“If You go With 4GB of GDDR5″ RAM on PS4, “You Are Done,” Said Randy Pitchford
Our very own Anthony Severino was able to be a part of a roundtable with Adam Boyes, VP of Publisher Relations at SCEA today, with a whole bunch of different topics being discussed, and one of them was all about the PS4 and its RAM.
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Now this is how you go about listening to your audience. You get a suggestion you take it back to the round table of guys/gals and assess if this suggestion should be strongly considered and what are the pros and cons of this suggestions. THEN you make a FINAL decision and move on. Bravo SONY this is how all companies should work.
@bitbydeath The ps4 has Unified GDDR5 architecture. This setup places both the cpu and gpu directly on the motherboard with short pathways from them to the ram. If im not mistaken I remember reading that the PS4 architecture uses a mother die/daughter die setup that creates a high bandwidth low latency architecture.. Sony designed the ps4 about as well as they could have for the money.. Its going to be interesting to see just how much of a difference this decision will make.
i think this is the first time in a long time where i won't be buying the system on day one, my ps3 will still be supported so i will wait for things to calm down after holiday season before picking one up hopefully in a bundle
also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014
@pixelsword "Good, it means I can wait a few years while the price drops."
@ showtimefolks "also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014"
We're on the same page, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait (play it by ear) till bugs get worked out, maybe a price drop (not holding my breathe) and games start to get released.
Ram isnt going make for better games i'm sorry but wiiu games at E3 prove this Beyonneta2,X,MK8,ect ect look way cooler than anything ive seen on ps4 or xbone so far and thats that.
Wiiu is said to use 1.5GB RAM on games in the future so basically you can compress memory by 10 fold on Havok nextgen and gain more speed whilst doing this so higher performance with alot more ram for textures and AI ect in other words if you used 512mb just on textures you essentially have 5GB to play with and lots left for nextgen physics and AI so all this ram talk really gets me mad.
Ive always said let the games do the talking and Nintendo did that in spades at E3,yes they left a few big titles out like Zelda,Metroid,ect but hey next E3 will showcase these games and they will look fantastic i heard Retro is thinking more of a Metroid universe and it will take time so i can be patient for them titles,but yeah wiiu E3 won in my eyes by far,ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.
the only thing i got to say is watch MGS 5 extended trailer
the moment they are on top opf the mountain and says welcome to Afghanistan damn that looks stunning
also we didn't see the best looking games till 3-4 years in so wait, i like wiiu for what it is but let's not get over board nintendo isn't trying to push any graphics boundaries, and that's fine because they go with different and new art style for their games
@triforce ""ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.""
Did you seriously say that nothing on the PS4 looks as fresh as the wii u lineup? Wow so the deluge of the typical 20 Mario games, Zelda games and more iteration of old franchises like smash bros and donkey kong is fresh?
Need to take off your Nintendo colored glasses man. I guess ignorance truly is bliss.
8GB was to be expected, each gen Sony has increased RAM by a factor of 16. People laughed when I suggested they might have 8GB but it's right on schedule.
We need a new law to go along with Moore's law, call it The playstation law, each gen will increase RAM by a factor of 16.
With 4 straight years of losses - amounting to billion's and billion's of dollars - yeh, Sony Corp is the ideal company for companies to 'take notes' on /s
@b-real THE most successful game company in history is exactly who you want to take notes from. Sony has the two best selling consoles of ALL TIME in the ps2 and ps1 respectively. Not to mention the playstation division is in the black and has been for a while now... Just because they don't nickel and dime their consumers to death in order to make their financial reports look stellar doesn't negate their importance to the games industry as a whole.
to be honest, pitchford was right, if Sony went with 4gb's it would have been over for them, MS would have taken the console market by storm and Sony wouldn't of been able to keep up graphically to the Xbone, BUT because they did go with 8gb's that leaves 6 or 7 gb's of gddr5 ram for the devs to use, which beats out MS' 5gb's of useable ddr3 ram, my only issue is...why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself (I have 16gbs) I feel like that might have gone over better, being that gddr5 is better at certain things and ddr3 is better a other things...but I don't know...I'm still excited anyways..
I concur. That's why I pre-ordered the PS4 for $399 as my next generation console. More power, more studios, no restrictions, no DRM, just games, games, games and more games. Plug and play entertainmentgasm.
"why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself"
Its because the memory on the PS4 is unified and shared between the CPU and GPU. Meaning the CPU and GPU pull from the same source of memory.
WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ?? games do the talking not RAM and graphics are only as good as your gpu ect and bandwidth ram in wiiu's case lots of edram cache and edram in general makes it miles faster than ps4 fact and games like mk8 with them graphics at 60fps show this.
Crack is a hell of a drug. A family friendly version of Bayonetta and the Awesome looking game from Monolith aren't even close to any of the next gen games showed by Microsoft or Sony.
"WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ??"
Dude you are drinking way to much Nintendo Koolaid.. Bayonetta 2 is a game being developed for a system entering its second year on market and the ps4 hasn't even launched yet and Killzone has considerably better fidelity than bayonetta 2..
While I enjoy Triforce's enthusiasm, you can't deny his truth that Monolithsoft's game looks like something you would expect to see on the PS4 or XB1. That game is quite stunning, especially for a Wii U game.
Nintendo first party games look completely different because of the art direction and style of the games. They look beautiful in their own ways. Pikmin 3 looks gorgeous.
@Triforce079 was watching the trailers in 240p.. probably.. even COD ghosts looks better (ima big COD fan {i know shut up} and COD looks shitty for being 'next gen') than wiiu best graphics.... wii u is just an xbox360 who takes protein shakes (graphically) speaking
Both consoles are not on the market yet. We don't know the numbers. But you just hope that M$ isn't going to pass 40 mil. Because if they do it is just INEVITABLE...
Regardless, both the ONE's RAM and the PS4's RAM are very good in my opinion. Well, maybe not the BONE's as it could face issues later on in its lifetime, but the PS4's is basically limitless.
Xbox One's RAM is pretty decent DDR3 but there's a reason they don't use that kind in graphics cards. It's great for CPU related functions but the much lower bandwidth makes a huge difference in graphical rendering. The reason Xbox One has the EDRAM and the "Move Engines" is to try and compensate for that. PS4 doesn't have the problem to begin with.
Read some good in depth hardware analysis articles (by people who know way more than me) and it seems like PS4 is about as perfectly balanced architecture for a game machine you could design.
I think 8 GB's is over kill myself. I have a PC and i have a 2 GB DDR5 Graphics card that play's the best and newest games in 1080P at 60-75 FPS and the most Ram it ever uses is 4 GB. So what is the other 4 GB's of Ram going to do for the PS4? Anyway all is well i guess.
@Elit3Nick "a lot of people don't realize that a lot of gaming rigs still use DDR3 over GDDR5"
dude, do you even know what you're talking about? most gaming rigs today are already using GDDR5! if your pc/laptop only use DDR3, it's probably NOT a gaming rig because that means it uses integrated graphic, not a dedicated graphic card!
any pc/laptop claiming to be for "gaming" MUST have a decent GPU, which in this case ALL of them are using GDDR5 already!
No The articles says that they were talking to Randy pitchfork about the Ps4 and said we are using 4GB of ram and Randy said if you are then the PS4 will be a failure so then Adam Boyes thought about what developers want and said HEy we can do 8gb of ram
I think a year ago 8 GB GDDR5 would have cost about $300 alone. Now probably still like $100 but will only get cheaper. Sony just hit the absolute perfect timing here when the costs came crashing down.
It seems many people do, and even more people should. Here's an amazing lecture from him at DICE summit: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
So glad Sony managed to pull 8GB of GDDR5. Last gen Microsoft listened to Epic suggesting them to increase RAM from 256MB to 512MB and it was probably the smartest decision they made - helping them surpass the PS3 in terms of performance. It's funny how the tables have now turned :)
Ram speed does not matter that much for games so stop using GDDR5 as a huge performance boost. Here is a good video on what ram speed does for games: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I am sorry but the bottleneck for the next gen consoles is the horrible CPU (its about 1/3 the power of an intel i5 desktop cpu)
The faster speed WILL matter for the gpu though it is a huge performance boost over the xbox ones VRAM speed NOT RAM
but trust me when I say this. Ram speed matters WAY more in compute intensive programs than in games.
I know the ps4 is beastly and yes gddr5 is the better choice
In laymen terms gddr5 Fat pipe slow stroke
the fat pipe allows for parallelism and large chunks but can afford high latency due to the fact that it can do other things while its waiting like "rendering" on a gpu cough cough gaming with tons of gpu accelerated post processing etc etc.
ddr3 Skinny pipe Fast stroke
not too skinny but smaller I/O channels and only writes or reads per cycle however the latency is much lower meaning compute intensive tasks can access ram in smaller chunks much more quickly. needed for things like "rendering" on a cpu cough cough photoshop max maya c4d etc.
so ram speed does matter in photoshop more than in gaming but that is negligible.
gddr5 is in reality much much "slower" than ddr3 however it makes up for it in bus width 512bit as opposed to ddr3s usually lower bus width.
and the fact that ddr3 only reads or writes per cycle and ddr5 does both read and write per cycle.
and dual clockspeeds.
but photoshop when being used for more than just your basic "paste a face on a guy" gets very compute intensive for people in that industry. complex projects are known to eat memory like 16gigs for breakfast, and in a compute intense environment latency is king, ddr3 is low latency and perfect for pcs and applications :)
gddr5 is entirely based on ddr3 with added features for cramming data from parallel sources ie gaming. meaning when the gddr5 is forced to wait due to its high latency the system can do other things.
wait used in a very genral manner as the time spent waiting is usually on the order of nanoseconds haha :)
CPU and GPU bottleneck long before ram does because ram is already very very very very fast. I have a ramdisk and my ram is @1866 right now and if I benchmark my ram disk it gets 12GBps read/write.
On the Gametrailers interview with Tretton he says that according to devs the PS4 is a much more powerful console and that if you compare the games side by side (multi-platform Im guessing) it'll be obvious that they look and run better on the PS4.
We will just have to wait and see how true this is but my guess is the mans probably right!
GDDR5 RAM enables a larger memory bandwidth cap. Memory bandwidth is the maximum rate that data can be utilized before it starts choking up. If my game settings require up to 180 Gb/s at times and my memory bandwidth is only 160 Gb/s, then I'm SoL and I have to turn down either the resolution, texture resolution, AA, AF or Field of View. If I don't, I get a stutter fest.
DDR3 naturally has a lower mem bandwidth when taking into consideration the same conditions (memory bus, clock rate, etc.)
The RAM capacity is important for how much data is stored for the game. If the game is over the max, too bad so sad. You're going to have a bad time and the game will probably crash.
TL;DR
GDDR5 can possibly allow you to have an easier time running higher res textures and higher resolutions without running into the bottleneck of an overbearing data flow.
when did ms say this, iwanna see ms say this and ms reveal its 8g ddr3 and where they mention the actual specs, cause so far i cant find them other then people spitting out stuff that hasnt been coinfirmed
Looking back, I'm still blown away by the fact that they only had 256mb of ram for the PS3 and devs were still able to make the most of it. I can't wait to see what 8 freaking gigs will do. Even my Titan only has 6.
Yeah its what Microsoft done with the original Xbox. Asked developers what they wanted. That's why it got a hard drive built in and higher specs. Pity they didn't do that this time around
8GB of total RAM with 1GB dedicated to the OS, i believe. still, 7GB of RAM dedicated to games is a lot better than the 5GB dedicated to games on xbone (since their OS will chew up 3GB).
Because MS Said so duh. MS Said Kinect Required, MS Said you can use it like a cable box...ya know watch stuff on TV Via your XBO. Games took a back seat on the XBO since all that TV Crap is eating up resources that could be used for...gee I Dunno...games?
MS is Targeting new Audiences so many Xbox fans will suffer because of it.
My buddies have been supporting XBO, and I see their side. I don't agree with them but I see their side. Most of the games that were shown at the XBO conference (that I'm interested in) are multiplat. I can't wait for a lot of games to come from XBO to PS4 and it runs better.
The same amount (8gb) of shared highly superior GDDR5 RAM in addition to a 50% more powerful GPU (and possibly a more powerful CPU as well) all working together in perfect harmony will easily demolish the XboxOne as far as game quality. It already has. The PS4 version of multi-plats are already confirmed by devs to be the best version (duh). And launch title exclusives are already showing their might. The Order 1866 looks incredible as well as The Dark Sorceror tech demo, both running real-time on PS4. Don't ever say that you won't be able to notice a difference between versions (unless the multi-plat dev is incredibly lazy, which honestly won't stand for next-gen). BTW, I was blown away by the PS4 demos of Watch Dogs, The Division, and Assassin's Creed IV (just saying).
This too http://www.sonyrumors.net/2... and I might as well throw this in http://www.nowgamer.com/new... + Jack Tretton even said 'PS4 is without a doubt the most powerful platform hands down, go ask the third party developers' those tech demos were real-time on ps4 vs. at the Microsoft conference where they showed a bunch of pre-rendered bs
"go ask the third party developers' those tech demos were real-time on ps4 vs. at the Microsoft conference where they showed a bunch of pre-rendered bs"
This just proves once again that Sony is for the developer and the gamer. It's incredible all the fantastic moves they've made along the way to bring everyone the absolute best console for gaming. In Mark Cerny we trust lol (just had to throw that in there)
I absolutely hate Randy Pitchford, in fact if I explained exactly how much I hated him I would be banned from here.. Lets just say I think him & his team are the laziest most over-rated devs in the entire industry & have been since the original Half-Life days.
...but I'm going to have to kneel down & say thank you Randy Pitchford, your inability to work with standard format & demand for extra so that you can continue with your poor coding has actually as a bi-product given Sony some serious extra life for the PS4 that actually will make a huge difference.
No more gimped 3rd party multiplatform titles. Ps4 will be the lead console for multiplatform titles, Sony is all about the developers . Sony is king again.
Imagine what the games will look like come E3 2017, just wow. Wonder what the games would have looked like if sony went with a nxt gen cell with 8 Gb ddr5 ram.
It would have been an absolute disaster if Sony kept using the Cell. They tried stay away from the traditional PC hardware format with PS3 but they just lost money and it went nowhere. Just made sense to build the perfectly balanced game PC in a box and know how to use it from day 1.
Who cares what Randy "the douche" Pitchford has to say or thinks? He should go work for MS as his bullshit would fit right in with those unscrupulous knobs. Impress me with a great game for once and dont intentionally mislead people so you can sell your shitty games and THEN maybe I'll listen...but I highly doubt it. You Goof.
They killed M$ by doing this i bet.. M$ spies prolly thought that sony was going to stick with the original 4GB so they thought 5GB of ddr3 would be more than enough to kill em.. Glad they pulled this last minute upgrade to double.. Now they have 7GB of GDDR5 for games! theyre going to look incredible in the nx few years.. Hell, they look great now
im happy it got the 8g ddr5, impressive stuff will come from this but i can see devs giving more love to ms versions for stepping up with the drm for them,
Many devs have abandoned DRM already, examples are Ubisoft, Red Disk project, Capcom, Rockstar, Activision even. But they might bring back the pass for their games on X1
the ram is great in both next gen consoles, what is troublesome is the slow cpu, I imagine this is where devs will into a bottleneck, and the ps4 will have a large advantage that much of the cpu's load can transfer to the more versatile gddr
the gpu in the ps4 is also pretty good, the xboxone is going to be quite a bit behind, also, if they don't drop the price $100-$150 and get rid of the crazy drm crap, they are DONE!
This gamble paid off so well. 8GB GDDR5 would have seemed astronomically expensive just a year ago. Timing worked out perfectly for the manufacturing tech advancement.
No. They already took the gamble on GDDR5 in the early design phase and it's paying off now during production in that they can actually afford to put 8GB in the thing. Just a year and a half ago 8GB GDDR5 would have been about about $300 alone. Now it's around $100. If prices hadn't come down so much, PS4 would have either been stuck with 4GB or had significantly less (but faster) ram than Xbox One. But instead it has both faster and more ram available to game developers (7GB vs 5GB). Double whammy.
Everyone here is forgetting that the xb1 is always connected and using the cloud for more power. They said the system has the power of 3 XB1 with the cloud. This console was is not gonna be easy as everyone is making it sound.
It's incredible to see how they were the laughing stock at the beginning of current gen to now where they are loved by mostly everyone in next gen. They seem to be making all the right moves. But good lord, honestly that console is pretty ugly. Doesn't matter! I'm still getting the PS4
Of all the Aliens games that you have played, would you say Aliens: CM was the worst? Cause compared to what atrocities that came before it, it wasn't that bad...
Hardware I don't see as any relevant difference between the 2.Maybe several years from now, idk Plus, MS has still not officially released it specs other than the ram and its an 8 core cpu.
Biggest difference for a lot of people is going to be drm and the higher $100 price tag.
in reply to your ignorant PM. OH man, your a blind fanboy http://www.washingtonpost.c... and didn't your read about PRISM? Do your research ignorant fool. DATA ON INDIVIDUALS IS THE NEW CURRENCY. Keep trusting the ones that trust no one.
It's obvious from your childish insults your very young and immature. But besides that the link you posted hasn't nothing at all to do with this thread on console hardware.
Furthermore, it goes on to say that hardware is for tracking foreign terrorists which for one an thankful for. Only a fool would think terrorist shouldn't be sought after.
@ Hellguy I'm not going to argue with you again, because it is clearly that your faul in your intent, you knew damn well that you blocked me, yet you act in your reply as if i'm a child. Listen dude, only a fool trades in his expensive earned freedom for some little terrorist acts. Terrorist attacks did not increase since the seventies. The RAF & PLO hijackings went by and nobody even considered to give up their privacy for false security(these 'socalled' for the greater good security is mostly for protection of a few government properties instead of ordinary people) More people die EVERY YEAR of the ordinary flu than of terrorists acts. Since 9/11 our perception of it via the media is that it's more dangerous than a world epidemic. More money is being poured into secutity than research on Aids/Clean Energy/Cancer/dangerous viruses etc. The Germans in Europe are the most against this spying because they know and have learned that governments with these kind of powers turn bad, it is a given that these powers will be abused. The Germans have experienced this Twice in the history. I suggest you do more research to improve your perception of the value of our freedoms. I do not wish to speak to you anymore. You say these things because probably you have a job with the government. Privacy has been institutional as a protection against a overpowered state. Read the constitutions. People have fought and died for these freedoms. What the terrorist intent is that we give up our freedoms like them and imprison our selfs. Don't send me any PMs, will you please?
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But Randy, I will never forgive you for Aliens.
PS4 ftw
Greatness awaits
4>1
erm...the XBone doesn't have GDDR5 at all! it's a single pool of 8GB DDR3 for the whole system.
Yea but they have 5gb ddr3 for games which is slower than gddr. So it is more or less equivalent to 4gb gddr5
Found a great article that better explains all of this.. http://techreport.com/news/...
when Epic told Ms they needed to up the memory in the 360 from 256 to 512.
Its good when the platform holders listen to the developers suggestions.
the PS4 and the games will benefit greatly from a wise decision like this.
8GB ram is huge when considering that last gen we were at 512MB and maybe 1GB lol
still the only difference we will truly see is when 1st or 2nd party developers work on the system
PS3 - 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
I guess this is it.
PS3 - 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @ 700MHz + 256MB XDR RAM clocked @ 3.2GHZ
this is it.
Good, it means I can wait a few years while the price drops. :D
4=1
i think this is the first time in a long time where i won't be buying the system on day one, my ps3 will still be supported so i will wait for things to calm down after holiday season before picking one up hopefully in a bundle
also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014
@ showtimefolks "also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014"
We're on the same page, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait (play it by ear) till bugs get worked out, maybe a price drop (not holding my breathe) and games start to get released.
Wiiu is said to use 1.5GB RAM on games in the future so basically you can compress memory by 10 fold on Havok nextgen and gain more speed whilst doing this so higher performance with alot more ram for textures and AI ect in other words if you used 512mb just on textures you essentially have 5GB to play with and lots left for nextgen physics and AI so all this ram talk really gets me mad.
Ive always said let the games do the talking and Nintendo did that in spades at E3,yes they left a few big titles out like Zelda,Metroid,ect but hey next E3 will showcase these games and they will look fantastic i heard Retro is thinking more of a Metroid universe and it will take time so i can be patient for them titles,but yeah wiiu E3 won in my eyes by far,ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.
the only thing i got to say is watch MGS 5 extended trailer
the moment they are on top opf the mountain and says welcome to Afghanistan damn that looks stunning
also we didn't see the best looking games till 3-4 years in so wait, i like wiiu for what it is but let's not get over board nintendo isn't trying to push any graphics boundaries, and that's fine because they go with different and new art style for their games
that 8GB of ram will pay of down the road
Did you seriously say that nothing on the PS4 looks as fresh as the wii u lineup? Wow so the deluge of the typical 20 Mario games, Zelda games and more iteration of old franchises like smash bros and donkey kong is fresh?
Need to take off your Nintendo colored glasses man. I guess ignorance truly is bliss.
Looking @ your recent anti sony posts, it wont matter what the PS4 price drops to..
Your here to do a number one on the four . where in fact the One is a number Two.
We need a new law to go along with Moore's law, call it The playstation law, each gen will increase RAM by a factor of 16.
So next gen we're looking at 128GB :)
Be a gamer, not a Financial officer.
I concur.
That's why I pre-ordered the PS4 for $399 as my next generation console. More power, more studios, no restrictions, no DRM, just games, games, games and more games. Plug and play entertainmentgasm.
"why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself"
Its because the memory on the PS4 is unified and shared between the CPU and GPU. Meaning the CPU and GPU pull from the same source of memory.
Crack is a hell of a drug. A family friendly version of Bayonetta and the Awesome looking game from Monolith aren't even close to any of the next gen games showed by Microsoft or Sony.
Please leave the fanboy blinders at the entrance.
"WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ??"
Because you need glasses?
looks graphically better then this? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Dude you are drinking way to much Nintendo Koolaid.. Bayonetta 2 is a game being developed for a system entering its second year on market and the ps4 hasn't even launched yet and Killzone has considerably better fidelity than bayonetta 2..
Nintendo first party games look completely different because of the art direction and style of the games. They look beautiful in their own ways. Pikmin 3 looks gorgeous.
But Titanfall and KZ both look amazing as well.
Not this generation, but next generation you will see DRM just like M$. Like you say about Pay to play online... just inevitable...
M$ caved in to developers, $ony will too.
The funny thing is that 4GB GDDR5 is still much better than 5GB DDR3.
Bring on Borderlands 3 for PS4. >:)
Xbox One's RAM is pretty decent DDR3 but there's a reason they don't use that kind in graphics cards. It's great for CPU related functions but the much lower bandwidth makes a huge difference in graphical rendering. The reason Xbox One has the EDRAM and the "Move Engines" is to try and compensate for that. PS4 doesn't have the problem to begin with.
Read some good in depth hardware analysis articles (by people who know way more than me) and it seems like PS4 is about as perfectly balanced architecture for a game machine you could design.
"a lot of people don't realize that a lot of gaming rigs still use DDR3 over GDDR5"
dude, do you even know what you're talking about? most gaming rigs today are already using GDDR5! if your pc/laptop only use DDR3, it's probably NOT a gaming rig because that means it uses integrated graphic, not a dedicated graphic card!
any pc/laptop claiming to be for "gaming" MUST have a decent GPU, which in this case ALL of them are using GDDR5 already!
Are you sure you mean DDR5?
My Video card uses 2GB GDDR5.
XD
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
So glad Sony managed to pull 8GB of GDDR5. Last gen Microsoft listened to Epic suggesting them to increase RAM from 256MB to 512MB and it was probably the smartest decision they made - helping them surpass the PS3 in terms of performance. It's funny how the tables have now turned :)
Here is a good video on what ram speed does for games:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I am sorry but the bottleneck for the next gen consoles is the horrible CPU (its about 1/3 the power of an intel i5 desktop cpu)
The faster speed WILL matter for the gpu though it is a huge performance boost over the xbox ones VRAM speed NOT RAM
but trust me when I say this. Ram speed matters WAY more in compute intensive programs than in games.
I know the ps4 is beastly and yes gddr5 is the better choice
In laymen terms
gddr5
Fat pipe slow stroke
the fat pipe allows for parallelism and large chunks but can afford high latency due to the fact that it can do other things while its waiting like "rendering" on a gpu cough cough gaming with tons of gpu accelerated post processing etc etc.
ddr3
Skinny pipe Fast stroke
not too skinny but smaller I/O channels and only writes or reads per cycle
however the latency is much lower meaning compute intensive tasks can access ram in smaller chunks much more quickly. needed for things like "rendering" on a cpu cough cough photoshop max maya c4d etc.
so ram speed does matter in photoshop more than in gaming but that is negligible.
first there is no such thing as ddr5 memory.
and what you said doesn't make much sense.
gddr5 is in reality much much "slower" than ddr3
however it makes up for it in bus width 512bit as opposed to ddr3s usually lower bus width.
and the fact that ddr3 only reads or writes per cycle and ddr5 does both read and write per cycle.
and dual clockspeeds.
but photoshop when being used for more than just your basic "paste a face on a guy" gets very compute intensive for people in that industry. complex projects are known to eat memory like 16gigs for breakfast, and in a compute intense environment latency is king, ddr3 is low latency and perfect for pcs and applications :)
gddr5 is entirely based on ddr3 with added features for cramming data from parallel sources ie gaming. meaning when the gddr5 is forced to wait due to its high latency the system can do other things.
wait used in a very genral manner as the time spent waiting is usually on the order of nanoseconds haha :)
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PS4 has more memory than Xbox One has in its DDR3 + ESRAM combined. Let's not forget GPU domination as well.
On the Gametrailers interview with Tretton he says that according to devs the PS4 is a much more powerful console and that if you compare the games side by side (multi-platform Im guessing) it'll be obvious that they look and run better on the PS4.
We will just have to wait and see how true this is but my guess is the mans probably right!
DDR3 naturally has a lower mem bandwidth when taking into consideration the same conditions (memory bus, clock rate, etc.)
The RAM capacity is important for how much data is stored for the game. If the game is over the max, too bad so sad. You're going to have a bad time and the game will probably crash.
TL;DR
GDDR5 can possibly allow you to have an easier time running higher res textures and higher resolutions without running into the bottleneck of an overbearing data flow.
http://www.examiner.com/art...
https://www.google.com/sear...
That why their going about it having a balanced architecture.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
see real results.
Because MS Said so duh.
MS Said Kinect Required, MS Said you can use it like a cable box...ya know watch stuff on TV Via your XBO. Games took a back seat on the XBO since all that TV Crap is eating up resources that could be used for...gee I Dunno...games?
MS is Targeting new Audiences so many Xbox fans will suffer because of it.
It will dominate.
It will dominate
"The PS4 version of multi-plats are already confirmed by devs to be the best version (duh). "
where are the links proving this? I see a link where Sony think they have the best version (duh! like they are going to say otherwise.
"And launch title exclusives are already showing their might."
This is just your opinion.
" The Order 1866 looks incredible as well as The Dark Sorceror tech demo, both running real-time on PS4."""
Tech demos you said it.
Anyway i have no doubt PS4 will have better looking games down the road.
really?
It happened.
...but I'm going to have to kneel down & say thank you Randy Pitchford, your inability to work with standard format & demand for extra so that you can continue with your poor coding has actually as a bi-product given Sony some serious extra life for the PS4 that actually will make a huge difference.
A bit off topic.
But they might bring back the pass for their games on X1
the gpu in the ps4 is also pretty good, the xboxone is going to be quite a bit behind, also, if they don't drop the price $100-$150 and get rid of the crazy drm crap, they are DONE!
Lol
oh and not that crap we got.
Biggest difference for a lot of people is going to be drm and the higher $100 price tag.
It's obvious from your childish insults your very young and immature. But besides that the link you posted hasn't nothing at all to do with this thread on console hardware.
Furthermore, it goes on to say that hardware is for tracking foreign terrorists which for one an thankful for. Only a fool would think terrorist shouldn't be sought after.