Our very own Anthony Severino was able to be a part of a roundtable with Adam Boyes, VP of Publisher Relations at SCEA today, with a whole bunch of different topics being discussed, and one of them was all about the PS4 and its RAM.
- PSLS
Now this is how you go about listening to your audience. You get a suggestion you take it back to the round table of guys/gals and assess if this suggestion should be strongly considered and what are the pros and cons of this suggestions. THEN you make a FINAL decision and move on. Bravo SONY this is how all companies should work.
@bitbydeath The ps4 has Unified GDDR5 architecture. This setup places both the cpu and gpu directly on the motherboard with short pathways from them to the ram. If im not mistaken I remember reading that the PS4 architecture uses a mother die/daughter die setup that creates a high bandwidth low latency architecture.. Sony designed the ps4 about as well as they could have for the money.. Its going to be interesting to see just how much of a difference this decision will make.
i think this is the first time in a long time where i won't be buying the system on day one, my ps3 will still be supported so i will wait for things to calm down after holiday season before picking one up hopefully in a bundle
also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014
@pixelsword "Good, it means I can wait a few years while the price drops."
@ showtimefolks "also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014"
We're on the same page, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait (play it by ear) till bugs get worked out, maybe a price drop (not holding my breathe) and games start to get released.
Ram isnt going make for better games i'm sorry but wiiu games at E3 prove this Beyonneta2,X,MK8,ect ect look way cooler than anything ive seen on ps4 or xbone so far and thats that.
Wiiu is said to use 1.5GB RAM on games in the future so basically you can compress memory by 10 fold on Havok nextgen and gain more speed whilst doing this so higher performance with alot more ram for textures and AI ect in other words if you used 512mb just on textures you essentially have 5GB to play with and lots left for nextgen physics and AI so all this ram talk really gets me mad.
Ive always said let the games do the talking and Nintendo did that in spades at E3,yes they left a few big titles out like Zelda,Metroid,ect but hey next E3 will showcase these games and they will look fantastic i heard Retro is thinking more of a Metroid universe and it will take time so i can be patient for them titles,but yeah wiiu E3 won in my eyes by far,ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.
the only thing i got to say is watch MGS 5 extended trailer
the moment they are on top opf the mountain and says welcome to Afghanistan damn that looks stunning
also we didn't see the best looking games till 3-4 years in so wait, i like wiiu for what it is but let's not get over board nintendo isn't trying to push any graphics boundaries, and that's fine because they go with different and new art style for their games
@triforce ""ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.""
Did you seriously say that nothing on the PS4 looks as fresh as the wii u lineup? Wow so the deluge of the typical 20 Mario games, Zelda games and more iteration of old franchises like smash bros and donkey kong is fresh?
Need to take off your Nintendo colored glasses man. I guess ignorance truly is bliss.
8GB was to be expected, each gen Sony has increased RAM by a factor of 16. People laughed when I suggested they might have 8GB but it's right on schedule.
We need a new law to go along with Moore's law, call it The playstation law, each gen will increase RAM by a factor of 16.
With 4 straight years of losses - amounting to billion's and billion's of dollars - yeh, Sony Corp is the ideal company for companies to 'take notes' on /s
@b-real THE most successful game company in history is exactly who you want to take notes from. Sony has the two best selling consoles of ALL TIME in the ps2 and ps1 respectively. Not to mention the playstation division is in the black and has been for a while now... Just because they don't nickel and dime their consumers to death in order to make their financial reports look stellar doesn't negate their importance to the games industry as a whole.
to be honest, pitchford was right, if Sony went with 4gb's it would have been over for them, MS would have taken the console market by storm and Sony wouldn't of been able to keep up graphically to the Xbone, BUT because they did go with 8gb's that leaves 6 or 7 gb's of gddr5 ram for the devs to use, which beats out MS' 5gb's of useable ddr3 ram, my only issue is...why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself (I have 16gbs) I feel like that might have gone over better, being that gddr5 is better at certain things and ddr3 is better a other things...but I don't know...I'm still excited anyways..
I concur. That's why I pre-ordered the PS4 for $399 as my next generation console. More power, more studios, no restrictions, no DRM, just games, games, games and more games. Plug and play entertainmentgasm.
"why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself"
Its because the memory on the PS4 is unified and shared between the CPU and GPU. Meaning the CPU and GPU pull from the same source of memory.
WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ?? games do the talking not RAM and graphics are only as good as your gpu ect and bandwidth ram in wiiu's case lots of edram cache and edram in general makes it miles faster than ps4 fact and games like mk8 with them graphics at 60fps show this.
Crack is a hell of a drug. A family friendly version of Bayonetta and the Awesome looking game from Monolith aren't even close to any of the next gen games showed by Microsoft or Sony.
"WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ??"
Dude you are drinking way to much Nintendo Koolaid.. Bayonetta 2 is a game being developed for a system entering its second year on market and the ps4 hasn't even launched yet and Killzone has considerably better fidelity than bayonetta 2..
While I enjoy Triforce's enthusiasm, you can't deny his truth that Monolithsoft's game looks like something you would expect to see on the PS4 or XB1. That game is quite stunning, especially for a Wii U game.
Nintendo first party games look completely different because of the art direction and style of the games. They look beautiful in their own ways. Pikmin 3 looks gorgeous.
@Triforce079 was watching the trailers in 240p.. probably.. even COD ghosts looks better (ima big COD fan {i know shut up} and COD looks shitty for being 'next gen') than wiiu best graphics.... wii u is just an xbox360 who takes protein shakes (graphically) speaking
Both consoles are not on the market yet. We don't know the numbers. But you just hope that M$ isn't going to pass 40 mil. Because if they do it is just INEVITABLE...
Regardless, both the ONE's RAM and the PS4's RAM are very good in my opinion. Well, maybe not the BONE's as it could face issues later on in its lifetime, but the PS4's is basically limitless.
Xbox One's RAM is pretty decent DDR3 but there's a reason they don't use that kind in graphics cards. It's great for CPU related functions but the much lower bandwidth makes a huge difference in graphical rendering. The reason Xbox One has the EDRAM and the "Move Engines" is to try and compensate for that. PS4 doesn't have the problem to begin with.
Read some good in depth hardware analysis articles (by people who know way more than me) and it seems like PS4 is about as perfectly balanced architecture for a game machine you could design.
I think 8 GB's is over kill myself. I have a PC and i have a 2 GB DDR5 Graphics card that play's the best and newest games in 1080P at 60-75 FPS and the most Ram it ever uses is 4 GB. So what is the other 4 GB's of Ram going to do for the PS4? Anyway all is well i guess.
"a lot of people don't realize that a lot of gaming rigs still use DDR3 over GDDR5"
dude, do you even know what you're talking about? most gaming rigs today are already using GDDR5! if your pc/laptop only use DDR3, it's probably NOT a gaming rig because that means it uses integrated graphic, not a dedicated graphic card!
any pc/laptop claiming to be for "gaming" MUST have a decent GPU, which in this case ALL of them are using GDDR5 already!
No The articles says that they were talking to Randy pitchfork about the Ps4 and said we are using 4GB of ram and Randy said if you are then the PS4 will be a failure so then Adam Boyes thought about what developers want and said HEy we can do 8gb of ram
I think a year ago 8 GB GDDR5 would have cost about $300 alone. Now probably still like $100 but will only get cheaper. Sony just hit the absolute perfect timing here when the costs came crashing down.
It seems many people do, and even more people should. Here's an amazing lecture from him at DICE summit: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
So glad Sony managed to pull 8GB of GDDR5. Last gen Microsoft listened to Epic suggesting them to increase RAM from 256MB to 512MB and it was probably the smartest decision they made - helping them surpass the PS3 in terms of performance. It's funny how the tables have now turned :)
Now this is how you go about listening to your audience. You get a suggestion you take it back to the round table of guys/gals and assess if this suggestion should be strongly considered and what are the pros and cons of this suggestions. THEN you make a FINAL decision and move on. Bravo SONY this is how all companies should work.
Ummm, they aren't right? Why is that a worry? I thought 8BG of ram was confirmed?
And all of this for 399
Who cares what Randy Pitchford says