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Digital Foundry: Hands-on with PS4 Games at E3 | 1080p60 dream, 30fps reality?

Digital Foundry" :It's Sony's time to shine. After a generation that kicked off with compromised multi-platform ports mixed in with some ground-breaking first-party efforts on PS3, there's a sense that it could retake a position of supremacy in the console arena by virtue of the new console's rock-solid core specs. And that's before we factor in the goodwill pouring out from enthusiast gamers because of its decision to stick with existing DRM standards. Unlike many of Microsoft's show-floor demos this E3, however, the use of genuine PS4 hardware among all developers also gives us a far more honest insight into the console's potential, despite making for a brace of nail-biting "will it? won't it?" moments during its conference."

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FrigidDARKNESS3964d ago

Lol no 60fps but graphics visuals are great.

NewMonday3964d ago

Infamous Second Son even impressed the ever cynical Eurogamer, my hype for this game keeps building up.

dcbronco3964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

Sounds like the Emotion Engine thing all over again. And Eurogamer has been riding Sony hard the last few months. If they have been cynical it would be about One.

bicfitness3964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

http://gamingeverything.com...

"Sony actively pushing for 1080p, 60 FPS"

2nd crop of games will have this as a standard. At the risk of repeating myself, devs weren't aware of 8 GB GDDR5 until February. They were making engines to work on 2 GB or thereabouts. That would affect everything from texture quality to at what point/ or if vsync can be enabled.

Edit: "We leave Sony's E3 booth undoubtedly impressed, with two key takeaways in light of the Xbox One's rivalling offerings. Firstly, though almost all launch titles on show appear to be running directly from PS4 hardware."

That's the important bit. No smoke and mirrors or PCs with Titan cards. REAL demos.

Convas3964d ago

Digital Foundry confirmed that Ryse, Forza 5, and Killer Instinct were running on actual Xbox One hardware.

dcbronco3964d ago

Almost all is not all so one can assume the better ones are not. I will say it wasn't known that the would have 4 more gigs of RAM. But they know that now and they still say 60fps is a target, not a guarantee. If PS4 is soooo powerful, they should be saying games will be. MS is showing 1080p 60fps games. You can claim that they are not running on One hardware, but the same can be said for Sony games.

Hopefully once games start coming out Sony fans won't keep claiming that power advantage if One games are 1080/60 while PS4 games are 1080/30. Though I'm sure most will.

TIER1xWOLFPACKx3964d ago

@convas it was reported though that killer instinct runs at 720p 60fps

porter4703964d ago

the amount of RAM means nothing if the CPU and GPU can't process the data fast enough

green3964d ago

@ TIER1xWOLFPACKx "it was reported though that killer instinct runs at 720p 60fps" that is false.

"The Xbox One hardware is visibly active, almost certainly pushing out 1080p at 60 frames per second. There is no tearing, and the only dips in response come from changing to each character's more effects-heavy ultra mode. Visually, the highlight is the crazy explosions of lit particles on the fireball-style fire attack from Jago, and the smashing slabs on the floor. We've never seen this excess of on-screen particles in the current generation of console hardware and the effect is fantastic."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

bicfitness3964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

@ convas

And today we discovered THAT THERE IS NO ACTUAL X1 HARDWARE AND THAT EVEN THE "DEV KITS" ARE JUST PCS USING 700 SERIES NVIDIA CARDS.

http://n4g.com/news/1284981...

Read the whole article. Even Turn 10 was pulling a fast one. There is no way that final X1 games will look as polished as they do in a PC environment with a GPU and likely CPU (i7) of that magnitude. This will be worse than Kinect from announcement > output.

No_Limit3964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

@bicfitness, Wrong!

your linked to the picture was the setup for a game called Lococycle that was the only game that ran on PC with Nvidia card because that game has yet to be ported to the Xbox1. The rest of the games for XB1, mostly third party games were running on Xbox One dev kits and not high end PCs. MS first party games like Forza 5, KI3, and Ryse were already seen and confirmed to be running on actual XB1 hardware.

Here is the link with pictures that debunked your story: http://www.forzacentral.com...
"The Xbox One games at E3 were running on Xbox One dev kits and not high end PCs. A particular developer showing off the game Lococycle did not finish porting their game to Xbox One so they ran their games on PCs at the event.
The lead for the developer below confirming they were the only ones at the event doing it and they were doing it on there own. There is another guy who was behind the scenes at E3 and said that the games were running on Xbox Ones and the crashes proved it. Another picture shows the game RYSE running on Xbox Ones on the floor and a video shows the UI run on a Xbox One showing off features on camera."

Truehellfire3964d ago

Like Porter stated, RAM has nothing to do with rendering power. RAM is a completely different part of the architecture and does not directly effect framerates and rendering power.

ABizzel13964d ago

Killer Instinct is a 2D fighting game, Forza is a racing game and as expected most if not all racing games will be running 60fps.

"If the Xbox One can run it 1080p @ 60fps, then the PS4 can as well".

"If the PS4 struggles to run it 1080p @ 60fps, the the X1 will be 720p @ 60fps."

"If the PS4 struggles to run it 720p @ 30fps, the the X1 will be struggling to run the game at playable framerates."

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MikeMyers3964d ago

How can that be when N4G developers have been saying the PS4 is easy to develop for and 50% more powerful than the Xbox One?

2014 will be the year I buy a PS4. The launch line-up isn't all that impressive to me and some of the games I'm looking forward to like Infamous: Second Son won't be unt next year. This year the PS3 is looking really good.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF3964d ago

Uh oh... Next gen games at only 30fps so far? Some dipping into the 20's? Killzone with input lag again on the controls?

Well at least the games are going to look pretty to start with for the PS4... who needs or wants fast crisp controls anyways.

starchild3964d ago

I told people not to expect 1080p/60fps on next gen consoles. We will probably see more 60fps games this gen than last, but the majority will be 30fps.

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No_Limit3964d ago

Wait, I thought the PS4 with its 8gb GDDR5, 1.84TFLOPS, 50% power advantage can do 120fps and 1080p on all games?? I kid, I kid. inFamous Second Son looks great, thought it was a launch title but that is one game I surely want when I purchase my PS4 next year. Next gen is almost here, great time!

bicfitness3964d ago

You realize that PS developers didn't even know that they had 8 GB until February and many of these games were years in development. KZ: SF was initially made with 2-4 in mind. They can't just "presto" the whole engine to work with a greater pool of resources without building the game again.

FrigidDARKNESS3964d ago

Apparently all that was just PR and lies to hype the cosole. I knew something was fishy when every ps4 site kept posting that 50-60% more powerful. After all my experienve selling hi end audio video never buy product on paper specifications.

Irishguy953964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

Only people who don't understand what the 1.8TFLOPS and 8gb actually do...will attempt to say it means 1080p and 60FPS. Any game can easily be at that rez and FPS. However, visual fidelity will drop with it. Even Ps3 could run at that level...however...again, the games would not look 'next gen' at all.

Seriously, I mean..look at the comments "Devs didn't even know about the extra RAM". Yeah...so what? The extra RAM certainly won't be enough to have a drastic difference in FPS. Ram doesn't work that way...sure, why not rerelease the Ps3 with 8Gb GDDR5? I'm sure that could push out Kz: shadowfall visuals right? Geez. More RAM is not that significant, especially when the system had enough RAM to utilize the components in the first place. Sony stated it as straightforward as they could be, they only put in the extra 4GB's because MS had 8GB.

tetsuhana3964d ago

They went with 8gb because that's what developers wanted.

http://www.playstationlifes...

HiddenMission3964d ago

@Irishguy95

I think you're the one who doesn't understand what the 1.8 TFLOPS and 8 gigs of GDDR5 RAM actually does. One has to do with the amount of processing data and the other has to do with speed of which random data can be accessed.

Yes PS3 could run 1080p at 60 FPS hell they have a game that already does that. What this extra power does is make it so developers don't have to pick and choose as much with what added visual fidelity that they want included.

Give it another year or two of games on the PS4 and you will see most running in 1080p at 60 FPS.

Also like above pointed out they didn't go to 8 gigs because of MS they did it because of feedback from the devs.

Oh and by the way optimization of the hardware also plays a huge role...look at Uncharted 1 to the Last of Us same devs, same engine but the refinement made worlds of difference.

Not trying to attack you just trying to point out that those to tech specs actually have a drastic impact on the future performance of games.

starchild3964d ago

Guys, quit saying that crap. It's ignorant.

If the PS4 is 50% more powerful and the Xbox One is the baseline developers have to target, that won't be enough of a performance gulf to reach 60fps on PS4.

For example, if one graphics card reaches 30fps on a certain game and another card is 50% more powerful that would mean that it would be averaging about 45fps on the same game.

Where do people get this idea that 50% more performance will give you twice the framerate?

LightofDarkness3964d ago

Well, they're launch games, so these problems are to be expected. They didn't even have final hardware until the last month or so, so they obviously will have to optimize for the actual target hardware now.

I don't imagine any of the big exclusive launch titles will hit 60FPS, but they should be able to iron out any glitches and rendering artifacts while hitting a stable 30FPS.

inFamous looks to be the real deal, though. It may well be that "Gears of War" moment like last gen, the game that really shows us what's possible in this generation and clearly distinguishes itself from anything the previous console was capable of.

Convas3964d ago

"When it comes to the state of software development on PS4, the situation as it stands is surprising. On the one hand, freely playable first-party titles such as Knack and DriveClub suffer from noticeable frame-rate stutters down from 30fps, while on the other, "hands off" demos for the new Infamous and Assassin's Creed games appear to run without a perceptible hitch. This is in stark contrast to the playable software confirmed to be running direct from Xbox One hardware, such as Forza Motorsport 5 and Killer Instinct, which benefit to no end for targeting the 1080p60 gold standard, and largely succeed in doing so."

Infamous: SS sounding like the most solid of the PS4 games right now and it's not even a launch title. D:

windblowsagain3964d ago

Seems like early days for alot of these games on the PS4, alot of them are most likely new engines that are not tuned at all.

Evolution devs stated they were finding it strange to come from PS3 code.

V-sync @30fps means it can go higher but it's being held.

Of course v-sync at 60fps would be sweet.

I thought forza5 looked great as did ryse and killer instinct. How long have these games been in production i don't know. And maybe DX helps.

But i look forward to seeing what's on offer.

wishingW3L3964d ago (Edited 3964d ago )

Everybody no matter if you have a 1080p TV or a 720p TV will benefit from the 1080p resolution in newer games because of the super sampling. So to me it'd be better if they aim for high resolutions first and then if they have enough juice left then go for higher frame-rate.

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mkis0075h ago

Such a good game to me. Crazy how different peoples opinions can get.

Crows905h ago(Edited 5h ago)

For me it wasn't that surprising. There was some bad press before. There's also the matter and element of a person's disposition when trying out a certain game. Sometimes you're just not really into the type of game that you're playing so you put it down because you don't like it. Not necessarily because it's a bad game but because you're just not up for something like this. Reviewers have a tough because no matter what they feel like playing they've got to play what's releasing.

I have many times gone back to games that I put down only to thoroughly enjoy them the second time around because either there wasn't another exciting game coming out around the same time or I just had no other games to play and haven't played that type of game in a while. I'm not the type of person that can just play a souls game through all this iterations one after the other without getting burnt out on the formula.

In my opinion this game was great from the start. Some bugs here and there but nothing worse than the most AAA releases during the same time after and before. All I did was wait one week and I had a phenomenal time with the game. No other zombie survival game comes close to how I thoroughly enjoyed this one

-Foxtrot3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Yeah I thought it was pretty decent, it had its flaws but for their first big console single player open world game it's a solid 8/10.

I have never seen an AAA "zombie" game feature as many enemies as the horde sections did, you really had to think about your surroundings and plan carefully.

I feel journalists had an issue with this game from the moment it was announced, they really didn't like the Biker characters and the overall Biker gang theme. If they were anything else I feel it would have had a better chance or at least they'd overlook some of the flaws like they do for certain other open world games. They don't mind waiting weeks or months for a patch knowing its coming but a game that has it Day 1 it's suddenly a big no no? Yeah this was one of those moments that showed you how they cherry pick who to suddenly decide to go harsh on when they want to.

mkis0073h ago

Ill never forget the reviewer who tried to claim the "ride me like you ride your bike" line was anything but a joke...they (sarah and deacon) explicitly call it a joke and the reviewer still misinformed the reader about it as if it was a literal thing.

Michiel19893h ago

the score on metacritic is 71 from journos, its 9 points lower than your review so stop making stuff up. They didn't hate it from the start, they on average just liked it slightly less than you.

-Foxtrot3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

@Michiel1989

I'm not making anything up, they held a grudge against it and made stuff up themselves like mkis007 has just pointed out. That 71 on Metacritic is why it didn't get a sequel.

Anyway how can I make anything up when I didn't even mention metacritic in my original post?

Leeroyw5h ago

Second act of that game far surpassed the first. Which is why people felt it didn't live up to the hype of the trailers. Personally I loved it. But it was a slog to get your bike and weapons up to skill.

Inverno4h ago

Was gonna post a brick wall of text but I'll keep it short. Pardon my French but f**k the media for the hate they gave this game. If you have a PC to play it on you can get it as low as 10 bucks, and if you have a PS then it's a no brainer. Totally worth a play.

phatak4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I don't even comment here often but had to for this game, I still stand by my opinion that this was one of the top 10 games of the ps4 generation, I preferred days gone over god of war, horizon and last of us 2, the launch version was definitely piss poor and that messed up the reviews for this game, honestly some games deserve a re-review or post patch review as the metacritic score stays forever but the reality is its not even the same game anymore, the ps5 patch is amazing and the pc version which I play on nowadays is one of the best looking games ever, complete shame that we wont get a sequel, god of war got one, horizon got one, last of us got one, spider man got one,ghosts of tshushima about to get one but this game wont get one, sucks to be honest.

Ps3/360 era had some hidden underated games for me it was shadows of the damned, alice madness returns that deserved more sales and a sequel/ higher scores, and similarly for the ps4 era it was days gone, and dying light 1 that deserved much more love, dying light atleast got a sequel, everyone needs to play this game once and judge for themselves, for me its officially the most underrated game of the ps4 era, go play it if you haven't.

andy854h ago

Awesome game. Just bought it for my laptop last week

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