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Why We Are Taking a Wait and See Approach To The new Xbox System

Gareth at Skewed and Reviewed has posted an opinion piece on why he has chosen to take a wait and see approach to the new Xbox console regardless of the features and titles it offers. He cites past issues with box Xbox consoles and other factors as the reasons behind his decision.

alousow4083d ago

not lot of core gamers happy about the next xbox. Cuz we all kno its going to be more kinect.

aviator1894083d ago

how exactly does anyone know anything?
for all we know, they're all just rumors.

are you really going to let rumors be a substitute for hard truth?

Cam9774083d ago

Look at the leaked documents SuperDAe received 20 years in prison for; do you really think MS would destroy somebody's life over the release of a fake document? It was real. Now, compare that to the PS4's specs and it becomes clear that the next Xbox is notably inferior to SONY's beast of a system.

Moreover, look at what the Ps4 has; video sharing (Youtubers will love this); instant game streaming; amazing Vita integration; amazing specs and a brilliant launch line-up. The Ps4 is going to be incredibly hard to beat in terms of what is up for grabs. Due to this people have focused on the PS4.

zebramocha4083d ago

@cam I wouldn't say "noticeably inferior" but they diverge on what their system is meant to do.

Enemy4083d ago

"How exactly does anyone know anything?"

You're delusional if you think Microsoft aren't going to expand their Kinect focus next gen. Simply in denial as it is the most obvious thing we could safely assume about the next Xbox.

knowyourstuff4083d ago

We have things called analysts, and they use company strategies to predict what companies will do. Microsoft has clearly been trying to compete with Apple and Google, as their executives have already stated. It isn't just Sony and Nintendo that Microsoft wants to steal market share from. In order to do this, Microsoft wants to cater to Apple and Google, meaning more social networking integration, more casual games similar to what you see on phones and tablets, more Kinect, more apps, more things outside of just hardcore gaming.

This is an effort to steal market share and the audiences from Google and Apple. Kinect was created to steal market share from Nintendo. What you're seeing is a company that wants to steal market share from everyone, and such you see the same strategy utilized on the 360 to continue on. Why would microsoft change a working strategy? They've sold a ton of consoles and stole a ton of Sony's market share away from them.

This is what's known as analyzing the market. Get it? Good.

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BitbyDeath4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

@Cam977, specs can evolve over time.
The main concerns over SuperDAe's reveal is certain features like having to install every game to the HDD and Kinect required to always be turned on etc.

Guess we'll all find out either next month or E3.

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princejb1344083d ago

dude we just dont know anything about the next xbox
what if MS announces xbox live is going to be free next gen
what if they announce them developing new studios or dropping kinect because not many people seem interested in it
until ms announces the next xbox its specs and the kind of games it will be offering(expecting more halo and gears) we just dont know anything

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princejb1344083d ago

@kratos kills

by everyone i guess you mean you
i refused to buy the 360 because i was not going to pay for xbox live. To me it just wasnt worth it

if it gets free is a good improvement and maybe gamers wont be as pissed all the time by calling people fanboys or n****s all the time in a online game

DigitalRaptor4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

Exactly what Kratos_Kills said.

Look at the facts. Microsoft have charged their fans $50-60 per year for the past 10 years for what is essentially the ability to use your own bandwidth (Internet provider subscription). Basic online gameplay is run using P2P technology which is not on Microsoft servers, but.. in fact look it up yourselves, you'll learn more.

If Microsoft make XBL free to play online (which they should, and it would be a GREAT thing for the industry), they would have to explain why they've charged you $600 over the past 10 years and they're now enabling the service for free. That can't be good for their PR, but it HAS to be done to move the industry in a positive direction and treat gamers with the respect they deserve.

The same goes for accessing services like Hulu, Facebook, Netflix, YouTube, etc. There's no excuse under the sun they could use to justify years of these unjustifiable charges, that most people would love not to exist.

Regardless of great games and services (which are important), their next console needs to have free online, fair services and hardware reliability as paramount, for me to consider investing. That mentality doesn't make you a fanboy, it makes you a smart, strong-willed consumer.

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@ Knight_Crawler (below)

Did you even read it? Where's the doom? Where did he say he hated Xbox? Did you miss the part where he said that his site will pick up the next Xbox regardless, but since they are a smaller site they don't always have the funds to get all or expect review-consoles for free?

"A real journalist or gaming website would buy all the consoles including the Wii U regardless because they have to experience everything and give us the news without being bias."

A film critic has to watch everything otherwise they are biased? You have to watch Piranha 3DD to know that Inception is a great film?

And I guess you think that all journalists are run by people working for huge outlets like IGN and GameSpot, right? They can instantly afford all consoles, rather than feeding their family and eating, right? Not all journalists are those of large scale advertising dollar status, with departments for each console like the aforementioned big ones.

Do you remember when people like yourself laughed off Paul Gale Network for revealing PlayStation All Stars before anyone else, then called Title Fight? http://paulgalenetwork.com/...

It's not just large sites that have industry sources. Where do you think the people who post on NeoGaf and Reddit get their genuine leaked information from, when they're nothing but a username?

givemeshelter4083d ago

@alousow
You're not happy with the next Xbox because...you know nothing about it?
Only on N4G.COM...Making assumptions based on...nothing. LOL

Bathyj4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

Actually it MS's pattern of behavior that has me taking a waiting and see attitude.

I dont really care what the hardware is like, I'm sure it will be more than capable. If its a little bit better or a little bit worse than PS4, it doesnt really matter to me.

What matters is MS's direction, being more concerned about casuals and Kinect, or apps for watching tv and movies than worrying about core gamers and only pushing their staple franchises over and over instead of offering anything new.

Thats why I dont think I'm interested in XB3 until they change their attitude and win me back. Thats based on the way MS has done business for the last 4 years and thats clear for everyone to see, not based on speculation about rumours, so I might be making assumptions, but theyre not based on nothing.

Knight_Crawler4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

What is wrong with this website sknr.net that they keep submitting the same negative Xbox articles?

http://n4g.com/news/1189326...

"Why the Playstation 4 and Not The New Xbox System Is the One We are Getting at Launch"

We get it you dont like MS or the XBOX...do you really have to keep submitting garbage to convince us to join your crusade and make the 720 a failure?

Posted by GarethVK - "We have talked with third-party developers who work on games for both systems. They have told us that while both have nice features, the PS 4 is a better system with more power and features."

You and your websiet are a disgrace to the gaming industry and the reason why the world does not take gaming serious.

A real journalist or gaming website would buy all the consoles at launch including the Wii U regardless because they have to experience everything and give us news without being bias.

Gareth I hope the few hits you get on your website was worth your integrity and dignity.

Garethvk4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

Where does it says we do not have all the consoles or will not be buying the new one? We had Wii U day 1, we will be getting the New Xbox. I am simply stating that we have had nothing but issues with the Xbox systems since day one and when they finally gave us a stable unit, I was not that impressed with what they offered nor the support provided by Microsoft. As such, we are taking a wait and see approach with the new one. Can you honestly say the Red Ring of Death was not an issue and that Microsoft did not handle the issue correctly?

Derekvinyard134083d ago

I feel Sony has the jump, might see Xbox at E 3

AngelicIceDiamond4083d ago

@alousow is a a trolling parrot who says the same thing over and over. "720 is kinect" "its all kinect" "no core games just kinect" blah, blah troll yadda yadda.

Of course Kinect is making a comeback next gen its about HOW it will make a comeback. MS had a bad year with Kinect only titles last year I'm sure they realized that now and will implement it in a different way.

So can we get smart and make realistic assumptions about MS and Kinect? Of course not its N4G...

Gildarts4083d ago

Do not believe this guy he's a liar he's not a real journalist, real journalist wait till the product is actually released before they judge it. The Xbox 720 is not even revealed yet, for all we know it doesn't even exist. He knows nothing he's just going of of rumors. Real journalist buy the console at launch even if it's not as good as the other one.

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Garethvk4083d ago

They need to do more with it. As you can see, we had several issues with the Xbox and had it not been for Dance Central, we would likely not have given the 360 another chance. That is really the only thing we play on it now aside from Halo 4. I will try the new Gears though.

greenpowerz4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

How many times is this dude going to basically post the same crap? It's just attacks with ps3 fanboy talking points disguised as concern. Just an excuse to preach fanatical rhetoric.

We get it people on that site don't like xbox and will wait for their/people's socks to be blown off before they stop the anti MSFT crusade.

We understand. You're excited about PS4 and you'll do anything to stop MSFT from topping Sony again. It's obvious ps3 fanboys are stealth trolling trying to condition what people should expect from the 720 in a in vain effort.

He keeps talking about past xbox issues that were fixed many years ago preaching soft anti MSFT scripture that is double standard at best. He probably got PS3 without thinking about PS2 issues. It's clear some Sony fans will be trying to use fear mongering and scare tactics in New smear campiengs. This is a back up plan just in case MSFT shows Sony up

If Sony had any games in 2012 especially during the holdiday I imagine PS3 fanboys would have more to do them chest beat over the savior PS4.

All excited about games and specs that may or may not come to fruition due to Sony constantly over promising and under delivering. Boasting Sony games and the supposed lack of MSFT games when Sony prematurely announces games for hype having to can them or repeatedly delay them.

Garethvk4083d ago

Get over yourself and go play Halo 4. Most people agreed with my PS 4 post yersterday, your in the vocal minority.

aviator1894083d ago

Ok...I didn't have anything against you with your earlier submission or even this submission as it's all really just your opinion, but your reply to greenpowerz comes off as a bit...rude for someone who has his own website and attempts to be professional in method.

Telling someone to beat it and "go play halo 4" just because he or she is in the "vocal minority" is cheeky and disrespectful, imo.

SignifiedSix914083d ago

*You're.

for being a journalist, you should know the differences between "your" and "you're".

Gildarts4083d ago

Gareth stop lying, you are not a journalist. Just stop it dude. Most people agreed with you because N4G is 60% made of PS4 fanboys. For a "Journalist" you are really unprofessional. Stop submitting the same posts. stop writing articles based on nothing. Stop just stop. You're a disgrace to game journalism.

DigitalRaptor4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

Here we go again with the insecure rantings.

Basically anyone who doesn't share the same affection for Microsoft business tactics as you is considered a ps3 fanboy. Ignoring the fact that most of us game across the spectrum. I play PC, I have played Xbox in the past, same with Nintendo and Sega etc. I'm used to open standards and business practice that isn't present in the Xbox ecosystem. The fact that I love PlayStation is enough for most people on here to call me a fanboy even though I game on multiple systems. So to you, anyone who has any doubt in Microsoft is a fanboy? You're ridiculous.

MS have done questionable things this generation and even last generation's Xbox, so it's normal to be questioning of them with their next box. It's normal, and I think even the die hard Xbox fans should be questioning why it costs $60 per year to access the P2P functionality of game's you've already spent money on, and why it costs money to access Facebook, Twitter and YouTube etc. You should also be questioning their motives on rushing out hardware irrespective of reliability and also be questioning their direction in terms of treating the Xbox as a casual entertainment machine rather than gaming. They have yet to prove their direction, but there's nothing wrong with holding back when you've been burned once before.

What Gareth says is true and his opinion and decision based on past experience with Xbox. It's smarter to ask questions than blindly follow, but it's clear you prefer that.

"You're excited about PS4 and you'll do anything to stop MSFT from topping Sony again."

And you're scared that Sony actually are in a position in which that might happen, even going as far as pretending that "on paper" specs are lies, and that not showing the plastic exterior of the game means the console doesn't exist, which is laughably desperate.

"If Sony had any games in 2012 especially during the holdiday I imagine PS3 fanboys would have more to do them chest beat over the savior PS4."

Sony had more retail games in 2013 than Microsoft. Twisted Metal, Starhawk, LBP Karting, Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, Tales of Graces f, MLB 12: The Show, Jak & Daxter/Ratchet & Clank HD, Yakuza: Dead Souls, PS All Stars Battle Royale. Even one of their download games, Journey, won best game of the year from multiple outlets and beat out Halo 4. Keep living in fantasy. In fact Sony bring out more games on PS3, with even more platforms to consider, whilst MS bring out less games with only one platform to consider.

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Feel free to critisize, but I am keeping an open mind to the new Xbox, whilst remaining conscious of the strategies that have developed on Microsoft's part. If I have to pay to access the online parts of games I already own then it's an absolute NO. The games could be spectacular, and I'd still abide by my morals, as a consumer.

Karpetburnz4083d ago

@greenpowerz

Its Ironic that youre bashing someone else for hating on the next Xbox when youre just a pathetic Xbox fanboy yourself who hates Sony and PS4, looking through all your recent comments it seems your just a Micosoft troll, you even troll on Playstation articles.

You have no right for calling out someone as Sony fanboy when youre the biggest Xbot troll on this site.

solidworm4083d ago

Again another solid piece from someone who actually looks beneath the surface. Excellent stuff.

Gimmemorebubblez4083d ago

I think this article raises valid points, the Xbox has had its fair share of problems but I would still reserve my judgement for when the Xbox 720 is unveiled. As I've said before Microsoft is successful for a reason so don't discount them just yet.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk771d ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE21h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73021h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor18h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos18h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor18h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos17h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies2d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k43d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k42d ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody3d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast3d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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