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Microsoft and Sony will eventually revert their game ownership policies, what matters is how

Polygon: "Microsoft's flip-flop on its controversial game licensing policy, which would have restricted game ownership on the Xbox One, is a well-deserved, albeit ephemeral, win for consumer rights.

That will change, both for the worse and for the better. Microsoft's shift in direction is the best proof of how, when it comes to DRM, even one of Earth's largest companies will find a way to be agile."

GDDR6_20143963d ago

They don't need to do anything, eventually all games will be released digital only

xHeavYx3963d ago

The Xbox is the only console built for DRM and other evilness

CRAIG6673963d ago

How do you know that? I am almost certain Sony are just as prepared for DRM as any other company moving into to the future...

HammadTheBeast3963d ago

Because although they patented it before MS, they said they had no plans for it at all. Meanwhile, MS has only backed off because of negative press and bad pre-orders, if that changes, they might "accidentally" flip the switch.

aquamala3963d ago

@CRAIG667

like OP said, no additional DRM are needed, just make games digital only, digital games are already locked to your account and you can't sell or trade it in.

BattleAxe3963d ago

"They don't need to do anything, eventually all games will be released digital only"

This will only happen if the console manufacturers and game publishers see the demand for digital downloads. The fact that MS has backed down from their DRM policies shows that people understand what is happening in the world today, and it shows that with anti-consumer policies, even the mightiest of companies will destroy themselves if they go against what consumers want.

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rainslacker3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

I agree. Let the transition happen naturally. They can speed it along by finding ways to make it more attractive. In order to make it more attractive it has to remove most of the negatives of DD.

In the end, retail will still exist for quite some time. The two markets can coexist, and there's no real reason to restrict one to promote the other.

I really don't understand all these articles which see retail as a bad thing. It's a natural and instinctive way for people to buy games. The vilifying of retail is going way too far.

bonafide7323963d ago

Me either
its gonna happen naturally but dont try to force one upon the other
retail isnt going anywhere for awhile
it just isnt

Corpser3963d ago

So true now that next gen consoles will have minimum 500GB and the tech that lets you start playing while downloading the game

HammadTheBeast3963d ago

Polygon's so stupid.

Also, just pointing out, the Xbox One still has the capabilities to pull off DRM/Used games restrictions, only a day one software patch is allowing those. Any day now, I see them reverting.

Or maybe not.

August 21 Gamescom 2013 - Sony Exclusive Guns Coming Out

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Godmars2903963d ago

But at this point MS can only reinstitute DRM before launch. Afterwards and especially a few months or years later there's going to be too many systems offline for them to simply say "you must do things this way".

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extermin8or3963d ago

oooh day before my birthday :) what I neat present that could be :p

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Transporter473963d ago

Sony revert something they never intended i see what you did there.

Ezz20133963d ago

it's Polygon
what did you expect ?!

Sarobi3963d ago

Give a year or two down the road and you'll have your answer to just how it'll be back.

Godmars2903963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

How is it that Sony gets repeatedly lumped in with MS's mistakes?

Sure we're never going to know if they would have gone through with their DRM plans if MS hadn't been both obvious and incompetent in how they handled theirs, but still.

When Sony makes a mistake or seems to, its only Sony's mistake. But when MS makes one Sony gets mentioned by default.

I mean to this day BR was seen as pointless when first introduced, and yet MS compensated for the lack of a HD disc format at least three times. Two of which required major rewrites of the 360's system OS and how they handled games entirely.

WalterWJR3963d ago

They don't,, this site is funded by Microsoft.
They are paid to talk crap basically.

Tyre3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

@WalterWJR Well Said! The spindoctors and selffulfilling prophecy attempters are at it again trying to confuse and brainwash gamers in favor of the greedy. Yes that includes the über-projector & King of the DRM & Micro-Transactions MS Drone Clifford Blezinski (which already ruined his own Gears of War & most games). All pathetic attemps to justify their own greedy policies. Instead making a heartfelt & honest excuse to the gamer community...they act like we are guilty of something? The well known fingerpointing instead of acknowledging their own wrong. So dissapointing. It's quite simple, we refuse to buy in to this...they all should be thinking about a fair balance between customer & company. They just provide an entertainmentservice not a lifesaving heart surgery operation service. Why in the hell are they so arrogant & demanding of customers? We all should see through their sleezy slick talk & con attempts.

FamilyGuy3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

I agree, I'm getting tired of reading articles like this. Every negative thing about MS is instantly put on Sony in a "They'll probably do it too" sort of spin.

These companies and most of their policies are completely different.

Why o why3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

The 360 drm pushers were soooo hoping sony would follow suit to justify their 'them to' claims. Now they're moved to saying its going to happen....pathetic..... 7 years of 'its going to happen' ....I'm already bored after 7 days. Obviously its the future but ms aren't the deciders on when

Tyre3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

@Familyguy They brought this on to themselves....what is wrong with you? Low attention-span/Low stamina? You ain't married to Microsoft are you? Is your life depending on their succes? Also the gaming industry isn't dependant on Microsoft's succes. Microsoft wanted to hijack the industry/our hobbies/licences if they succeeded with their closed system everybody in the industry would be in their control. Xbone was exposed as a big scheme and rightly so. But Microsoft kept talking vague or flat out denying. We gamers kept seeing through their lies and rightly so. The thing is Sony was just more straightforward and never spindoctered at all. They had the gamers in mind and a fair deal for the customer....hell even the policies & the price($399) were internally decided (with the gamers in mind) before MS even announced their Xbone & policies/price.

FamilyGuy3963d ago

Tyre, what are going on about?
We're on the same page, was my comment difficult to understand? I'm definitely not on MSs side lol, look at my account/history.

What I said was games journalist are full of sh** because they constantly try to push MSs crappy tactics and faults onto Sony.

For example: Sony from the start explained that they wouldn't force any drm, that it would basically just be (something like) online passes again. When Mircosofts DRM and restrictions came out everyone completely forgot what Sony had already stated and crappy games journalist started Claiming Sony would follow suit.

This article is continuing that trend, even after Sony has shown and proven that they are vastly different from MS and are taking a much more consumer friendly approach. I'm tired of reading articles like this and I wish I could down vote the site again. They're pathetic.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 2h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle13h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188110h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio10h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning775h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga13h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218312h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga11h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus235h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv725h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10115h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos15h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-4h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac14h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10114h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic12h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead5h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 11h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken22h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 8h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 7h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 8h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 4h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 6h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 6h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 23h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 20h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 17h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 11h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 12h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 8h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 20h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 6h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 6h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger3h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 22h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 21h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 18h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 21h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 20h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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