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Rumor: Activision wanted to utilize the full Xbox One GPU power for Ghosts, Microsoft declined

According to Thuway, who has been pretty accurate with his prediction of Battlefield 4 resolution on Xbox One/PS4 along with Call of Duty: Ghosts resolution on Xbox One/PS4; Activision wanted to utilize extra 10% of GPU power that is allocated for Kinect use but Microsoft denied it saying "No it would result in the environment being too unstable."

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OC_MurphysLaw3869d ago

Interesting if true..... have to wonder what "unstable" would imply.

mattdillahunty3869d ago

yeah, they make it sound like they're handling uranium or something. lol.

kneon3869d ago

Nah, handling Uranium is pretty simple unless you've managed to get a large pile of highly enriched Uranium.

You want unstable try this stuff, it's a lot of fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Maddens Raiders3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

I think they are talking about possibly stressing the OS too much as it relates reliability of the hardware in light of having to upclock but still only getting native 900P. Take this with a grain of salt as w/ any number of /rumors/ going around about issues MS has had with it as it pertains to yields and "rushing" out the system. http://www.cinemablend.com/...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but MS should've have just waited and polished up their system with a 2014 release. There would have been nothing wrong with that at all.

DARK WITNESS3869d ago

Well the fallout from the xbone going belly up after all the other crap that it has gone through would be the equivalent to an A bomb going off...

ProjectVulcan3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

This is another potential problem for Microsoft.

Xbox 360 from day one had a mere 32mb of OS memory overhead and a single CPU thread I believe of 6 available on the 3 cores, as well as a pretty tiny amount of the GPU performance for scaling. They had this nailed down from the start, it took years for Sony to reduce PS3's memory footprint which at launch was in excess of 100mb.

However, Microsoft appear to be battling the bloat on Xbox One. Kinect, coupled with not one but 3 operating systems seems to be chewing up plenty of resources. 10 percent GPU performance, a bunch of system memory and it seems 2 entire cores of the 8 core CPU.

PS4 also reserves a lot of memory and a couple of CPU cores it seems but not nearly as much GPU performance- of an already faster chip.

They will both work to get that down but you have to imagine it'll surely be easier for Sony to reduce their overheads much further than Microsoft ever can on Xbox one, just because of kinect and the rest of the things they are attempting with their OS.

Kayant3869d ago

@vulcanproject

Well said i really don't think they would be about to give devs all that 10% after optimization due to the fact that GPU allocation is mostly used for the OS(Snap & Quick resume).... Seeing how quickly it exists a game & continues running it in the background seems like it will require quite of a bit GPU processing.

Xsilver3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

Soooooooooo the Kinect is the bottleneck smfh MS= http://newnation.sg/wp-cont...
We all know in the coming years games are gonna become more demanding so i don't know if the xone will fair well unless the devs Master the Esram but the same guy(thuway) that leaked this rumor also said that Esram will always be a bottleneck so idk.

ProjectVulcan3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

If you are going to run a feature like snap on games and have that kind of multitasking its pretty much inevitable you need to leave graphics resources free at all times unless you want stuttery, slow responses from the UI.

It takes a bit just to run a UI over the top like 360 did and PS3 eventually enabled. Remember how difficult it was for Sony to get XMB to finally run on top? Remember how it started off kinda sluggish and got a bit better with updates over the years?

Well that ain't free. Even on faster consoles it'll suck up resources, but what Microsoft want with snap and running skype or apps simultaneously, picture in picture, that fast scaling, UI overlays etc etc.....it'll use a fair bit if Microsoft wants it to function correctly without potential memory/CPU/GPU overflow.

It'll all pull resources away from games, particularly GPU and CPU cycles. Its more of a blow if you begin with less hardware performance in the first place.

JoySticksFTW3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

Neogaf's Proelite said this a few week backs

The biggest issue with Xbox One isn't 720p, it's what happens if some games push the system.

He said the choice was 720p or questionable OS stability, so MS is choosing to limit some games at 720p - 900p.

Found the link
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

P0werVR3869d ago

No matter how these rumors come about, Xbox One will be THE console. I predict 2qt of next year.

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solidboss073869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

If these consoles are Uranium, then XBone is enriched to what can be used for medical research.
Whereas PS4 is weapons grade baby, 90%+...Yeehaw.

vigilante_man3869d ago

No big deal. As a developer of a console you know what hardware you can develop for and you max the heck out of it.

Rather than trying to outdo PS4 - which seems unlikely for any game this next gen - Microsoft and said developers need to create the best XB1 experience possible.

We all win then.

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Blackdeath_6633869d ago

crashing/glitchy UI maybe? also would 10% still be allocated if you don't have it connected

MysticStrummer3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

Yeah the UI thing is what I would guess also. It makes sense, given the multimedia focus of the console. They'd rather be able to Snap than have the games look as good as they can, which is sad in my book if the rumor is true. Guess it depends on what a person wants from a console.

Mike134nl3869d ago

Maybe the kinect wouldn't be able to function as advertised if the 10% gpu dedicated to kinect would be used for other purposes. Using kinect (to activate any snap features etc.) would make the game and kinect functions unstable.

pyramidshead3869d ago

Ouch, kinect holding on to 10% of the GPU and the horror story of the XB1 OS must be a massive headache for devs.

Let's hope they sort it. That's 10% of an already weaker GPU though that must be the real clincher :/

Ron_Danger3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

My guess would be something NSA related (he typed sarcastically)

Too many theories and rumors going around with both consoles... It's getting more anoying as we approach the launches.

Edit: I love how I typed "he typed sarcastically" and I still get a disagree...

Why can't people have a sense of humor anymore online?

tagan8tr3869d ago

Your right R_Danger we all need to lighten up myself included, no matter what a sony fanboy says about xbox or vice versa sony/microsoft would welcome that person with open arms.

Codey473869d ago

This is N4G you are NOT allowed to have a sense of humour/humor nor are you allowed to be sarcastic.

If the Xbone was actually more powerful than it actually is N4G would probably be a happier place.

These console wars can be brutal, unfortunately.

GarrusVakarian3869d ago

This is a rumour and we should treat is as such...BUT if this IS true then that's F'd up. A dev asking for more power and you deny them? Wow.

black0o3869d ago

as some1 above said ''snapping apps is more important then getting the games look good''

torchic3869d ago

what else was Microsoft supposed to do? it's kind of the same thing as a developer asking Microsoft if they can use more RAM for their game, or asking to use one more core, like okay?

I don't even get why Activision asked? it's an allocation for a feature Microsoft deems necessary for the operation of the console.

I don't know much about how game developers use resources but as far as I know, when a part of architecture is cornered off, it's cornered off.

Clover9043869d ago

Doubt it means much. Xbox One and PS4 are new console that are still working out their kinks. So maybe not now, but developers may be permitted to use all of the One's power down the road.

BX813869d ago

My guess is frame rate maybe? I can see this being true because of the scope of ms's launch titles not hitting 1080p 60fps. Despite what many on this site would have us believe it's far from over, I agree ms titles will only get better. It's a process to launch new hardware. The more advanced we get the harder it will be. I think Sony just has the advantage of easier to dev for hardware.

nukeitall3869d ago

It means that the software is designed to expect 10% GPU allocation for Kinect. If you remove that, you don't know what systems will fail without proper code-review, rewrite and testing.

During launch, when you are trying to get features out, it is a bad idea to re-engineering things. MS already had to do this with going back to stone age physical discs.

They are probably also trying to get all their development tools for the finalized hardware out.

clonerz3869d ago

I will take my physical copy "fanboy"" mr butthurt" I like to own what I purchase

DARK WITNESS3869d ago

if having physical media was such a backwards thing, why MS even bother putting a disk drive in the console in the first place.

pyramidshead3869d ago

"During launch, when you are trying to get features out, it is a bad idea to re-engineering things. MS already had to do this with going back to stone age physical discs."

Their vision was flawed, accept it. Think about all those people who wouldn't have bought the console because they'd have to wait weeks to download 50GB games. 2020+ the original XB1 may have been more viable.

sigfredod3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

Thats what happen when your objective is to produce a all in 1 box, handle many things but not very good at anything

nukeitall3869d ago (Edited 3869d ago )

Are you saying PC isn't good at anything either?

Surely it is possible to design one box that is good at many things. It just takes more time, and I think the Xbox One seemingly makes excellent tradeoffs to achieve said goals.

GuruMeditation3869d ago

@nukeitall I think it's quite clear that is not what he was implying. PC has the horsepower and architectural oomph to be a jack-of-all-trades, whereas xbox one seems more of a one armed juggler at this juncture. Chuck too much at it and stuff's gonna get dropped...

Visiblemarc3869d ago

Maybe it's because Kinect is somehow integrated in such a way that it can't be "undone" so there is basically no such thing as using it's memory/gpu but rather you'd end up sharing it and competing for resources .

mistertwoturbo3869d ago

That and 10% isn't going to make up a 125% deficit in resolution, then again they might have at least got it to run at 900p.

bryam19823869d ago

americans.don't know.how.to.build shit.no more houses made.out.of gypsum (drywall) and wood or particle.board no.wonder a little bit of water destroys them,cars made out of fiber glass consoles that.break easily

Blaze9293869d ago

"There is no way I can prove what I'm about to say, except you will just have to believe me. Comes from a source who I trust without fail."

so we still treating Xbox One anonymous sources as fact huh? Same old hate, just a different rumor.

BallsEye3869d ago

Yep, another info from a super neogaf insider who is wrong 9/10 times but when this one time he is right they write articles about his unbelievable predictions...same as CBOAT. I dog have better true/false ratio by wagging his tail.

GrandTheftZamboni3869d ago

Don't be so harsh on yourself. You're not a dog. And don't wag CBOAT's tail to predict future.

AngelicIceDiamond3869d ago

ESRAM issues.

10% of X1 power used for Kinect.

Everything I wanted to say but like always, nobody wants to listen.

MS said they'll have a solution for this in the future. Hopefully its in the near future because X1 needs to be outputting 1080P.

cellfluid3869d ago

Red ring of death ring a bell... Lol

Ps4Console3868d ago

Not long now for the Ps4 launch , these articles are just too much all the time feed us with excitement like Ps4 games & interesting points behind the Ps4 that is what we want .

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TIER1xWOLFPACKx3869d ago

That title is asking for greenpowerz or elitegamer saying it's the dual gpu they wanted to use without them reading the article. Bit of a worry though if it was to make it unstable something isnt right there

Volkama3869d ago

Likely true. Why wouldn't Activision ask about utilising some extra power if they're struggling to hit their 1080p target?

We already know MS are going to work to free up that 10% resource over time, which implies they can't free up that resource now without shutting off the system-level features that use it.

svoulis3869d ago

Maybe over time they mean when the OS is stable without Kinect? Although I find it hard to believe considering Microsoft already stated you don't even need the Kinect plugged in anymore to use the XO.

I dunno so many rumors and speculations going around making my head spin. It is just scary that almost all the rumors turn out to be true.

Microsoft, what are you doing. Microsoft Staph.

Manic20143869d ago

I think they meant the use of kinect with the system will become unstable. Hopefully they get the fix within the next couple of months so Dev's can use 100% of the GPU.

nukeitall3869d ago

@MMEHTA:

One of the issues will be that they when Kinect needs the resource it doesn't have it causing the system to stutter or something similar.

This sort of thing means code has to be re-written to accommodate for the performance envelope changing. Also, MS probably wants to make sure they can support all the features and innovations they want before releasing those resources.

It would suck if you run into a situation like the PS3 who couldn't support cross or party game chat because of bad planning and software engineering.

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AsimLeonheart3869d ago

I think he is a well known Neogaf member who has been fairly accurate with his inside informations.

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Why Microsoft Putting Black Ops 6 On Game Pass Is The Ultimate Test

By putting Black Ops 6 on Game Pass, Microsoft plans to gauge its growth, pricing, and monetization changes, at the cost of less game sales.

rlow113h ago

If they have follow up games that are bangers, then this strategy will work. But if it’s Call of Duty followed another dead period then it won’t last.

crazyCoconuts10h ago

From MS financial perspective I think it may be the opposite.
A year of GamePass on PC is less than the price of two full price games. For all the people that would have bought COD for $70 but instead started subbing for GP, MS will get an extra $50/year which is good.
However, for each banger that MS puts out, that's lost potential revenue because the GP sub won't need to buy it.
So it only makes sense where the new GP customers would have otherwise not spent more money with MS... Which is the case if MS puts out low quality shovelware.

rlow18h ago

If you’re looking at the short term you are correct. But if Xbox can have multiple bangers then subscriptions should increase. Which is what they want, recurring revenue.

S2Killinit29m ago(Edited 26m ago)

I think this is more about microtransactions. MS wants to see if the upfront losses will be offset by more people login into the “free” game and buying more microtransactions to justify not selling as much COD games.

I honestly not sure. I feel like everyone who likes COD is already playing/buying it so I’m not sure how much more engagement they can get by putting it on gamepass. On the other hand, I also feel a lot of COD players are casual gamers, and they are the type to click on anything that is “free” ex: mobile gaming style

Sonic188110h ago

I don't see it working if Call of Duty makes less money and profits over time from gamepass 🤔

blackblades9h ago

I dont understand why have it on it when we all know it sells with the name alone. Seems stupid to lose so much sales and $ just to have it on game pass. They basically shooting themselves in the foot with a already injured foot from all the other times they shoot themselves in the foot.

CrashMania8h ago

@blackblades, that's my exact point, even on xbox where most software sells poorly CoD still sells millions, but the thing is, if you don't put it on GP you kinda shatter the whole idea they've build GP up to be, they've dug this hole themselves.

I think it might tick up subscribers a bit, but warzone is already free and gets millions of players regardless of GP. But where will those extra subs come from? Xbox sales are dropping like a rock, PC gamers are very firmly rooted in Steam and will just buy it there.

Tacoboto8h ago

@black

If they don't include it on Game Pass, they lose the claim of First-Party Day-One on Game Pass, and thus would begin the slippery slope of what's-ok-to-not-include and the devaluing of the service, and further sinking Microsoft/Xbox's already tarnished reputation.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place and this move buys them time to work out more future-math.

crazyCoconuts7h ago

I still expect a price increase in GP to compensate but who knows. With all the factors in play like COD points there are too many variables for someone on the outside to predict what will happen. I assume they have a forecast model where this all looks peachy.

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Garethvk12h ago

When the game does not hit 1 Billion in revenue in under two weeks they will wonder why and the next thing you know; Season Updates will no longer be free.

Noskypeno11h ago

Yup, the CEO needs a new yacht and private jet

Abear218h ago

Yeah I expect paid DLC and season pass in your face, now you are buying for a game you are renting

purple10111h ago

subscribers go up, execs celebrate win, get bonus, price goes up, subscribers go down,

execs dont care, got their bonus,

MrDead10h ago

If it works CEOs and shareholders get a payday and if it doesn't even more studios get closed by MS so CEOs and shareholders get a payday.

Elda9h ago

It will sell on PC & PS but as long as COD is for rent on Gamepass it will not sell well on the XB platform. Most folks such as myself that like COD just for the campaign would rather rent it for that month instead of paying $70 plus tax for the game.

IAMRealHooman9h ago

Your smart.
its 70 for base plus 10 to 20 for a season pass plus another 30 for there better season pass,

darthv729h ago

...now you are finally getting how to use GP. No commitments, just play what is offered. if you like it so much and want to keep a copy for yourself... you can buy it when you want to. I used to buy games based on if they looked appealing and have been burned many times on things. With this, I can try before I buy. And I have actually bought several games after having rented them in the service. It literally is like the old days of renting only you get the whole store instead of pay per rental.

Elda8h ago

I've been knowing how to use Gamepass. I sub the service yearly & I play games on the service that I don't have to pay the full price for such as Persona 3:Reload. I mostly play & pay for games on my PS5 but if a game lands on GP that I'm interested in playing & I don't have to buy a copy for the PS5 I'll definitely play it on Gamepass.

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies11d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX11d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody11d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

rob-GP7d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic "They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo..."

lol, you mean:

NES, SNES
GameBoy, GameBoy Advanced, GameBoy Colour, GameBoy SP
DS, DSi, DSXL
3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, New 3DS XL
Wii, Wii U
Switch, Switch OLED

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Cacabunga11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_11d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga11d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie9d ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly11d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga11d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit11d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_11d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff218311d ago (Edited 11d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies11d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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Microsoft to Add Copilot AI to Video Games

Microsoft recently revealed its plans to incorporate Copilot directly into video games, with Minecraft being the first showcased example.

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Fishy Fingers16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

F*** AI

"Hey Copilot, what's a good meme to prove I dislike AI".... https://giphy.com/clips/sou...

Einhander197216d ago

Two trillion dollar company that just can't wait to put as many people possible out of work as fast as possible.

It feels like every single thing they do is making gaming worse and destroying the industry.

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darthv7215d ago

....you know it takes people to program the AI.... right? It isnt like it is sentient. We haven't reach skynet level of situation or anywhere close to the matrix just yet.

That's next Thursday.

Einhander197215d ago (Edited 15d ago )

It takes a people to program the AI then that AI is used for who knows how many games eliminating countless jobs which only grows as AI is used for more and more game creation functions.

What you're saying is so ridiculously short sighted and truly larking any kind of understanding and foresight.

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CaptainFaisal15d ago

Why all the hate? Im actually excited about this! Always wanted this kind of immersion, and an AI companion with me all the time helping me out knowing the status of my skills/inventory/progress and giving me tips on the best approach or how to craft something specific is game changing for the industry.

Hate all you want about AI, but this is just the start and I can see the potential already. You wont be complaining in the next 5-10 years about this, but rather complain if a game hasn’t implemented it.

MrDead15d ago

Yes we can't wait for the work of others to be used without the need to pay them so that MS can profit even more from the people they fire.

I_am_Batman15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

There is no chance I'd ever use something like this, especially if it's not part of the core game design, but a layer on top of it. It's way too much handholding. Many games already feel like busy work, because they don't let the player figure things out on their own. Having a real-time interactive guide defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place in my opinion.

If this were to become the standard like you predict, we'll see more and more video games get away with bad design, because people will just be used to ask for help from the AI companion anyway.

Number1TailzFan15d ago

Well Nintendo don't need this with some of their games these days, with invincible characters, items, easy bosses etc.. they do the hand holding built in

helicoptergirl15d ago

Takes "hand holding" in games to a whole new level.

BlackDoomAx14d ago

Because human nature xD Almost every new technology had these kind of comments.

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