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Pachter has lost his mind: RAM Equals Innovation, Xbox 720 wins Because of Skype & TV

Playeressence's Furious Francis discusses Michael Pachter's latest Wii U hate/blind, bias predictions. PS4's RAM will lead to innovations we have never seen before, PS3/Xbox 360 to be outsold by the PS4/Xbox 720, and the Xbox 720 has been declared the winner before the console has even been announced.

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Theyellowflash304065d ago

Usually he's just wrong, now I think he's actually crazy.

LOGICWINS4064d ago

Either that, or he knows something big about the 720 that we don't.

black9114064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Why the Freak Do we even listen to this guy? He's The Skip Bayless of The Gaming Community!!!!

http://blogs.miaminewtimes....

amiga-man4064d ago

As has been said the opposite normally happens to what he says, so I'm quite relieved he didn't choose the PS.

NewMonday4064d ago

is the TV tuner the same idea as Torn, NASNE and PlayTV that Sony used outside the USA?

and Skype has many other services that do the same like Tango.

and some time back their was news Sony is setting up an MSO itself, so I still don't see an advantage for MS yet.

knowyourstuff4064d ago

He's not crazy, he's just out of touch boob and knows nothing about gaming, why people buy games, why people stay away from certain games/consoles. He's just a boob who doesn't game, and as a non-gamer he is personally more interested in non-gamer related things like skype and tv-tuning.

More RAM does mean a Developer can do more on screen, so with less limitations they will be able to do more. If you call it innovation then fine, that's one way of putting it. Another way might be "better AI, more complex things on screen and under the hood happening all at once to make a more real, visceral experience". It doesn't mean innovation is guaranteed, just more possible with less limitations.

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AngelicIceDiamond4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Pachter might know something that we don't about MS. He must of saw what MS was doing therefor getting all excited and and jumps the gun and claims the 720 a winner.

Not even Pachter is that dumb enough to make that stray prediction without having some sort evidence backing it.

Pachters not even a real gamer hes a tech enthusiast. Lets wait and see what MS announces before hasting such claims.

EDIT: So fanboys are claiming victory with the PS4 over MS unannounced console. And now Anylist are claiming victory with unannounced Xbox over the PS4?

https://www.google.com/url?...

What is gaming news coming to 0_O people.

HammadTheBeast4064d ago

Actually Patcher is dumb enough. He said Wii would fail based on nothing at all. And in terms of sales, it did amazingly.

joab7774064d ago

It may be true. Xbox, imo, will choose a different path and they may sell more consoles or make more money but it doesnt matter. Why? The wii sold a gazillion consoles and was very successful but not many of us talk about it when talking about this gens greatest moments. This could happen if microsoft chooses to take the casual route. Both, according to him will be very successful but in different ways. The xbox may end up being the console evryone owns because its cheaper and does alot of entertainmemt stuff. But, the ps4 may be the place that all hardcore gamers go for the best games. Thats fine. I will buy a ps4 at launch and if microsoft can convince me its worth owning an xbox too, i will biy one. I just think that many ppl ultimately get both. Its just that the new xbox may become the new wii.

pandaboy4064d ago

are you guys serious here? this article is completely nonsensical. Pachter's predictions seem to be spot on and coincide with the information we have. There is a reason he has the job he does and you guys troll the internet desperate to degrade him.

Jacobster4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

I understand what you are saying but Analysts from any industry do get things wrong more often than not especially when forecasting the future and especially predicting the overall sales of a new console cycle! I guess time will tell :)

MEsoJD4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

It's funny how people lose their shit over Pachter's opinions. He's not always right, but I appreciate his perspective.

ritsuka6664064d ago

It's incredible how upset you are that a Pacther made a comment you don't agree with.

falcon794064d ago

Considering 1GB of RAM is all they need for games NEXTGEN as that equates to 4GB for devs as it gets compressed so please tell me what game will use more than that on textures ??

jmac534064d ago

It's more than just "textures". Pretty much all of the information will be funneled through the RAM include physics info and OS functions.

a_squirrel4064d ago

Try running your OS with 256MB SRAM and 256MB VRAM (Or just 512MB)

Windows 98 can. *laughs*

KwietStorm_BLM4064d ago

1GB equates to 4GB for devs. Lol yea you really just said that.

Gildarts4064d ago

Skype would be a pretty steady drive for Sales if its integrated right and advertised it right. Many people use Skype now, about half a billion. Microsoft can take SOME of that cake. But that will definitely not be what will make the 720 the "winner". If Microsoft doesn't focus on games this Gen all they would have is casual gamers. The PS4 right now sounds like it's the place to go for core gamers. But we won't know for sure until Microsoft shows what strategy they're going to use.

Jazz41084064d ago

Cant we wait till both systems are fully disclosed before we speculate a winner. This is madness.

Anomander4064d ago

How dare you make sense on this forum ;)

showtimefolks4064d ago

patcher oh patcher you will never learn to keep your mouth shut, i bet you he just says stuff just to start a controversy

babadivad4064d ago

Who the fuck is Patcher. People post his articles all the damn time but who the fuck is he and why should we care???

chaos-lockheart4064d ago

Like I said before, I can take his job anytime. I can BS more.

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CouldHaveYelledUiiW4064d ago

For Consoles Ram does = Innovation BUT
if that is the case then Nintendo takes the lead as innovators once again.
(Remember the one of the complaints about PS360 development...)

Yeah, I used to be more patient with Pachter but now I'm just getting the "I will make more $ by helping turn WiiU into a 3rd Party" Vibe from him.

You broke my heart Pachter... I trusted you... I trusted you...

Theyellowflash304064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

I don't think RAM equals more innovation. I think more RAM equals better graphics/better media functions.

Innovation is done through gameplay, not RAM. It's the same reason why Chrono Trigger, an almost 20 year old game is far more innovative than Final Fantasy 13

CouldHaveYelledUiiW4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

"Innovation" has a wide swath of meanings.

You are taking a particular definition.
You are talking about Gameplay (Like Z-Target Lock) and I am talking about System Architecture (Like Cartridges to Disc format).

Innovation is just a beneficial change (or just a change).

But in terms of Gameplay and System Power:

1) Miyamoto said last week that somethings in the new Pikman could only be done through more processing power.

2)He also said the same thing about Super Mario Galaxy, whose ideas were originally tested on the Gamecube and later finalized on Wii because it was more powerful.

So, what I am saying is Power does not =Innovation
But it can hinder Innovation.

Majora's Mask could not be done on an Atari 2600
Halo could not be run on NES.
Golden Eye could never be run on SNES.

Wii can't handle WiiU games not because of graphics but because of concepts- Wii does not have the Power to stream to a 2nd screen.

But we all know great games were on all of the systems I mentioned.
And some of the games are better Gameplay-wise or just as good as the games that are around today.

Zelda 1 is one of my favorite Zelda's but so is Z: SS.
Old School Doom is still fun even though new FPS's are deeper.

jmc88884064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

RAM gives you the ability to load more things into memory from a disc or hard drive so it's ready to be processed.

It doesn't affect power, it's just the ram CAN BE a bottleneck.

Thus if you reduce the bottleneck, then you will see performance increases because the data will be there when the processor/gpu is ready for it. If the processor is waiting, then it slows things down.

Right now on the PS3/360 what you have is that games are quite far beyond that old hardware so to make the games work on the PS3/360 they had to use tricks to get it to load the bigger worlds, but all of this had a price by reducing what it could do elsewhere.

So no, you don't have increases with RAM, with the new console you simply won't have the bottleneck because you won't have to rely on those tricks because the amount of RAM will be sufficient. That's not increase, it's simply removing the slow down from the system.

It's like saying if you are driving you push the gas pedal to go, but with the 360/PS3 if they were a car, you were at the same time hitting the gas and brake at the same time. So is it correct that you have a more powerful car by simply taking your foot off the brake when you hit the gas? NOPE.

But your care will go faster than it would have otherwise.

Simply because you removed what was holding it back.

Basically with the PS4, 8GB's of GDDR5 means that in its lifetime it will have enough memory to not have to worry about resorting to such tricks. If anything it's a bit of a waste seeing that the power of it won't really be able to utilize more than 3 GB's or so of it for gaming in it's fullest extent. Now the reason for this is because it will be a 1080p gaming system, thus those size textures don't utilize 8gb's.

Most of the power of the system will be used to run things that aren't a big user of RAM, but ARE a big user of the power inside the system. Thus what I am saying is the DX11 type effects will tax the systems power whereas the 1080p textures will use up more overall ram than these but use less of it's power. So 8 GB's is a little bit of overkill, but it's an amount that is pretty much justified. It is the right amount. It's just too bad the GPU/CPU combo is a little lacking. Still good, but a little lacking. But overall 8gb's is more appropriate for the size of 1600p or even 4k (3840x2160) gaming. But the system will only be a 1080p gaming machine.

Of course probably 2gb's will be reserved for the OS so you'll have 6gb's or so used for the actual gaming, while the GPU will only be able to push about 3 GB's of it. The remaining is just there for any wasteful process that is invented between now and it's end of life so it's there just in case.

A good example is the GTX 670. They have two varieties. They have a 2gb version and a 4gb version. There is NO difference between the two at 1080p gaming. Even at higher resolutions there is negligible difference.

So really to properly utilize 8gb's of GDDR5 you would literally need a game utilizing the full power of 3-4 PS4's if they were somehow linked and capable of pooling the power together. Then be displaying it to a 4ktv, with monster textures.

Ju4064d ago

I agree with everything you said but the assessment that the 8GB won't be used. This machine has 8GB guaranteed. Believe me, designers will find a way to fill it up and it has nothing to do that it will "only" output 1080p. You are simply not limited to use the same textures over and over again, you are not limited to duplicate geometry over and over again. Worlds can be bigger; sections of the world unique. Set pieces designed differently for various areas. And, well, I'm telling you PCs will hold the consoles back. You'd need VRAM to store all those data; the fastest GPU can't swap those in and out in time to support more than you have VRAM available. 3GB and 6GB cards are coming, but it doesn't help that the majority of cards are sold with 1 or 2GB. And well, of course, with 8GB you can push texture resolution. No more blurry textures on close ups, etc. 4K resolutions isn't the only reason why this makes sense. Well, KZ SF ran probably on 1.5GB, but it only was one level. You could actually load the whole game in one piece and never see a loading screen or a reload.

falcon794063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

You guys are all thick the wiiu has 4GB on devkits thats official only speculation got us to 2GB ?

ps4 has 8GB on devkits,neogaf,kotaka ect all said the amounts were devkits,so either way wiiu has 4GB and ps4 has 8GB thats the truth with RAM,Nintendo havn't said it has 2GB in retail sites and fanboys stated this.

So if wiiu has half on retail so does ps4 ?

wiiu can technically offer 1.5GB for games and let me just say with S3TC u can compress textures by 4x the amount ect this makes u fit alot more in,vram is used for video so your main RAM isnt needed for this,its mainly just texture compression but it allows for more RAM than the original amount.

Wiiu has IBM 32MB eDRAM on the MCM and there is said to be more ?

Everyone look at the comments from Michel Ancel and TTgames ect they basically say because of memory and the gpu we can do alot more ?? Ancel said its very powerful and has zero memory or texture resolution limitations wiiu texture res is 8096x8096 look it up,its when Ancel said movie quality textures on wiiu are possible,Moonlith soft said zero cpu limitations on X.

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Viper74064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Let's say..

Ram equals more moving space when developing games. That would probably get closest to the truth. With it you can for example store more stuff to the background (mostly content like 3D-models, textures and audio).

Many of the games stream the content from HDD or disc which is a bit slow as you still need to have it on RAM if you want to use it.

KwietStorm_BLM4064d ago

RAM will never mean innovation. It cannot. It is an essential part for any computer to operate. Increasing the amount does not equal innovation. Not even using a "Non standard" type equals innovation. The way it is used or implemented is a different story, and that comes down to the people, the developers, the architects.

CouldHaveYelledUiiW4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Yes but we are not talking about Computers-

We are talking about Consoles adopting a Computer mainstay.

PS3 an 360 did not have a significant amount of Ram- now they are using Gigs.

That is a NEW TREND an Innovation.

It does not matter if you're impressed by it- it's still something "New" and it is beneficial so it qualifies as an Innovation.

Qrphe4064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Power has always allowed for innovation every generation and it always will.

Theyellowflash304064d ago

Except for the PS3 and Xbox 360. This generation brought a bunch of cover based and first person shooters. Hardly innovative in my opinion.

Godmars2904064d ago (Edited 4064d ago )

Because PC was the measured standard this gen whereas before devs had to focus on the hardware they worked with.

Therefor, power does not allow or equal innovation.

3GenGames4064d ago

You possibly should join him in looking for it, as yours seems to have disappeared too. Or you just don't know proper English.

SolidDuck4064d ago

Does anyone actually listen to patcher? He has been full of bs for along time. Sometimes I read it just to laugh.

RandomDude6554064d ago

He's always been a fucking idiot. People are just now figuring this out?

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 5h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle16h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188113h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio13h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning778h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga15h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv721h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218314h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga13h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan9h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit2h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus238h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv728h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica2h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10118h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos17h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-7h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac17h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10116h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic14h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead7h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 14h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 1h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 10h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 10h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 10h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 6h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 9h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 9h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere2d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 23h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 20h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 13h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 15h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 11h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 23h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 9h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 8h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger5h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2d ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 21h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 23h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 23h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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