First Native 1080p Game? Xbox360's Splinter Cell 4

First Native 1080p Game? Xbox360's Splinter Cell 4

[THELANDSOFSAND]

sweetness.

[Donkey Slayer]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

"Splinter Cell Double Agent Not 1080p
Report from Gamepro says it is -- Ubisoft says 'nope.'
by Luke Smith, 10/18/2006

Microsoft is supporting 1080p on its Xbox 360, we know this, but Gamepro is reporting that Ubisoft's just-released Splinter Cell: Double Agent (read Shoe's review here) will support 1080p displays. The image Gamepro provides is a shot of the Xbox 360 dashboard with a selectable 1080p display and says representatives from Ubisoft told them that the game would support 1080p.
When we asked Ubisoft for clarification, company reps told us: "It's 1080i."

[shotty]

First Console to do 1080p?

[soccerstar]

no the ps2 can do 1080p....what do u think what other console has even had even close to a 1080p resolution and i dont know of a single tv that can do 1080p over componet and i dont want to hook it up with a vga cable because it would display in a 16:10 ratio. Also it depends when they update the 360 with 1080p

[Smellslikepie]

PS2 can only do 1080i. And that isn't supported by Sony, that's only through one of those Action Replay thingymagigs, isn't it?

[Smellslikepie]

PS2 can only do 1080i. And that isn't supported by Sony, that's only through one of those Action Replay thingymagigs, isn't it?

[videl]

we will see if this is true or if this is only a joke, but where is the hdmi ? xbox360 cant handle 720p, oh my god i dont want to know how the gameplay is with 2fps. ms give it up ! i thought 1080p is not needed, and now ? ms tries everything to make their console 1080p compatible, i bet they will fail.

[TheMART]

As you are unknown about the stuff I'll teach you.

1080p in games can be done over component HD cable.

1080p in movies HDMI is nescessary, but the HD-DVD add-on isn't here yet. HDMI cable expected spring 2007.

So go away Sony fanboy.

The first real 1080p game that's not a PS2 GT4 HD smugged up version or a tennis game with 2 characters on screen might be here and it's on the 360

[Antan]

"The first real 1080p game that's not a PS2 GT4 HD smugged up version or a tennis game with 2 characters on screen might be here and it's on the 360"

So now there are certain characteristics as to what defines a "real" 1080p game? so would 54 players on a tennis court constitute a "real" 1080p game? Shut up.

[TheMART]

Antan you may disagree but what I am telling is not that hard to understand.

A PS2 game put in 1080p doesn't ask so much of the hardware to get done. As a simple game of Tennis with 2 moving characters also is more easy to do then for example Splinter Cell.

I can back up my statements with the old XBOX.
Out of the box it can do 720p NATIVE on some games. Unlike the PS2 trick with a upscale external hardwarebox.

With a HDTV pack from MS the XBOX can unlock this fun future. BUT the games that are in 720p mostly are the less hardware pushing games. Simple and undeniable. And if games are in 720p instead of 480p on the old XBOX, mostly the richness of stuff on screen is tuned down although the resolution is higher.

So things cost on one end to get a higher resolution. As it will be with next gen games. And what I state is so, so true. The 2 games confirmed in 1080p aren't the most demanding hardware drainging games period.

You can cry all you want but it's true Antan

[Antan]

Im not refering and was never refering to the PS2 side of your comment, so a waste of you last bubble on that one. Regardless of if a game has "less" of a visual impact or not, if its outputting 1080p then it is 1080p. Regardless of if the 2 games are draining or not, the fact is they are running in 1080p, end of story, period, You can cry all you want but it's true Mart!...........You do put your foot in it an awful lot of the time with your ranting and raving. Chill a bit, put your guard down, talk without bashing, chat without the twisting. You`ll find people will speak to you with respect, if you respect peoples views and opinions, the same will happen to you, yes ...even you!!!

[Marriot VP]

well you have no idea what your talking about

[D3acon]

but on a side note, there is a disk you can put in your ps2 to produce visiuals on the way to 1080p. You put in the disk, load it, then put in your ps2 game.

Seems like a last minute gamble on microsoft's part. They were the ones saying that Hd gaming wasn't important and no need to implemement it. They even said Sony would not have any 1080p games this year.

After all that, they come out with 1080p gaming. I just want to know how its done. And if they could already conduct 1080p then why wait till now, its been a year. You do see where I'm going with this right?

I forgot to mention, since it doesn't have HDMI inputs then will it not be obsolete in a couple years because of the new HD standard?

[DJ]

Watching Microsoft scramble and backtrack on their previous statements (which were quite bold by the way) is pretty entertaining. Microsoft bought out the Splinter Cell franchise so I'm sure they can push the dev team to do anything they please.

HTCP's implementation is inevitable, and while it takes a long time to download even standard definition movies, it won't be long before Hi-def movies start floating around the internet. Supposedly its implementation has been pushed back to 2011.

The 360 console wasn't designed with an HDMI port so it's not HTCP compliant. Microsoft says not to worry and that they'll deal with the problem, but refuse to say how they'll deal with it. I'm sure they're concocting an HDMI cable adaptor to work with the VGA output from the 360 (best guess, there's other possibilities), but even that might not work.

It's a really tricky situation, and Sony got so intimidated by it that they decided to put HDMI in every single PS3 just in case.

[shotty]

HDMI is possible according to microsoft, they said the market wasn't ready.

Imagine if they released HDMI it would have to be a cable which would easily cost $80. Now this would bring confusion since people would think you need the cable to watch HD-DVD, which isn't true.
By lanching the cable next year, people would relize that HD-DVD can be enjoyed fully with component or VGA. Then when HDMI cable is finally released they can pick one because they choose and not because they think they need it to enjoy HD-DVD.

[Tut]

I would find it very perplexing if they were even able to show 1080p since the best cord they could have is VGA and that onlu supports 1080i. I didn't even know you could upscale the flow of information with a simple cord-to-cord intersection when the source of the information outputs that information at a slower rate.

It doesn't make sense. If anyone wants to explain please do, but until then there is no possibly way the XBox 360 can do 1080p. 1080i, yes. 1080p, no.

[TheMART]

Man are you dumb or what.

1080p in games can be done even through component. Only movies won't go because of the copyright restrictions only running through HDMI but ALSO through VGA.

So, VGA on 360 can do 1080p in games AND movies.

And yes, the output videoport on the 360 is digital already. Advanced they just have to make a HDMI cable for the port and off we go. It'll be here spring 2007 for sure.

Read above and see why 1080p is just done on the 360. Although almost no one will use it including me, because we all own 720p HDTV's/LCD.

Now Sony fanboys there is no reason defending the PS3 anymore with it's 1080p advantage, because the 360 has it also. Learn to deal with it or cry on

[Tut]

No... not dumb, but misinformed and uneducated on the subject. Thank you for explaining it though with no physical evidence (I do believe you though).

The only thing that makes me sad is that you have to be such an angry person that always feels he is being attacked. Give more hugs and smiles, man. The whole world isn't against you.

[UrbanJabroni]

1. There is NO framerate drop with 1080p.
2. THe ONLY reason 1080p wasn't enabled from day one was that at the time of launch there was not a SINGLE 1080p television on the market. They couldn't even test the functionality.
3. ALL 1080p televisions on the market today have VGA inputs. 1080p can also be used over standard component cables.
4. HDMI will NEVER, EVER be required for gaming. Ever.
5. They said 1080p wasn't important, and a year ago it wasn't...see point 2.
6. The digital output on the 360 is AMAZING...all that was required was a software upgrade and, tada, 1080p with no framerate hit.
7. If you have a tv that produces 16:10 ratio over vga then something is SERIOUSLY whacked on your end. As Major Nelson pointed out, computer monitors run ALL resolutions over vga just fine. So does my television.

I'm so incredibly sick of the same damned uninformed arguments over and over and over.

And no, Splinter Cell is NOT _native_ 1080p, it is just scaled to 1080p from the games native 720p.

[xboxlj]

"2. THe ONLY reason 1080p wasn't enabled from day one was that at the time of launch there was not a SINGLE 1080p television on the market. They couldn't even test the functionality. " -UrbanJabroni -

Actually that is not a true statement. I had my LCD HDTV since October 2005 and it has a native resolution of 1080p, which is why I chose it. When the 360 came out in November, I was shocked that it did not do 1080p at the time. Also my tv will only display 1080p on the 1st hdmi & the vga inputs.

[UrbanJabroni]

In the next update, I beg of you, implement a feature where we can ignore certain posters. I'm sure both sides are sick of the "hardcore fanboys" whose sole purpose is to rip on news about the opposing console, and I would like this site SO much more of I could just turn them off so I can read news and have a meaningful discussion. Please!

[shotty]

I know why the sony fans are angry. All these features were touted by Sony as exclusive to them. Now microsoft who never said anything about them comes out and does it before them. Come on people, we are sharing. We gamers benefit.

[gnothe1]

announce any of this because there was no need.like stated before there were no 1080p tv at the time, that didnt meant that the system wasnt able to handle it.so far as HDMI is concerned, you know that big plug that connects to the xbox360 with the switch on it, it switches from standard to HiDef signals, all MS has to do is make there own special cable that has the system plug on one end an HDMI plug on the other end made just for that an there you go, HDMI on xbox360!!an plus why would MS lay out all there cards when they knew sony was gonna say what they have is better!!if MS said the x360 can do a trillion colours a sec then sony would say they can do 2 trillion.thats why you never lay all your cards out at once!!

[drewdrakes]

Id appreciate it if you all didnt act like you were experts on HD cables (not that I think I am), etc. Youre mostly severely mis-informed. Is HDMI the best cable? Incredibly debatable, as the difference is that HDMI transfers in a native YCbCr colour information. Whereas DVI just has a couple of extra conversions in order to get it going into its RGB format. Any colour format can be converted to any other colour format, so, there shouldnt be much issue in making the 360 do it. Also, 1080p vs 1080i again? My god. the difference, yes progressive and interlaced, we all know that. The REAL difference? 1080p can fit in a few more vertical lines with less chance of flicker. Conclusion? Unless you see the 1080i flickering, its doing the same thing as 1080p.

P.S. All 3 people with an HDMI capable tv, im sure youll enjoy it.

[Antan]

Thankyou. I wonder who the other 2 people out there are?? hehe jk.

[Aflac]

im sick of ur BS always stating the 360 wont have hdmi, nor 1080p. They already declared that 1080p is comin t 360 as is hdmi wen needed. end of story, grow up and live with it, ur bickering is pointless.

[D3acon]

The market doesn't change that fast, not within a year. There hasn't been a drastic change from the people who didn't have a hdtv and now. If it was so simple to be implemented then why not have it at the start? Even if only %1 of the population had HD tvs at the time. That's nearly 300,000 people with it.

It sounds like they are reacting instead of acting and that's a bad thing. Because if it wasn't planned in the start, then there is really no way to tell once its introduced to everyone.

@SirNath. There is no bickering, I just want answers. How will it be implemented? Why did it take so long?

[super bill]

can anyone help me i just got splinter cell to day.ive just read about the 1080p settings.now ive got hdtv 27in.a vga hd cable and my resolution is 1360x768.is that good all bad.plus i got a hdmi input as well.so will my tv do 1080p?cheers.

[The Snake]

No, your TV will look best set at 720p, as that is its native resolution.

[TheMART]

Guys I guess it will be native and not upscaled, read it:

"Our first clue was that the pre-release version of Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent, which installs to the Xbox 360 debug hard drive, contained an option for 1080p support. The option was buried under the system options in the console Dashboard -- easily overlooked.

Once we noticed the new option, we immediately followed up with Ubisoft. Would the retail version of Splinter Cell: Double Agent also support 1080p output on the retail Xbox 360?

A Ubisoft representative's answer was short and to the point: "Yes."

If it was upscaled, it was done by the 360 and having the option only in the dashboard that can convert ALL old 720p games. Now this is popping up in the version of this game it could be that it's 1080p native. That would be very soon though and unexpected if you ask me

[FeralPhoenix]

Hey I never believed Sony when they said only true next gen games starts with PS3, but if you did believe that then I can see why some Sonyfanboys might be taking this news so hard. Don't worry all the games in 720p and 1080i look so sweet you won't even notice....still its ironic that 360 has the first 1080p game on the market, even funnier is the obvious pain that Sonyfanboys feel over something thats not even a big deal, unless you're sad because you won't be able to use the slogan that Sony was the 1st to have 1080p games, lol....how ironic.

[Ravenator529]

I posted a Major Nelson blogcast yesterday. He answers many of the questions surrounding 1080p.

http://www.news4gamers.com/...

Stop arguing and listen to show! Or at least the part where they talk about 1080p. I promise you that Albert from XBox knows more about the 1080p implementation to the 360 than ANY OF YOU!

The answers are right in front of your faces!

Yet you keep arguing!

[FadeToBlack]

What game was it able to run at that resolution? Pong?

[Daewoodrow]

Hah! Microsoft backtracked did they? From my knowledge, saying you WONT do something good then doing it anyway is not backtracking. By that logic, next time someone throws you a surprise party, storm out of the room, calling them all liars.

And no, I still agree with Microsoft. I wont benefit from the graphical enhancement of 1080p. Not without a 40" 1080p television. I can't even fit a 40" televison in my living room. Why am I happy? Because Sony were waving it like a red flag all year, saying that 1080p means superior technology. And Microsoft proverbially gored the matador.

[THAMMER1]

Well it is here and it is real good. I'm glad M$ can Back track ( as DJ put it ) and improve on a powerful console. And if you PS3 fans listen to major nelsons 1080p pod cast you would know how its done and how the update is done. Bottom line this S#!t is sweet and you know it.

[THAMMER1]

The 360 uses on open-ended system. The can update anything the system can handle. It's not like you have to open up the 360 and glue gun 1080p. You guys are just going to have to get the wool that Sony has crammed in your eyes out.
1080p resolution, HDMI, floating point vs. general purpose CPU power, value vs. cost and service vs. brand loyalty. All of the point here are points Sony has drilled in your head in an sad and deformed way do your own research along side the specs and mother board config. of the PS3 and you will find the real truths.

The PS3 will still be awesome but do not buy it with sill misconceptions ruling you brain.

[SPAWN]

From Gamestop will be here on Dec. 2nd for the retail price of $79.99 at Gamestop! So stop all the hating and lets do more gaming!

[wantedboys]

microsoft copy very thing sony did like blu-ray and 1080p

[PS3n360]

xbox live anyone?

[Mikey_Gee]

As much as it pisses me of to watch all the fanboy back and forth banter, I will give my piece on it.

I am very glad my 360 and PS3 will be 1080p capable.

- It is not that MS did not have the 1080p capability at launch, they just DID NOT ENABLE IT !! Reason, many folks did not have a TRUE 1080p set. Now that they are coming out left right and center ... MS flipped the switch and enabled it.

- 1080p signal for "GAMES" is very much possible over HDMI, VGA "AND" COMPONENT.

- 1080p for "MOVIES" will only work with the VGA and HDMI ... not because of technical bottle necks but rather BROADCAST rules in regards to copyright issues.

- "IF" your TV can accept 1080p through another port (IE 1080p component input or 1920x1080 over the VGA) your ARE FINE for "BOTH" games and movies without a HDMI cable.

- THESE RULES ARE NOT CONSOLE SPECIFIC .... THEY ALSO APPLY TO THE PS3

- Sony DOES NOT own 1080p .. that is a broadcast and recording resolution.

-----

I really do not see why folks get so uptight about this stuff.

FACTS:
1. Some folks like the 360
2. Some folks like the PS3
3. Some folks like both
(did not mention the Wii due to it not being HD)

POINTS IS ........ "IF YOU HAVE NO DESIRE TO OWN THE **OTHER** CONSOLE ............. then just do everyone a favour and MOVE THE FUK ON !!!!

I can only hope when the PS3 comes out ... not only the Sony fanboys but also the MS fanboys will "SHUT THE FUK UP" about which guys dad can beat up the other guys dad.

GUYS ......... JUST BE HAPPY WITH THE POWER OF THE CONSOLES TODAY.

I'd love to have some of the HARD HARDCORE fanboys from both camps sitting right here with me so I could smack them in the head with my Oldschool Atari 2600

(JOKE)

Let's get along and MOVE ON !!!

Like it or not, both consoles are no doubt going to be awesome (the 360 already is) ... so if you can't afford both ... go with the one you like the games the most on.

Why do I feel like and echo .. this has been said 8,000,000,000,000,000 times

[Deceased]

Finally, everyone listen to this guy he knows what he is talking about. the 360 is sweet and the ps3 will be too, get over it! Can't there be 2 sweet consoles without WWIII?

[Marriot VP]

my dad can beat up your dad

[AudioRage]

right, two of yous complained and like these

Watching Microsoft scramble and backtrack on their previous statements (which were quite bold by the way) is pretty entertaining

Seems like a last minute gamble on microsoft's part

Obviously your not listenin to what theyre saying!!! the whole point was to do this to shut sony fanboys up. I myself knew it was obvious yous wud find something to criticise since every fanidiot seems to do on this thing!! If u like and want a ps3, buy one!! dont spend your time tryin to defend your decision to buy one, and not buy the other, there are too many people on this site that couldnt care less!!!!aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa

[kingboy]

when`s the 360`S own sixaxis controler update dropping?Anyone knows,i can tell pretty soon.

[Marriot VP]

you mean the ripped off wii controller with no rumble, or sixaxis like you call it.

For 2 sources, eurogamer and IGN both unhappy with that controller. But you aren't, and you didn't even come within 2 feet of the controller but will love it anyways because it's Sony made. You can't hide your fanboyism

[Donkey Slayer]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
"Splinter Cell Double Agent Not 1080p
Report from Gamepro says it is -- Ubisoft says 'nope.'
by Luke Smith, 10/18/2006

Microsoft is supporting 1080p on its Xbox 360, we know this, but Gamepro is reporting that Ubisoft's just-released Splinter Cell: Double Agent (read Shoe's review here) will support 1080p displays. The image Gamepro provides is a shot of the Xbox 360 dashboard with a selectable 1080p display and says representatives from Ubisoft told them that the game would support 1080p.
When we asked Ubisoft for clarification, company reps told us: "It's 1080i."

[kingboy]

2 feet from what controler?ps3 lol dude i already did and will still do this month on the 28(i`ll bring pics to show proof)i even play all exclusives on all consoles before u.Hide what fanboism from who or what in here?haha

[Grown Folks Talk]

says 1080i for what it's worth.played it all day yesterday. didn't see the option for 1080p, but my tv probably doesn't support it anyway.

[Donkey Slayer]

Can try out setting your console to output at 720p and then again 1080i and let us know if you have any differences in performance, like framerate, screen tearing, etc.

I also wonder if outputting at 720p means it internal scales it to 720p or renders at 720p.. Some other games when outputted at 480p still render at higher resolutions.

[Capt CHAOS]

Doubt it. Any ideas the kind of hardware it takes to drive that res at a good frame rate. Unlikely we'll see much use of it on the 360 OR the PS3.

Me, Even if I had the choice, I'd drop the res (just a bit) to boost the frame rate up..

[THAMMER1]

Will update the 1080p option.

[Donkey Slayer]

I had 1080i with my modded xbox dashboard as well. Having sharper dashboard graphics made all the games that much better ;) (lol)

[THAMMER1]

Your about to out do yourself. The 1080p capability was updated 10/17/2006. In Nov. 2006 the option will appear on your dash board along with 720p and 1080i that the 360 came ready with.

I know you’re just probably in hate mode right now but it will wear off soon. Come to the light.

And all this 1080p ps2 stuff is too silly. Its funny how fan boys just come up with stuff with out even thinking about some one calling BS. Well that S#!t is total BS and you guys know it.

[Donkey Slayer]

That's all it was.. Ok, relax now :)

[DJ]

Ubisoft is saying so many different things, as are game sites. I've heard native 1080p, upscaled 1080p, and that it's not even 1080p, it's 1080i. I'm gonna wait this one out until they get their story straight.

[AuburnTiger]

What about the people who bought the 360 core, what about the people who do not have the standard HDD? What about the people who don't have a broadband connection to download this "update" to enable the 360 to accomplish 1080p. This is the stuff people have to think about when arguing nonsense.

Most likely these "1080P" games on the core will be limited to 720P only.

[Daewoodrow]

dash updates are stored on the internal flash drive, not the HDD. Everyone on both types of Live can get it.

[NextGen24Gamer]

We all know that there will be games in 1080p for both the 360 and the ps3. I believe from everything I have researched that the 360 is actually more capable of pulling off 1080p for games than the ps3. Mainly because of the embedded ram for hdr and AA....and more ram that can be allocated for graphic fidelity and the unified shaders. But, we wont know till they roll in.

Now, as far as Splinter cell 4 for the 360...its freakin unbelievable. I love it. Its graphically beautiful on my 1080p tv. And it says on the game case 1080i. But, they have stated that when the 1080p dashboard update happens, the game is actually developed in 1080p. So, in November we shall know if what we have read is true. It shipped 1080p but can't be enabled till the dashboard update in November. But, regardless...Splinter Cell 4 is a fantastic AAA game exclusive to the 360. thanks Microsoft.

And as far as the core. I'm sure there is going to be a way for all 360's to get the update. Just like core 360's can play live arcade games by buying the disc. We'll see. I wouldn't worry about it. Microsoft will come through as they always have.

[Antan]

playing it now, its very good but not as good as you make out. The frame rate is far too inconsistent, and has been mentioned in nigh on every review. Enjoyable it is.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

If you guys believe in the old testament, which I’m not saying its true or not but if you do. You know the story about how god worked all week long to create the heavens, earth stars and all that stuff right. Well what they don’t tell you in the story is on that seventh day when he rested the devil woke up to create the crap like The View, Gillbert Godfree, The Backstreet Boys, Hippies, Carrot Top and all these stupid freaking annoying fanboys