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New Consoles Are Coming, What Does It Mean For PC Gamers?

GC writes - New consoles are being released by Sony and Microsoft in November if we can trust the rumors. Sony will launch the Playstation 4 and Microsoft, the next Xbox which has not been revealed yet.

As announced in february by Sony, the PS4 uses a PC architecture. Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD “Jaguar”, 8GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon Graphics and other nice things like W-Lan and a Blu-Ray player.

Nothing is sure for the Xbox, but it will also be a PC-like architecture rumored to be as following: Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD “Jaguar”, 8GB DDR3 and 32MR ESRAM, AMD Radeon Graphics.

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Snookies124022d ago (Edited 4022d ago )

As a PC gamer, it means I'll have new consoles and my PC. I like being able to play any game that piques my interest. :]

Sure I don't have a lot of money for other things, but gaming is an expensive hobby lol.

PS-Analog4022d ago

That's the smart way and, like you said, the expensive option too. If I can get all 3 plus the Wii U, I would be 1 happy gamer.

decrypt4022d ago (Edited 4022d ago )

Arrival of new consoles is exciting for PC gamers, because developers these days tend to keep consoles as the lowest denominator. Hence more powerful consoles coming is always welcome. Infact i hope Sony and MS dont make much of a loss this round and are able to provide newer consoles on a 5 year interval instead of the 7 years we have seen this gen.

I cant speak for other PC gamers, but personally for me PC just offers too many games and the reason i keep buying multiplats on the PC is because of the BC the platform offers. I have over 175 games on my Steam library and it only gets bigger as time goes on. Hence it leaves me with very little time to play anything else. I am not interested in 8 hour linear SP campaigns. I would pick up a next gen console for the exclusives but really those exclusives would have to be something different not just 8 hour games. I would like to see something revolutionary like Dayz, Dota etc to convince me to pick up a next gen console. So far i dont see any of that on the next gen consoles, well its too early to tell anyways.

I am just happy new consoles are on their way, which means PC hardware being pushed too.

T9004022d ago

Console fans these days just getting desperate to sway people from PC gaming.

"Since consoles use unified memory as we’ve seen before, graphics might be the point where consoles have the upper-hand. Graphic Cards for PCs usually have 2GB GDDR5 which means this could be a problem in the long run."

Well yes the console will come with 8GB of memory, however 2 gigs of that goes off to the OS. reduce another 2-3 gigs for the game itself. Then what you are left with is about 2-3 gigs for VRAM.

Question is What res and textures sizes do you expect the consoles to run to use all that RAM. With most games still targeted at 720p or 1080p, It would be difficult to imagine consoles actually using more than 1.5-2 Gigs as VRAM. Even then if developers chose to go beyond this, the GPU would quickly become a bottle neck and all you would get is a slide show. Hence no PC GPUs with 1.5 - 2 Gigs of Vram wont be becoming a bottleneck.

"PC gamers might as well save all the trouble and buy a console instead."

Why would we give up all the freedom we have and go console as main platform?

No mods, no upgrade options, No BC.

Looks like a sad console fan article to me.

socks4022d ago

PCs have been bleeding for decades. No push from a terrible article is required.

MysticStrummer4022d ago

"Console fans these days just getting desperate to sway people from PC gaming."

That's pretty hilarious given the number of PC gamers who haunt console articles on here, trying desperately to talk people into gaming on PC.

cayleee4022d ago

@Mystic

So why are seeing articles saying:

"PC gamers might as well save all the trouble and buy a console instead."

If thats not desperate what is?

Also the only reason PC gamers appear in console articles when console gamers spread misinformation like PS4 = High end PC.

Now a 1.6Ghz tablet CPU is considered high end really?

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cayleee4022d ago (Edited 4022d ago )

@Kratos_kills

"Yea it is because 100% of that 8 core 1.6Ghz APU is focused on by developers."

Yet you only have games running at 30fps.

Heres a little hint you could load up a PC with a I5 CPU and convert a video on it (that makes sure all 4 cores are used up), do the same on a AMD 8 core Desktop CPU, I5 will always win.

Heres a benchmark for you:

http://www.hardocp.com/arti...

Thats comparing a AMD 8 core desktop CPU with a intel 4 core Desktop CPU. Intel wins(both are running at 4ghz). Now imagine consoles are getting tablet cores only running at 1.6ghz. From a CPU perspective there is no contest no matter how you slice it.

Almost every PC gamer now has 4 core systems, Hence its not like Devs wont be using 4 cores on the PC. Hence even if they use 4 cores, PC will be way ahead of any console from a CPU perspective.

Now for the age old 512MB arguement. Does the PS3 feature an OS? can it be used for work? no it cant, its funny PS3 cant even do cross game chat. PC isnt just a games machine its a complete do it all machine hence requires the additional RAM for those purposes, that doesnt mean PC is inefficient.

Its the GPU that does most of the work when it comes to games. 8800GTX only comes with 768MB of RAM, thats not a whole lot more than 512 the PS3 comes with. PS3 does all games in 720p, 8800GTX manages all games in 1080p. Thats about 2x more pixels drawn with just a little more RAM. I would rather Argue its the PS3 thats inefficent by that measure.

papashango4021d ago

the 8800gtx is pretty much all that needs to be said about hardware dedicated to gaming.

it debunked every talking point about the matter.

ShinMaster4021d ago

@T900

Why get so defensive about a couple of articles?
We're talking about people like you always coming to console related articles to talk about specs and how consoles are so "low-end".

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AngelicIceDiamond4022d ago

I'll tell you what it means. It means PC fanboys will try and buy that super high end PC that was running BF4 so they can say they have the better version on every next gen game that gets released.

stuna14022d ago

Funny but true! We already are hearing how the PS4 is not comparable to a mid to low end pc! The fact is we get this! It's just that some prefer consoles over pcs and vice-a-versa.

MrDead4022d ago

Amen brother, I pity the fool that limits themselves to the one option.

JsonHenry4022d ago

I always love it when new consoles come out because it means for the next 3-4 years the PC will be pushed graphically (as a whole) before it starts to stagnate again towards the later years of the console's lifespan.

TheXonySbox4022d ago

Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD

LMFAO thats terrible!!! hahahaha

ATi_Elite4021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

New consoles mean NOTHING to me except another headache caused by misinformation and false truths.

OK Better multiplat games but Devs were ALREADY pushing to make better PC multiplat games as Dev have heard the complaints of PC gamers and have decided to have the features in multiplats that PC Gamers demand.

Oh I gotta listen to people Hype up features on their New Consoles like they are BRAND NEW TECH meanwhile I've been using said tech for years. Friggin Years!

Oh more Stupid PC vs. Console arguments. I swear these editors just Copy n Paste and just change the editors name on these stupid articles.

OH more stupid "PC Gaming is so expensive CRAP" meanwhile your about to shell out $500 for a new console that has NO BACKWARDS compatibility. SO when your x360/PS3 RROD/YLOD your SCREWED or shell out MORE cash to continue playing your current Gen Library of games.

OH now I have to endure people saying Killzone Shadow fall is the best looking game ever (even though clearly it is NOT) but just two minutes ago Graphics Don't matter when they realize 1080p 30fps is the limit of consoles.

Meanwhile I'm banging out games in 1600p 60 fps on ULTRA "But graphics don't matter".......two minutes ago "KZ:SF has Ray Tracing OMG no PC Game has Ray Tracing KZ:SF is totally better than any PC Game ever".....Quake Ray Traced years ago and Ray Tracing since HD4000/GTX200 series. "Oh but Graphics Don't matter"

So I'm sorry new consoles mean nothing to me but more FALSE and INCORRECT information of a certain demographics thinking consoles are some Brand New Tech when in fact they are just hashed together from old PC parts.

AMD APU, System using one Ram pool.....is ALL OLD, Tablets Cell phones and Desktops have already done it!

....and don't say new consoles push PC cause the greatest evolutions on PC this Gen was Kickstarter, Greenlight, and F2P allowing Devs and Gamers to have even more interaction together and finding a way to generate lots of revenue and curb piracy with F2P.

So instead of the TRUTH and articles detailing what Next Gen consoles have LEARNED from the PC and applying to themselves I gotta sit here and read these bullcrap articles as if consoles are the prototype of all this NEW TECH and Delivery Systems that I've been using for years.

It's Like Neil Armstrong listening to some Astronaut bragging about going to Space for the first time, Sorry Son I've Been there Done that and More!

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NastyLeftHook04022d ago

not a damn thing.

ill play my ps4, pc gamers will play there pc.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4022d ago (Edited 4022d ago )

"not a damn thing.

ill play my ps4, pc gamers will play there pc."

well consider the fact that ps4 is x86 u still think It mean nothing?

I think this means ps4 will get mostly pc ports.

This means pc gamers will be treated like people finally.

Also if most games lead on pc then ps4 and 720 might not hold pc back? Nah it will we all know this.

TheLyonKing4022d ago

Possible it could mean more support for PC gamers since the ps4 and 360 have PC like architecture. But the piracy in PC needs to be managed somehow.

Blackdeath_6634022d ago (Edited 4022d ago )

piracy is piracy. you can't change that, there is still a large enough market on the pc to make it profitable. besides its really easy to develop for pc since devs make the game on a pc in the first place. in reality devs don't loose much by developing for the pc the only thing they may need to invest time or money in is making a good port (options menu,making sure it runs at high resolution,making sure it runs smoothly on high fps etc...) this doesn't require a lot of work and can easily be outsourced like capcom has done with dmc which runs great on pc. also sales on pc take place on a much longer period of time, witcher 2 for example still gets loads of sales on pc even if its relatively old every time there is a discount on a game a bunch more sales are made. piracy isnt as big nowadays since there are very good services like steam and many other equivalents who sell cheap games so people don't need to pirate. i personally find my self more willing to pay on pc than i was a few years back

MilkMan4022d ago

I cant see this meaning anything to PC gamers.
More games to port or play?

MontyQ4022d ago

pc is the uber just think how many hundereds of ectra hours I got from fallout3 vegas and skyrim just from playing with mods and added quest lines ect. for me yes we all know pc cant be touched in the graphics area but its the mods that the awesome fans of these games put hundreds of hours into making that make some of them just amazing. Most of the ultra graphic mods for Bethesda games make the games look ten fold better then the way they shipped because of pc gamers who put their heart into doing this for free cheers to them

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7222h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle9h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18816h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio6h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning771h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21838h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus232h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv721h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10111h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos11h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac10h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10110h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 8h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos17h ago(Edited 16h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken18h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 4h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 3h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 4h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 3h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 2h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 19h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 16h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 14h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 7h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 8h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 4h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 16h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 2h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 2h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 18h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 15h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 17h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 16h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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