having a 3rd one release.

Step your game up

[SephirothX21]

I think they're talking about the creation of a game engine, not a game. With better hardware, there are so many new features that can be added. When it comes to dynamic realistic lightning and dynamic occlusion culling, rendering engines can do more than ever before. Then if you look at the different shader stages such as the hull and tessellation stages, things get more complex. The gpu is doing more now that we have the compute shader. From vertex skinning for skeletal animation to complex particle systems and physics calculations, the gpu can be used for so much. Though there are many ways to do things and trying to find what's optimal is quite difficult. When it comes down to it, a game will always perform better when an engine is tailored specifically to meet its needs. This is why developers using third party engines like Unreal Engine and CryEngine require source code.

[N4GJD]

That's interesting, considering every other developer has said the opposite, and the PS4's time-to-triangle is as quick as the original PlayStation. Maybe the statement is just being misinterpreted.

[jut420]

Trying to keep expectations low? I thought this gen was going to save dev time/cost compared to what everyone else has said

[ChipChipperson]

Awwww, poor Capcom? Afraid to invest a little more work on your games?

[feraldrgn]

I would've guessed it would even out.

More expense & time for prettier & larger games, but less expense & time for easier hardware.

Sounds like they're setting themselves a safety net.

[n1kki6]

That's weird since making PC games look awesome hasn't hindered development time and these are basically just PCs with proprietary hardware. I smell bullshyt

[proskatercam]

So Kingdom Hearts III is probably going to be...2070? Give or take, of course...probably higher...

[DivineHand125]

If you guys bothered to read the article you would have seen the true meaning of what was meant. What they were trying to say is that in order for them to advantage of the power these systems possess, they are now required to pay more attention to detail than ever before(by common sense this means more work which means more time) because if they release a last gen looking game on these next gen systems, it will not sell.

[spoonard]

Seems to me this is a great excuse for them to use to attempt to raise prices on their games. Remember when the jump was made from $49.99 to $59.99? That's all everyone talked about was development time and how development budgets had swelled to $20 million dollars for a triple-A title so they had to raise the standard price from $49.99 to $59.99 so that they could produce quality titles.

Unfortunately for them they already opted to tell everyone and make it well known that development times have gone down DRASTICALLY with the new generation of consoles. So we all know that Capcom is just lying.

[DinoNYC]

The Last Guardian....3014

[LordHiggens]

8-10 times?

....

Half Life 3 confirmed?

[Duoma]

All i know is with all this extra power and resources theyre touting game developers need to stop being lazy with certain things in games like copy and pasting the same enemy in a game and doing a palette swap and calling it sometihing else (im lookig at you RPG's.

[gigoran]

Silly guy thinks its news because he believes they are saying it will take then 10 times longer to make a game when in fact they are just saying there is 10 times more work to do which could be done in the same time with more workers. So in reality... No story. Poor guy.

[kingPoS]

I think I understand. Easy to code for and easy to develop for are two different things. There's a learning curve involved.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[il-JumperMT]

So FFXV has been in development for PS3 for 10 years. Since it changed to PS4 now it will be released in 2114!

[bednet]

As with any project there are three variables that can be adjusted to reach an end result: Duration, Cost and Scope.

In order to achieve an acceptable release windows, they play with these. Either reduce features (scope), augment budget (cost) or take more time (duration). Balancing these is the key here.

If it takes 8 to 10 time more effort (not longer), one can do as the author assumes and increase duration when in reality it either means less features in the game or a higher development cost.

[Spore_777]

They just put themselves on the spot. Now Capcom has no choice but to release stellar games hereon out.

[DynDasE]

I would say that this only happens in Japan.

1. Handheld (Nintendomination) ruins console game development. No developer wants to sell console game any more.
2. No developer even know how to use Unreal Engine 3 properly.
3. Major developers go Smartphone. (CAPCOM)

[turgore]

What a load of crap...it won't take 20 years to make a game, especially since you can just crank up the textures and resolution and you are set.

[PurpHerbison]

To be completely fair, Capcom hardly works with HD. But that is still ridiculous.

[rafaman]

Article´s title is misleading. It takes 8 times more work to craft the game, but not 8 times longer. This is a huge difference of terms

[fluke8]

This is probably a precursor to their statement explaining why they are going to gouge players with microtransactions in Deep Down.

[martinlovegoodie]

everyone knows it take capcom forever to develop a game. Resident Evil 5 took so fucking long. and lost planet 2 took so fucking long. ehehhmm....

[1nsomniac]

Typical Capcom!

[Abromb]

It's a given that games will need more time as graphics, physics, and AI get more complex... I'm a bit ignorant to the development process of games, but shouldn't this level out as more and more complex engines are introduced as this generation proceeds?

I know 8-10x longer is most likely blown way out of proportion.

[MxRBrobaFett]

Shut up and go make another horrible RE game, Capcom

[brads4]

This is not bullshit, it makes complete sense. Let me put it this way...

100 man hours

with 1 guy working, it takes, 100 hours
with 2, it takes 50
with 3 it takes 33.333

So while they say MAN HOURS are up 10x, that just means they need to hire more people to meet the schedule..