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How Religion Harms Games

CheatCC says: "Every once in a while, amid the addicting RPGs and fast-paced bullet-fests, a uniquely personal and thought-provoking game will come along. A game that forces the player to pit their morality against their beliefs, and have the victor duke it out with the game’s content. As much of the gaming population is already aware, BioShock: Infinite is just that. Religious practices, social prejudice, manslaughter, and racism are prevalent throughout the game, and encourage the player to evaluate these sensitive topics in a different light. However, not everyone was happy with the experience. These unhappy reactions do not stem from the graphic and disturbing nature of the game, but from the way the game presents religion. This focused repulsion centered on a taboo topic produces no good, only harm."

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WolfLeBlack4027d ago

The fact that we can openly debate and criticize politics, racism and other topics but not go near religion has always baffled. Why are we not allowed to discuss it, both in it positive and negative forms? Why is this topic out of bounds? We're supposed to be an evolved species, and yet everyone gets jumpy around religion for no truly justifiable reason.

I understand why the people asked for a refund. It's up to them whether they can go through it or not. To me, personally, it doesn't make much sense: you, the player, are not getting baptised. it's on screen. it's not happening. In fact, it's Booker Dewitt who gets baptised, not you. You are merely along for the ride, seeing events from his perspective. But you are not him.

I also have to agree that I find it strange that people draw the line at this because they feel it violates their faith, yet are happy to kill, therefore breaking one of the commandments. What is the difference between that and the baptism? Perhaps a Christian on N4G can explain this to me, as I am genuinely curious about this.

I like to think I can view every argument from almost every side, but I think on this one I'll never really understand it.

WildArmed4027d ago

Honestly, I don't know how many people actually did get a refund over this issue.

Obviously not all Christians did, and honestly it's probably a small minority that did. That doesn't mean religion is bad for gaming or vice versa.

It depends on the person, not the religion.

dedicatedtogamers4027d ago (Edited 4027d ago )

Actually, I think the religious guy was quite fair, all things considered. Feminists demanded that a friggin' trophy name was altered, and they got their way. Muslims demanded that a song in LBP was completely removed, and they got their way. PETA makes a fuss every time a videogame shows animal cruelty, though they typically don't get their way.

This guy simply asked for a refund. He didn't demand that the game change for everyone else. He just asked for his money back.

Though that may seem silly to some of you, it's nothing compared to what some other special-interest groups have been demanding over the last decades. Considering how Christianity (or quasi-Christianity with a different name) has been so frequently painted as "the bad guy" in so many games, I think Christians have been incredibly patient.

WildArmed4027d ago

@above

Right, I don't think it was an unfair request.
It's not like was suing the company or asking the game to be removed from stores.

Infact, this is one of the more level-headed requests I've seen. People say "If you don't like it, don't buy/use/play/etc it"

The person did just that, he wasn't trying to get the company to repeal the game or anything for it was offended christians by a forced baptism.

TheFirstClassic4027d ago

Religion is a touchy subject because it holds so much importance to members of any particular faith. In a lot of cases it is the main thing which gives their life meaning, so it's easy to see why people get overly defensive.

That said, religion is still something which should be discussed more. If someone wants to follow a religion, their main goal should be to search for truth, where ever it leads them. All possibilities should be examined, but some people are content to stay in their religion without questioning their faith at all. I know people like that, and it just boggles my mind.

joab7774027d ago

I am a Christian but unlike many I don't disuade conversation. I am Christian because I seek truth. Now, Bioshock didn't bother me because Cristianity isn't on trial here. Comstock was baptized but then he proceeded to pervert its beliefs and used it to create a City and become a dictator. But this is why I love it...as a Christian nothing angers me more than the attrocities committed by men in the name of Christ. It has happened over and over throughout history. Many tell me that Christians killed millions in the inquisition. No, they didn't. The Catholic church killed millions of Jews AND Christians for not bowing a knee to the pope. Christians escaped England and Europe to come to the US but it wasn't long before men corrupted the beliefs. Now yes, the US was a great foundation in allowing freedom of Religion and thought etc. Most didn't even want a federal government at all. Separation of Church and state was initially a letter sent between Jefferson and a baptist preacher. Christains didt want a state church...that was the issue. They had just run from the catholic church and the church of england and didn't want to be ruled by evil men corrupting their faith. It wasn't a separation of christainity from politics.

Anyway, I love bioshock because it shows the evils of perverted religion...true religion is extremely rare. It shows why this country was founded in the first place and how quickly it can unravel. Anyway, Levine doesn't sit on a high horse and rip apart capitalism and religion. He also shows how evil Communism is. There has been a big push back to capitalism recently because of the economy and the general reduction in median income. This game helps to remind us that Marxism and Leninism are also very evil. Its amazing how ppl forget the attrocities of the 20 th century. Anyway, I an q Christian and I love this portrayal of both extremes. But I am not offended because Christiany is at no point on trial in this game or even shown other than a baptism at wounded knee. And what did I take away from that moment...that ppl hav so twisted scripture that no one even knows what Christianity even is anymore and would simply rather skip baptism alltogether. Its sad...very sad. But I am glad that Irrational wasn't afraid to go here. Many Christians blame our problems on gay marriage and abortion (don't get me wrong...it is murder) but the real problem is what we call Christanity today. Before we can even spread the news of Christ, we have to clean up our own back yard. And as history has shown, at the first instance of temptation, unsaved men crumble. Comstock was one such man...and many suffered because of it.

US8F4026d ago

Joab777

I agree with every single thing you said. It is so accurate. Heck, I'm a muslim, and we get all the sticks lately because some people kill people in the name of islam, or burn the my holy book "The Quran" because of some radicals actions.

I believe the most accurate religion is one where it doesn't discourage you to read about other religions, but encourages you to seek the truth, if it's out there. In shia islam, we have that.

Bioshock brought that argument to the table, and I believe, in a way, that it wants people to question and see if this is how their religion tells the to do or not, by going back to their books. It could be an indirect way to educate someone, if you know what I mean.

OptimisticPrime4027d ago

I'm a Christian so I think I can understand it... It didnt bother me and I loved Infinite... But I think the reason the baptism scene bothers people and the killing doesn't is this:

It's not that the Christians think they're actually bein baptized and that killing is okay. They recognize they're in a fictional setting and the killing and baptism are both fictional. However, Christians feel alot of convictions about their beliefs and I think parts of bioshock infinite can seem like they are intentionally making mockeries of sacred religious practices. Do I think that's what they were doing? Not in a bad way, no. It was a distorted caricature of faith that was twisted, that was the point.

But when killing, it's obviously not real. When something you believe strongly and is the core of who you are as a Christian and you feel that it is being slammed, it's easy to feel that it's a personal attack against you.

Just trying to sympathize here. Alot of people don't have any tolerance for Christians, while saying that Christians are so intolerant... Whether I agree with him or not on this particular issue I say good for him for having convictions, whatever they are. And extra good for steam for honoring that, I'm very impressed.

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pierce4027d ago

I commend Ken Levine and Irrational for having the balls to provide a social commentary on such a sensitive subject as religion. This is why BioShock Infinite is so different, it asks questions of systems and ideologies that have been accepted for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

And why shouldn't a videogame be able to offer the same subject matter as films, or music? As the medium evolves the topics it covers will, too.

MariaHelFutura4027d ago

The funniest thing about this is the other 2 are based entirely on alot of Satanic principles. The first is very linked to Alister Crowley and the 2nd to the MK Ultra program. Yu-Gi-Oh for example is the re-telling of Alister Crowley's origins almost exactly. From materialism to transhumanism, you're so deep in you'll never find your way out.

NastyLeftHook04027d ago

i suggests people read the god delusion by richard dawkins.

NYC_Gamer4027d ago

I feel religion is a subject that should continue to be dealt with in gaming just like it is in other forms of entertainment

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7219h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18813h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio3h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21835h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga4h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1018h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac7h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1017h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic5h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein18h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno14h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k413h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson12h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu13h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson12h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -

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The INDIE Live Expo 2024 event is to feature over 100 game titles

INDIE Live Expo, Japan’s premiere online digital showcase series , will debut never-before-seen games & content updates across more than 100 titles on May 25th.