This week at the Game Developers Conference, Epic Games took their usual opportunity to show off the latest developments in their whiz-bang Unreal graphics technology. In addition to the shooty/demonic demos in futuristic/fantasy settings, one of the most touted features of the engine was that it can scale from next-gen consoles like the PlayStation 4 all the way to mobile devices and even web browsers. Which raises the question: If the Unreal Engine 4 is so scalable, can it run on Nintendo's still-new Wii U?
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Still, the fact that EA also said Frostbite 3 won't work on it is almost showing how much confidence these guys have in the system, which is to say, almost none.
.....uuuhhhhh, better just use a different engine, methinks, if you're going to tackle the risky task of third party development on a Nintendo console. Even UE3.
when it comes to hardware its a junk. Its ram and cpu are even slower than the current gen consoles so, just stop thinking of this piece of shit and support the developer for exploiting the real capabilities of ps4,next Xbox & pc...
fan boys just deal with the fact that Nintendo betrayed u with Wii u..
Nintendo made a huge mistake, they are in the middle of this gen and next gen so they have a tough task to get 3rd party support. Wiiu should have happened in 2010 and should have been called wiiHD because this wiiu message is very confusing most casuals don't even know its its next system or just another upgrade over wii
Wii2 or wiiHD could have been better
Also I will say it again the money and R&D that went into the gamepad should have been used to improve the actual specs, rumors are MS has delayed their announcements because Sony has put so much pressure on MS to match Sony specs wise
Best of uck next time around Nintendo but its not gonna be pretty next 3-5 years for Nintendo
I feel like it's more so the lack of awesome Nintendo exclusives at release. And the game pad doesn't have the same innovative feel that the motion controller focused Wii did of it's time.
When does the Wii U get some good news for a change?
@linkofrs
Of course they're porting last gen games to the Wii U, what else would they port? They're just trying to reach more people.
Wii U hardware sales are decent,but its the third party software sales publishers are upset with. Here's a link to VGAchartz http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...
Most Wii U games struggle to hit 100,000 units sold with only two crossing the million sold mark. So far if your not Nintendo there's no money to made on this platform, the same thing happened to the Wii.
And yes Nintendo needs to release their full hardware specs. Not releasing your hardware specs only shows you have something to hide, I don't buy products from companies who don't give out details of their products, makes them look shady.
If you want to blame anyone for not running newer tech, it's Nintendo to blame for going current gen 7 years late. But fanboys like you let Nintendo get away with anything & play it safe. The audience demographics & fanboys are what's wrong with Nintendo. And it's totally evident, if PS3/360 can't run next gen tech, obviously Wii U won't either, accept the reality partner.
"If you hate the Wii U already i can tell you will hate the PS4 cause most of the features Sony showed off the Wii U can already do."
And don't deny you said that. I show this so everyone could see how insecure you are plus I never said I hate the Wii U, you just did trying twist words into my mouth, mostly everybody on N4G is telling you the same thing in regards to UE4 not on Wii U & you still don't get it? E3 is around the corner, wait til the Sony press conference & see what the PS4 can really do before you come with stupid conclusions, this shows how much of an insecure Nintendo Fanboy you are. I wouldn't be surprised if you PM me again with a different account or going to a different comment section. The more you try, the more Laughing Stock you become, insect, END OF DISCUSSION.
Wii U has the raw GPU visual horsepower of 350 Gflops
PS3 has 230 Gflops, 360 gets 240 Gflops.
Saying the PS3 and 360 are on par with Wii U, hardware wise, is like saying a VW Golf TDI (236 pound feet of torque) is on par with an Aston Martin V8 Vantage (346 pound feet of torque)
*U JUST GOT PWNED*
Compared to 77 GLOPS Xbox and 224 GFLOPS (X7 SPUs) PS3. Xbox360 twice as fast, PS3 about 7 times faster based on raw performance. This like comparing a Civic (Wii U) to an McLaren F1 (PS3) and BMW 335i (Xbox 360).
*Wii didn't just get PWNED*
*U Did*
@hollabox
You have to admit that that doesn't tell the whole story, though. That comment is almost as bad as his. Sorry.
I'm sad to see Nintendo on the ropes, purchased every system up until the Wii, didn't care for the remote, and playing 480i/P games on a 60 inch plasma, yuck. I can see Nintendo rebounding with new IPs, but like always E3 comes around and we have a new Mario, new Zelda, new Mario Kart, new reboots of old franchises, and maybe Metroid other M crap-2. Nothing new, same old, same old, same actions that has been killing Sega. A new Sonic, more Sonic, Virtual Fighter, oh more Sonic, bad movie license game, and maybe an arcade port.
Any who Nintendo needs to work further with third party developers to improve their sales numbers. Have you seen this link http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...
WiiU GPGPU is a modified E6760,it supports DX11 END OF.
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Well you atleast made a great case why it would be an undesirable challenge for the devs thinking it's not worth it, and just not technical reasons either. It's going to take Nintendo a bit/while before they repair the damage done by their 1st party priority strategy. Building back up the fanbase that would be buying these games using this engine will take a while.
Next gen Nintendo will get serious or parish.
Wii u can still get a watered down version of UE4 which is more than PS3 and 360, said by the dev and based on your links.
I am hoping no one bash me, I am just asking a question, because I read a few places that no one know what the GPU could do and all everyone is doing is assumptions
Any who from what I've seen the Wii GPU only looks DX9 level graphics, its probably DX10 but like early DX10 graphic cards none of them had the power to run DX10 graphics efficiently. Nintendo is not alone, Microsoft has been coping Nintendo as of late with smart glass, Kinect, and casual games. Going forward MS business model seem to be make money off the casual gamers at the expense of core gamers. Durango hardware does not look like the jump we saw from the first Xbox to the Xbox 360.
Michel ancel,WiiU is very powerful and has no limitations,even on ps3 we had fillrate issues ect.
Gearbox,Wiiu is a powerful,powerful machine,and its defo nextgen,it has much more modern architecture.
Criterion,Wiiu shown us no limitations when developing Most Wanted U.
Shinen,Wiiu has zero memory/ram limitations due to cache and controller layout ect,with a small effort we could make the code 6x as fast,this was with out optimizing and without using any additional cores ?
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Here Carmack explains 720p/30fps is what nextgen will target.
http://www.develop-online.n...
WiiU gpgpu is a modified E6760 which is dx11,but uses 32MB/64MB of eDRAM for extreme bandwidth,and uses 3MB of eDRAM Cache on the cpu,which has out of order ex,and 512bit,basically IBM cpu cores in the future will all have eDRAM Cache FACT it's the future of IBM cpu cores.
Cache is very expensive memory,it costs alot more than system RAM in other words 3MB of eDRAM Cache would be more expensive than 8GB GDDR RAM end of,in other words 2GB of system ram and 3MB of eDRAM Cache is more expensive than ps4's solution and more effective,people forget this.
It's like they knew they would not support newer engines, but instead because they are all about Mario and first party titles, they did not really care.
Don't get me wrong,
NFSMW looks really good on it, with the better textures vs PS3/360. And i'm sure it can push out some very nice looking titles.
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http://www.qj.net/ps3/news/...
Now Mark Rein is laughing at the idea and pushing UE3 on Wii U instead.
Article clearly states:
Epic has been unclear about the Wii U's support for UE4 in the past, with Epic co-founder Mark Rein telling Videogamer that Epic doesn't intend to bring the engine to Wii U, but that "if a customer decides they want to port an Unreal Engine 4 game to Wii U, they could."
Even Retro Studios have already been confirmed to be making their own version of the UE4 for Wii U.
GDC 2013 Q&A:
I figured I'd ask straight-out, so during the Q&A with Rein, I did. "Will UE4 run on the Wii U?"
"Hahaha no." Rein said, with expert comedic timing. The room erupted with laughter. As the laughs died down, Rein continued: "I mean, sorry, it's not really a correct answer. We're not… we have Unreal Engine 3 for the Wii U. Right? And Unreal Engine 3 is powering all kinds of amazing games, still lots of games are being made with Unreal Engine 3. We announced today about a new Unreal Engine 3 license. Unreal Engine 3 doesn't disappear because of Unreal Engine 4. But our goal for Unreal Engine 4 console-wise is next-gen consoles. That's really what our energies are focused on. If you want to make a Wii U game, we have Unreal Engine 3, and it's powering some of the best games on the Wii U already.
@animegamingnerd
How?he said UE4 is built for next gen consoles[PS4/720]Epic must not view Wii-U to be powerful enough hardware wise
How did he avoid the question? He said no, UE4 is not for the WiiU...but they can still UE3. That's pretty concrete.
In 90s Nintendo and Sony really paved way for home console gaming and how many times Nintendo has to prove that they are not going anywhere.
Ungrateful devs.
Dudes comments were dripping with extra-DOUCHE Sauce. (jk)
And the people in the room were kind of the same.
But anyway-
at least we know WiiU can run it. All it will take is the Will.
But based on the laughter, I'm not sure that it is going to happen much.
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Mark Rein has already confirmed the engine can run on the Wii U, albeit scaled down.
http://www.videogamer.com/n...
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So in other words the headline is actually misleading. Like stated in the article I linked, Unreal Engine 4 in its full form is being brought to other consoles but not to Wii U from Epic. However, other developers can use a scaled down version of the engine. That issue was never addressed here in this new article whose headline implies the engine won't be supported at all.
My problem is the above comments are taking this as the console is too weak to support the engine altogether, like the 360 and PS3 when Rein had already confirmed you can scale down the engine to run on the platform, something apparently not doable on the 360 or PS3. It's misinformation, plain and simple.
Now that I think of it, this article isn't even news. It's just Mark Rein reaffirming what he has stated before. But conveniently enough, everyone forgot about Wii U's already confirmed ability to run this engine.
GDC 2013 Q&A
I figured I'd ask straight-out, so during the Q&A with Rein, I did. "Will UE4 run on the Wii U?"
"Hahaha no." Rein said, with expert comedic timing. The room erupted with laughter. As the laughs died down, Rein continued: "I mean, sorry, it's not really a correct answer. We're not… we have Unreal Engine 3 for the Wii U. Right? And Unreal Engine 3 is powering all kinds of amazing games, still lots of games are being made with Unreal Engine 3. We announced today about a new Unreal Engine 3 license. Unreal Engine 3 doesn't disappear because of Unreal Engine 4. But our goal for Unreal Engine 4 console-wise is next-gen consoles. That's really what our energies are focused on. If you want to make a Wii U game, we have Unreal Engine 3, and it's powering some of the best games on the Wii U already.
That's what has been said so the article stands correct
This clear confirmation from the man who lead the development of UE4, comes nearly a year later, in a development seminar at GDC yesterday morning.
The WiiU doesn't support directx11.1 which is what the UE4 is built around.
High end tablets and phones have some sort of equivalent in their graphics cards so scalability for mobile platforms was taken into consideration for these new quad core mobile CPU/GPUs.
Mark Rein the Chief engineer behind the New Middle ware has come about and said that UE4 was not tailored to the specifications of the WiiU. There for its not supported. No use in trying to make this seem like Epic or Kotaku is trolling. We heard it from the horse's mouth, the WiiU isn't up to chops with Next Gen consoles. Get over it.
I love how they refute it. The Wii U while a step up from the Wii is more bin line with the ps3 and the Xbox360... Its not next gen by any margin.
@PopRocks
Lol. We all know Kotaku trolls a lot, but geez, the editor in question sat at the seminar and quoted Epic's mark rein word for word. Just have a seat and relax.
Its not just kotaku who is reporting this but other game media sites and publications. The related links and secondary source links are there just below the article. CLICK THEM.
Just to further hammer the point, DICE's Frostbite Engine 3 is skipping the WiiU. And Damn near all the major features of the new iterations of that engine are not being scaled into the PS3/XBOX360 version, like Ray tracing, High Dynamic Range Gobal Illumination Lighting, Procedural Destruction, and Tessellation... Just give it a rest.
The WiiU while is a condole stronger than the PS3 and xbox360 by virtue of using newer parts, its still a pipe dream awasy from putting forward anything even remotely as good looking as as PS4 launch game and 2 of the biggest Middle ware Developers has Just plain out left the WiiU out not any form of support foir those engines.
First of all, I would like a link to where Mark Rein said that, and it better be verbatim.
Secondly, Kotaku has done plenty of trolling in the past year and prior. But hey, when it's bad Nintendo news it isn't trolling at all. How convenient, right?
EDIT: So explain to me why Rein would state earlier on that the engine can run on Wii U if the specifications were no good for it? Either he's full of shit or you are.
And by the way, the headline of the article says no Unreal Engine 4, but in the actual article Rein never stated it could not run it. He only stated that Epic was not making UE4 engine run games for Wii U, while UE3 was fully optimized for the platform.
"I love how they refute it. The Wii U while a step up from the Wii is more bin line with the ps3 and the Xbox360... Its not next gen by any margin."
This is based on... absolutely nothing. I already told you the article made no statement of the Wii U being unable to run the engine. If the Wii U is so on par with the 360 and PS3, why can it run a new engine that those two cannot?
Now YOUR gonna sit here and try to correct him?? Seriously? Then have the nerve to blame the guy who chose to post this article here on n4g, and also blame those who approved this article (which is fact based--not opinionated article).
Seriously? Since when does an old quote out-rank a new one, especially when both quotes are from the same guy/source?
Got any more outlandish, delusional, straw-grasping, Ninty fanboy defensiveness left in you?
Where did he say that?
"Hell, he was the one to change his mind. He NOW knows that Wii U cannot handle UE4."
Where did he say that?
"Maybe he thought it could, but once he put it into practice, it failed to work."
Where did he say that?
Bring me some facts. The only one grasping at straws here is the one who is laying out the personal attacks, and that certainly isn't me.
"Now YOUR gonna sit here and try to correct him??"
I always thought it was cute when someone put words in my mouth. I actually never corrected him. I said he never stated the engine cannot run on the Wii U in this article. In fact in the older article, he stated in can in fact run on the hardware and there are NO articles to suggest otherwise.
Until someone explicitly states Wii U cannot run Unreal Engine 4, I'm not believing anything hateful liars like you have to say.
EDIT: "Seriously? Since when does an old quote out-rank a new one, especially when both quotes are from the same guy/source?"
You seriously lack reading comprehension skills. Go read this article.
Now that you've done that, do me a favor. Quote me where specifically Mark Rein said the hardware cannot run the engine.
Please at least use facts the next time you decide to insult me. By the way, shout out to the community for giving 3+ agrees to the guy with no facts and personal attacks. Really awesome.
""Hahaha no." Rein said, with expert comedic timing. The room erupted with laughter. As the laughs died down"
I'm sorry to tell you this but Mark Rein sees the Wii U as a joke.
Don't get me wrong its a nice console but it can't even be considered a next gen system because it can't even support next gen engines.
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It's obvious most of the time that Wii U won't be getting certain multiplats, etc. and Nintendo fans didn't buy their consoles to play those games. They bought the WiiU to play WiiU exclusives.
Xbox 720 / PS4 won't be getting NSMBU, Lego City, Pikmin 3, Smash Universe, etc.
If you're not interested in Nintendo exclusives then why are you posting in this topic? Oh that's right, you're an obvious troll.
Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for.
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Then Nintendo fanboys have the cheek to say your a "Nintendo hater" or "You don't like Nintendo" when all your doing is pointing something out.
First FrostBite Engine 3 (Battlefield, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, new IPs), now Unreal Engine 4 (the third one being one of the most used engines this gen). Whats next Source 2, the next Avalanche Engine or the next Anvil engine (Assassins Creed)
It's a game engine for NEXT-GEN consoles and anyone with a common sense should know by now that the Wii U doesn't fit that description. ;)
The faithfuls are quick to question anyone who talks ill of Nintendo, but yet turn a blind eye when the company does poor business decisions.
I think Nintendo should have asked developers what they need while designing the Wii U. Nintendo has a history of doing their own thing, which is great for software development, but is proving to be very bad for hardware design.
I own a Wii U since launch, and have had some enjoyable experiences on it, but aside from Nintendo exclusives, it serves no other purpose.
They are always cutting back on something and that just pisses me off with all the money they have, Nintendo should have the most powerful console but for some reason they cut corners to pinch pennies every single time now with each production of their new systems.
Their handhelds aren't any different, sure they may have great games but hardware wise again they are lacking and every time they revise them with no real improvements from the last or any real changes to the hardware itself which was a big problem with the DS and 3DS.
You don't play their handhelds though, so you have no idea what those revisions were "fixing". You just look at them as "just another model."
360 started with a bang and went out with a whimper
wii started with a bang and went out with a whimper
wiiu started with a whimper and went out with a ???????