Explosion.com's Dave Walsh looks at both The Last of Us and The Walking Dead and analyzes which game does the zombie genre more justice and which game tells a more compelling narrative.
TLOU isn't zombies. FAIL.
I address that in the article... It is semantics, as they are still a part of the same genre.
I disagree. ;)
Not semantics, zombies are people that die first, infected are still very much alive.
Opinions are relative and I respect your right to have your own, but I disagree. The level of engagement and emotion I felt playing through the last of us is something I haven't gotten from any other game as of yet. It is in my opinion, a masterpiece and one that is truly deserving of all the praise.
if you put TLoU in the same category as TWD, then you are either trolling or haven't played TLoU, which practically makes you trolling too! the infected in not the only threat in TLoU and that's what makes surviving in TLoU much more realistic!
^ The infected are not the only threat in TWD either. Seems like a strange point to bring up.
honestly if there trying to eat me and or attack me and don't show any sighs of intelligence...i don't fucking care its a zombie in m eyes...it acts like a zombie,it even looks like half rotted corpse like zombie...naughty dog just gave a different background storie for em because they did not want to seem like they did a generic idea even though they did for the enemy lol...
i don't know whether to laugh or cry. and also, no lol.
TLOU is more of 28 weeks later which have those kind of infected that are alive they know what they are doing but can't control their actions zombies are ppl who die and then come back to life that's different you can cure the infected ones but cyou can't cure who already dead ...see my point ?! as for the Narrative....both are amazing in story telling and loved them both alot but TBH TLOU is just in another level for me in every thing when i put it with against every game this gen
U fail, stop writing. Tlou s 5 levels above movie walking dead. Gameplay wise it destroys wd.
he is trolling a good game to get hits
No, don't get paid by hits at all, actually.
Did you read the article or post based upon the headline? If you disagree then elaborate why you feel they are different than zombies
I think fenome has this covered. ;) @ xPhearR3dx You don't care what Naughty Dog says about their own game? lol
@RGDubz Winking on the internet I have read what Naughty Dog says,but nothing that I played in the last of us broke the "zombie" mythology. I understand the focus was not on the infected,but humanity. I am looking at the basic idea of a zombie and not comparing to zombies in other media and that is exactly what the infected are. I do not need Naughty Dog to define every theme in their game for me. I can unlike Joel think for myself. I do not need a cutscene that tells me what they are. I define what I think they are by completing the 16 hour game
@ThichQuangDuck The Last of Us is its own unique experience where you can't get anywhere else, no other "Zombie Game" does it as good as TLOU.
@Transporter47 You don't need to sell me on the game I bought it at launch and beat it and am replaying it. I found it to be a good game,but to me there is nothing remarkable about the story. I more see it as a psychological tale of PTSD based upon the ending. The story itself though does not try to surprise so much as paces itself well. That is the problem many are facing they are trying to act like the last of us is something that has never been attempted anywhere before and differentiate it. It is different and it is great. Is it my game of year, century, millennium, lifetime that others are stating before years end? No it is not. It was a good game play experience that was engrossing at times and frustrating at other times with Naughty Dogs constant struggle of staying in control of the player
@ThichQuangDuck Zombies are derived from a virus that reanimates a dead body in order to propogate. In the Last of Us the source of the infection is a Fungus Spore that adheres itself to the brain stem and takes over the host without killing it. NOT A ZOMBIE. Just because your opinion of it isn't as high as a majority of the gaming populace out there doesn't mean we need silly articles like this that are rife with opinion and conjecture..
@moparful99 If this article was last of us game of year filled with opinions and conjecture everyone would love it. I don't believe most people's objection to the article has to do so much with how it is written as much as someone having a differing opinion then them in the world. Again I said thematically they are zombies. Thematically to me means it does not matter how they become infected because that is truly semantics. The theme of humanity changing to something not human. This shows it in the light of "humans are douchebags". I liked the game,but people seem to be taking the themes at face value rather than looking anyway deeper. I was more trying to use this to discuss parts of the last of us that this opinion article or Op ed touched on.
@RGDuz No I don't. Simply because them saying they're "infected" and not zomibes doesn't mean they're not zombies. There's an outbreak at the start of the game, humanity is trying to survive, and the story revolves around looking for a cure. They look, sound and act just like zombies. My ass they're not zombies. I will always say TLOU is the best ZOMBIE game I've every played. Just because ND says they're not, that doesn't mean squat. Zombies = Infected.
@ThichQuangDuck If the article focused on the narrative aspect and didn't have a flame title like "The Walking Dead Does Zombies and Narrative Better Than The Last of Us" then maybe there wouldn't be as much outcry.. A title like "The Walking Dead and the Last of Us: We discuss the narrative strengths of both" Instead this articles title blatantly states that one is better than the other and try's support said claim with opinion and conjecture.. I thought journalists had a moral obligation to be as subjective as possible?
^ Do you not know what an 'Opinion Piece' is? .... and really, all you have to do is read the summary. An outcry over the title just shows an unhealthy amount of insecurity.
I don't care what anyone says. TLOU is zombies. Infected is just a fancy term. In any case, can't say I agree with the author. As much as I enjoyed TWD, TLOU is on a completely different level of story telling. TLOU is also one of the greatest games of this generation. Looking back on every game released this gen. There's two games IMO that are considered game of the generation. The Last of Us, and Red Dead Redemption.
As I stated above they are not the same.. A zombie comes from a VIRUS reanimating a dead body the infected in the TLOU is a result of a FUNGUS spore controlling a host that is not dead.. If the body dies the fungus leaves the host via airborne spores..
@moparful99 You can state that sentence all you want. They're still zombies. And people will continue to call them zombies. People call zombies infected all the same, just like people call infected zombies. Never going to change.
I like how you seem to know more than the people that actually created the character... SMH
@moparful99 So because they created the game, everything they say is 100% correct? Keep telling yourself that and you'll be one of those people who believe everything they read on the internet. Microsoft created the Xbone, yet when they talk about the "cloud" all of a sudden comments like yours don't matter anymore right?
you can't just decide what a zombie is and isn't. well you can, but you'll be a moron for doing so. no offense intended. trying to say a zombie is whatever you think it is is like saying a dragon is whatever you think it is. i guess griffons are dragons cause they both have wings. it's silly. zombies are reanimated corpses, meaning something died and came back. it doesn't have to be from a virus (though it usually is). the infected ARE NOT DEAD. that is why they aren't zombies. you can argue it all you want, you're wrong. the infected in the last of us have been infected by a fungus which is based on a fungus that actually exists. "people call zombies infected all the time" - correction, people call specific zombies infected. why? BECAUSE THEY ARE INFECTED. but every infection is not the same. i wouldn't call someone with aids a malaria patient. but yes, they are both infections, so yes, they are both infected. perhaps ND should have gone with a more unique name. regardless of what you call them, they are not the same. learn to accept when you're wrong. tl;dr the infected =/= zombies. you are wrong. accept it.
Though that may be true....there are basically a replacement for zombies and are in the same category....weird rabbis like freaks trying to eat your flesh
So a cannibal is a zombie?
Of course the infected in TLOU aren't "zombies", but that doesn't matter, because they play the same role in the narrative. Zombies, typically, are human bodies which are taken over by a virus that causes them to reanimate after death, with no control, and wreck shit for the human race. TLOU infected are humans, whose bodies are taken over by fungus that causes them to lose control, and wreck shit for the human race. These creatures are somewhat more tragic, because the lack of a death/reanimation cycle means that up to a certain point, the person is still in there. The key points are the use of once ordinary human bodies, the loss of control, and the immense threat to humanity and human society. Hell, you could use alien invaders as long as they have the crazed, erratic behavior that these others creatures have, and they could fill the same role.
The Last of Us is miles ahead of where The Walking Dead is as a game. I loved The Last of Us. Ellie is one of the best characters in gaming, period. She is loyal, strong, courageous, smart, and funny. There is not one character in The Walking Dead the game that comes close to Ellie. I like The Walking Dead, but to compare it to The Last of Us is ridiculous. Playing the survival playthrough of The Last of Us actually induces fear when you enter a room and have no idea how many, or where, the infected might come from. There are many instances in The Last of Us where you're terrified you will not survive because you have more enemies than bullets, crafted items, or melee weapons. I was not scared one moment in The Walking Dead.
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