Sony Blamed for Nintendo’s Inability To Secure Third Party Games

The Japanese investment and market analysis firm ACE Securities released a report on Nintendo’s recent substantial reduction of the earning forecasts for the current fiscal year.

Interestingly enough, Sony is pinpointed as the cause for Nintendo's inability to secure third party software.

[Mikelarry]

Right!!!!! it has noting to do with Nintendo's approach to third party developers or Nintendo stuck in the past frame of mind instead of growing with the times...... NEXT

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[abzdine]

but who stopped them from investing as well?
i thought 3DS, DS and Wii was jackpot for them and they had more cash than PS Jap division did?
Nintendo's marketing was outstanding and so agressive with Wii, i dont understand what suddenly happened, i just dont!

But good to know Sony doing marketing efforts, looking forward to some new jap reveals on PS4

[cleft5]

To be fair, if you read the article it isn't the people actively running Nintendo blaming Sony for it's failures. It's the corporate department, that is clearly out of touch with reality, saying that Iwata needs to respond to their claim.

Nintendo's problems aren't Sony's fault anymore than any success they achieve being attributed to Sony.

[uptownsoul]

First of all, please don't use that short hand for Japanese. But to your ultimate point, I somewhat agree, it's nintendo who i believe rested on the success of the Wii that made them think they could just coast on the brand name of the Wii (hence calling it Wii U) to market itself. They took far too long to realize that they needed to step their marketing and advertising game up.

[shoddy]

I blame MS

[UltraNova]

Yeah...

[Hatsune-Miku]

When it comes to Nintendo and their failures, blame consumers and other gaming companies like sony. Im surprised they aren't blaming rumpelstilskin

They blame sony for actually doing a competent job of acquiring quality titles for their PlayStation

[UnHoly_One]

I don't get their reasoning on this at all either, I don't see how anything Sony has done would affect the viability of the Wii U.

But... If they had named MS instead of Sony... Wow I can only imagine what these comments would look like. lol

[ABizzel1]

@Miku

LMAO @ rumpelstilskin XD

[link2Dpast]

yea their marketing approach with the Wii was top notch. Then with the WiiU they have these obscure commercials that give no lime light to what is the WiiU, then on top of that release a revamped Wii MINI WTF, advertisement is literally non-existent and i live in nyc i see nothing Nintendo anywhere, not even on the buses. Other than near their home store. i just think The WiiU was such a surprise i think even for Nintendo, its as if they were expecting for it to just sell on its own just cause of the wii name now their dumbfounded on how to approach their own product.

I say test the waters, if mario kart or smash dont give you the numbers you want sales wise, then thats the nail in the coffin and just move on. Mario 3D world did good but not to what it can and i believe that's a first sign of worse to come. So test waters on your other top system sellers especially mario kart and smash bro, whenever that is coming out, but if the present proves anything, it a good indication if mario aint selling then this pipe is clogged just move on.

[nukeitall]

I think this is a positive thing for Nintendo. Remember how Microsoft upped the game, and forced Sony's hand to improve their relationship with 3rd party?

Remember when MS was the one sending out engineers, whereas Sony was the one ignoring 3rd parties?

Look at Sony now!

Point being, Nintendo will do the same and Nintendo is a company that has proven to be very adaptable in the past so drop the price on a Wii U while the Windwaker LE edition is still available, and I will jump on it!

That said, I think investment into third party is not something Nintendo is "used" to, and will take some corporate company culture change. That is the most difficult thing to do for any company. Humans are creatures of habit!

[princejb134]

I think it was the wii that gave the wii u a bad taste
During that time I was working for gamestop and the wii was selling like hot cakes
Mainly because of the gimmick of wii sports and wii fit and the wii controller
But many of those people that bought the wii including myself found the game library kinda empty or disappointing. The only good games were the first party (Mario,Zelda,metroid, etc.)

[PeaSFor]

Blame me, im Canadian.

[windblowsagain]

What happened was they brought out the Wii u, which hasn't got the gimmick controls that mums,dads,children enjoy. Casual gaming.

The casual console can happen again, just needs to be more powerful then PS4, and have tons of 3rd and 1st party.

[Robotronfiend]

"Jap" is not the preferred nomenclature dude.

[THEDON82z1]

It's not too-late yet (hear me out I am a hardcore PlayStation man, with deep Nintendo roots at-least up to N64..LOL.

1)Invest,Invest,Invest...One the biggest problems about Nintendo is there refusal to invest in RD.They need to hire some good tech firms to get together with their internal tech teams and create a kick ass HD engine to exploit WII U's GPU. They also need to invest in expanding their first party teams so they can create some New IP's. Finally they need to invest in creating A pro controller 2.0,miniaturizing the tablet screen and combining that with the pro controller.After that take a loss and bundle that sh@t with a black Wii U.

2) Stop creating the same dame games over and over...Its real pathetic when you cant tell a real difference between Mario Wii AND Mario WiiU
I am 31 years old and the biggest disappointment for me is not seeing the classic game's I grew up on, not get a real Next-gen remake! Mario should get a direct sequel to Mario 64(only with tru kick as graphics),Zelda should have went with a more darker tone just like the (Tech demo hinted at) and finally they should just say fuck it and make Super Metroid a straight Mass effect inspired type game.If they had those three big titles along with some new IP's, they could really have a good chance of turning things around.

Finally the last one CREATE A REAL INTERNET SERVICE deputing with a Nex-gen Starfox as F2P type game, this is 2014 sh@t. But watch Nintendo do the exact OPPOSITE!!!!

[Eonjay]

I have never found blaming anyone to be a solution or appropriate way for dealing with my problems

[thexmanone]

@ shoddy

I blame you for trolling

[ShinMaster]

NINTENDO is to blame.

""Satoru Iwata took away the autonomy of Nintendo of America when he took over. This meant the Japanese branch, the headquarters, made all the calls. This was right when the West started gaining a lot of traction as the most important part of the world sales-wise for the industry.

Multiple Western third-party relationships with Nintendo quickly soured, many that had worked with Nintendo closely in the past had their bonds broken with the big N, and it still hurts Nintendo to this day.
Third-party support in general is much more horrid than when Satoru Iwata originally stepped into the role as president of Nintendo, and it has only been getting progressively worse.

Under Iwata's leadership, Nintendo allowed the Wii to flounder for two years at the end of its life without much software support. This made it so the casual gamers that were attached to the Wii name went elsewhere for their entertainment, and it made it so any momentum Nintendo would have had going into the Wii U was dead.""
http://www.superphillipcent...

[Pogmathoin]

Nuke, I guess disagrees mean you spoke the truth.

[UltraNova]

@Pogmathoin

Care to elaborate on why i got disagrees with just saying 'yeah'??

I would appreciate it...really!

[Apex13]

@Mikelarry, calm down dear, it's just an article lol

[Mikelarry]

lol i am very calm just dislike when blame is passed around on to others but the the person who is at fault, instead of the blame game cant they suggest ways Nintendo can improve on to avoid situations like this

also to the disagrees just an example of what third parties are saying about the wiiu... don't hate the messenger hate the game

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

[JsonHenry]

Nintendo needs to realize that they are stuck in the past. Gimmicks in gaming rarely sells anymore. The Wii, WiiU, Kinect, and PSMove controllers are all gimmicks at best. It doesn't help sell a console or games. And add that Nintendo's default controllers are these gimmicky things it is a recipe for distaster.

Lets move on to the fact Nintendo's machines are greatly underpowered (something they use to be the star of!) compared to the competition. Then lets look at network/online/friends/apps and realize just how stuck in the late 90s Nintendo's online services are.

The problems with Nintendo is lack of vision and keeping things modern. Hopefully they learn their lesson and knock the next one out of the park much like Sony did with the PS4.

[Chevalier]

I would think their poor choice in designing underpowered Wii U console and not having development tools ready are more detrimental than anything. Lots of work and low sales cement it.

[kenshiro100]

This is hilarious.

A big company like Nintendo blaming Sony because they can't get third party support?

They have themselves to blame for it.

[showtimefolks]

MS's already blames sony now Nintendo wants to join the cry baby list. Nintendo has a long long history of not getting 3rd party support, how about actually geeting feedback from development community next time around

stop with these Gimmicks gamepads and motion controls, make a solid console that can compete with ms and sony and 3rd parties will support you

also next time when you launch a new console make sure the games are ready to come out within timely manner. Both sony and ms will believer more than in shorter period of time since launch

[Kavorklestein]

When has MS ever blamed Sony for anything? In fact, they have taken less pot-shots at Sony than Sony has as them, let ALONE blame them lol

[Cha0tik]

It doesn't matter who is blamed. With the right approach and the right terms anyone can be talked into creating an exclusive game. This is an internal problem. It has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony. They MUST make their console look amazing to develop for and with the numbers they are selling that's going to be hard.

[TheLyonKing]

I would take that as a compliment for Sony, Sony's hardware and support of 3rd party titles means its much more attractive and viable to produce on their platform rather than nintendo's

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Nintendo make it attractive to third party at the same time innovative gameplay like u always done.

[madjedi]

What innovation exactly?

I don't see anything remotely innovative in nintendo games the last couple gens, that hasn't been matched by either third part sony or ms games.

What innovative gameplay exactly mario still runs, jumps and stomps goombas and samus and link are still doing their things. Same shit better graphics like all games.

So again what innovative gameplay because since the ps1/ps2 era i don't see any real gameplay innovations. That i hear nintendo fans rave about, just the same basic things only more fleshed out as we utilize more powerful hardware and better tools.

If anything you have had more innovation(piss poorly used instead of improvements/advancements), in the graphical side, ai ect than the gameplay side.

Looking at all the ms, nintendo and sony games released last gen, i am not seeing anything i would shout to the heavens as innovative really.

But then again i am only interested in it's a fun game or not, how innovative the same games from 30 yrs ago despite not really changing much if any in 10+ yrs.

People need to stop confusing fun or enjoyable with innovation, and stop thinking that if the game is not innovating that it is a bad game.

Last serious innovations online and waggle, even those aren't new concepts in gaming. The powerglove by mattel for nes.

[ape007]

it's competition, it's nintendo that don't go out and get 3rd party games, let me put things on perspective,

nintendo have some of the best studios in the world and give some of the best games, games that are pure gold and have timeless appeal, i cannot wait for DK Tropical Freeze

on the other hand, Nintendo's management just plain sucks, their strategies and decisions with 3rd party developers, with system specifications, with online support, with the industry as whole just plain sucks

other than the hardcore nintendo fan, the wiiu for the general public is a very late xbox 360+ with tablet that have waaay less games and worse online support

the wiiu future looks absolutely bleak, i MEAN THE WIIU CANNOT EVEN GET/COMPETE WITH CURRENT GEN MULTIPLATS like GTA V, BF4, NFS what the hell the wiiu gonna do against NEXTGEN MULTIPLATS, the system feels lost

some might say to "hey ape u like their games why are u criticizing them"

i criticize because i don't want nintendo consoles to stop, i don't want to see others bash the company i grew with with heavy valid arguments, i don't want to see everyone making a joke out of it, from developers to games

nintendo should make a true wiiu, something that is for everybody

hope sales pick up...

[lilbroRx]

@" it's nintendo that don't go out and get 3rd party games"

False:

Tekken Tag Wii U Edition

Fire Emblem X Capcom
Lego City
Bayonetta 2
Wonderful 101
Hyrule Warriors
Sonic Lost World

[deafdani]

I think he means multiplatform games. Of which the Wii U has a few, true, but it's definitely lacking, and it looks like it will fall even more behind in the future in that area.

[lilbroRx]

@deafdani If Nintendo payed for developers to put something on their hardware that third parties were paying other companies to be able to put on their hardware(third parties have to pay licensing fees to sale the gamers, otherwise the console manufacturers wouldn't make any money) that would be disastrous.

It would set a precedent where every developer would expect Nintendo to pay to have the games on their console. It would cost Nintendo even more money. It would do nothing good for their pr. It wouldn't improve the Wii U's situation at all.

Did you forget Splinter Cell Blacklist? Dark Siders 2? Assassin's Creed 3 and 4? Call of Duty BO2 and Ghosts? Arkham City and Origins? Rayman Legends? Trine 2: Director's Cut? Deus Ex Human Revolution Director's Cut? Sniper Elite 2? Resident Evil: Revelations HD? NFS Most Wanted? Lego Marvel? etc.

They already get most of the big name third party mulitplats. They simply don't sale. People would rather buy them on consoles they already own with reputations for not having broken, glitchy versions of the game with missing content and modes. How is Nintendo wasting money to get more of them going to change that?

Exclusives always trump mulitplatform games in moving hardware as well.

[Redempteur]

@lilbroRx
Your list has 3 games that aren't out yet.
fruthermore, nintendo does need all those games that are garanteed to be on some consoles , stuff like creed ( they do ) but need for speed ( where is rivals ? ) , fifa , madden , METAL GEAR , GTA , skyrim.

How can you expect a normal consummer to take this console when the big games aren't there. Nintendo got creed and COD , but they failed to convince EA and plenty of other publishers aside from ubisoft.

[iceman1346]

wut ?!

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Translation:
Sony money-hatted third parties, Nintendo did not do it so much.
I guarantee you that if Nintendo had money-hatted as much as Sony, the third parties would have found ways of shoe-horning those games onto the Wii U.

But as it is, they're going to need to rely on a smaller selection of really high-quality third party exclusives instead of a ton of multiplats.

And given how horrible many of the launch ports were, I don't think most of those third party's could have made games worth having on the Wii U anyways, so good riddance to the ones that gave up before even trying to make something other than a port, if anything at all.

[InTheLab]

Actual translation right there in the article:

"2: Response to the problem of the inability to secure third party titles caused by SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment) investing heavily in the marketing cost of multiplatform software."

Has nothing to do with money hatting 3rd party exclusives, but everything to do with making a more attractive platform to sell multiplats on.

[MasterCornholio]

Here's the truth.

The PS4 is more appealing to 3rd party's than the Wii U which is why the PS4 has more support than Nintendo's console.

[kayoss]

@wonderfulmonkeyman Please do me a favor and never try to translate anything for us. Thanks.

[Hicken]

Translation: wonderfulmonkeyman is trying too hard to defend Nintendo, and placing the blame on other companies, accusing them of doing things they don't even do.

Sony's kept very good relations with third parties for quite some time, though that was strained in teh early days of the PS3, when they weren't the most helpful when it came to getting devs acquainted with the Cell architecture and developing for it. That said, most of the third party support they have received has been either multiplatform games, or virtual second party developers/publishers/franchis es.

Particularly as it pertains to Japanese developers, there are many that simply prefer to have their games on Sony consoles. As far as console makers go, Nintendo has been the least attractive business partner for third party developers for some generations, now. And while there ARE some devs who work only on Nintendo consoles while not being first party, the number of such devs and the franchises they make s relatively few, particularly in respect to Sony.

Sony isn't paying anything for the next BlazBlue or Guilty Gear to be exclusive. They're not paying anything for Ar Nosurge or Persona 5. It's just that a Sony console is where those developers and publishers want those games to be.

As for the performance of the ports the Wii U received early on, part of that can be attributed to developers, but part must also be laid at Nintendo's feet. I'm certain developers wanted something more out of the next-gen console than they got, and I wouldn't be surprised if the third party offerings were a little rushed. You dismissing them just sounds like sour grapes, to be honest.

[SoulSercher620]

You should look into getting your translator fixed.

[Kryptix]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

"Translation:
Sony money-hatted third parties, Nintendo did not do it so much.
I guarantee you that if Nintendo had money-hatted as much as Sony, the third parties would have found ways of shoe-horning those games onto the Wii U.

But as it is, they're going to need to rely on a smaller selection of really high-quality third party exclusives instead of a ton of multiplats.

And given how horrible many of the launch ports were, I don't think most of those third party's could have made games worth having on the Wii U anyways, so good riddance to the ones that gave up before even trying to make something other than a port, if anything at all."

Translation:
Derp

[madjedi]

And wonderful is a perfect example of why 3rd parties are abandoning the wii u, left and right.

So either make a dedicated wii u exclusive or gtfo, wisely most devs decided to take the second option and put the games on a system whose fans actually understand do not expect 1st party dedication from 3rd party devs.

You evil 3rd parties how dare you want to make a profit by releasing the same game to all platforms instead of making it exclusive to my beloved wii u.

The 3rd party game industry revolves around no one, least of all nintendo.

Why should 3rd parties try to help a console maker that seems to want to work against them at every turn.

Lol if those were horrible launch ports ps3 and 360 owners should be absolutely livid, dark kingdoms or gun says hi.

Talk about a spoiled brat.

[Redempteur]

Actually nintendo did money hat third party and they tried to put their games on the wiiU , and most of them bailed out after the first yet because it just wasn't worth it.

[RPG_Lover]

Eh, I dont know if thats true. But lets not use this as an excuse to troll Nintendo

[tigertron]

Yes, clearly this is all Sony's fault. *Rolls eyes*

[wingman32x]

In regard to the article, I don't really think it's Sony's fault. It's a lot more complex than that, I think.

This event on the 30th should be interesting. I've never seen Nintendo in a situation like this, so it'll be interesting to see how they plan to remedy it.

I was hoping for a Nintendo Direct this month, but time's running out for that, unfortunately.

[Mikelarry]

i wouldn't get my hopes up for that event, if we were to go by history the highlight of the event will be another character reveal for SSMB and before some of you start saying i am trolling on Nintendo i do actually love the company but it seems that they are oblivious to important changes that are happening around them

[wingman32x]

I wasn't talking about games. The briefing on the 30th has to do with management and policy, according to the article. If Nintendo has any structural/policy changes to announce, that is when they would do so. Which is why I'm curious as to what it's about.

I'm not expecting too much, for the record. I think they might announce a permanent price drop on first party software, but I can't see anything more dramatic than that happening.

[CRASHBASHUK]

what about xbox one and DR3? its the same thing in a way

[Majin-vegeta]

Uhhh no.It's Ninty fault for not getting with the times.You either get with the times or get left behind time simply waits for no one.Simple as that.

[hollabox]

Simply Sony built a system developers friendly with a proven recent history of great third party sales. Nintendo on the other aimed to low with their specs and marketing.

[monkey602]

Its nintendo's fault for creating this monster. Theyre to blame for the playstation to begin with ;)

[MasterCornholio]

Frankenstein?

[Nocando]

I think in about 5 years Sony will be the only player.

[LexHazard79]

And that would suck!!

[KillrateOmega]

I agree with BakPAin, that would suck. Competition is good. It keeps everyone on their toes.

[TheGreatXavi]

if Microsoft and Nintendo out of game industry, I bet on eof Apple, Google, and Samsung would replace them. In the end, its the big three, Apple, Google, and Samsung who rule the tech worlds now, not Sony, Nintendo, yes even Microsoft

[ziggurcat]

Actually, the blame lies on Nintendo's shoulders for playing catch up rather than put out a system that's on par with xbone/PS4.

[curtis92]

If it IS Sony's fault, then that still means it's Nintendo's fault. Wii U's failure rests ONLY on Nintendo's shoulders. They are just out of touch with console gaming. They got LUCKY with the Wii with it becoming a fad for non & casual gamers. That luck has run out.

[KillrateOmega]

Sony has created a very attractive platform for 3rd parties. It is, in fact, so attractive that (according to these people) Nintendo is having trouble securing 3rd party deals.

[Bronxs15]

To be fair. I was gonna buy deus ex for wii u, but then I saw it super cheap on sale with my ps plus. And the Wii u version doesn't look substantially better than ps3 to warrant the full price. Same story with sonic all star racers. Thought it would be a fun game for wii u but was much cheaper with ps plus discounts. Sorry Nintendo I got a wii u and want to support you but I'll keep getting third party games onps3 if they continue to offer vastly better value.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[AnEwGuY]

In other news, Nintendo is blamed for Sony's utter failures with the PSP and Vita.....

[MCTJim]

Sony is so evil by paying off third parties not to develop for the Wii U. It so obvious that it could not be the fault of Nintendo in any way...Sony=Evil corporation to take over the world. /s

I would say the article title is misleading really. The fault lies on Nintendo for not being more aggressive marketing their machine.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Ok so in part I agree, Sony's marketing dollars definitely probably kept many 3rd party titles from coming to the WiiU. But I would add MS into that mix... 3rd party games got their marketing costs covered by either MS or Sony. Porting to the WiiU quickly became an extra cost with little return so most of the 3rd parties just opted out.

What isn't being said but very well may come out in the meeting on the 30th is that Nintendo for the most part was un-willing or unable to make similar marketing deals for the WiiU with a few exceptions. Nintendo traditionally hasn't needed to do that mind you but times are changing and to be relevant for 3rd party they needed to step up and establish this kind of partnership. Instead Nintendo left 3rd party publishers out in the cold to fend for themselves. Nintendo only wanted to market their own games but expected 3rd party games to help carry them for the first few years. The competition embraces 3rd party and understands they have to help them to help themselves.

[mochachino]

Most upcoming 3rd party games wouldn't work on Wii U, or the dev cost to market share wouldn't justify it.

Next gen engines were made for next gen hardware and PC, which are all very similar. A lot of last gen games come out on Wii U but there's no point buying a Wii U to play last gen games when they'll look and run virtually as well on your ps3/360. And for people that don't have those, you can get a ps3 with a far better and larger game catalogue for 200 and much cheaper games.

The only reason to buy a Wii U is if you love Mario and Zelda, etc way more than every other game. And even them, you could adequately satisfy your Nintendo fix with a 3DS....cause for Nintendo fans, graphics don't matter right?

:)

[zinger_AU]

Yes you're pretty much right. I think you have a Nintendo console because of Nintendo first party exclusives, but there really isn't enough of them to warrant a purchase from non-die hard Nintendo heads.

[Clarence]

Wow! How about the fact that Nintendo is living in the past, thinking that another gimmick would help sale the Wii U.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Maybe by the end of this year, company's will learn.. Gimmicks aren't for Gamers.

[dcbronco]

Everyone knows that Sony doesn't pay for developer support.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Not "developer" support but they do foot the bill for advertising often. GTA V is a prime example. Numerous commercials air'd showing of the game and at the end you saw "On Playsation 3" or "Get the exclusive PS3 GTA V bundle" at the end of the commercial. Never saying its exclusive but the association that the game and system go together is made by consumers. That is the kind of support Sony does often, and its valuable to publishers. In trade Sony will get back DLC often or in GTA V's case they got to make an exclusive bundle for the PS3 with the game packed in.

[dcbronco]

It is a form of paying to get a game. it's no different from what MS does to secure Gears as an exclusive. MS paid for a 10 million dollar advertising campaign.

[MajorGecko]

I blame Nintendo's neglect of hardcore gamers during the WII generation.

[TristanPR77]

Oh Nintendo... You need a rebirth

[unknownbystander]

Just so you know, for the people who haven't been paying attention, it was ACE Securities who made the claim about Nintendo blaming Sony why they couldn't get 3rd party. I repeat, it was ACE Securities NOT Nintendo.

[LKHGFDSA]

Yeah you're right. It's just some careful guess-work by an analyst.
It's out of character for Nintendo to be aware of their problems or do anything about them.

[zero_gamer]

Yeah, it's Sony's fault the Dreamcast failed...

[GraveLord]

Or its the weak Wii U hardware and Nintendo's beliefs that their games are better than everyone elses.

3rd Party Games do get put out on Wii U once in a while. They. Just. Don't. Sell.

[tommygunzII]

I would blame mobile gaming before Sony. Nintendo and Sony have coexisted for 20+ years.

[snookiegamer]

So it's Sony's fault they have better relationships with third party studios?

Nintendo have creatively led and inspired the industry, but I think Nintendo could learn something from Sony sometimes.

Nintendo promoted their consoles as 'Family Entertainment', which was cool back in the 90's. But gaming has matured since then.

There's way more 15 & 18 rated games than there used to be, and I feel the majority of third parties don't see Nintendo consoles as appropriate for that content.

[RoboticusRex]

Nintendos failures can only be blamed on Nintendo

[ambientFLIER]

What????? Something is not being blamed on Microsoft???? Crazy

[RoboticusRex]

Microsoft is obviously not taking business from anyone at the moment.

[snookiegamer]

Hehe, that made me giggle....nice one!

[LKHGFDSA]

this article is from Japan where M$ are non-existent.

[nevin1]

Nintendo didn't have strong 3rd party support since SNES.

[Kidmyst]

Who to blame for Sega's fall from Consoles? Nintendo and Sony? It's actually pretty hard for Nintendo to compete against Sony and Microsoft when both are big tech giants. Nintendo needs to partner up with someone like Apple,or LG, Samsung, someone who can help accelerate their tech and draw in more 3rd party support allowing Nintendo to focus on the games, UI and features that will draw in core gamers, and kids alike.

[chikane]

Nice. We all know what happen last time nintendo and sony got into it

this was born

http://jscustom.theoldcompu...

so come on fight i wanna see what sony will do for revenge.

[stinkytofus]

The subpar hardware is wii u's demise

Im sure most gamers know about the wii u and mom and dads were clueless what was so special about it

[AstroCyborg]

when anything goes wrong in gaming blame sony WTF

[Baccra17]

Sony is the red-headed step child of gaming.

[Jihaad_cpt]

The black sheep of gaming

[KontryBoy706]

Yeah Nintendo... when all else fails point the finger at others for your short comings...

[strigoi814]

do like Sony did it. if nobody wants to make games for your console gather all your studios and make games for yourself..

[Lionel_Hait]

Nintendo manned up and acknowledged their mistake, but now they are back-stepping by playing the blame game.

[Ashunderfire86]

Nintendo could only blame themselves for this, not Sony or Microsoft. As a matter of fact, Nintendo screwed Sony in the past, who was actually helping Nintendo with it's console. Nintendo screwing Sony cause the creation of the Playstation. Nintendo would be even more successful in the console market with Sony as an untouchable competitor, against Sega and even Microsoft. Two great game companies fusion together is better than one. Nintendo should of realize this back then, now its biting them in the ass. Nintendo's stubbornness isn't helping them either.

They still can't make a decent online service to fully take advantage of the great games they are making. I would love to see a match making system for Smash Bros 4, and Mario Kart Wii U, similar to what Sony and Microsoft is doing with their consoles. Nintendo is losing all these opportunities, and that's why many developers are not developing games for Wii U. It messed up that Alien: Isolation is not coming to the Wii U! That Wii U controller could be used for that motion tracker, why can't Nintendo throw money at Creative Assembly to make this game for Wii U? Nintendo need to pull themselves together if they ever want to survive this industry.

[kingPoS]

What's hard to understand... Sony Obviously knew to invest in third party software. If you need an example look no further than PS+. You'd have to be blind to not see the Multi platform software present. <so many angles>

I think in the end it all comes down to the fact that Nintendo's main rivals ARE multifaceted tech companies. That could be considered an unfair advantage in it's own. Nintendo is just Nintendo for better or worse. What else have they to fall back own besides games?

Gateway MT6706 2008

[chaand]

What i think nintendo should do is come out with a new console . And everone that bought a wii u can trade it in then get the brand new nintendo console for. Like 100 bucks. If they Do it like they can satisfy the new customer and the old wii u cutomers

[Urbz7870]

So in a nutshell nintendo needs to get there sh!t together correct me if im wrong.

[sephx22]

It's not Sony's fault that they`re so fly.

[PudgeySan]

No one is to blame except Nintendo it self. This is the risk of releasing a current gen console 1 year before a next gen console cycle. Someone might say that the Wii U is more next gen then it was current gen when it was released and to be fair they would be right... But it's more of a mid generation console. It's specs boast 1/4 of the specs of PS4 in some area's.

Both PS4 and Xbone moving to x86 is going to lead dev's there way... Not to mention Nintendo as a whole is just a game company, Sony and Microsoft respectively can compete in this space with ease financially do to there other divisions as sources of income.

My fear for Nintendo isn't Sony Or Microsoft, It's taking advice from companies that accuse other companies of tie-ing up there resources. If this is the case logically you are going to have to spend some of that money you made with the Wii to start attracting devs or step out of the box and create a new model for devs or the industry.. Embrace the indies and rpg crowd.. Move around the industry standard. Create your own FPS exclusives etc. Seriously.. Nintendo's case is a logical one.

Evolve Or Perish.

[MadMen]

Nintendo is becoming quite the headache.

[SynestheticRoar]

It should be the CEO of Nintendo. That dinosaur needs to be put to sleep.

[Relientk77]

Yea its Sony's fault Nintendo forgot how to be a video game company lol

[Minute Man 721]

Blaming other people for their own failures,sad day for Nintendon't

[ironmonkey]

when you blame others for not selling cause you failed yourself to market like sony or the way ms has its own crazy ways of marketing but works then you should drop out now. simple dont be a bitch.

[shuuwai]

I blame EA, they started the train. Yet its a meh for me since my last console from Nintendo is the Wii. I don't plan on buying Wii U till I need some third party supports.

[worldwidegaming]

So many people know nothing of business.
Typical SWOT and in Japan Sony has challenged Nintendo! (And have been winning...)
Since playstation Sony has been working its way at getting closer with various 3rd party
Publishers. Fast forward to today and we have most of Nintendo's top stars no where to be found. They are making games for Sony/Microsoft consoles...
Yes they can blame other but in the end it was Sony and Microsoft who know how business works...
Loyalty does not trump cold hard cash!

[nerdgenious]

It's Nintendo's approach, it was said on the CEX coverage by game spot by the ceo of bethesda that nintendo's approach is extremely insulting!.

Sony: What can we do for you?

Microsoft: What can we do for you?

Nintendo: We made a console, make games for it!

see the problem?

[psDrake]

we are not blaming ea with sarcasm ?

lol

[thebudgetgamer]

Nintendo did that to themselves with the way they handeled third parties back in the day, that's why they all ran to Sony the first chance they got.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

It must be Sony's fault for sure, not because of the low specs that makes it difficult to port games...That console is a joke.

[ufo8mycat]

These 2 gaming platforms are in 2 TOTALLY different markets

Sony - Core gaming
Nintendo - Casual gaming (They ALWAYS have been).

Nintendo are sinking because the casual audience aren't as 'loyal' to a platform. A lot of these casuals have flocked to iPhone,iPad games

Unless they create some new feature that will attract casual gamers again, they are doomed imo.

If they switch to a core market, they won't succeed either imo because :

- They have always been known for casual games. They would have to advertise a TON to break this image and even then..

- Sony & Microsoft already have a HUGE strangle-hold of the core market, especially Sony, so would be tough for Nintendo to compete.

I just really think Nintendo are in trouble.

[Mr_InterNational]

All Nintendo is doing is pointing fingers at others for their failure! Nintendo needs to get out of that almost 3-decade old Mario/Zelda scene they are so stuck in the past that they need somethin modern to get out of the sink-hole they r in! They need games with blood, jump into shooting games and create a console with good controller not a hand held controller like the Wii/Wii u!

[Adolph Fitler]

Sony also caused Indonesia's Tsunami, & ALL natural disasters around the world....

Also, a recent letter found in Osama Bin Ladens security box, it was written that Osama was NOT in fact responsible for the attacks on 9/11, but that those attacks were actually orchestrated by Ken Kutaragi (in between designing PS3, of course)....Ken had the pilots trained by making them play Ace Combat for 50hrs straight on PS2.

The U.S. army also found a few million sticky taped together PS2's in another hole close to where they dug up Saddam Hussein...There were blue prints signed with Ken Kutarigi's signature, all detailed schematics to use the PS2's to launch the WORLDS entire missile collections to blow up the Western World....

Genghis Khan also used a Sony PS branded sword.

[THEDON82z1]

Good One ...lmao!!!!

[BosSSyndrome]

Thanks, Obama.

[saimcheeda]

they did an astoundingly good job with the Wii but they've been stuck in 2007 since then. I've said it before, naming the console WiiU was the biggest mistake they could have made!

[Adolph Fitler]

Sony also caused Miyamoto's erectile dysfunction problem, & they are also the reason Bill Gates had to step down from his position at MS, as Sony hired a hooker to give him aids, which is why Bill stepped down...I guess Sony knew Bill's weakness for young ladyboy prostitutes. I believe Sony were also SOLELY responsible for causing the 1980's videogame crash...

Anybody with ANY brains knows that anything BAD that happens in the world, is a direct result of the Evil Sony corp. Sony actually translates to "Babykilling, child r@ping, dog fondling, corpse copulating, Satan worshipping, completely evil bastards straight from hell", in ancient Inca dialect.

[JohnS1313]

What a joke. Sony never buys exclusives or does anything to stop third parties from making games on other consoles. Microsoft is known to do that. They have demands. But this is all about third parties not wanting to risk money on a console that has no future. They can't afford risks like that. Maybe Nintendo should start paying to get them to make a Wii U version.

[RetroGamingBlog]

I'm a huge Ninety fan, but I have to admit, they have themselves to blame. Maybe they got a little too comfortable. I'm sure they were aware fairly early on they needed to change, and those changes can't happen right away.

They will need to show they acknowledge and are acting on this come E3. It's going to be all about E3.

Failing that, they'll start to lose faithful followers.

[beerzombie]

I love Japan lived there for three years. The people there love a lot of things about American culture. They still try to live a very Japanese first life style. This is why some of the decision are made by their ceo's can hurt them globally.
You can see Microsoft did the same thing but thought about America first and you have a TV box that plays games. One of the biggest reasons why Ps4 is doing so good is because they thought globally and brought in foreigners to help design the world view and built the machine together.

[jay2]

No your s*** hardwares done that for you