Next-Gen Face-Off: Forza Motorsport 5 vs. Driveclub

GenGAME writes: "Both upcoming next-gen consoles are tearing it up with a major first-party driving game at launch, and that means for fans of the genre, it’ll be important to weigh the pros and cons of each head-to-head before you dive into a full purchase for either. Fortunately, I managed to score some hands-on time with both games at E3, and came away with an assessment of what people will love – and maybe not love so much – about each."

[kenmid]

Both of them look great, but judging from the E3 videos Forza looks like the better game and it's a more established franchise.

[legendoflex]

Most-established + better-looking + more approachable.

[georgeenoob]

Forza 5. Drivatars anyone?

[HammadTheBeast]

As always, just pointing out that what was shown at E3 of DriveClub was a build 35% complete. And the Forza build was obviously incomplete.

Just saying.

Also, georgenoob LOL

Drivatars. The "revolutionary" spawn of cloud technology which basically puts your gamertag on AI and lets you get points for doing nothing.

[FATAL1TY]

1- Gran Turismo 6 (Best Sim)

2- DriveClub (best arcade racing game)

GT6 will sell 15 million copies

[grimmweisse]

george, you're down to one bubble! What happened?

Well of course Forza is more establish, it's in it's 5th iteration. Kinda of obvious to say it's "most established".

On another note, I am kinda of interested to see how that Drivatar concept works out. Gimmick or interesting feature?

[dantesparda]

bullsh!t fanboy opinion (the article)

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Driveatars?

More like Gran Turismo's B-spec mode, which debuted in 2004

And considering the major gimps to this new forza, it hardly seems next gen to me.

No night
No weather
300-ish cars
No Fanatec wheel support
No Auction House
No Storefront
No Porsche
No offroad
No tyre sidewall markings
Baked lighting
Baked damage

[BallsEye]

Driveclub goes only in 30 FPS. I can't play racing game at 30 fps! It's just wrong!

[jimbobwahey]

Drivatars have been a part of the Forza franchise since the original game back in 2005. It's funny that people honestly think that they're a new feature.

[I_am_Batman]

I woudn't say it's better looking until we've seen a direct feed gameplay trailer from Driveclub which we haven't unless I've missed something.

Same goes for gameplay. Can't tell until I played both of them.

[ShinMaster]

Comparing a sim with an arcade game? And ignoring features cut from said sim game? Talk about reaching.

lmao @ Drivatars

[Ju]

HDR lighting in one, none in the other. I'll let you figure out which is which. Hint: Pretty clear in the very first shot at the top. Since I haven't played either I can't comment how they handle. I think DriveClub has a fair chance vs. smoke and mirrors which was/is Forza.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Pffft.

This is not even a comparison. Forza 5 all the way.

Aside of the FACT that Turn 10 is a long, experienced developer who love cars and have pumped out 4 more racing sims then Evolution Studios.

Forza has been the HIGHEST RATED Racing sim franchise for 10 years now, ever since Forza was introduced to the market.

No competition, It's Forza 5 and aside from the obvious reviews of both games, the games will speak for themselves.

Driveclub will be left sitting at the starting line while Forza will be once again crossing the finish line uncontested.

[mattdillahunty]

if Driveclub really does run at 30fps and Forza 5 runs at 60, then it's no contest. give me the game with a much faster and smoother gameplay experience. 30fps is so slow.

[nukeitall]

@mattdillahunty:

60 fps on Forza 5 and it looks way better than DriveClub at 30 fps. Smoother and better graphics and I think there it is clear why DriveClub is given away.

That said, graphics aside, the more important thing is game play and the response hasn't disappointed. Forza 5 looks to be a monster game with advanced cloud support!

That said, I think the fingertip rumbling sounds fantastic. I remember playing NG Sigma on the PS3 without rumble and the lack of feedback made it a poor replacemet for NG Black. Rumbling is hugely important, and fingertip rumbling sounds fantastic.

[Rivitur]

I say watch out for Project Cars.

[YNWA96]

I had more agrees than disagrees, and I was reported and blocked, which perfectly highlighted my comment. I am not a fanboy, I play all and anything and also fortunate enough to be able to afford most consoles. The PS4 fanboy brigade though has destroyed N4G, ruined any chances of decent discussions on these articles. As for the people coming out with stats for both games no one has played.... You people need a life.... Really pathetic.....

@ssj27, and fanbase of 5 million fanboys?? I pass....

[Skate-AK]

Well it is a new IP. Of course Forza is a more established franchise.

[iamnsuperman]

and also Drive Club is a F2P game. Comparing these games is just ridiculous.

[Minato-Namikaze]

@superman Drive club isnt a F2P game. Its Apart of the PS+ IGC for PS4. It will also have a retail release i belive.

[RedHawkX]

forza doesnt work when you bring it home from the store. also more people will be playing drive club more and thats what online raceing games are about. the competition you race against. ps4 user base will crush xbox one install base. no reason to play forza when there is no one to race against.

[Black-Helghast]

Ohh so you can see the future? Please tell me when is the next Jak game coming out? Will it work when you 'bring it home from the store'? Will it have a bigger user base? Please, enlighten us.

[3-4-5]

Say what you want about Microsoft, but don't lump Forza into that argument.

Forza 2,3,4 are arguably the best driving games ever created, so this is one franchise that is a definite bonus for XB1.

[TheFanboySlayer]

tbh driveclub doesnt look that great -__- and Forza is a good franchise dont get me wrong...but Gran Turismo is the greates driving sim of all time....check out the sales and scores of each and you will know. Forza 5 looks to kick ass though...kinda sad that Gran Turismo 6 is not coming to ps4 this fall...

[kenmid]

@RedHawkX
So how do you think your going to get driveclub, it's not going to magically appear on your playsation, you'll will have to download it.

[jimbobwahey]

What Turn 10 said about Forza 5 not working unless you go online and redeem the DLC codes, is basically their way of blocking used game sales.

For anyone curious, IGN posted an article where Dan Greenawalt talked about it.

[forcefullpower]

Actually you can by the game from the high street store and put it in the PS4. No need to download it.

[nukeitall]

You put the Forza 5 disc in and download the latest free content entirely *free*.

There is no code, just a disc and download.

[GraySnake]

@ nuke

Yea content that is NEEDED to play the game..the game will not work unless you have that content.

Both games are being rushed to meet launch deadlines imo.

[vinniects]

so forza does not work because you need do an online update. But you then say more people playing drive club and that's what ONLINE racing is all about. this sony fanboy stuff on n4g is ruining n4g.

[MWong]

Both games will probably do well. Forza looks better and probably will sell more because of the established fan base, just being realistic. But like vinniects stated both games seem to be rushed. DriveClub @ 30 fps, but PS+ gamers get a free slim version of it though to demo.

With Forza though, I really don't like the idea that you have to download a patch prior to the game actually working. So anybody without the internet still can't ever play the game or the XBone for that matter.

[nukeitall]

@GraySnake:

All games are rushed to meet deadlines. It is always like that, and even more so with launch games, befause they have to deal with tools that change often, hardware specs that might change and requirements that also change.

I fail to see your point.

[aceitman]

how about if we judge them at launch or when they show something in October, no one stated how far along f5 is and driveclub is only 35 % done . and graphics on the motor storm series had wowed a lot of people so im sure drive club will do the same , now if someone can find out how long into f5 they are we can get an idea on there final product .if they say 90 % done then we can say its pretty much going to look like it does now.

[mcstorm]

For me I don't think Drive club and Forza 5 can be put up against each other as they are 2 different types of games. For me Drive club should be compared to Horizon which to me has been the best arcade racer of the 360/PS3 gen.
For me Forza 5 will be an amazing game as they have got better and better each game.

I expect both games to be very good but in different ways. I cant wait to get my hands on both but when comparing them for me it should be GT/Forza and Forza Horizon/Driver club.

[tracyllrkn]

You can't even compare these games. Forza is the more serious sim game while DC is the more fun arcade game.

[Picnic]

I got the feeling it was the other way around.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I seriously hate comparisons. "Two racing games so lets compare them."

"And to make it worse two racers that are exclusive to each platform."

Yeah that's totally not gonna start a flame war...
Nothing more than a hit seeking article.

[WitWolfy]

Agreed... Why compare a sim game to arcade? IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE!!!

[dale_denton]

can you walk out of your car and check your engine in forza 5? don't think so

[GameCents]

I take it you've never heard of autovista which is already available on Forza 4.
And now it's going to be expanded with Forza 5 with Forza Vista where full car exploration, including engine and commentary from Top Gear hosts, to ALL the cars.

[FunkMacNasty]

dale_denton, you never played a Forza game. It gets way better than "getting out of your car and checking your engine" in Forza. Not only can you get out and interact with waaaaaaay more than just the engine, but even better.. it's all narrated with technical and cheeky commentary from Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson. It's called "Autovista".

[FamilyGuy]

Forza looks good but the color saturation makes all the cars look like highly polished plastic toys to me. DriveClub and GT car look more realistic.

DriveClub n the E3 show floor must've looked much worse than the trailers they showed because I though it looked really good yet the E3 press say otherwise :/
Guess I'll just have to wait an see.

They should've thrown The Crew into the mix on this comparison. It looked pretty interesting, kind of like a Fast an Furious video game.

[Ju]

Yeah, because these days the perception is "flat, glossy and shiny" == good, while DC has full dynamic lighting and was played on a rainy day. LOL (clouds casting shadows on the street, water puddles there) which obviously wasn't bathing in the sunlight of a perfectly blue sky, unlike Forza (even though it was a city track which was as bright in town as outside). But that's just where our horizon ends, I guess.

Go take a look at the latest Kotaku footage and pay attention to the street damage (cracks) or surface scratches on the car + that guys attempt to damage the barrier (which actually deforms). None of those things are in Forza.

[s8anicslayer]

A better comparison would've been made if there was a Gran Turismo made specifically for the PS4! sim vs sim not arcade vs sim. I like the Forza franchise a lot and was a huge fan of Gran Turismo during PS1 and PS2 days but with Polophony Digitals PS3 offerings although not bad left a lot to be desired for me. Forza 2 introduced me to the Forza franchise on the 360 and turned 10 me into an instant fan.

[thisismyaccount]

Fact(s) :

-Forza 5 ain´t running at 60 (steady) fps
...[DF : there's "pop-out" in the rear-view mirror while set to cockpit view, where pieces of the world disappear abruptly after passing a certain point.[DF]

...[DF : Reflections in the rear-view mirror, plus those on the car exterior and passing shop windows, update at essentially half the rate (30fps) of the rest of the game - an effect that was dynamic in nature on Forza 4, returning to full-rate when the rendering budget permitted. [DF]

-Cockpit View the game drops objects/polys (see rearmirror inside a car, up to 30fps only, DF)
-if you look carefully, you notice that ain´t proper 60fps (as DFoundry stated : it will render up to 60, as long the eninge is "allowed" to (aka LOAD) hence the "returning to full-rate when the rendering budget permitted"... so im driving a car, with pre-baked lighting, fake reflections that render at half of the 60fps.

-forza 5 looks great, but comes not remotely close to Gran Turismo (Sales, Style-Art, Gameplay (Sports Tires, no a.i.d|s), Gran Turismo Prologue alone sells up to 5 Mio. copies, full version of any GT up to 10 (heavy hitter).

-DriveClub at least has "dynamic lighting" not this BS-PS360 Gen "pre-baked" lights like FM5 (not saying that ain´t good...), looks like im repeating myself (sorry)

-Played Shift 1 on the PC at steady 30fps with a 360 controller (hard/pro), was playable 125%! Not sure, why we need 60fps in a racing game, 30 fps is more than enough for most of us. But saying Forza 4/5 were/are running at steady 60 is a false statement >
Fake 60fps? :)
http://and.intercon.ru/rtfr...

30 fps = steady framerates and better graphics
60 fps = more fluid... but worse graphics?

[gamer2013]

"DriveClub is presented at 1080p, but the high resolution only serves to amplify the somewhat flat-looking textures which look somewhat current-gen right now." -Digital Foundry

"DriveClub doesn't hold up on technical grounds with the Gran Turismos and Forzas of the world" -Digital Foundry

"When questioned, Evolution Studios confirms that it's pushed for a full-fat 1080p presentation, falling in line with all Sony's other leading PS4 titles. Unfortunately, this higher resolution only amplifies the low quality, blurry, flat-looking textures used across this level, which would easily look at home on current-gen hardware. It's also a shame that, while the scenery draw distance is broad, there's an incredible amount of pop-in for trees and waving NPCs as we approach at high speeds." When questioned, Evolution Studios confirms that it's pushed for a full-fat 1080p presentation, falling in line with all Sony's other leading PS4 titles. Unfortunately, this higher resolution only amplifies the low quality, blurry, flat-looking textures used across this level, which would easily look at home on current-gen hardware. It's also a shame that, while the scenery draw distance is broad, there's an incredible amount of pop-in for trees and waving NPCs as we approach at high speeds. When questioned, Evolution Studios confirms that it's pushed for a full-fat 1080p presentation, falling in line with all Sony's other leading PS4 titles. Unfortunately, this higher resolution only amplifies the low quality, blurry, flat-looking textures used across this level, which would easily look at home on current-gen hardware. It's also a shame that, while the scenery draw distance is broad, there's an incredible amount of pop-in for trees and waving NPCs as we approach at high speeds. -Digital Foundry

"It is noted that 60fps is something the team strives for, but no promises can be made; in the interest of providing a smooth E3 experience it remains decidedly locked at 30fps for now." It is noted that 60fps is something the team strives for, but no promises can be made; in the interest of providing a smooth E3 experience it remains decidedly locked at 30fps for now. -Digital Foundry

I found no need to comment after each of these quotes because they speak for themselves.

The thing is, some of you people are so stupidly blinded with brand loyalty that you fail to see that all hardware has limitations.
The more niceties that devs try to cram in, the more that performance and other things will suffer. It's all give and take. With that said, F5 looks pretty impressive in it's early stages, for a game in 1080p running at 60fps.

I'd also like to add in reply to the rest of you're post that personal preference is subjective not fact.

Btw - "Running at a nigh-on flawless 1080p60, Forza Motorsport 5 was undoubtedly the gameplay and technical highlight of Xbox One at this year's E3." -Digital Foundry

Just saying..

[ssj27]

DRIVECLUB will sale and be played by easily 5millions on day one.. amazing numbers I know!
Thanks to PS+

forza not so much. I bet is a good game but DRIVECLUB will create a fanbase in the first month which is bigger than the fan base forza has been making for like the last 8 years lol.

Sony is not stupid, the know what they are doing, drive club will be a instant hit, a fun racer to play online.

[skept3k]

Driveclub being a totally new IP will be hard to judge against a well established racing game such as Forza. I'll wait till I can site down with the final version of both games to make a decision on which is better.

[hankmoody]

I'm tempted to disagree with you because obviously, you're making WAY too much sense here.

[CaptainPunch]

Can't wait to play both, yeah boy.

[Rob4]

there is no need

[elhebbo16]

completely dynamic (changeable time and weather) maps vs static maps. Im sure both of them have ultra high details cars though. too early to judge gameplay imo.

[RM-TatoTiburon]

Driveclub is new and nice but it has nothing to do against Forza 5. Good thing Driveclub is free for PSN+

[ovnipc]

KI its free on xbl, and the driveclub you get free on psn its not complete, its missing cars and tracks that you have to buy the same as KI. I take KI any day over driveclub

[grimmweisse]

Way'd a go off topic, last I checked this was a comparison between 2 racing games!

[mxrider2199]

ki you only get one char driveclub yout get multiple cars and tracks and only have to buy the rest
edit
and i bet you will get discounts for the rest of the game through ps plus

[christrules0041]

To be honest killer instinct looks like it could be done on the Xbox 360. I'm looking for next gen games and that would be my only purpose buying a next gen console. I'm not saying it doesn't appeal to people but to me personally I'm looking forward to Planetside 2, Metal Gear Solid 5 and The Order 1886 just to name a few.

It depends on personal preference.

[badkolo]

so does driveclub, watch the video, it looks like crap, and i mean real crap. thats not next gen at all and thats why its free giveaway crap just like ki

[Megaton]

I don't understand why Driveclub exists. It's not like there was a void to fill with sim/sim-ish racing in the Sony camp. They have their behemoth in Gran Turismo. Evolution should have stuck with arcade racing. They're good at it. Maybe take a crack at the Wipeout franchise if they don't wanna keep doing Motorstorm, or a new arcade racing IP all together. Just seems really, really pointless to make an inferior-looking GT as long as GT games are still being made.

[Godmars290]

Likely the arcade driving game to GT's attempts towards realism.

[elhebbo16]

"inferior-looking GT" but its not GT, its Driveclub.

[SonicRush15]

The devs has said that Driveclub is not a simulator like Formula 1 or Gran Turismo.

[Megaton]

Coulda fooled me with the way they've been showing it off. Definitely looks more sim than arcade.

[badz149]

@Megaton

don't know why Driveclub exist? Evolution Studio is a racing focus dev and what else do you want them to come up with? they have delivered with Motorstorm series on PS3...simply the best arcade off-road racing out there!

since 2006, there have been Motorstorm(PS3), Pacific Rift(PS3), Artic Edge(PSP/PS2), Apocalypse(PS3) and RC(PS3/Vita) and I think they too want move on to make a different game and not to mention that haters will accuse them for milking if they release another Motorstorm and they said it themselves that Driveclub is THE game the wanted to make for the longest time and with the social emphasize of the PS4, they decided that it is the right time for Driveclub!

it's not a SIM and not fully an arcade racer either! it's a mixture of both but focus mainly on team effort! it's not just a community racer - sharing decals, paintjob, stickers, parts and stuff it's more than that! it's no longer just about racing and winning by yourself but it's about building the strongest team of drivers! more like clans in FPS games. so, what other racing game do this already? I can't think of any! so, yeah...it's enough reason for it to exist!

[Ju]

Hm, I think one think which Sony failed to point out (more) is their social aspect. It was in presentations here or there. But their social integration is an attempt to make this the "facebook of gaming" - see UI where you can post progress and share with friends = similar like a FB like presentation within the PS4's UI.

So, with that said, DC does exactly that. It isn't just about racing. It's about sharing and racing against your friends on that "friends page". It has a huge social aspect to it which no other game has. It's probably subtle at best - and should be, IMO - but there is a lot of planing going into something like this to pull this off. Besides being YARG (Yet-Another-Racing-Game(tm)).

[YNWA96]

Errr, so if Xbox does that, they not care about games, its BS.... Sony does, wonderful news??

[PositiveEmotions]

On the ps4 driveclub looks more detailed and more realistic but as for gameplay well idk i would have to try thrm both to decide which is better.

[insertnamehurr]

I think id prefer driveclub´s gameplay over forza5´s due to watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watc... look how badly forza5´s car slips off, its unreal! I think id get really frustrated to play like that.

[christrules0041]

Wow that is crazy. When he tried turning in that game it just slide him sideways into the wall. There was also parts where it looked like he was trying to turn but it didn't let him turn very much. Yeah I think Drive Club will be better.

[PositiveEmotions]

Thats how racing games are tho they slide off easily because of they speed they go.

[tuglu_pati]

@christrules0041

yeah that is called physics. Try going 80+ in a curve in real life and you'll see what happens.

[n4rc]

All depends how the car is set up etc..

Plus most gameplay you see of all games are Devs. Who are usually notoriously bad at their games Lol..

[Ju]

Well, ya, he switched all supports off. So I wouldn't judge that. But, I'd think a Ferrari doesn't slip at 80mph. My car doesn't and it's far from being a Ferrari.

[ape007]

nope forza 5 looks better and runz at 60FPS, see digital foundry analysis between them

[zebramocha]

It looks better because it's most likely the final build,evolution studios confirmed that DC's build was 35% finished.

[Ju]

Yeah, because it has lower detail, no dynamic lighting and actually not even a damage model (despite what you see in the post-game cue - watch in game). Ridge Racer runs 60fps @ 1080p, too.

[imt558]

Forza 5 don't run at locked 60 fps. It is between 55-60 fps :

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Btw. one of the developers from Evolution Studios on NeoGAF :

FYI there will be a new and updated demo at Gamescom next month

[ape007]

@ Ju, nope Forza 5 has better textures and car models and lightning and runs at 60 fps, read digital foundry analysis please

[_FantasmA_]

How about GT6 vs Forza? No contest GT6 smokes them all and goes laps around Forza.

[RedHawkX]

and it works day one without downloading gigabytes of data

[Fireseed]

Is that really an issue to anyone?

[True_Samurai]

Download in the background while you play your point is invalid

[legendoflex]

GT6 is 100% irrelevant to a "which next-gen console" discussion.

[mxrider2199]

not really since they are thinking about making a port for ps4 whihc would probably include graphical updates

[_FantasmA_]

GT6 coming to PS4. Ouch!

[_FantasmA_]

Yes fireseed. There are billions of people without internet. But I mean who cares, right, F them! Guess what console will work for them?? PS4 and PS3. According to Don Matrick though, Maybe they should just move to rich part of the world, get a second job, and buy a 360?

[insertnamehurr]

I dont think so, both look good, but, from what ive seen, driveclub looks graphically more detailed, and, the gameplay looks better, if you havent noticed yet, the cars in forza5 slip off sideways badly when you turn around.

Heres the gameplay video: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Bathyj]

That weird, it looked like he was driving on ice. It wasnt power oversteer either, he was just slipping out pretty much everywhere.

Oh well, if you crash you can always rewind.

[gamer2013]

troll

[theWB27]

That's because, as in GT too, you can't take a car 70mph into a sharp turn if you call yourself being a simulator. If you brake late, take the wrong angle, accelerate at the wrong time all contributes into sliding. GT simulates the same variances in racing. Driveclub is not a simulator, so the cars will have more grip than usual kinda like the Grid series.

Graphically? Virtually every person who has demoed these games has put Forza ahead of Driveclub. Citing the same thing, Driveclub lacks a true next gen look despite the vistas and detail.

[ironwolf]

That's due to pushing stock tires past their grip limit. Try pushing a real street car the same way and see what happens.

[jocomat9]

I honestly thought that too. DC looked photorealitic to me at some parts while forza didn't. just my opinion. both good btw

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Well as reported by other gaming sites DriveClub has frequent pop in and polygons look flat.
Of course Forza 5 is far superior in gameplay and visuals. The final version of Forza 5 will have Ray trace path with Directx 11.2 PRT tile.

[christrules0041]

The Drive Club demo was 35% complete. No doubt there will be texture pop ins. Also the PS4 has more bandwidth with the GDDR5 and doesn't need to use tiled textures since it has enough bandwidth. Direct X 11.2 tiled textures helps free up bandwidth.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

I see alot of MS fans chanting this ray trace line in regards to Forza, do you have a link to confirm this?

[LackaJaKane]

"The final version of Forza 5 will have Ray trace path with Directx 11.2 PRT tile."

source?

[Nazara]

Anyone else want a next gen burnout?

[ape007]

omg that will be awesome

[Fireseed]

Am I the only one who thinks hyper realistic racers are competing in the graphics department to such a high end to distract the players from how boring racing sims are? lol

I mean to be fair I think they're boring but after seeing how pretty Forza looked I thought I should get it cause it looked cool... then I reminded myself "Oh yeah, you get bored within one race"

[NioRide]

Sims aren't boring, The ones who really enjoy them tend to be people who understand the inner workings of cars, like to actually tune the settings, and compete with people on actual skill, not smash em crash em bumper cars.

[Fireseed]

And that's probably why I lose interest, guess I like more arcadey racers like Burnout and 4x4 Evo

[NioRide]

Winter thats not a bad thing, I love both sim and arcade racers, If you happen to have a PC pick up FUEL, its a great game, really under rated.

[mxrider2199]

just alll on your preference nothing to do with not selling or having interest

[Gamer666]

I don't think comparing these games is really fair. Both will be solid... But Forza a driving simulator whereas Drive Club is more of an realistic arcade racer.

Two very different games.

[the worst]

Forza wont be better than ps3 game gt6

[dcj0524]

Drive club looked really bad at e3. If they only completed % 35 they should've not shown it. Now they embarass them selves. Lets hope the final product is MUUUUUUCH better.

[spaceg0st]

all i can say is, at least it's free. (most of it anyway)

[NioRide]

Why are these being compared?

The developers on driveclub have already said their game is not a sim, Nor planning to make it a sim. If anything its Test drive unlimited but with actual good gameplay.

And before some fanboy starts spouting BS at me.

http://youtu.be/6rLZ7rybLgo...

There's the dev video to show it.

"this isn't a hardcore racer, It's not a simulation of any way shape or form, its about having fun with cars and very fast roads."

Which is what it should be, I love games like this is going to be. Have enough sims, I don't need another on my list.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

The Forza build at E3 was a more polished game than the Driveclub build at E3 so of course it's going to look better at that time frame Duh.

[Funantic1]

Please tell me that's Driveclub for PS3.

[Man-E-Faces]

People really need to stop putting Forza 5 on a pedestal right now, it doesn't bode well for Forza 5 if a 35-40% build of DriveClub is comparable. I'll be honest I don't like Forza myself the very poor lighting system, canned engines sounds that are needlessly overdone like shift, a failed series which I passionately dislike, and Forza although a bit better has a similar feel to shift of the cars feeling floaty/gliding if you will on the track. And the poorly done replay mode in the Forza series is laughable. I really am not impressed by Forza 5 visually or feature wise at this point and if that's the ceiling (visually) for the Forza franchise on XboxOne, well I just don't know what to say but damn that's pretty underwhelming!

[Jakens]

Those can engine noises have actual an actual lion's roar built in. Can't wait for both games to shine. and for DriveClub, perhaps night races.

[hennessey86]

Canned engine noises, where has this crap come from. Fora has some of the most realistic sounding cars I've ever heard. They have proved with videos that they record the cars with about 20 mica at different areas of the car. Some cars sound a bit rubbish like the lower end cars but the ferraris and especially the mclaren f1 which is as close as I've heard in a video game. I play neither gt or fora any more, I've moved onto PC sims now. I just don't like misinformation, fora sound nothing like shift. Shift IS far to over done.

[gamer2013]

Another troll post.

[theWB27]

You're entitled to your own opinion...but this one wreaks of lunacy.

Compare-Maybe these two games are being compared because they are the only next gen "racing" titles. Every other next gen racer I've seen are more to the tune of Need for Speed. Like The Crew.

Lighting system- It may not have had day/night cycles but the lighting was pretty decent for that aging hardware.

Engine sounds- The best engine sounds on consoles. Is it overdone because it actually sounds like your pushing a 500hp vehicle to the limit? Have you heard a high performance engine in real life? Even the subdued engines sound decent.

Floaty feeling- I didn't get that. But I guess...to each his own.

Replay mode- I like GT's cinematic approach to replays more but to say it's poorly done is a little far fetched.

Forza 5 visually..what looks better at this point? Project Cars and maybe Assetto Corsa. We've still yet to see any other track on F5.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
If that doesn't look good to you then...idk.

Features- The ability to never have to drive against AI is a pretty good feature. We'll what else they have...if history is any indication we'll be ok on that front.

I figure you were trolling but I couldn't help myself in replying.

[Man-E-Faces]

The car sound in cockpit should be muffed, to not have a dynamic engine sound from cockpit to exterior view, bumper view etc. is not realistic and that annoys me personally and Forza is guilty of this with it's overblown samples in cockpit just like shift and from what I see so far PCars is taking a similar approach too but that doesn't suprise me as their the same shift devs. Forza 5 lack of dynamic weather day/night cycle is also a big letdown embarrassing really how can you claim to be an elite contender as a sim when you lack a real life time/weather system when GT5/6 has it from this current gen? Nope, sorry Forza 5 does not look good to me visually as a true next gen leap and that could be the XboxOne hardware or the engines poor lighting system as I have said it just doesn't sit right with me in my eyes. There's other little things that annoy me with Forza as well like the soundtrack that's not customizable in the menu of the game itself, small things like that add up to the entire experience and Forza for my taste is sour!

[theWB27]

Are you saying GT has better engine sounds? Seriously, have you heard a high powered engine before? I have and it can be downright deafening. GT engine sound is just as loud inside the car...it just isn't as ferocious as the other games.

Are you saying lack of weather as if GT has had it before their last game. It was only on a select amount of tracks that featured it.

Visually speaking you're ok with half of your cars not being true PS3 models, really just ramped up PS2 cars. You're ok with the horrible shadows and screen tearing GT has. You're ok with the pixelated dirt, rain and snow you got when driving in those conditions?

You complain about the sound but you care about music more than hearing the cars?

So having the other basic customization ability when it comes to cars doesn't bother you? I mean, it's such an advanced racer and you can't even swap out engines, apply any paint or decals or create your own.

If GT is your racer of choice it sounds like it's because it's exclusive to PS more so than being a good racer. GT5 had a TON of problems. Basic design issues that shouldn't have been there when it released. Even GT6 will have smaller customization options when it comes to Forza 4.

I won't keep going back and forth though as it seems like a bias more than anything else.
PS.
I accidentally hit agree, shoulda been a disagree.

[Man-E-Faces]

You call me bias but go on a GT5 hate tirade, what's going on there?
''Are you saying GT has better engine sounds?''

Never said that, as I actually feel neither Forza or GT have good samples but simply said the unnecessary overblown samples of Forza irritates me. And yes that's why I prefer a good soundtrack built into the game as I personally mute the engine sound lower and play the games or my custom playlist.

''Are you saying lack of weather as if GT has had it before their last game. It was only on a select amount of tracks that featured it. ''

I would rather have it on a select few tracks than not have it all, as the case with a supposed NEXT GEN TITLE! Oh and GT6 will be expanding upon those few from GT5 so what's the problem on the other side of the fence?

''Visually speaking you're ok with half of your cars not being true PS3 models, really just ramped up PS2 cars. You're ok with the horrible shadows and screen tearing GT has. You're ok with the pixelated dirt, rain and snow you got when driving in those conditions?''

No, I was not okay with the standards and cardboard cockpit cut outs, as for shadows and rain being pixilated it's not as bad as the haters would make it out to be and from the GT6 academy demo the pixilated shadow's looks to be a thing of the past. Again, I would rather have these blemishes on features than to not have the feature there at all.

''So having the other basic customization ability when it comes to cars doesn't bother you? I mean, it's such an advanced racer and you can't even swap out engines, apply any paint or decals or create your own.''

Don't care about pimping up my cars with decals and you can swap paint colors in GT5, don't know what you mean there. Engine swapping is something that would be nice but not a necessity to me, I would rather have the day/night cycle and weather conditions, Go Kart, Rally even if it's not the best it's still there in the game. Avatars, I love the emphasis on the Avatar in GT5 getting helmets and suits to customize my driver that's much more appealing to me than some robust decal feature.

''PS.
I accidentally hit agree, shoulda been a disagree.''
And? Good for you, happy now?

[ssj27]

It looks nice, but as a plastic toy, not photorealistic.

[WeAreLegion]

Go ahead. Fight now.

I can tell you which one will be more fun though. :)

[spaceg0st]

i definitely want driveclub to succeed, but there's no way it will rival forza5. One thing that bugs me from the demos in driveclub so far, is the oversteering. Just lightly adjusting ones car on the road causes the driver to yank the wheel in both directions. Racing is a bout the little corrections with the steering, small continuous adjustments. no YANKING! ;)

[Whitey2k]

hmm fanboy artical I still c there is more effects on drive club then forza

[WitWolfy]

I'll be downloading DC day one I buy my PS4. Seeing it will be a free game for us PS+ owners.. Which is a win win for us :)

[WhiskyWhiskers]

I love how easily Microsoft has brainwashed its devoted fans. Hear me out before you think I am just talking out my ass.

Driveatars have been apart of Forza since the Xbox, since the first Forza. The only difference now, is they are using the cloud to power them instead of the systems resources.

So how is that "Next Generation".. "The Future".. A feature that has been used for several years now? I also don't get you people acting like Forza fans but you are all acting like this Driveatar thing is completely new.. It has been out since 2005 on the first Forza there was. It is far from new.

You guys are either just playing fools or the idiotic I love Microsoft to death card and will eat shit from their hands if they fed it to me..

I am getting Forza but god damn stop bragging about this cloud and driveatars shit, no one really even used the driveatars before as most people just sucked at driving. Most people would just race their own AI because of that. Another thing is a lot of people hate the idea of a game playing by itself.. One reason I could never stand World of Warcraft. You could simply play the game without ever touching it. How fun!

So, sorry. There isn't shit yet that Microsoft has done that is proving that this cloud is going to make it so powerful.. Which it really isn't going to, just think about it. It isn't like they will offload every resources to a server.. Then it would basically be straight up streaming.. All you would need then is a good internet connection at that point. The Xbox One could be a piece of crap hardware wise and you could still stream games if you have decent enough internet.

Another thing is everyone will be jumping on the cloud train. Nintendo has been considering it and Microsoft and Sony already have it.. So why is it that everyone acts like Microsoft are the only ones capable of doing this anyway even though their claims don't even add up..? That is another annoying part.

[strifeblade]

sony does not have cloud it has gakai- its a cloud based videogame stream service. It cannot do cloud computation besides linking and matchmaking is about the only feature confirmed by yoshida- its laughable to compare azure which is a 10 billion dollar multifunction cloud system to gakai which is a 350 million dollar videogame stream service lol.

[s8anicslayer]

You know nothing and speak falseness! Yosh has confirmed PS4's cloud computing capabilities. In terms of cost unless you work directly on either project real numbers you'll never know.

[DarkHeroZX]

Sony already confirmed cloud computing.

http://news.softpedia.com/n...

However they stated there will be limits due to bandwidth which is something that will be the bottleneck for both PS4 and X1. Oh and don't confuse how much Sony bought Gaikai for how much it actually cost to get going.

[strifeblade]

Please do not test my intelligence- the amount of data centres available from sony is laughable- have you seen what gakai covers worldwide compared to microsoft's cloud? This is the reason every game on x1 can have dedicated servers for multiplayer while sony said nothing of the sort you know why? gakai is not a multifunctional cloud- the article you linked to me clearly stated from yoshida- linking and matchmaking- thats not the same as azure. Sony cannot provide dedicated servers for its devs- FYI IF SONY HAS CLOUD THEN WHY DOES SONY RENT DEDICATED SERVERS LOL. Sony fanboys are delusional to believe something like that.

[OldGirl]

Wrong.

Yoshida has confimed the PS4 and Gaikai can do cloud computing in the same manner. I love how all of you people constantly ignore this. You truly are brainwashed just like Whisky said. It has nothing to with being a fan boy or anything just look outside the box for once.

None of you even combated the fact Driveatars aren't anything new or special because they are being run from the cloud either. Just ignore that as well.

You just basically keep reciting what Microsoft has said during their conference without using any real information to back up your claims that Gaikai can't do the same thing.

When in fact the president of Sony has said that Gaikai can do cloud computing in the same way. Gaikai is much more advance than many of people are giving it credit for.

So what Microsoft will always have more money, anyone with a brain can see that doesn't always mean you are the best or will have the best experiences to offer. Xbox 360 was horrible when it first released, poorly made and so many RROD but wait I thought Microsoft had billions... Why would they make something that failed so often? They can't fail cause they have so much money right? Yet you guys are bragging about Microsoft like they are known for being reliable. They aren't anymore reliable than anyone else really.

Another huge factor is Microsoft is focusing so heavily on this cloud. So much so it could very much affect the games you play if these servers ever experience any trouble.

That is why I will prefer Gaikai, because Sony is not completely relying on Gaikai to make the PS4 more powerful. Not only do they have the same technology through Gaikai but they have a system with better hardware.

Sony is not making ridiculous claims about their cloud computing either. Microsoft is and they have yet to get into the details at all that explain how or why it is going to be so special. We all know it will free up resources that is what streaming is for but it would be nice to hear how this is going to improve games.

Driveatars being powered by the cloud is not some amazing achievement that is convincing me enough I am sorry.

So no mainly most of you responding are truly delusional. I am not saying Microsoft's cloud is going to be crappy either I am just saying you people are so blind that you honestly have that much faith in something that hasn't even be proven.

Azure this, Azure that and Microsoft has all these servers.. What else can you say that defends any of this from a technical stand point other than saying the same exact things Microsoft said at the Xbox One reveal?

It isn't like actual tech heads haven't already proven Microsoft claims are utter bullshit. I guess that isn't enough for anyone either. Since everyone seems to know so much about technology these days.. (that was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

@strifeblade

I will gladly test your intelligence. Cause it appears to be fairly low based on your own inability to do any form of actual research.

Let me ask you, why do you think Sony is charging for online now? For nothing? That might be the case for the PS3 but it won't be the case for the PS4. That is exactly why they had to change and require a fee for online infrastructure to support this new venture.

Sure.... I am certain they will just use all that money from new PS+ subscribers on the same servers they have been using for PS3. That makes complete sense (again sarcasm).

[OldGirl]

Here it is from the horses mouth. Here are links and quotes since no one wants to face the reality that Gaikai can in fact cloud compute in the same way the Xbox One's Azure cloud will.

He has even already confirmed they have already been using cloud computing and offloading features. Again the big difference is Sony is smart enough not to rely on purely the cloud.

"Sony Computer Entertainment's Shuhei Yoshida says that the PlayStation 4 can tap into similar technology, offloading processes that are typically handled locally to the cloud.

Yoshida said that of course PS4 developers will be able to take advantage of cloud-based computing for their titles."

"Linking, matchmaking…there are already many computations being done on the cloud side. We don’t believe every title needs that. But if your title needs [an] online connection to provide some online features: Go for it.”

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

http://gearnuke.com/sony-co...

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[strifeblade]

@oldgirl

I will gladly accept the challenge. First and foremost you have to know that sony does not have data centres worldwide. These cloud based computations cannot be provided without sufficient server support- THAT IS WHY SONY IS NOT TOUTING IT. Whats funny is you say sony says this sony says that- you forget that its PR bulls**t. sony does not have the infrastructure close to msoft 10 BILLION DOLLARS .

Why is Sony charging for online? lol you seem to think your money will be going to cloud support and somehow a 350 million dollar gakai will magically be better than a 10 billion dollar azure cloud service? What makes you think they will not pocket it and make profit? What makes you think that sony did not do it because they saw msoft have 40 million gold subscribers and thought hey the market accepts pay to play online and adopted the model for ps4 as an easy way to make profit? You dont know anything about business lol.

azure has been in development since 2002. Its the second largest cloud based service in the world next to amazon. No this is not pr bullshit its a fact. Next if you know something about gakai its a cloud based stream service- they have to completely restructure gakai to do cloud computations. You dont know anything about tech. WHY DO YOU THINK MSOFT IS ALLOWING 3RD PARTY TO ACCESS THEIR CLOUD TO MAKE DEDICATED SERVERS FOR GAMES WHILE SONY THEMSELVES RENT THESE SERVERS OUT? wHY IS IT THAT TITANFALL COMPLETELY RUNS OFF THE CLOUD? BUT WHEN TITANFALL GOES ON PS4 YOU THINK IT WILL RUN ON GAKAI? YOU ARE HILARIOUS. I will not even bother with ignorance. Go have fun taking sony's word as the bible- i know msoft makes outlandish claims as well- but i can decipher fact from fiction using a little research- you can benefit from the same lol.

[PrimeGrime]

I don't think typing in caps every time you say something is making anything you have to say more valid.

[DarkHeroZX]

Stifeblade please don't buy into the Cloud BS.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[slivery]

Why are people saying Driveclub is not a simulator? The developers have never once said that.

You can find many articles where they talk about this. Here is one. They have said numerous times that it is in fact a simulator but they wanted to keep it more fun at the same time.

"It’s something that’s grounded in the authentic world of simulation but toned back so it’s more fun, easier to get to grips with."

http://beefjack.com/news/dr...

So if you don't care to actually learn about the game please stop shitting all over it.

I am going to take Project Cars and Driveclub over Forza. Project Cars looks like a far better simulator than Forza ever was.. All the different styles of racing and still being a pure sim. It is an incredible looking game and they even said they plan to add rally racing in Project Cars later as if that wasn't enough when they have several different types already.

[theWB27]

This is why people are saying it's not a simulator.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

http://news.softpedia.com/n...

http://www.playstationlifes...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boa...

http://www.computerandvideo...

If it's a simulator then it's a simulator, if it's toned back then it's not. That's almost the same route GRID takes, or Shift. They weren't simulators but they also weren't Need for Speed or Burnout. Forza, GT, Assetto Corsa, Project Cars, Iracing are simulators.

[etownone]

Forza.... No doubt.

[pennywhyz]

Forza 5 . Assetto Corsa over any other sim without question.

[sly-Famous]

It does not matter because when GT7 comes out for the PS4 it will smoke them all besides GT6 on the PS3 gives these games a good run for there money.

[hennessey86]

I'm sorry but judging of PDs last effort they are stuck in the past, does it not annoy you with the amount of money they have made off GT they can't hire a decent sound engineer or pay for decent car licences . I mean you didn't get Ferrari until the PS3. People always talk about GTs sales and it does sell a lot, so why isn't that money being spent making GT the best again because to any none fanboy it isn't the best anymore, far from it. I spent an obscene amount of time on GT3, it's still one my favourite games of all time, PD need to get to that kind of level again where nothing comes close to what GT is. That's the level they were at with GT3, hell that game inspired Microsoft to make forza, that's how goodGT3 was. GT5 isn't nearly at that level.

[ssj27]

gt is all about gameplay, the most accurate realistic racer simulator .

[Minato-Namikaze]

Did you play GT with a wheel or regular controller? The game is Night and day depending on what you played with.

[D-riders]

its funny that people stopped comparing gt to forza and are not comparing it to a new ip. driveclub has more features from what i can tell.

[killcole]

Can't say I'm shocked at the verdict (Forza came out on top for those that didn't bother to read). I can't see anything taking Forza's spot in the Sim Racer genre for the forseeable future. I like how Drive Club were coming at it though. Instead of directly competing, they kind of looked to go around and make a better version of the not-as-popular Forza Horizon. Focusing on social cues as a point of sale.

Nice idea, but open world racers won't ever stand up in the sim world. Even outside of it. The last great open world racer I played was Midnight Club: Dub Edition. And I've had Burnout Paradise inbetween that too.

[imt558]

Think what you want, but in DriveClub everything is dynamic :
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[AceBlazer13]

forza? the blank disc?

[Thomper]

I really want to love Forza, and I quite enjoyed Forza horizons, but my fav racer of the last gen was Blur. Hardly a simulation, and that's probably why I like it!!

I drive a real car every day and whilst it has some great features, it refuses to fire missiles and lightning bolts at other road users.

Realism has it's place, but give me an arcade racer with crap physics any day!!

[fsydow1]

Stop comparing driveclub with forza ,lets rather compare GT6 1200 confirmed cars with Forzas 300 measly cars.Sorry but there is no comparison,GT6 will eat Forza for breakfast, lunch and supper.

[wishingW3L]

most of GT6's cars are PS2 ported cars... But GT series in general has always had much better driving than Forza though. The reason Forza always scores better as it's because of the superior online system and aerodynamic customization.

IGN says it the best:

"Gran Turismo 5 is a 10/10 simulator wrapped up in a 5/10 game – driving is as exhilarating as anything that’s gone before, and slavish obsession with the minutiae of many of its cars ensure it's an encyclopaedia of automotive delights."
http://www.ign.com/articles...

[FunkMacNasty]

fsydow,

GT6:
1200 cars
-900 will be "standard" cars
-800 will be Nissan Skyline variants
-500 will be Honda Civic or Acura Integra variants
=300 cars I'd be interested in Driving in-game

Forza:
300 cars
-300 will be fully rendered and feature a cockpit view
-300 cars that are of much greater variety in terms of manufacturers, models, and classic/vintage vehichles
=300 cars I'd be interested in driving in-game

Sorry but If your gonna say GT is the better game, you're better off bringing up dynamic weather, night racing, larger variety of motorsports.. but don't use the in-game cars as an example. Forza takes a piss all over GT in the cars department.

[imt558]

GT6:
1200 cars
-900 will be "standard" cars
-800 will be Nissan Skyline variants
-500 will be Honda Civic or Acura Integra variants
=300 cars I'd be interested in Driving in-game

You wrote bunch of crap, dude.

[Flames76]

No racing game on any platform can touch Forza

[josephayal]

Gimme DriveClub

[wishingW3L]

the outcome was obvious.

The Verdict:

"Forza 5 is far and away the superior racer when it comes to living up to the promises of next-gen. It looks better, feels better, handles better, and being part of an established franchise means it’s sure to find a strong and dedicated playerbase."

Forza is a 1st class driving game while Driveclub is looking like a mediocre 3rd class game. A new MotorStorm game with the better specs of the PS4 would have been sooooooooooooooo EPIC!

[devilhunterx]

Nex-Gen Motorstorm please.

[Master-H]

The new Need for Speed looks better than both , in my opinion , first time i seen a Ferrari in a NFS , i enjoy arcady type of racers more.

[feraldrgn]

Can we have the face-off once both games are actually finished please?

This is pointless.

[FunkMacNasty]

I am looking forward to Drive Club, but will miss Forza 5 terribly, as I have NO plans to support Microsoft after the whole fiasco. GT5 was a major dissapointment to me when I finally got to play it. If you ask me, Turn 10 does a racing game right. I can't think of a single thing that GT or any other racing game this gen has done better than Forza 4. It was nice to have weather and night-driving in GT, but the fact that ever other car I unlocked (or wanted to buy) was a "standard" car (including some of my most favorite cars of all time).. and I'm a cockpit driver, through and through in racing games. Plus, the level of aesthetic and technical customization you can do in Forza is mind blowing... way better than only being able to put on rims, change the paint job, and wash the car at the GT garage.

A lot of people on this site just blindly (and i mean COMPLETELY blindly!!) hate on Forza because its an Xbox exclusive. And it's funny because you can tell by many comments that they've NEVER played a forza game!

[urwifeminder]

First rule of drive club remove the disc replace with forza 5 never mention it again.

[stage88]

Second rule, dont even buy Forza 5 and buy the vastly superior GT6 instead.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Im willing to bet that Forza will continue down the same ole' path while Drive Club will truly give you that feeling of playing a fresh Next Gen driving expierence... and I don't even give a s#!t about driving games!

[Rob4]

driveclub is all ill play

[isarai]

Simulator Vs Arcade racer? yeah that comparison makes sense :/

[Foxhound922]

Driceclub graphics look a lot better and more immersive. Who knows about gameplay though, common sense tells me I would have to play them both before we can declare a winner.

[F4sterTh4nFTL]

Forza 5 = 90+ game

Gran Turismo 6 = 80-89 game

Drive Club = 70-79 game

[jerethdagryphon]

just an aside the forza series has sold 10 milion units so far.... so has gt5.....

is it good yes but it isnt the be all and end all when gt7 comes out or gt6 ps4 then compare them dc isnt a sim

[Pieman523]

Both look good. Will be buying Forza at launch.

[Pintheshadows]

I don't know why Drive Club is getting so much hate on here.

This is off screen footage (the best quality I have found) and it looks lovely. The wave coming in, the hills in the distance, the crowds, the changing aspect of the sun and the detail it reveals on the surface of the road, and most of all the beautiful car model.

[fr3d0]

driveclub will have better graphics

[Thomaticus]

I think it's much too earlier to make this type of assessment of the two driving games. I need to know what tracks the games will feature, how many cars (which cars); and other things that will affect the game. I'm getting a PS4, and will end up getting driveclub for free, so hopefully it turns out good. Every new console that released, should always have a decent racing game to go along with its release.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Word is Driveclub will be finished before they release it, which is good.

[stage88]

It doesn't matter.

GT6 will annihilate both of them.

[thisismyaccount]

Sim Racer!
http://is.gd/8dRhif

Gran Turismo "Prologue" up to 5 mio. Copies world wide, Full version of any GT up to 10 mio.

Forza Fan :
Yeah! But you can´t put stickers on your car in Gran Turismo! hahahaha

[reaperofsouls]

i take it that these are the result of drive club on ps4 vs forza 5 on high on end PC

[thisismyaccount]

DP!

[Destrania]

Forza looks plastic and fake and isn't bringing anything new to the table (especially for a next-gen title) with its 5th installment, while DriveClub actually looks real and is truly bringing a next-gen experience along with it. Wash+Rinse+Repeat=M$. Xbots are so deluded it's absurd.