Microsoft Says Windows 7, Nvidia GTX PCs At E3 Were Xbox One Dev Kits

Gaming Blend "We, the gaming public have finally received some kind of answer to the conundrum that was the Xbox One scandal of the decade (even though it really wasn't). Microsoft was reached out to over the weekend to gather a response and some sort of explanation to clarify what was going on with those Windows 7 PCs that were running Nvidia GTX 780s for several Xbox One games."

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DxTrixterz1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

This PC like X1 dev kit actually looked better than the actual X1 console and this quote

Now, according to the developers of Lococycle, the game that was running at the kiosk where the pictures were taken of the Windows 7 PCs with GTX cards, they were simply running the game native since they didn't have time to code to a dev kit for E3

You mean M$ did not have 'real' X1 dev kit ready for X1 at the biggest game convention of the year? OMG. Also I've noticed there is no mention of kinect? Hmm M$ scared of somebody saiyng 'Xbox Off' and ruining their shows?

iGAM3R-VIII1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

lol I do not see how they were dev kits when they had Nvidia in them and the X1 has an AMD. I have seen MS lie quite a lot now and I do not know if I should believe them or not.

"You mean M$ did not have 'real' X1 dev kit ready for X1 at the biggest game convention of the year?"

That is a good point and seems very likely

jmc88881733d ago

Remember those lies when they say 'trust us' when it comes to Kinect.

dedicatedtogamers1733d ago

@ jmc8888

Yeah, I'm still waiting to scan in my skateboard, talk to Milo (or see ANY of that demonstration used in a Kinect game), swing my arms to accurately swing a lightsaber, and all that other stuff they promised. It still hasn't happened. They're simply re-packaging those promises and using it to sell Kinect 2.0

"We promise, guys! We'll get it right THIS time! Spend $500 on a new system and we'll prove it to you!"

JokesOnYou1733d ago

Yeah Ok from William Usher the same guy I remember bashing Halo3 constantly while promoting Haze, sure if you say so.

"And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit."

HammadTheBeast1733d ago


Jokes, please try and explain why they faked the Kinect presentations.

Ju1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Nice link to Eurogamer. Not sure if discrediting the author serves the cause here. I agree with this:

Software running on genuine, visible Xbox One hardware falls in with a small first-party club, including titles like Forza Motorsport 5, Killer Instinct and Ryse. Each plays at a promised 1080p native resolution, with the former two targeting 60fps as well, both of which show huge promise as launch titles, covering off the racing and fighting genres quite nicely. The lack of games optimised to this point on actual Xbox One hardware is worrying, but even so, if the E3 demos are at all indicative, fans of zombie action games and rail-shooters should also be very well catered for when the hardware launches.

If anything, MS pulled a blunt lie suggesting they have actually more games on the actually HW than there is. 3 games only running natively? That's not a whole lot. Forza I can believe runs fine at [email protected] - heck, GT6 does that on the PS3 - Killer Instinct is a fighting game, and Ryse pushes all detail into one (main) character model - everything around looks blunt. I am surprised this isn't coming up more. IMO this is quite significant.

I am really curious how devs can disclose performance numbers but can't show the game on actual HW (I speculate they have it running on the PS4 and use those numbers as ballpark numbers, and probably have some part of it running on dev X1 in the "lab").

We saw "prototype" HW before (PowerMac for 360 - but they ran at least the same chips) - or target renders (KZ2) - but never do I remember was one platform sold as another. Nobody has yet tried to pull that off.

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lomion51733d ago

Speaking of trusting Microsoft, go to google and type "the Xbox one is" and look at the suggested searches. Now go to bing and do the same thing. Yep.

SilentNegotiator1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Nvidia dev kits for an AMD console? Yeah, that makes sense. lol

Microsoft is caught in yet another lie.

BTW, I know it has been said, but hey, hey! Microsoft doesn't even use Windows 8!

pete0071733d ago

Youre a f***ng moron! Dev kits have been leaked for the past 2 years, even sold on eBay and your Holly stupidity is telling you they dont have dev kits!!!
All PS3/4 games are made on Pc. And so what? Are you not pissing Well because of a devkit?

horndog1733d ago

OH NO!!!! OH NOS!!!!!! The sky is falling lol

BallsEye1733d ago

so fools like you won't have something more to b!tch about if alpha stage hardware fails, which is normal.

Haules1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

So the devKit is a PC using a 780GTX? 4 times faster then X1 GPU (AMD gpu)?

Devkit uses high end Nvidia cards while the X1 uses midrange AMD card... Who are you trying to fool MS?

Keep laying MS keep laying.

gedapeleda1733d ago

Probably didn't have stable internet at e3.

loulou1733d ago

so they showed some first party games on x1 HW, yet for n4g, lets just forget that fact and concentrate on something, no anything negative.

pixelsword1732d ago (Edited 1732d ago )

Reach for dem straws, Microsoft.

Kaneda1732d ago

Every company lies to promote their product! Nothing new, you just have to do some search...

superkidcupid131730d ago

well one of the articles i read a few weeks back on n4g said that nvidia was suporting the x1 but i dnt know exactly how they were going about on supporting them....maybe x1 could have nividas...who knos these days

The_Con-Sept1728d ago

I call bs on this. If that is a dev kit then I'd rather buy that to play xb180 games.

Besides they didn't require the Kinect to run games.

(Oh come on that was funny!)

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-Mika-1733d ago

Do you even understand what you just wrote. According to your quote. The developers did not have enough time to get the demo of their game up and running on XB1 hardware so they used a pc to demo their game.

So Im not understanding how this is MS fault. That is pretty much the developers fault.

Mr_Nuts1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Do YOU understand what you write 95% of the time

infamousinfolite1733d ago

"Do you even understand what you just wrote. According to your quote. The developers did not have enough time to get the demo of their game up and running on XB1 hardware so they used a pc to demo their game.

So Im not understanding how this is MS fault. That is pretty much the developers fault."

Blind Loyalty to Microsoft.

In other words, that may be true but this comment to me seems a bit off and I don't think it has to do with any of the developers.

Mikeyy1733d ago

The point is, Microsoft is lying, again. A PC was used, NOT an XBone Dev kit.

Narutone661733d ago

To Mika, MS is always blameless. Just check his/her comments history, corporate shill/Reputation Manager or whatever you want to call it, comes to mind.

Ju1733d ago

You don't see the significance in this? Really? If they are so far behind that they can't run the game now that doesn't really give them a whole lot of time to get this game ready for launch suggesting MS is actually further ahead than they really are.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1733d ago

Report mika and jokes on you as spam and move on.

SilentNegotiator1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Learn to scroll your window. There's a second picture.

Oh right, it's MIKA. Troll extraordinaire. Intentionally saying exactly what will solicit angry responses.

Death1733d ago

Early Dev kits are PC's. This isn't something new. "Official" dev kits are released as the hardware is finalized and reaches production status. These dev kits are still PC based, but include most of the dedicated hardware too. If you see a modified console running games with extra wires on it, that is a debug unit used to test pre-production software.

There is no deception here, you are simply seeing software during the development process.

fr0sty1733d ago

Death, you're full of shit.

Devkits are always based on similar hardware. An AMD GPU/CPU running on windows 8 is nothing similar to an Nvidia GPU running on windows 7. It makes no sense whatsoever to create your game on a much more powerful architecture from a PC GPU manufacturer, then port to an AMD chip that is less powerful. If anything that would hold back game development, as it wouldn't give the developers a realistic picture as to what they can expect from final hardware.

Ju1730d ago

In all honesty the reality isn't so black and white. A lot (gameplay) can be developed on PCs. It's just faster to debug. But eventually you need real HW to see the result on the platform of choice. PCs are used for rapid prototyping and for everything which is not performance critical. Most of the tools and middleware runs on both. Yet, it means that the game can usually be deployed to the target in parallel. Thus HW must actually exist other wise you really need to port to that in the last second which can produce unpredictable results and cause delays.

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SephirothX211733d ago

A GTX 780 is a lot more powerful than the Xbox One graphics card. The DirectX 11 api abstracts away from the graphics card drivers so it is understandable how it was an NVidia gpu instead of an AMD one but this is a disgrace nonetheless.

liorishot1733d ago

A gtx 780 makes the xbox one GPU look like 2006

DJMarty1733d ago

Don't Xbots get sick of MS smoke & mirrors.

Hozi1732d ago

Maybe MS's box can't do the graphical feats PS4 can and they didn't want to look bad so they amped up the graphics and really it was PC footage all along they made to look like xbox.

I'm just saying...

BattleTorn1733d ago

They didnt show Kinect at all because in year previous it has been one of the biggest complaints from gamers.

infamousinfolite1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

I think Microsoft wasn't going to show it anyway. When they came out during their press conference a month ago many have wondered 'where is the games' and during E3 Microsoft focused on games they said 'here we got games this one and this one and this one' (question is which of those games are going to be a AAA title, the gamer's game the one you go back to all the time) they were trying to win back the gamer's attention as it were for the 360.


that complaint only came about over the years because MS kept telling us it had real value to core games.

year after year we have seen it fail at this.

Rise was suppose to showcase this... so now they have an even more advanced version of kinect, kinect2.0 and still they could not make it do anything more impressive then voice commands and hand gestures. Yet now we don't even have a choice of buying it or not.

just another promise that ms has failed at, yet again.

BattleTorn1733d ago


I think they've realized that core gamer, or at the very least the majority of those who watch E3, really don't want to play, or again at the very least be shown how to play, a game standing up with body motions.

Ryse was intended to be built for Kinect when it original was announced few years ago. I think they chose not to show it with the hand gesture, because they knew the audience and who watch E3.

We criticized the seemingly QTE combat as is - imagine if it was a guy using is hands too. I think the Kinect demos are just asking for E3 hate.

Foliage1733d ago

Kinect was shown sitting at ever station set up to play a game. Not because it was a kinect game; but because it must always be connected to the system.

it looked so dumb.

horndog1733d ago

fanboys laugh and bitch when they show kinect and now they are bitching because MS didnt show any kinect. Lol

FlunkinMonkey1733d ago


Spot on! Exactly! I do laugh when i see Kinect and how weak the products are for it, and i do bitch when i fail to see any evidence of what they've been promising for years.

ThanatosDMC1733d ago

They didnt show the kinect because there wasnt a Xbone in the whole conference. They were all PCs using completely different specs to what they said Xbone was going to have. Lies after lies. It would have been hilarious if they showed another fake lightsaber demo on stage.

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liorishot1733d ago

I thought microsoft were using AMD for the GPU so why are the lying?

karl1733d ago

everyone is making this questions yet i can only think about how that pc had a little window soo we can all see its an Nvidia card in there

like hey watch me im not AMD.. =D

WitWolfy1733d ago

Dude they dont have a current build of their system.. What a joke, I want to go to Don's face and laugh as hard as I can. What a lying SOB! 1 Billion transistors MY ASS! More like 1 Billion lies!!!!

komp1733d ago

You can hear the windows noise in this video during Dead Rising gameplay:

16 seconds in

FrigidDARKNESS1733d ago

DF article says the game was running on xb1 console. Folks are in denial keep thinling of ways to make up stuff.

infamousinfolite1733d ago

Just heard it. Funny I wonder if that's the sound you get when you go over your 24 hour limit and you try to play the game again offline 'ERROR' or when your kinect is not connected to the Xbox One 'ERROR' or when you try to once again lend your friend a game who receive that same game from you a week ago 'ERROR'

DragonKnight1733d ago

@FrigidDARKNESS: Yes, because consoles are known to make the Windows notification sound and DF were behind the scenes as the demo was running. You're right, sound is wrong. /s

windblowsagain1733d ago

If you can hear that sound, you know it's running on windows.

No game was running on Microsoft hardware.

MS are 6months behind game wise, all these were running with more powerful hardware and being touted as xb1.


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Foliage1733d ago

Dead Rising devs have already confirmed it was not running on Xbox One hardware; but similar hardware to close specs of Xbox One.

Hopefully they don't consider GTX to be "close specs"; because that would be very very dumb.

JP13691733d ago

You might want to actually read DF's article then:
"Dead Rising 3
Coming from Capcom Vancouver with the aim of being the "ultimate open world zombie game", the demo clocks in at around 20 minutes with plenty of attention to outdoor scenarios. It's not running on actual Xbox One hardware, and the staff on-site describes the hardware platform as a 'PC debugging environment'."

dcbronco1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

The fanboys have found a new straw to grasp onto.

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dedicatedtogamers1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

People are missing the bigger picture here. Playing all of the XBox One games on a PC with "target specs" is one thing (yeah, it's a bit disappointing and a bit shady, and let's ignore the incongruity between a Nvidia card and the much-weaker AMD in the Xbox One).

HOWEVER, the bigger issue at hand is that Microsoft clearly isn't ready to showcase their own games on their own hardware...hardware that will be launching in half a year. If Microsoft isn't running most/all of its games on actual Xbox One dev kits, it means that the Xbox One hardware isn't ready and will probably be rushed out the door (ignoring QA) to hit that November launch date.

This should be a massive red flag to anyone interesting in buying the Xbox One at launch.

jmc88881733d ago

This is a big issue.

Especially with all the rumors of poor chip yields and overheating.

If they are getting overheating with a weak GPU and a mobile CPU then they have some serious problems.

To have those sorted out and able to produce the Xbox One to ship in five months means IF they hit their launch date compromises will probably be made.

Lowering the power of an already weak system is one way, but it might not be enough.

Q/A like you said will be horrible and it would not surprise me to see a repeat of RROD with some sort of major hardware failure.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them push back their launch date, but we won't hear of that for probably a couple more months, if they do...and if they do, there will be a lot of pissed off pre-orders will cancel and buy a PS4 because they want something this year or for xmas and not something next year, weeks or months after xmas.

Microsoft is doing everything wrong. Underpowered. Overpriced. Spys on you. DRM and other restrictions.

Now it looks like it'll probably be underpowered even more, might suffer from reliability issues, and might miss it's launch date and if so most likely year (2013).

Just goes to show you they were more interested in the DRM and Kinect then the actual hardware.

Fluke_Skywalker1733d ago

Tbh with you I'm a bit weary of buying either system at launch, I think they are both being rushed out in an attempt to beat each other. I can foresee problems for launch systems on both sides.

dcbronco1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

That's one way to look at it. But unlike Sony, MS will be launching in 21 countries. So they seem pretty sure of their supply lines. Sony is launching in two countries and is already admitting to supply shortages. And MS has come out and said that those rumors of bad yields and heat issues were a lie.

FITgamer1733d ago

Rushed or not there are a lot of people that will still buy it at launch. If it fails on them after the one year warranty they will just buy another One. My younger brother is on his 3rd 360 and i know people that have purchased up to 8 of them. As much shit as M$ will get if this happens they will also be getting that $. Just like this gen and that's their ultimate goal.

ShwankyShpanky1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )


Thing is, in a sense the PS4 only needs to be released in one country, because it's not region-locked, so an imported PS4 and its games will work in any country. Multi-country release would obviously be preferred, but anyone that really wants one can get one and use it, and not worry that games they later buy locally won't work.

UNGR1733d ago

I love how you didn't seem to care about the PS4 reveal running on a PC. Look at how many booths were at E3, do you really think they'd have dev kits for all of them? Or finalized hardware? Nope. A similar PC is the only way to go, it's they only thing they could have brought in abundance. Hell battlefield was on PC, do you really think it was going to be 64 dev kits on stage? If they were all dev kits that would be upwards of 200+ of them floating around, it's just not practical.

Ju1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Sony games ran dev kits. All of them. Those are available since January. Sony shipped quite a lot early this year. And with that said, that mass production started in June this makes a lot of sense.

Pintheshadows1733d ago

Ungr, the issue here is that yes, it is common for games to be shown off for consoles using comparable PC hardware.

We know that. It is expected and accepted.

However, usually the hardware in question will match the rough specs of the console. In this case they were not even using an AMD graphics card. They were using a more powerful Nvidia chipset.

If you don't see the difference I feel sorry for you.

dcbronco1733d ago


That's not the point. Launching in two countries means you have a limited supply. Launching in 21 means you have a lot more. If they had plenty of PS4s don't you think they would be launching in Japan?

limewax1733d ago

They aren't launching in two countries so try getting your facts straight. Most of the EU will see a release this year, Japan will definitely get a release this year. Where the hell are you getting your stats from?

dcbronco1733d ago

Oh. excuse me. Two regions. The US and Europe. But not Japan. Sony abandoned the home market!


MS will launch in regions all over the globe.

I may have misspoke, but the point still stands, Sony has supply issues.

T21730d ago (Edited 1730d ago )

@dcbronco - 2 countries huh ... Dont u mean 2 continents ? Oh you misspoke , sure troll sure .... So releasing to north America and Europe is equal to two countries , I see just a minor detail huh ... Maybe 100 million ppl off , not bad / s ... You always troll so hard why do you even bother ...
Oh ms is releasing in "regions all over the globe" huh? Except where its not right ? Lol

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AngelicIceDiamond1733d ago

Told all you fanboys that's its a dev kit. And it clearly was a dev kit why would it be anything else? Nothings has been finalized at the E3 stage floor everything's still be developed.

People really expect near finished products at E3

Ju1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Just FYI: Devkits ARE actual HW. PCs are not dev kits. Somebody create this new "debug PC"...that's new. This is not how this works. Dev kits are exactly the same specs as the final HW - but might have a different PCB, different case, different size, HDD - and some debug facility in the OS. But that's it. There is no magic to those or "more powerful HW" or what else. This would totally defeat the purpose. Some early versions might contain prototype HW which might even contain bugs. But during a life-cycle of a console they are usually updated to match the actual console (later chip generations and such). So, if Sony say "Dev Kits" it is actual PS4s in a different (bigger) cases - less optimized for mass production - you have seen the leaks. That's what the PS4 devkits look like: (this image is real).

Hicken1733d ago

Are you for real?

Both the PS4 and XBOne are running AMD hardware. It makes exactly ZERO sense for their dev kits to be using different hardware than their console.

Has anybody ever done that?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound trying to explain away this discrepancy? Nobody necessarily expects fully completed products at E3, but to not even have your games running on ACTUAL dev kits?

To make matters worse, LocoCycle was announced LAST YEAR. Of all things, how could they NOT have that game on its native hardware?