Microsoft: Every Xbox One Can Be Used To Develop Games

Microsoft just confirmed with Kotaku news that leaked earlier today to Game Informer citing self-publishing options on Microsoft's next-gen console, the Xbox One.

[Neoninja]

Wow! That is freaking cool!
I'm gonna try my hand at this and see what I can do.

[Pisque]

Wait until it's released, with Microsoft you can't trust

[Gildarts]

Haters gonna hate

[Electric-flamingo]

No matter what ms does you won't be happy.

[Gazondaily]

Ugh really?

This is HUGE news. In fact, it's setting an industry standard. Not only are Indies getting the self publishing they wanted, the fact that every Xbox One can be used as a dev kit is simply astonishing.

THIS is how you prove naysayers wrong and shoe your commitment to indies.

Hats off to Microsoft. They got off to an awful start but they sure are striving to take all the right steps.

This, ladies and gentleman, is the beauty of competition.

[Root]

Don't see why your getting disagrees, it's the truth. It's MS, after everything they've done lets wait and see what the catch is or how good it is. People are just learning from their mistakes with trusting MS before.

I just don't get it, they treat us like crap after Kinect, became a greedy horrible anti consumer company, give the new Xbox horrible policies, revert them because of the negative reaction then all of a sudden after a few things here and there all is forgiven.

If Sony did that you wouldn't hear the end of it.

[ABizzel1]

This is good news for them, and news they definitely need.

But that leaves a lot of questions.

What about coding overheads, and will they prevent us from accessing the full power of the Xbox1 (even after the 25% CPU, 3GB RAM, and 10% GPU deductions from OS, Kinect, and Multimedia)?
Dev Tools?
Publishing?
When will it be ready?
Will this cause a flood of shovel-ware?

Great news, but we need more answers at Gamescom. They still haven't sold me on anything Xbox 1 related, but now they're at least trying to win back my graces.

[cytricks]

I have to admit...after hearing this...I am getting an Xbox One.

I am a software engineer and I think it is a cool especially for indie devs. I would say I am a little skeptic and worried it might be a press move or fallacy. Also the Sony no longer supporting OtherOS comes to mind...only difference people might actually use this for homebrew games.

[iamnsuperman]

@ABizzel1

Spot on. There is too much guessing on how this would work and we need more information on it because it could mean:

1. Every console is able to develop any games (which I do doubt as it would be a nightmare to control piracy and have a ton of crap on the store like the App store).

2. You need a developers account (that costs money) to limit everyone having it (this falls in line with the always on thing they used to have).

3. It could just be Project Spark (it does fit well with them saying that Project Spark is free and can be used to make games).

Too much unknown

[givemeshelter]

Keep hating...

[lgn15]

I just can't handle it when people can't trust Microsoft but then trust Sony. I mean their not a cooperation right? And Sony's sole purpose isn't just to profit, right? Just like Microsoft? Oh wait...

[NegativeCreepWA]

I believe it, it's a great replacement for the XNA program, which put hundreds of indie games the 360.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

How will sony fans top this...or spin this?

[BitbyDeath]

Very brave, let the Kinect hacking commence

[JokesOnYou]

@iamnsuperman, I don't know details but just from reading it, this might help you:

1. YES Every console will be capable of developing games. Standard security features will be in place, then its something you have to sign up for but I'm not sure why this would create alot more piracy since its just a process only to create and submit indie games, not really alot of valuable stuff to steal because YES 99% of it will be a bunch of buggy, boring crap just as you said "like on the store App store"= but hey people were crying about freedom to self publish so here it is wide open. That said Whitten said there is of course going to be a certification process for obvious things like mature content and IP infringement, plus he mentioned "top listings" and "discoverability" so that tells me it will have its own area.

2. "Whitten only shared the basics with us today. He says that it will be a simple process of visiting a website to sign up as a developer to set up your console as a devkit."

-Of course there will be some associated fees indies don't get free dev kits and tools today, self publishing or not, why would they or us get them free now? They have Project Spark for free but this is separate game creation from the ground up, no training wheels. Also what does that have to do with the always on thing they used to have?

3. Whitten said "You'll be able to download the devkit and edit source code on your PC to transfer over to the Xbox One".

-Why announce this if its just Project Spark, they sound similar but I'm sure its a seperate platform because with Spark you are confined to making any game with spark assets, yeah with spark you can make any game but the charachters, the environments, the actions will all have a spark feel to them, that would hardly appease current indie devs who want to self publish and make totally unique looking games that are not based on sparks design.

[Delive]

Great news. Question though. Are there any additional fees?

[showtimefolks]

Pisque

see how you got 55 disagrees for stating a fact, MS can not be trusted till they deliver

go ahead disagree

it was that long ago they had all sort of DRM policies and were targeting casuals now a lot of sudden they care about the core gamers again? They want us the core gamers to buy their system at highest price point but not many casuals will buy a gaming box to connect their cable box into

right now they need us but 3-4 years from now they will forget about us just like they did for xbox360

[tuglu_pati]

@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

"How will sony fans top this...or spin this?"

simple, "MS sucks this wont be available at launch".

wait for it.

[Saigon]

This is great news for all indie devs and wannabe devs. 150$ a year is not that bad to access developer tools on the console. My only question is how will they limit the junk that is created?

Also though this is good news i notice a lot of individuals talking about how either MS or Sony does something good or bad certain individuals respond with their odd remarks. i look at it like this, from a gamer perspective I feel that Nintendo is always judged as childish, when they do something wrong its like its Nintendo; when they do something right its like its Nintendo. If they do something right or wrong its always the same remark. However with Sony and MS its completely different. when MS does something wrong, I see comments like greedy tards, that's what they get, oh M$, don't worry they will fix it, oh its not that bad, you need to look at the bright side of this decision, etc. When MS does something right its all praise regardless the implication. With Sony man when they do something wrong, its like the end of the world along with massive hate from every which end; grant it they do get some spin but not as much as MS. When Sony does something right, to some it looked at as positive to gaming to others, oh...its not that big of a deal. Some say its always mediocre and then massive hate for the positive news.

No Fanboy bs but this is something I see across the internet. From my perspective MS has done nothing but copy, steal, pay, and act like they came up with the idea. They do this all the time and gamers overlook this fact. the biggest example is the Kinect and the PSeye. Sony has had the tech for years and no one cared to even notice it, but as soon as MS applies the same tech its the best thing ever. this is starting to happen with the cloud service they announced. MS has all these claims of what it can do, but yet there are no proofs it can occur and some gamers have already started defending this claim, heavily. The sad part is that most devs for one stopped talking about the addition of the cloud functions and MS also posted something yesterday that did not state anything on the capabilities. But all I saw was MS getting a pass. No one said anything about the cloud service that was suppose to be on N4G to challenge the speculations. Sony doesn't get a pass either but i see most of the hate, flip-flopping, and defense force from the MS camp. Why can't we just get along as gamers and praise the success for each console.

I just hope at GamesCom all companies come prepared and the hate for each system get diminished, which I know will never happen.

[slampunk]

@saigon

Are we on the same site? MS get hate for everything on N4G, even the good things they do.....i agree that MS should've got some stick for some of their initial messaging and policies with XB1....

But on the other hand should MS get some credit for trying to push forward more than Sony? IMO yes...

And as for MS copying sony? Sony have mirrored MS launch philosophy from this gen with the PS4..... developer friendly console, better controller design, headset with every PS4, x game and party chat, paid online service and look at the next OS sony is using.....if you put Xbox content in there i would think it was the XB1 OS.....etc......

Sony i feel have borrowed more from MS than the other way around in the leadup to next gen....is that a problem.....no not at all....

If MS implement something similar to what MS have is that a problem....no IMO

I'm getting both next gen systems so no FB here. Both companies have and will continue to implement similar features.....this only leads to better features on both consoles....

[hazardman]

Man all i gotta say is that its gonna be a cool feature for those who like making games. I cant wait ! Not to make games but to see what other gamers (non professional developer)can come up with. Def. a cool promising feature. I wish MS had come out with all this from the get.

Also waiting on them to tell us that the family share is back.

[JokesOnYou]

Saigon I see what you're saying I really do but I feel more like its the other way around with sony getting more of a free pass than micro and its unquestionable that micro gets hated on more than sony and Nintendo combined x 4. I won't bother to go into long winded examples to keep this short but how do two rational people end up with two different point of views I think because there's two sides to every coin and we(humans) conveniently only see what we want to see with our bias, for example just reading your comment this stood out to me:

"From my perspective MS has done nothing but copy, steal, pay, and act like they came up with the idea. They do this all the time and gamers overlook this fact. the biggest example is the Kinect and the PSeye. Sony has had the tech for years and no one cared to even notice it, but as soon as MS applies the same tech its the best thing ever."

-To be blunt what I see right there is tunnel vision, "copy, steal, pay" come on seriously again I'm not going to bother with the tit for tat for each of those suffice it to say that strikes on the side of fanboyish talk but lets examine your emphasis on Kinect because there's a BIG difference between having (similar) tech and what you actually do with it. Even sony admits they haven't done enough with ps eye/move, and with them publicly saying its suited for the casual market obviously they are not putting much support behind it. Its sort of like the Wright Brothers being well known for the pioneers of flight, NO they are not the first to fly, but they hold this reputation because they are ONE of the early ones who committed to MAKING IT WORK, making it practical, which lead to what the industry is today, don't get crazy on me, I'm not saying Kinect is in anyway close to what they did, my analogy just suggests that, some guy in his garage that drew a picture, made prototypes, tinkered with projects in his backyard, and made headlines but never followed through by making it accessible, commercial, worthwhile for the public, doesn't get to stand on the stage just because he was one of the early ones with an "idea". Sure there were cameras before, and actually Nintendo with the wii was more inspiration/responsible for micro/Kinect because it was only their COMMITTMENT TO MOTION CONTROL AND EARLY SUCCESS that pushed Microsoft and sony to come up with something better. Again, micro committed to Kinect from the start, sony just wanted a comparable product, further micro has made it a part of their entire brand/functionality of the system, and at least trying to establish it as a viable gaming device for ALL gamers, sony now with the ps4 just gives you an optional add on experience(there is nothing wrong with that). I'm not declaring which is better as that is based on preference but even you should be able to understand why they are looking at both devices differently.

[hazardman]

@ Abizzle and iamsuperman

Are you guys MS supporters or trolling? I mean you guys act like MS cant pull it off. I remember them having the XNA program for indie devs. So im pretty sure they can get this going.

[gaffyh]

This announcement reminds me of the following line in Enemy of the State:

"You're either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid."

It should mean more games, and technically everyone could be a developer. However, this IS going to be hacked, and potentially could be hacked without the need for any third party hardware. A custom firmware flash could unlock an Xbone into a console that allows you to play debug code, which essentially would mean you can play copied games.

Hackers are going to be really happy with this feature, it will make their lives sooo much easier.

With that said, who says competition isn't a good thing? Microsoft is feeling pressured and it's working out better and better for the gamers.

[miyamoto]

LOL!
Whoa! Look at em go!
They actually believe this flip flopping and copying?

Another reversal from Xposed 180

When will M$ ever make its OWN mind?

Makes me wonder who are they ripping off Sony PS4's right off the bat Independent developer self publishing initiative or Nintendo Wii U SDK given away for free?

LOL!
What a joke this is turning out to be.
No amount of damage control can undo your dick move.

Catch up if you can M$.

PS:
Oh well let them just get as many Xposed 180 cable box they rightfully deserve. I am stopping no one.

Let them have fun developing AAAA games for their Skynect box.
They deserve it.

[NegativeCreepWA]

miyamoto, Ms has been saying for months that they'll release their plans for indie games later on, do you think the idea to making every console a dev unit just appeared in the last month?

This is obviously something that's been in the works long before they announced XNA wouldn't be coming back next gen.

[badz149]

@tuglu

it's true that this feature will not be available at launch!

[nukeitall]

This really shows how mis-informed the journalists are and how far back the industry really is.

MS has been doing this since XNA- For $100 anyone and their mother could developer a game on Xbox 360 and self-publish it.

This is just an extension of that. Journalists now write a blog telling the world that so the industry can be updated.

[moparful99]

@Jokes
"indies don't get free dev kits and tools today, self publishing or not, why would they or us get them free now?"

False. Sony actually lends out dev kits to indie developers at no cost for a year.. So most indies can take their time developing on the pc, borrow a dev kit from Sony, and publish said game right on PSN.. Sony even offers free help, they run promotions and advertising for indie games as well..
http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[awi5951]

@Septic

No its not atari and Ouya consoles did it first you can use the consoles to develop your own games.

[nveenio]

This is a great feature, and might just entice me to pick up a One after all. The only fear I have is that opening up the console as a dev kit to everyone might just enable piracy since always on is no longer an issue.

[DonFreezer]

If I hear again about the 2005-2009 era I'm going to explode.This site has been the epitome of pro-Sony from the moderators to the masses who comment on here and cry to their lives.Name one source that says that every ps4 can be used as devkit or shut your freaking mouth delusional ps fanboys.

[indysurfn]

See! The masses DO forget in 6 months. Remember the PS2? Yeah it announced the same thing. Remember the xbox(original), yep. Remember the xbox360 development kits for starters? The devil is in the detail. How much will it cost? No really, it may be free to make the game(as if that is special). How much to get it to market place, and tested by Microsoft, or a approved testing company? What you going to do when they ask you how many people tested your game. Have you tested it on a server. And a million quality questions that require multiple independent individuals? What security measures you have in place? Do you have a Kinect version of the game. Who reviewed your game for sexual content, sensitive issues. Do you think all those Indie devs that complained about hoops, and red-tape where just kidding? You think they are going to treat you better than several Indie developers making a game? If so why would you do business with a company like that?

This is just a PR stunk because they know the masses forget, which is why they brought up the CLOUD as if it was a new gen concept.

[kupomogli]

@Septic

Hats off to Microsoft for doing something they should have done in the beginning?

Let's praise a company that tries to take away our ownership rights, which forces indie devs to have a publisher, etc. But hey. After all the backlash, let's praise them and say they're better than the competitors because they've changed all this stuff.

They shouldn't have taken as long as they did to announce all these changes. There was constant backlash towards the company and the first 180 took over a month.

Xbox 180 is right though. With all the reversing of their policies they've been doing, the name fits perfect with the console.

[jimbobwahey]

It's funny seeing how many people are being blinded by Microsoft's PR machine, and now think that they'll be able to download a free update for their Xbox One to turn it into a dev kit and start making games.

Here's a hint: that's not going to happen. For a start, you'll need your own tools to develop games on a PC (that's running Windows 8). All Microsoft are doing is releasing a small update enabling developers to test their software on a retail Xbox One console (once you sign up and pay a yearly fee for the privilege).

Anybody who seriously buys an Xbox One at launch thinking they can use it to make games is a fool, and you're buying into Microsoft's PR machine which is never a wise thing to do.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing. This means Kinect, the cloud, achievements. This means great discoverability on Xbox LIVE. We'll have more details on the program and the timeline at gamescom in August."

Now that's whassup MS.

[Gazondaily]

Respect to MS in doing this. This is such a big announcement. Self-publishing is a bit of a double-edged sword in terms of the quality of apps/games we'll see but I think its the right step forward.

But every X1 as a devkit....that is just megaton.

[rainslacker]

This has piqued my interest in the system from not really liking MS at all to at least ready to hear what they have planned. Doing game contract work for indie stuff, I love to play around with these kinds of things, and if they allow full(or at least a subset) of the dev kit software for it then I'd be hard pressed to not get the console sooner rather than later. Even if it is a subset of the devkit, all but the most talented individuals would be hard pressed to use all the X1 hardware to it's fullest on their own, so it's probably a wash.

I still don't care for MS much right now, and don't trust them much, but this is a pretty good move on their part. Hopefully it's not some stunted lame implementation. This is one thing I hope that competition forces Sony(or even Nintendo) to implement their own version as well. PSMobile is cool for Vita, but pretty restrictive on the use of hardware, some more dev kit like would be very warmly welcomed in my house from any of the big 3.:)

[unicron7]

Thing is, they keep changing their "vision" every five minutes. Wonder what their vision will be a couple months from now? I guess we'll have to watch what Sony does and MS's responses.

[Gildarts]

man they should have one-upped sony with this at E3!

Every X1 can be converted into a dev-kit AND Selfpublishing?

HOLY CRAP!

Looks like X1 will be a paradise for indie devs. I mean come-on, a $500 dev-kit? that is so sick. And it comes with Kinect, I can already imagine the awesome stuff some of the indie devs can come up with for Kinect.

As an aspiring Game-developer this is very exciting for me.

[Neoninja]

I agree with you. I hope people take advantage of this.

[Godmars290]

"man they should have one-upped sony with this at E3!"

They would have needed a plan at E3 to do that.

Obviously its what Project Sparks is there for though.

Edit:
Do have to wonder if this will turn into MS's "Other OS". Something which will only become a backdoor for piracy.

[bicfitness]

They never said it was a "dev-unit" they said it "can be used for development". PR speak needs to be combed through for understanding. I've heard that these are debug units, meaning you still need a PC and development environment, but that you can test on the X1. Probably need Windows 8 too, I would imagine, so that you have committed to their ecosystem.

Great initiative, but let's wait for all the details.

EDIT: NOT available at launch. Aiming for a "1st year window".

[Bigpappy]

This is a new development, not something M$ had intended from the start. The software to enable development will not be free, but it will still encourage more people to just download the software rather than having to go through the process of trying to acquire a full kit.
If you stand to make money, this along with self publishing is very, very attractive to upstarts.

Edit: I am sure M$ will have an anti-piracy plan in place. The fact that they even confirmed this means that has already been considered.

[sourav93]

This is all good and dandy. But making every Xbox One a devkit...hmm, I don't know. Feel like it opens a big door for piracy. Lets hope they'll have ways to stop this from happening.

[rainslacker]

It's a cool initiative, and I give them props, and will give them more if it's a robust package. However don't expect full dev-kit compliance. Dev kits have extra hardware to allow for things that the regular system can't do, mostly debugging, which will likely still have to be done through a PC interface of some sort. It is extremely unlikely that you will be getting the full dev-kit tools and full developer access to the hardware and tools used for making games on the system. However, for an individual, or even a small group of individuals, the need to get that close to hardware isn't as important, since very few individuals could utilize it to good effect.

I'm imagining something like PSMobile, or XNA, but hopefully more than just a runtime environment. I'm certainly ready to hear more though, and may mean I get an X1 a lot sooner than I had planned.

[Machiavellian]

I am guessing that MS want to trickle info going up to release which is much better than spilling your load to early. With positive talk going to release, it will make people think about getting the X1 at the time you want them to which is when the console release.

[moparful99]

Its all well and good they are doing this but it costs more then just paying for the system.. There is publishing fees associated with it and they wont advertise on your behalf..
Sony has allowed self publishing on the PS3 for 5 years now and according to this article...
http://www.polygon.com/2013...
They even lend out dev kits at no cost for a year. Whats more they offer support, advertising, and even run promotions just for indie games.. Sony is killing it on the indie front and Microsoft is kind of playing catch up.. But at least they are making an effort..

[jimbobwahey]

bicfitness is correct, it's just debug functionality. Tragic to see so many people in this comment section thinking Xbox One's will turn into development kits that they can make games with. Still, kudos to Microsoft PR, they know how to spin things and con people like the best of 'em. Bravo.

[Anon1974]

This is great news for developers! No question about it.

[GameCents]

That's it? No backhanded criticism disguised as a compliment? Who are you and what did you do to my friend Darkride?

[Kanzes]

If Indie devs can access the Kinect and clouds too, it would be awesome! There will be a lot of Kinect apps... for me, I'm waiting Surgeon Simulator released for Kinect soon

[Anon1974]

Give credit where credit is due. :) There's always going to be room for improvement, but this is a huge step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

[PSVita]

This is great news but its suspicious that they wouldn't have mentioned this at the announcement or at E3.

[whoyouwit04]

nothing suspicious at all they were obviously saving this for Gamescon or TGS.

[PSVita]

^I disagree. Trust me there's something fishy about this that they aren't telling us yet. It's going to COST I'm calling it.

[ExCest]

@PSVita

Of course it's going to cost money. Probably a licensing fee as you're going to need root access and full hardware/software access to be able to make a game with your x1 as the station.

Still, this is pretty cool and even after the possible fee(s), it'll most likely still cost less and be easier than getting a devkit from MS.

[PSVita]

@excest- I agree with you. There needs to be more info. Nonetheless great move from MS.

[bicfitness]

I'm pretty sure you can use them as "debug" units - to test PC code. Not DEVELOPMENT units. At least that's what the fine print over at Neogaf reads. Still pretty cool initiative. How much of the Hypervisor access and GPU resources you get access to are another matter entirely. I expect this will be a PSM style (or WIN RT) environment.

[MicDude]

Isn't debugging part of the development process? But I understand what you are trying to say. I guess we will have to wait for more news.

[hazardman]

I commend you for trying man! Go ahead with that nonsense!!!

[PSVita]

I can't developer a level in LBP lol so doesn't mean much to me honestly BUT if you could make apps that'd be revolutionary. Especially with kinect.

[theWB27]

So I'm not the only one. I tried for hours and hours to create a level and nothing. It was infuriating to see a level in my head and not translate to onscreen. -_-

[StoneyYoshi]

You guys really think they are just going to give this to us?? You guys know how much a devkit can cost?? I don't know how much the XB1 or PS4 are but the OUYA costs 800 bucks. Imagine how much M$ is going to charge...

And it says devkit FUNCTIONALITY. Meaning it will work with the devkit that you pay out the arse for.

[PSVita]

Well it's for indie games but there might be a charge to use it too.

[StoneyYoshi]

No you still have to pay for the devkit if you are a indie developer. its the self publishing that you are talking about.

[FamilyGuy]

This is huge news, I wonder how they'll limit the shovelware though. Pretty crazy announcement.

Finally some note worthy positive news coming about the X1. Ugh, my friends that are 360/X1 fans are gonna so rub my face in it about this though -_- lol

[greenlantern2814]

I am not going to say anything until more of the information is available, but i do have to question the fact that xbox1 much like ps4 dev kits coast developers thousands of dollars. So wouldn't this be kind of a slap in the face to the devs who already paid them.

[die_fiend]

Except if you're an indie

[2v1]

But not at launch. Microsoft's Marc Whitten just told us that devkit functionality will be added at a later date."

[SilentNegotiator]

How did Xbox One go from indie-repellent to indie no-brainer without even launching?

[moparful99]

Ehh I wouldn't say that.. The indie environment is still better with Sony.. I can link you to proof if you want..

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[MazzingerZ]

like the guy in Heavenly Sword would say...I smell something fishyyyyy haha

Release the update first so this becomes fact...lots of magic stuff that updates will do all of the sudden

[DiRtY]

Even N4G can't spin this into something negative. Even though some are already trying...

[Veneno]

This sounds great, but too good to be true. You would obviously need a pc to do this. And if this is what we all hope it to be, then why wasn't it shown at E3?

This is a huge advantage over PS4. In all the xbone negativity, why hold back a feature that you could wave over the face of Sony?

If you ask me , this is just another mess up and a golden opportunity missed by Microsoft to propel the xbox One. This may be their one ticket out of the dumpster and they are letting it drown in all of their negativity.

[Cuzzo63]

Ashame how all you guys get excited about something most of you all wont use. To the devs yea I can see it as a good thing. But all the hoopla over something the average gamer wont use? I dont know, of its gonna sell more Xb1 globally then okay... Lol. Oh. Awsome news lol. Anything they say and the crowd goes wild. Smh. Come on man. Its Microsoft! I woulda just been happy with playing TitanFall on my sister Xb1. Dont rhink the average gamer would be excited about this... But the average fanboy... Look at all the comments. Before a sony fanboy came in the xbox fannies were already in defense mode.

Anyway. I say its a good thing. All the bs they brung to the table is being corrected. Good for the true fans and Devs

[Cuzzo63]

Instead of the stealth disagrees, tell me where im wrong... And they say N4G is full of Sony Fanboys. Fooled me lol

[avengers1978]

MS saying there going to do something is different from MS actually doing something.
I'd wait till they actually roll it out and make it available, before getting to excited. But if true it could be a cool feature and actually might turn a normal gamer into a well known indie dev.

[N4g_null]

This is big. I really was going to hold off on getting one but we dont have our own dev kit so I might just get one just to test the waters and not have to sign all that damn paperwork.

working on the xbox without the ms over lords is priceless!

[Pain]

Id see how this was "Big News" if MS would has announced it from the start but they didn't .. so its just a 180 feature patch job added last minute to be more so like Sony.

2c

[LogicStomper]

2/10, futile attempt spinning into a negative.

The title of the article is:

"Microsoft: Every Xbox One Can Be Used To Develop Games"

and not

"Microsoft: Is Releasing Good News After Big Events a Good Thing?"

[Pain]

no attempt at anything its a no brainer its a change in policy to compete..

spin spin spin fall over and puke...

[DeadlyFire]

Only on the Cloud....

[3-4-5]

Great idea..... on paper.

Let's see how it plays out. This could be huge for indie games on XB1.

[MechaGear]

Well, if you're a good coder, then why aren't you working on a game right now? There are plenty of opportunities as we type here. And if you're not, do you really believe you can create a game with an xbox one controller??

[MariaHelFutura]

This is great news for those buying the Xbox One.

[darthv72]

shouldnt you be following up that comment with your usual PS4 remark?

It seems incomplete without that caption.

[NegativeCreepWA]

Wow, I can't believe I just read that! What, no negative spin?

[MariaHelFutura]

I generally don't dislike gamers or developers, I dislike Microsoft.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Maria with a positive X1 comment?!!! I'm must be dreaming!!!! LoL!! No offense, Maria!

[JokesOnYou]

Wow, no sarcasm? Maria is that you?
OK credit where credit is due, nice comment.

btw, Thank sony because its the competition that pushed microsoft to do this.

[GameCents]

First Darkride and now you too?
Am I being punk'd? Or did I wake up in the twilight zone?

[Kanzes]

This is the alternate universe

"There's always Maria, N4G, and PlayStation."

[cl1983]

So 500.00 for a dev kit isn't such a bad price.

[Muerte2494]

I guess even Microsoft like the direction Sony is taking with the Indie community. But You know Microsoft's method going to have to seriously try to combat hacking and piracy.

Edit: "After the purchase of a $150 Xbox One development kit, automatically set to renew annually."

Let's hope everyone will be able to get their game up and running within the first 2-3 years.

[Gildarts]

It looks like you have to go through some kind of process first. Probably to prevent piracy.

If we had the 24hour check, that wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

Yes I am one of those who supported Microsoft's first vision of the X1.

[n4rc]

Me too.. This is still awesome news tho..

Less and less for the haters every day

[N4g_null]

No worries half my tools are on the cloud yay! Hope sony follows suit but who doesnt have a ps4 dev kit these days?

First dev and publisher to get mod support wins.... no game hardwareetc can compete against a good mod ccommunity!

[Minato-Namikaze]

Its good if its implemented correctly. But if this is truely the case why would devs need actual 5k devs kits (or how ever much they cost) definitely need to read the fine print. But it sounds really cool in theory.

[gamertk421]

Probably for those wanting their hands on a devkit prior to launch.

[rainslacker]

If I had to guess it'll be some sort of development environment similar to XNA or PSMobile. Both are runtime environments, and don't allow the same level of access to the actual hardware that an actual development unit would provide, although at a much higher price.

It's not a bad thing i describe. But it is obvious that many people don't understand the difference in application. What I describe is still a pretty big positive. If by chance they give you full, or mostly full dev kit functionality though, I will be floored and give them huge praise for what they are doing. For now I'll just wait and see what they have to offer, and say "good move MS".

[mark134uk]

your forgetting the $300 dev liciance once a year

you dont think ms will let you do something for free do you?

dont forget to opt in to give feedback to nsa,i meen ms via kinect ;)

[ape007]

hmmmmm Mod support?

[cl1983]

Interesting Idea.

[FanboyCrusher]

Wouldn't that be fantastic for games like Fallout? If Microsoft pulled that off that would be one big feather on their cap.

[ape007]

yeah, also 3 lovely words that go so well with modding

Grand Theft Auto

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Ape I Think your on to something. http://www.dualshockers.com...

[Electric-flamingo]

Yeah awesome idea

[Cherchez La Ghost]

If they give mod support for games like PC's?!! Its over!! That's the one thing I wish either Sony or MS would do.

[iconic56]

This is really interesting... but sadly the first thought that came to my mind is whether or not this makes it easier for people to "hack" the console?

[iamnsuperman]

Which makes me think you have to sign into a developers account of sorts for it to work (that will cost money to do that). There is no way Microsoft would open the floodgates without safeguards in place

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

It depends on how it's done... For instance, if this means anything to do with Project Spark, basically a create you own game "game" (actually it would need to be a capable enough development tool, more in the lines of Mugen or RPGMaker than Little Big Planet, Minecraft or Mod Nation Racers, but not really development stuff as you won't get to mess with the engine assets and what not) I assume the risk is pretty low. If it is full development kits like pro devs have, than it may be a problem.

I'm leaning to believe this is more about a Project Spark kind of initiatives than full dev kit on every Xbox One, exactly because of how vulnerable to hacking and piracy it would make the system. But to which extent this would actually be self publishing or just PR talk heavily depends on the possibility of making money through the system (i.e. can indies sell their games like that?).

Anyway, as it's said in the article, that's their vision but they'll only be announcing more on Gamescom, so we have no option but to wait and see what exactly they mean for self publishing and dev kit in every unit.

[Fireseed]

Wow. I'll definitely be publishing my next game on the X1 now.

[kenmid]

Why in the world anybody disagree on what he said.

[TheSuperior]

I honestly have no clue... apperently they all know what hes going to do? lol

[slampunk]

It's N4G!

[TENTONGUN]

check this out. the sky's blue and fire is fkn hot!!!

[Lionalliance]

Now everyone hyped for XB1 now :U..

[matrixman92]

1 cool thing out of the pile of crap they have thrown at us hardly makes people "hyped" for it.

[Electric-flamingo]

Lol your retarded

[matrixman92]

@Electric-flamingo...summed up the maturity and intelligence of the people that are going to buy an xbox one in 3 words...good job!

[ape007]

they are throwing at me titan fall and halo, gears of war, forza 5, ryse, the intriguing kinect 2.0, dedicated servers, cloud support and perhaps the best controller ever

throw more ms throw

[Tctczach]

Oh please tell us how playing a pc or a ps3 makes you more mature than people who pay Xbox.

[slampunk]

@matrixman92

And your comment was just oozing with "intelligence and maturity"

LMFAO!

[Convas]

Ahh yes, because trolling a product you don't care for speaks to your maturity and intelligence right?

[CrimsonStar]

lol just 1 lol your Sony fanboism hate has finally deluded u completely .

[N4g_null]

Stop thinking ms is evil. The gov was going to spy on you regardless and if sonys paid online is an indication we will get similar "features" on that console too.

well they may be out of touch slave drivers eating off others talent if they have the games tools os or tech I want I will buy it regardless of my tech religion. Im old enough to remember sonys missteps also and how they pushed for drm in everything software and hardware, even vhs formats and cassette tapes while over charging you for all of it. I playednmy part in the dieing ps2 legacy lol. I was 4 ps2s strong in that I even rebought games that got scratch by ps2s. Till they no longer made the games I liked. Now I have my god of war and vanquish and all is forgiven. My pitchfork is collecting dust these days. I simply buy what I want. If ms wants to spy on me well good luck, there is some thing called a power cord and even remote outlets and haha I get your games and you cant see me! Lol.

Basicly if you have a cell phone with a front facing cam an gps you are going down accidental terrorist scum! So really let the xbox fans do there thing. They are the one who will have to deal with future weapon equipped drones.

I mean is there a ps4 fangasim on the front page or some thing?

[LogicStomper]

Not necessarily. Everyone is hyped by the news of what the Xbox One can do. There's a slight difference between being hyped for a console and having a really good attitude towards news.

Although it does seem like everyone's hyped for the Xbox now :)

[hankmoody]

I think a lot of people are going to be eating their words come November.

[PFFT]

I think most of them are already.

[XboxFun]

Damn, MS just killed it with this announcement. This is a great idea and will save MS money and devs time. Instead of devs having to wait for MS to send them a separate dev kit they can just get an X1 and have everything they need right there.

I guess the only gripe the other camp will have is the *snicker* "mandatory Kinect".

I also wonder if we'll hear anymore bile and venom from Jonathan Blow(hard)?

[HammadTheBeast]

Actually, isn't that why the Diablo devs haven't started on it for Xbox One?

They said MS hadn't sent them any dev kits.

[XboxFun]

Oh yea, probably...OOOPS!

But this will be good for future devs and indie developers.

@Lovable
The plan cost MS millions? Really, seems to me that it was a very reversible plan.

And they listened to their fanbase and agreed. yes tells me a lot about the company. LOL

[Lovable]

"I guess the only gripe the other camp will have is the *snicker* "mandatory Kinect."

Or their full proof plan formulated for years costing millions that went to garbage within a few weeks. LOL

Says a lot about the company.

@Xboxfun

Developing a console from ground up costs millions buddy. That includes payroll for those execs just so you know.

They didn't listened to the fanbase. They saw the pre order and they know they won't sell their product, so change of plan.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Ummm...this is the funny thing. Those who preorder a console on release are pretty much your fanbase. So if preorders are low, its your fanbase not backing your console. Preorder numbers are the loudest form of fan feedback... and the best way a fanbase can speak to a company is by voting with your wallet. MS did hear and see their fanbases reaction and once it set in that's really the true feeling of a majority of the fanbase ....they reacted.

[Lovable]

Again, they didn't listened to their fanbase. They listened to your money. Come on dude you don't have to be smart to know the basic 101 of every company.

@Melman

Quote from Blacktar

"They didn't listen to their Fans voices they listened directly to the fans wallets. I don't care how you want to paint those in your head they are a different thing."

I don't know how you anyone can explain it better.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@ lovable and blacktar

This IS listening to your customers, we as consumers, speak with our wallets and the people have spoken as far as MS is concerned.

On another note, nothing that these companies do is for the customer it is ALL FOR THE MIGHTY DOLLER!

Trust me, if Sony thought that it would be more profitable to make their console digital only they would. I.E. you now have to pay for ps+ in order to play online, if you buy a ps4.

They knew what gamers wanted and that acted accordingly!

[Bigpappy]

Most fans DO NOT pre-order. In fact, a very small minority of gamers do. Most sales this year will be from moms doing holiday shopping. Pre-orders are a great indicator of intent, but do not predict actual sales. Not even close.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@lovable
Please show me a REAL WORLD example of a company changing its policies, strictly based on the consumers voice. This is almost unheard of in the consumer electronics business.

It takes the conjunction of the peoples voice and wallets (mainly wallets) for things to change. Your voice TELLS the company how you feel and your wallet SHOWS them how you feel.

They will not believe what you are saying unless you show them (with you wallet).

They will not know why the product is not selling unless you tell them.

One will not work without the other.

What Microsoft has done, is considered listening to your market/fanbase. There is no other realistic way to get it done in this market.

[BlackTar187]

yes it tells you they only care about money.

if for one second you think xbox did the 180 for the consumer themselves and not tfor the lack of sales then slap yourself and wake up.

[n4rc]

You kids are a trip.. You have zero understanding of how the real world operates..

you think any company does anything that wont lead to more profits? Your good will and love doesn't pay Sony employees mortgages. Your money does.

Wake up.. Or grow up.. One or the other

[BlackTar187]

n4RC,

No one is saying companies do stuff to not profit. Not sure where you got that from. The point is

"And they listened to their fanbase and agreed. yes tells me a lot about the company. LOL"

They didn't listen to their Fans voices they listened directly to the fans wallets. I don't care how you want to paint those in your head they are a different thing. One was let just use the example of Sony they didn't wait till they saw profit dipping to set this as standard for their system they listened before. Where as MS made statements saying it will not change the system. The system needs this for it to operate etc. etc. etc. they have plenty of sound bites and snipits out there i don't need to do the google search for you. BUT THEN WHEN ALL THE PRE-ORDER #'s were coming and they were being Laughed out of the industry in the form of dollars did the reversal come about.

Huge difference . If you don't think one exists (the difference that is) then you refuse to see it and purposely refuse to accept that the truth is staring you in the face.

Im not even going to go into the family share plan that was so shrouded in secrecy in regards to how it worked that no one knew. They gave a 2 page summary that left as many questions going in as coming out. They purposely were very vague on Multiple policies they were holding close to the chest. You have to ask why if they were as pro consumer as the xbox only fans lead people to believe. They would be black and white and laid out as a positive not a speculative positive

PLEASE RESPOND

calling anyone kids is very immature thing to do btw.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@blacktar

I will respond and I am going to tell you like I told LOVABLE

"Show me a REAL WORLD example of a company changing its policies, strictly based on the consumers voice. This is almost unheard of.
It takes the conjunction of the peoples voice and wallets (mainly wallets) for things to change. Your voice TELLS the company how you feel and your wallet SHOWS them how you feel.
They will not believe what you are saying unless you show them (with you wallet).They will not know why the product is not selling unless you tell them.One will not work without the other.
What Microsoft has done, is considered listening to your market/fanbase. There is no other realistic way to get it done in this market."

Playstation fans do not want to pay for ps+ but does it mean that Sony is going to change that if your wallet says otherwise? NO! People would have to SHOW them with their words and wallets in order for that to change.

By your logic, Sony isn't listening to their fanbase right now.

[LogicStomper]

Okay, I don't give a darn about any of the other stuff you wrote. I am only going to comment on your words which were:

"yes it tells you they only care about money.

if for one second you think xbox did the 180 for the consumer themselves and not tfor the lack of sales then slap yourself and wake up. "

So what you are saying, is that the ONLY care about MONEY.

I will simplify this to THE MOST BASIC level so you can understand this.

1) Microsoft announces 'always online'.

2) People did not like it, voiced their opinions and did not pre-order.

3) Realising the majority did not like it and that sales did not respond well, Microsoft removed 'always online'.

So because the people DID NOT LIKE having to always be online, they REACTED to give what people want. Now tell me, what comes first? The action or the reaction?

Here's the action:

People voiced their opinions against 'always online'.

Here's the reaction:

They did not buy.

So if you've taken even THE MOST BASIC level of physics, you would know you cannot get a reaction without an action. So because Microsoft saw this was unfavoured, they changed.

****Every salesperson will know that in order to sell your product, it MUST be appealing. So you have to WIN YOU CONSUMERS over FIRST. Them buying your product is a REACTION to them liking it.****

So let's look back at what you said.

"yes it tells you they only care about money."

Now think about it. Is that quote, from YOUR OWN way of thinking correct?

tl;dr: Atleast read the **** part. It will be most useful for you to know.

[imt558]

Well, great idea, but not so great :

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

This is not it!

[Axonometri]

So it can run 3DS and maya. Photoshop? Can I run unreal editor or unity?
You can make games on Disney infinity too!

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Will my dream of an 80's Gi Joe FPS or a hardcore Mobile Suit Gundam (Universal Century) be realized?

[WeAreLegion]

I certainly hope so.

[cl1983]

Probably not under those name.

[Elit3Nick]

not unless you want to lose money really, really fast

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Let's all jump to wild conclusions without reading!

[Mr_Nuts]

What do you expect, people see something posstive about the Xbox One, forget it's MS, see the catch and then are disappointed.

It won't be available at launch and if they are smart during that time Sony will counter it someway. Besides I think people are letting their expectations for this get out of hand, reading the comments here...it's not going to be what people expect.

[frostyhat123]

Or in your case Mr. Nuts, attack everything MS does on all articles.

[Mr_Nuts]

@frostyhat123

Don't start trolling, I'm sick of fanboys like you trying to make other people out to be fanboys.

If you want to pledge your alliance to one side fine but don't drag other people into it and try to out them like they are on the "other" side because they are being cautious towards a company who haven't been good to core gamers in years...and in your eyes people being cautious is people being negative towards them, a company you love...and you don't like that...do you?

[Gazondaily]

Mr Nuts, its obvious to anyone who has ever read your comments that you are 'on the other side'. All this talk about "being cautious towards a company who haven't been good to core gamers in years..." is just a red herring you use to desperately try and maintain the illusion of objectivity.

"What do you expect, people see something posstive about the Xbox One, forget it's MS, see the catch and then are disappointed. "

Seriously, what are you on about? Regardless of who this is, self-publishing and X1 consoles as devkits are an amazing thing. But then of course, I'm sure you recognise that but won't admit it. And that's why you say:

"It won't be available at launch and if they are smart during that time Sony will counter it someway."

This just shows your insecurity. I'm sorry but you ARE on the other side. I do not, for one moment, believe that you are remotely "cautious" because of the past pedigree of MS. Your comment history and your posts on this very topic are proof of this.

[Mr_Nuts]

Septic I'm not even going to bother with you since you exactly the same. Your an Xbox fanboy trying to make people like me who have common sense look like a fanboy theselfs.

I've seen your comments and you are much worse since your also ignorant and get all insecure when your being proved wrong with all the BS that you come out with.

So just don't...want to know a real Sony fanboy look at MariaHel for example or XboxFun or Ape007. Don't make out that you know me when you don't. Septic thinking he's "all knowing" like always

"This just shows your insecurity. I'm sorry but you ARE on the other side."

So me saying that they could counter it like what a company would do if their rivals were doing something is me being a fanboy and being insecure....wow how low can you go with your comments lol. I did Business develpment in 6th form it was like one of the first things we learnt during corporation rivalry topic

Marked down for trolling...or should I go with off topic. Decisions decisions

[fredy]

"Don't start trolling, I'm sick of fanboys like you trying to make other people out to be fanboys. "

That guy calling others fanboys

obsurd

[frostyhat123]

Dude, I read pretty much read all the comments on here. I know all of the big fanboys on each side. Don't pretend like you're not one of them.

[4logpc]

Mr_Nuts is becoming the king troll of Microsoft.

If Microsoft announced they were giving away Xbox One he would still somehow spin into they are going to kill you in your sleep.

[GameCents]

Your salty tears, they taste so sweet. hehehehe

[CrimsonStar]

lol stop calling people fanboys lol , we all know u hate MS and worship Sony .

[maniacmayhem]

So Mr Nuts this isn't good news? Wild conclusions? It is stated as plain as day on every site.

You walk into every MS site with some kind of negativity. Oh look MS reversed their Indie policy,

"BOOOO, MS has a catch!",

oh look MS is saying every console will be a dev kit

"BOOOO, it won't be available at launch"

Oh look KI is getting positive feedback and looking great,

"BOOOO, DH is doing the game"

And so on and so forth. You keep saying you are sick of fanboys and you have common sense but your eyes are wide shut. You bring nothing to the table except complete distaste for anything MS related. And as you can see from the many comments people are wise to your antics.

[A_Gamer]

People who develop games are going to love this.

[Fireseed]

Only question I have now is if Dev Kits and retail units are the same... how can my studio apply to get one early? lol

[A_Gamer]

That's a very good question :)

[Gildarts]

Dev kits units are not the same as retail units. Dev kits have 12GB of RAM I heard.

[Fireseed]

Alright so if Gildarts is right then I gather that their not expecting home devs to be developing the next AAA blockbuster but smaller stuff.

[Crazay]

The at home development team may not be making the next Watchdogs...but with the right recipe and enough hits, they could be in the future which is really what this is all about. Growing the industry, allowing average joes/weekend code monkey's a chance to maybe show something off on a wider scale than they ever would have been able to do.

Further, I think that MS sees the value for small indie/home devs based on what they've done with cell phones. Give some of those people more powerful tools and we could be looking at a renaissance in game development and just maybe some risky innovations that the big guys would never touch dude to the risk involved.

This is all good news for those people and probably us gamers as a whole.

I just hope there's some form of feedback/control system to keep the garbage out or at least to a minimum.

[brianunfried]

That means it will be easier to hack and pirate games, maybe I'll get one now.

[Gildarts]

Nope. They're not going to let just anyone convert to a dev kit. There will be a process first. You probably have to have a developer account.

[Minato-Namikaze]

But wouldnt this mean every XB1 already has the ability to do the dev stuff already on the system. Pretty sure hackers can get around the dev account issue.

[ziggurcat]

this is the thing about hackers - they're a crafty bunch, and will likely find a way.

[JokesOnYou]

Yeah heres the thing though, this sounds like an expansion upon XNA on xbox and windows for indie games, which never lead to widespread piracy and sure ANYTHING can be exploited but you just have to put reasonable security in place and then follow your vision, if not you'll always be held back by "what if". For the most part this will be used correctly and the potential for some awesome games from every day folks exists, downside is there is going to be a ton of garbage, and of course some lowlifes who want to pirate but you win some, you lose some.

[majiebeast]

Hackers are gonna have a field day with this.

[GameCents]

Your best negative spin?
3/10

[Mikelarry]

now there is hope for a kinect-less xbox and and a price drop of a 100 dollars. it is going to happen its a matter of time

[M-M]

They said themselves that they refuse to remove Kinect.

[Mikelarry]

yeah they said alot of things. i remember not too long ago they said the below

24hr check in
DRM
No self publish

don infamous words " if you are in a nuclear sub and have no internet connection we have a product for you its called the 360"

the list goes on.

and here we are now

[JokesOnYou]

....and so tell me Mikelarry, with Microsoft no doubt receiving positive press for this self publishing news, and with them already screaming from the rooftops about high preorders, while no longer having to defend 24hr check in/DRM, what incentive actually is there for them to remove Kinect? Seems they are doing great with it.

[ceedubya9]

At this point, I believe that the best thing to hope for if you aren't a fan of Kinect is that they will make it so that Kinect won't be required for the console to function. I don't see them not including in the box, but not making it a mandatory use is more likely.

[thebudgetgamer]

That's pretty bad ass.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

That is a feature that actually peaked my interest finally.

A feature that has to deal with games it's about darn time

[golding89]

Hmm. that's pretty impressive.

[apollo06]

This will be MASSIVE if it turns out to be true.... Fingers crossed.

[Elit3Nick]

this is true...

[majiebeast]

I havent seen so much backpeddeling in ages. Their new slogan should be, we are just like the PS4 just more expensive and less powerful.

[TheKayle1]

1) where u heard about self-publishing on the ps4? lol

2) in what game u seen this power advantage

3) buy a ps4 + cam and tell me the end price

[majiebeast]

Infamous:SS>any Xbone game its open world and looks miles better then Deadrising 3 10fps edition.

Ps4+cam is 450$

Sony announced self publising way back at GDC have you been living in a cave Hotline miami lufthauser on ps3,Vita are both self published titles.

[Transporter47]

-.-

How do you think Indie developers do it for the PS4.... they only have "Self Publishing"

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

Sony announced self publishing for the ps4 like months ago

[ABeastNamedTariq]

1.) At Sony's E3 press conference they showcased multiple independent developers' games, and talked about the ease of self-publishing for indies. They made that pretty well known.

2.) I have no idea what you're saying on this one, be a little more eloquent please.

3.) It's about $488.

EDIT: Oh, I get what you're saying for the second one, and I agree with one of the above posters; Infamous: SS has CG-like graphics, that's where the power advantage is made apparent, in my opinion. (Still, both consoles are going to have some very pretty graphics.) And for #3 I used the tax rate in my state.

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

Here's your proof of self publishing on ps4 this recent article but this was all talked about at e3 http://www.destructoid.com/...

[ziggurcat]

1. sony has gone on record several times showing their support of indie devs, which includes self-publishing.

2. killzone

3. $459.00

now get back under your bridge before you get sun burnt.

[TheKayle1]

majiebeast i really dont know what u understand about graphics..but
r u crazy or what? lol..infamous is nothing of special could be good as open world game..
i know that infamous is one of the greatest ps exclusives right? and it look like ........(with kz,gt,uncharted and god of war)

BUT talking about open world games..Msg5 graphics (and is a multiplats) already destroyed that infamous ss (exclusive...).

i mean...

MSG5

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/en...

http://i.imgur.com/8As5Jjh....

http://media.officialplayst...

iNfamous SS

http://images.gamersyde.com...

(lol)

http://www.everyeye.it/publ...

http://www.ps4site.com/wp-c...

as i said ...ps4 graphics r nothing of special (not saying the console dosnt have the power) especially with cerny that go house by house explain what gddr5 mean...

they need to show this difference they r talkign about coz right now ..quantum break and ryse r showing more

coz knack isnt next gen at all (ok some particles effect but just and only that)its just a oldschool platform...KZ being massacred by Destiny-BF4-Titanfall....iNfam ous SS being massacred by MSG5 and GTAV...Driveclub being humiliated by forza 5.....(its a racer..DO IT A 60FPS if u fuckin have 50% more power just on the gpu are this devs dumb or what?!?!!?)

ps. i think also GTAV xb1 and ps4 version will look lot better than infamous

[Crazay]

How is this back peddling if they never divulged their stance in the first place?

Whet did anyone see clear demonstration on what their policies were going to be with respect to indie?

[loulou]

majiebeast

ffs give it a rest. you are now easily in the top rank of f@ktard fanboy with dedicatedtogamers, mariahelfutura, hammad the beast and a few others.

grow up little kid

oh "infamous SS pwns anything11" wtf are you here? you're a f@king hardcore sony fanboy, should you not be in one of the obligatory " i love mark cerny" blogs idiot

[majiebeast]

Have some more salt.

[ape007]

less powerful yeah, that's why forza 5 runs at 60 fps, not drive club or kz or knack (great games don't get me wrong)

[CrimsonStar]

Lol I love seeing all these ps fanboys blowing up with hate and envy lol . Oh and PS I Think Ryse looked better then Infamous SS.

[TheKayle1]

ps self publishing is a thing another thing is that every console can become a dev kit...

theres a lots of difference

[ElementZero]

Alright, I just had to register here to just say one thing regarding this news. Differences between Xbox One Development kit and retail console :

*The development kit will run unsigned code
*Retail, wont

Basically Microsoft will provide anyone who is interested in this program a base with tools for VS and you can develop games and publish just like in the Windows 8 store. No you can't use licensed engines if you don't have a developer license.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I do believe they have a deal to let devs have the Unity engine free. Could have sworn I read that not too long ago.

[ElementZero]

I don't know much of future plans with Unity but at Build they said they were gonna open for devs who wanted to develop for the Windows store. Currently to acquire a console/platform license with Unity you have to be a registered developer and you need a development kit. Like I've said maybe they will change thier policies but quite frankly I don't see big Engine names like CryEngine 3 or Frostbite opening to the public and I highly doubt it you can write your own engine without a full Xbox One development unit.

[fredy]

Yup

http://www.ign.com/articles...

[gdguide]

The new Xbox should be called the 180 because they are doing the opposite of what they announced at the start. Makes me wonder if they even have concrete software in place to do this stuff.

X1 reveal:

Closed to Indie developers, can't play used games, has to be connected to play.

Now:

Uhhh.... Okay. Can do whatever you want Indie developers!
What? You want to play used games? Uhhh, okay!
Don't want to always be connected to play? Uhhhh, duh okay!

Got to say worst PR ever for a release of a product, and worst read ever for what they think customers would be willing to put up with. I like what I'm hearing now, but man have they been doing 180s. Not sure how they can put into action these 180s so close to launch. Talk about misreading the entire industry. Now all they need to do is dump Kinect to get the price at or below the PS4 and they would be in some good shape.

Even as it stands, it's $100 more for lower specs. Kinect 2 better floor us.

[XboxFun]

180 > 4

[golding89]

You mad aren't you?

[TheKayle1]

console r made for games and right now

xb1 line up is just better than ps4..
if u lookign for specs..buy a single gtx 660 for 170 euro u will have 2.5 tf ......against 1.8 (but will enver reach that tf) of the ps4
Yawn...

[Elit3Nick]

I completely agree that their PR has been absolutely horrible, especially during the reveal. This makes me wonder though if all these announcements would've happened if Don Mattrick was still CEO, because all these awesome announcements came after he left.

[loulou]

lol yeah can almost feel their pain everytime something positive comes up

[MysticStrummer]

It is pretty amazing how much they've changed their business plan in the last few months. Gotta give them credit for acknowledging at least some of their own mistakes.

You're also right about the bad PR. That's not what people expect from MS. I'm not sure they misread the industry as much as they expected people to just nod and say hell yeah as MS shaped the future they want for the industry.

[ape007]

they addressed all their faults without damaging any day after release and they did not make ridiculous claims like the infamous 1080p 120fps cell processor, remember that

[hazardman]

Hating ass fool... you wonder if software is even in place from arguably one of the best software companies.

[PFFT]

Old rumors Ps4 is stronger than XBO ON PAPER.
We will see once the systems release IF this still holds true.

[MysticStrummer]

Old rumors?

There are brand new comparisons using up to date information that still say PS4 has a substantial power advantage.

[PFFT]

Yeah i think ill wait till they release the final specs on each respected system. Rather than come in to each an every XBO article and spew all this Ps4 has a 50% more power lead over the XBO jibba jabba making yourselves look like an insecure fanboys.

[biRdy]

This is great news, now I just hope these indie games won't be hidden like the current ones on 360.

[Izzy408]

Wow, if this is true.... then H.O.L.Y shit.

[Ksar]

it is.

[Indo]

It be like the Android Market of Indie games, but on XBOne.

[D-riders]

duh
what system wouldnt allow this going forward. vita ps3 are already doing this.

[Stryfeno2]

This is great...Avatar Fighter Online 2 can be on X1.

[Kayant]

This is great news for indie developers now there is a standard between all platforms for self-publishing. Hmmmm I wonder what the Xbox one fanboys against thing will say now?
Now everyone gets thousands *crappy* games like they would say :p

This one ups Sony and Nintendo. Well played Microsoft.

[Lionalliance]

They got pressured to do this in the first place lol

[Kayant]

True that but they at least made it better by enabling each console to be a dev-kit. Can't do that with a PS4 or Wii U. So well done to them.

[gdguide]

As I suspected. This isn't something they ever had planned until the "WTF" from Indie developers... They updated the article:

+++++ "UPDATE: But not at launch. Microsoft's Marc Whitten just told us that devkit functionality will be added at a later date." +++++

[WeaseL]

Xbox One unit can be converted to a debug console.
So all you would be developers will have to buy 2 consoles

[PirateThom]

So, it's not available at launch?

Sounds like another fantastic non-feature for the XBOne.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

The hate is strong with this one.

[GameCents]

inFAMOUS Second Son won't be available on PS4 at launch. Is it a fantastic non-game for ps4?

[Kanzes]

Well said my friend

[green]

Lol and well said.

[green]

So Gaikai is not available at launch?

Sounds like another fantastic non-feature for the PS4.

[Supermax]

Just wow mind boggling

[Thomper]

I really can't be arsed creating a game. I'm far too lazy, but looking forward to seeing what u guys come up with...

[dcj0524]

This is awesome. Good job microsoft. I might pick up one in 2014 or 2015 now. Right now its PS4 time.

[Phoenix76]

Honestly now..... how many n4g user's here, can make claim that they can produce their own games?? How many ppl here, understand the coding process?? And how many ppl have actually made a game that is available to the public right now??
Prob only a very few of you(you can count me out that's for sure lol).
At most, IMHO, the most you or I would be able to do is create pre-fab maps. A good example of this is Portal 2. Valve allows users to create maps(test chambers) from the limited items that they provide. Or Minecraft as another example.
I know that the PC modding community can create things that either vastly improve a game or find a novel new way to make the game engine do something that it wasn't ment to do, but that's on a PC which is fairly open to allow ppl to do these things. But we are talking about a Console here.
And in all the years that I've played on consoles, from the Atari 2600(classic walnut front) through to the current gen(PS3 & X360), I have never seen a game that was created by someone, using only the console and the pad solely. they get created on other systems, which in turn are ported over to other devices.
MS are coming out with a hell of a lot of claims for their new console, but showing me very little to back to up those words. (create your own game, cloud computing that allows A.I. to be as good as your mates, shared processing power over the internet etc etc).
I may end up being wrong, and if I am I will eat humble pie and accept it, however I don't belive that this will be the case.
But that's my take on it.

[MiasmaDodo]

I understand your hesitation...

but you gotta believe...

[Phoenix76]

yeah, got to believe that the most we will see from home brewed games will be no better than iOS or Android like games. WHOO-HOO!!! Pac-man anyone?
But my first question still stands... how many ppl here can honestly say that they can produce a game?

[fredy]

Phoenix76

can i get some of that haterade your drinkin

[kenmid]

Dam,your just like my wife, you ask a lot of question.

[Ksar]

Great news !

[givemeshelter]

Microsoft announces good news and the majority of responses in this thread are all negative. Gee... N4G.COM... who would have thought?
Imagine if Sony announced this.... You get the picture...

[TheRealHeisenberg]

That in a nutshell has always been and is still the N4G way.

With that said, this is a great feature but I still want it for $300.00 USD or less. Same for PS4.

[MiasmaDodo]

Pretty big news.

might have to buy an X1 also. wow kudos MS

[TheKingslayer]

Be a gamer...Not a hater

[Sm00thNinja]

If only

[Ksar]

180 > 4.

[imt558]

But the POINT is : If you want to develop indie game for XO, you must buy a XO dev kit, find a publisher and put it on XBL, but this : "Every Xbox One Can Be Used To Develop Games" is just an app for Win8 Store, not a real indie game. And yes, self publishing app.:)

CBOAT said :

limted to 3gigs mem,nt full. sory!

comnce to yeling atme, xbotz

So, only 3GB of RAM available and not full access to XO CPU and GPU and it will run like app, not a game.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

There were a number of limitations to the Xbox 360 Indie games as well in terms of file size and I believe the number of cores the game could access. Small indie games more than likely aren't gonna be too hurt if a 3GB of RAM limitation is in-fact in place. But again... lets wait to see the full policy unfolded. CBOAT on Neogaf isn't official in the least.

[imt558]

Hm...I doubt that the gamer/developer will use all of 3GB available. 950 MB is enough.:) Besides, PSV is also a dev kit. You can download an app and create games for PlayStation Mobile.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

There is always a catch with these guys smfh...and I legitimately got excited ofr this also.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Giantbomb had an audio call with Marc Whitten... looks like self publishers per the interview will have full access to the system as he asked specifically on that question:

http://www.giantbomb.com/po...

[Geezus]

wow the sony fanboys are imploding all they have left now is "but it haz 2 morre ddrs than the xbone" "its gun spyy on me and steal my soulzzz" lol

But seriously dev kit functionality is a game changer and along with self publishing is awesome the xbox keeps getting better and better!

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Lol this just confirms that every moronic decision that you MS fans passionately defended was in fact wrong and you guys are the biggest saps on the internet. :-) but good news nonetheless!

[Hufandpuf]

please tell us what PS4 has over the XB1 now.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

OK ... so xbox one dev kit functionality is going to be added post launch. I have no doubts they are still creating a way to implement check-ins/anti piracy for this functionality. Regardless the plan is there...its happening and that will be a good thing for the Xbox One indie dev scene moving forward. And whatever the route is for self publishing is...its also there and again...a good thing.

Makes you wonder what the landscape would have looked like had this all been part of the original reveal.

Also... some major moves have come post Don Matrick and makes you think he was behind much of the original policy. Whoever is behind these decisions... bravo.

[N8]

This doesn't mean what I thought it did.

[Sm00thNinja]

Enormous trump card that cannot be downplayed! If this is as seamless as Microsoft would like you to believe this will be amazing especially if kinect is fully customizable it could usher in a new era of developer freedom. What a 180 they've done now if pr can recover from they're near fatal reveal. I may be more xcited about Xbox one than ps4 now! The Xbox one is truly trying to differentiate itself from its precursor, and that's starting to be a good thing!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Interesting idea.... In theory.

Sorry MS, Sony beat you to the punch with this idea 15 years ago.

[whoyouwit04]

Please explain your stupid comment. When has Sony ever allowed you to use your console as a dev kit? Man, I just don't understand you sony fan boys. you people just won't give microsoft credit for shit.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Ever heard of the playstation mobile app for the PSVita? Why are you so sensitive?

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Kobe nailed it.

Also Sony pioneered this idea with their Net Yaroze console.

[golding89]

lol ignore those fanboys man. they are shaking right now.

[joeorc]

@whoyouwit04

"Please explain your stupid comment. When has Sony ever allowed you to use your console as a dev kit? Man, I just don't understand you sony fan boys. you people just won't give microsoft credit for shit. "

just like you would not give Sony any credit it seem's also. because since playstation's inception the end user has had an option to develop on every playstation released with a playstation system. the PSVita is right now ready out of the box to be able to test your code with just with an App download to the PSVita.

ps1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

PS2

Linux for PlayStation 2 (or PS2 Linux) is a kit released by Sony Computer Entertainment in 2002 that allows the PlayStation 2 console to be used as a personal computer. It included a Linux-based operating system, a USB keyboard and mouse, a VGA adapter, a PS2 network adaptor (Ethernet only), and a 40 GB hard disk drive (HDD).

PS3

END user COULD INSTALL LINUX

PSVita:

Playstation Suite or Playstation Mobile

Again..you can give credit where credit is due also?

[ALLWRONG]

insecure much?

[kenmid]

@Kobe357, the Playstation Vita came 15yrs ago?

[gdguide]

Let me put this out there. They had probably never planned this and wanted a closed ecosystem to maximize their profits and it still sounds like they will have more restrictions on Indie developers.

That said, this is a very good move on their part and should bring the costs down for developers that don't want to $$$ on a dev kit. It brings the starting cost down for people who want to create games. This = great move.

[whoyouwit04]

you sony fans need to quit wit the lame BS about Sony announcing self publishing first. Yes, they did announce it first, but microsoft just one up them by allowing every console to be a dev kit. That just isn't happening with PS4... deal with it.

[Master-H]

Well since MS announced it now , what if Sony also announces that every ps4 can be a dev kit in the future and added some other cool feature that MS hasn't announced yet? will you "deal with it" then ?
See ,all of us can post nonsense comments.

[golding89]

MS confirm it. "What if sony?" does not sound to convincing now.. does it?

Get a life loser.

[Master-H]

@golding89 Ms confirm self publishing now and sony had confirmed self publishing before that, i'm saying since ms now came up with the every x1 is a dev kit thing what makes you sure that sony won't come out couple months from now and announce that every ps4 can be a dev kit too ? It was a response to Whyyouwit04 gloating about Sony being one upped by MS *NOW* , there's no telling sony won't one up them in the future.

Now you're the one that needs to get a life goldie ,because you are immature, calling people losers because they don't defend the same company you defend and worship, sad and pathetic really.

[Phoenix76]

Its amazing how many people can be sucked in by Microsoft's claims.
And before everyone starts to try bashing me for saying this thinks about this.
When I was very young (about 2-3yrs old) my parents claimed that the moon was made out of cheese! and as a very young kid, I thought that they were right.
Years later, my daughter (who at the time was 2) was scared of going to bed in case bad things happened to her. I assured her in the best way I thought I could. I told her that the 'man in the moon' would be watching over her to keep her safe. She accepted that as being true.
Now MS are making lots of claims and people are accepting that what they say is true.
I find that incredible!!! Doesn't anyone else?

[Ksar]

So true.

[fredy]

Doesn't anyone else?

just sony fanboys..some like urself

[Phoenix76]

Its not about being a 'fanboy'.
Its just an observeration.

[fredy]

Nice will Sony bring back OTHEROS?

seems like they were forgiven for taking sh1t away

[Master-H]

Very cool, that new lady CEO definitely got balls and is going in the right direction if this is true, i like it.
On a different topic how is that clown Don Mattrick doing at Zynga ? lol

[Ashunderfire86]

Microsoft just pulled a 360 lol!!! First they did a 180 on their always online policy, and now they just did a 360. Man Sony just making Microsoft change lol!!!

[DOOMZ]

Awesome!!!

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Wow, gotta admit this is big!

[ALLWRONG]

Megabomb NEWS!

[Clarence]

Press move. Of course this wont be available at launch. M$ had no plans on doing this.

I can see now people go out and buy Xbox 1 because they think there's no DRM, and they can develop games. Then M$ turns DRM policies back on, and charge a arm and a leg to develop games.

[golding89]

lol you mad.. sorry buddy nothing you say is going to happen.. #dealwithit

[Clarence]

Mad for what I'm not buying anymore M$ products. Their a $h!t company. They could care less about the gamers. They've proven that. They don't even stand behind their policies.

This just another instance M$ reversed its policies. That's two 180s in a row. That makes a 360 right back to were they started.

Sony pressure caused them to change their policies

[hkgamer]

Definitely a neat feature. Not something for me but I'm sure some people would enjoy it.

Kinda reminds me of the net yaroze(Black PS2) and what would have happened with the PS3linux(if it didn't get shut down so soon).

[imt558]

You mean black PS1?:)

[hkgamer]

lol.. yeah, that... don't know why i said PS2...

[jizzyjones]

Sounds a little like PR stunt at its finest to get the positivity back to give the illusion its open an indie friendly, im sure PS4 is just as open for indie's, that was a big thing for sonys E3. The reality is the 99% wont have a fuc**ing clue what to do with it or have the time to bother, expect a sony counter regardless.

[theFLeXy]

you all that think this sounds "cool" do realize the following will most likely be very accurate:

1) you will have to pay microsoft out your a$$ to get a game published
2) microsoft will own all rights to your game as part of the user agreement
3) you will have to wait months-years to find out if your game is approved/accepted then have to wait months/years to wait for it to be downloadable/purchasable
4) microsoft will take a huge percentage of any prophet your game makes if it makes any money

[FullMetalTech]

The only downside to this is if a developer decides to create this game on a pc with the X1 dev software will they be able to port their creations to another device like a tablet or to PS4 or will MS own all creative rights to the project?

[gdguide]

This is making the developer kits way cheaper, but the restrictions are still there which is the main issue. This was just published on Polygon....

"Vblank Entertainment developer Brian Provinciano (Retro City Rampage) told Polygon that, while the policy seems to be "a great thing," Sony still seems to have the edge.

"On PS4, for example, developers can tap right into the system; use every bit of RAM and all of its power," Provinciano said. "Indies have access to everything that the AAA studios do, from platform support to development and release. The indication on Xbox One is that it's essentially [Xbox Live Indie Games] 2.0. Instead of XNA [Xbox development tools], it's Windows 8. Windows 8, which is already struggling to gain developer interest, will gain a boost from developers wishing to target the console. However, it won't be as full-fledged as published games on the system."

[gigoran]

Devkit functionality added at a later date after you have purchased the console because the information made you think that you wanted it.... for an additional price! How much? Hahahahahahahahahaha Microsoft price.

[PositiveEmotions]

And you guys actually believe its gonna happen? I for one dont trust them because they already did two 180s so yeah

[tubers]

I'm 100% sure it's a limited feature/resources dev kit and not equal to the capabilities of the expensive ones for bigger development.

For the price, it can still be great.

EDIT: AFAIK every VITA is a PSM Dev Kit.

[joeorc]

Thu, Feb 21, 2013 | 23:06 GMT

Yoshida says the PS4 will be more open to indie development than PS3 was

Last night, Sony’s Mark Cerny used the phrase “most open console” to describe the PlayStation 4, and Gamasutra sat down with SCE Worldwide president Shuhei Yoshida to ask him exactly what that means.

Specifically, he was asked if they are trying to make the PS4 a more accessible platform for the indie scene. And he said this:

We believe in smaller developers. They are very creative and they go out of the norm to do something really amazing. So we really want to make it easier for them to come to our platform and publish. And we know there are many things we can do, in talking with these guys and asking what they want us to do. And one effort we’ve been doing in that context is the PS Mobile platform. That doesn’t even require the purchase of a dev kit. It’s totally software driven, and they can develop games… on PC, for example. And once you decide to publish it, you want to test it on the final hardware, but you don’t have to acquire a pricey dev kit.

The approach to PS4 we’re internally working on is, I hope to see somewhere in-between the current model that we have on PS3 and the PS Mobile totally software-driven model. We could continue and go and expand the PS Mobile approach, but the beauty of developing games on console is we allow the developers to go really deep into the hardware, and to unlock the potential. And so in order for us to do that, the developer has to have the dev kit to work on. So at least initially, we have to provide the dev kit to make games on PS4.

We all thoroughly enjoy the PC indie scene, so if they can get more of those folks into console development, more power to them.

so just like the xboxone, the ps4 will also allow the system to be used to develop games for the ps4 and is also coming at a later date for the PS4.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

[5eriously]

Interesting! So M$ actually copycat Sony?

Anyway Microsoft got their way, they conned thousands to believe they will soon have open access to the Xbone console hardware structure. Even hackers are now drivelling with anticipation. Now guess who is going to be very disappointed in future?

[joeorc]

"nteresting! So M$ actually copycat Sony?"

@5eriously

let me explain

I do not think its out right a copycat of what Sony is doing, because all three see the increase in development in the indie scene as something as more of a priority now.

I mean you could say that Microsoft, and this is a subjective matter of the person's observation of what has transpired in the past few months , that maybe Sony was more front and center in courting Indie developer's to bring more of their indie development's over to playstationg than what Microsoft was doing to do the same for the xbox platform as a whole. for example:

PSPmini's

PSN digital indie games for the, PSP PSVita and PS3 and now PS4. a Buy once play on all supported playstation platforms. sony has been increasing a number of games with this added consumer value to their game purchase.

and yet Sony still has

Sony's playstation Home: As a platform is "Quite the center stage for indie developer's to make indie games for a social game environment".

Where the Gamer can play a large group of indie free to play games with the main type of support for the indie developer's income is Micro transactions only and its doing quite well because new content is made ready for consumer consumption every single week and this has been that way now for over 4+ years.the Playstation Home platform is doing quite well for Sony it seem's, with many millions of user's world wide that use its service every single day.

than Sony also has Playstation Mobile:

Started slow, but now is gaining more traction with indie development, with more App's and Games being made much faster now for new releases than it was last year, there is an increase now more than ever.

with Microsoft you have had XNA, and it done quite well, I think Microsoft's increase investment into indie scene development's is just a natural evolution, of what they had been doing with the xbox360 , its just that Sony seem's to be more front and center with the indie scene right now more than microsoft and that may be because Sony has been putting in more vested interest as a company to court these indie developer's for their platforms than what microsoft has been doing right now. and that i Think is exactly why Microsoft is doing what they are doing, Sony seems to be getting more indie support more now than they ever had in the past. because Sony has more indies development Playstation platforms to make their games for release than on Microsoft's platforms.

Microsoft is trying to increase their investment now before other platforms get toll position of 1st priority of New indie development releases, because right now with Google's Android, Apple's iOS, multiple smart TV and both Sony and Nintendo both courting heavy invested indies developer's Microsoft does not want to get left out.

[SynestheticRoar]

K@@L. This is good news for the X-box.

[annus]

If it is fully open to anyone to develop for, what's stopping people from running pirated games? People could just slightly modify a real game and it would run, similar to how it's done on PC. There must be something huge they are not mentioning.

Sounds like it's just PR making up crap to try and win the popularity back, but I would love to see a proper article on licencing costs, public SDK, censorship and the like in relation to creating for the console.

[NeoTribe]

Sorry but a company doesn't go from not giving a flying fuk about indy devs to all of a sudden having self publishing on each console in a months time. Ofcourse its not at release because it either won't come at all or it will be bunk when it is out. They are acting like they care about indy now because of all the backlash.

[4Sh0w]

Awesome stuff, why are people mad they are being more open to indie development? They heard the criticism and responded with a brilliant show of support.

[kenshiro100]

Interesting feature.

[JohnCartenper]

Next thing you know Indie XbO games will be cross-compatible with Windows 8 devices

[Funnymonkey013]

Wow guess MS is catching up 2 PS4 now. Now how about u don't need kenect to be on at all times and then no more complains ya know.

[NeoTribe]

How about they should of had all this from the getgo. Why did it take a historical backlash for them to SLOWLY start giving consumer rights back. Have no idea why anyone would trust a company like this.

[SpideySpeakz]

"Every Xbox One can be used as a Devkit"...... but not at launch.

I guess that means we won't be seeing this at least a year from now, or released a few months from launch, then taken away a year later because it will backfire on MS.

Oh, Microsoft.

[MadLad]

That's actually pretty cool if so.

[deno]

I have to give it to Microsoft. At first when they unveiled Xbox one I was disappointed with all the regulations, but it's turning out to be a magnificent machine.

[B-radical]

sahhh keen

[S2Killinit]

"Could" please pay attention to detail. Just like my PC "could" be used to make games, if it had the necessary software on it. More vague language, thanks Microsoft.

[Shad0wRunner]

Microsoft FINALLY get's something right, with the XBox One.

That being said, I'm for Team Sony and Im STILL getting a PS4 over an XB1. I just wanted to give props. I may be a fanboy, but Im not a stupid fanboy. ^_-

[5eriously]

Hackers haven?

[badboy776]

So what does this mean I can make the exact same quality Call of duty ghost on xbox one at home????

[JohnS1313]

Why would anyone want to make games for the Spybox? No thanks.

[RealtorMDandDC]

Little Big Planet......actually I have not. But just saying. I'm impress with Microsoft's back peddling. They came crashing out the gates on their high horse now humbled by the mass public, it's interesting to see the about face.

These many about face also hints to me, that the X1 had no real intention on focusing on games as the primary medium. Gamers had to virtually uproar and got what they wanted.

I really do not trust Microsoft's track record, yes there is an about face today but what about the way down the road tomorrow?

Gamer's gets you into the living room but you can make a killing money wise with media outside of games hence the focus on non-gaming media and apps on the current 360.

Still not sold on X1 tho.. I'm a cord cutter and I only pay for high speed internet. I am not getting any device that will force me to rely on a cable provider's TV service to get 100% usefulness, effectiveness and purpose out of said device.

The percentage of people cutting cable TV every year is increasing. If Microsoft can provide me with a box where I can bypass cable for all my TV needs they will have a customer. I will always have my PSomething as the main GAMING device.

[Kennytaur]

You still need the cable box to plug into the One, unless Netflix and alike is enough for you. But if streaming services are enough, then you would have cut cable already (unless you still haven't used such services).

[Kennytaur]

Bold move by Microsoft, pulling an OUYA. Let's wait and see if it's all good or come back to bite them in their behinds later.

[90Supra]

Very nice...

not an xbox guy at all, but u cant hate on this...

[CaptainQwark]

All of this sounds nice, but for me the option to turn every console into a devKit also sounds a bit like the solution so that MS doesn't "have to deal with" the indie developers in person. I think Sony's approach with Shahid is actually great and gives indie developers a spokesperson inside the company, well maybe MS will also do something about that...

[joeorc]

@CaptainQwark

"Sony's approach with Shahid is actually great and gives indie developers a spokesperson inside the company, well maybe MS will also do something about that... "

100% agreement , Sony has been backing the indie scene for quite a while now esp. at indie cade's as a Prime sponsor. for the past 3 years in a row. added to the fact that Sony put 8 indie developer's front an center on stage @ this years E3 ;Sony it seems are really pushing Indie GAMES for these indie development houses to be front an center for the launch of new playstation systems. giving the indie developer's a fair shake.

With Smartphone and Tablet indie developer #'s increasing, giving them one more reason to make the indie games they develop get developed for your system platforms is i think a top priority now.

Microsoft is not ignoring this fact, and i think even though, with the replacement for XNA is here now, many indie developer's will have more reason's to give All three companies platforms a go to make the new games released on. example both Nintendo and Sony both allow Unity 3D game engine to be used on their new platforms, the PSVita for instance and the WiiU are also a prime example of this.

Microsoft is not sitting by and letting both Nintendo and Sony make the case to choose their platform and exclude Microsoft's in the process. with Android, and Apple's iOS, and all the smart TV manuf. Indie development scene is exploding right now and that is a very good thing. There is Lots of choices aside from just the PC now to make indie games come alive and that is not matter how you slice it is a very good thing.

[Whitey2k]

Its funny how fanboys run back to sucking off microsoft bellends

[Phoenix76]

@clarence, any more u-turns by MS, and we'll have the xbox720!!! Lol

[WitWolfy]

Yay!! Lets rejoice for a feature that can take anywhere from 9 months up to a year before it will be released publicly.

I wouldn't be surprised if MS make you pay to unlock the devkit feature when it eventually launches.

[BIGBOSS08]

might aswell just change the name to xstation 4 to. microsoft are cloning the PS4 now.

[GamePeace]

Cool app to create minigames, Smartphone like games with it. Angry Birds One, nothing to be impressed about. Creating games takes years of thinking, making concepts, a whole professional Team and so on, you will only create stupid nude mod's, nothing more...

[joeorc]

"Cool app to create minigames, Smartphone like games with it. Angry Birds One, nothing to be impressed about. Creating games takes years of thinking, making concepts, a whole professional Team and so on, you will only create stupid nude mod's, nothing more..."

@GamePeace

while i see your point

this is not 1980's anymore, indie development has much more advanced Hardware, and tool chains and advanced Api's that are quite mature to work with. one of which can be used to make really good games that are not just something like "Angry Birds"

I think your statement is not only 100% incorrect but very narrow minded. the reason being is there is a very big Misconception about smartphone and Tablet gaming going around as being "seen as somehow 2nd or 3rd class gaming" many are I think trying to paint it as a class of Game development that is subpar vs what type of games you can make with a dedicated game system, and i think in my opinion is just not true at all.
Now is there games that fit the "subpar" game or 2nd class or 3rd class type of gaming , well i think that is subjective on a person by person opinion on the matter, what you or i may call or see it as a lesser type of game, other's may in fact see it as a very good game for them.

[Hayabusa 117]

"Kotaku Update: "But not at launch. Microsoft's Marc Whitten just told us that devkit functionality will be added at a later date"

Through an adjustment to the SDK or a patch? 'Cumon Microsoft, I thought you guys had learned by now. More information!

This promise of "at a later date" sounds a little too sketchy to me. I have no doubt that they intend to do it at this point in time, but they could easily change their mind or decide it isn't practical.

[MontyQ]

Soooo you can make you own games to do what with since M$ and indie support are crap....maybe make the game and port it to ps4 lol boooooya on yo chin M$

[unicron7]

Wow... keep backpedaling. Wonder what else they are going to take from the competition before launch? This is laughable.

[Izzy408]

I like it how you brush aside all the things Sony is doing to copy Xbox. Lets see..

is making every xbox one a dev kit copying sony?
what about their cross game chat?
what about xbox live?
achievements?
pay to play online?

Do yourself a favor and stop being such a Fangirl.

[Kidmyst]

This could be cool, considering games like Little Big Planet and what cool levels people take time and make that are fun to play. But on the flip side, could also lead to some shovel ware crap. Being able to read gamers comments on reviews would be nice.

[Saleem101]

Lol a retail xbox is not a dev kit lol Microsoft zombies wake up hello...

[Saleem101]

This feature will be use for small scale things like apps and small cellphone games on console... dev kit has more ram than retail box... hello

[SniperControl]

All i can see, is a convenient way for people to play copied games.
Pirates will find a way to exploit this feature.

[GamePeace]

I never wanted to make my own game, I want good Quality products from professional Studios. The only Thing I do is to spend my Money on the games. I have no time and head to create a playground for children...

[H3ADWOUND81]

Gee, I wonder why they've taken that root?
It's desparate times for Microsoft, pirating Sony ideas...
It seems they are setting a standard for the future, Sony comes up with all the great ideas, Microsoft copy's those ideas. Yet another instance that shows Microsoft was no where near ready for next generation consoles...

[kendoggx]

I cant wait to hack mutiplayer and accounts :P

[SephirothX21]

I have made my own game engine for pc using Direct X 11. If I can port that over for use with Xbox One, then I'll buy one. Seeing as the One uses DirectX 11.2, then I should be able to get it working.

[vigilante_man]

Ooh, ooh, ooh
I wanna be like you
Wanna walk like you
Talk like you

Oh, yes its true
I wanna be like you

(Junglebook or XB1 to PS4?)