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All PS4 games available to download, Sony to add tiered subscriptions

All PlayStation 4 games will be available to download, Sony has revealed.

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KewDeGra4075d ago (Edited 4075d ago )

Hopefully all the nice normal features will be free still. and the cool not so super needy features are the ones that they charge for.. i'll gladly pay for the top tier if this come to light.

GribbleGrunger4075d ago

Gaikai brings so much to the table that it would be easy for Sony to incentify people to subscribe to its benefits. What we have now for free will pale into insignificance when the PS4 finally hits store shelves, so, yes, there is no reason whatsoever for NOT offering what we already get for free.

PSVita4075d ago

I think the share feature will be part of the paid service.

Rainstorm814075d ago (Edited 4075d ago )

@vita

I hope not especially with there being a share button on the controller and (correct me if im wrong) a chip built in for video streaming it has got to be a basic feature.

PSVita4075d ago (Edited 4075d ago )

@rainstorm81
As a gamer I hope it's free of course but they need to make their money back and as long as there's still free online and Netflix I don't mind paying for the extra stuff. If they can do something like Netflix/gamefly and I pay a monthly fee for access to all previous ps1-3 games they'd win hands down.

turgore4075d ago

Gaikai is nice but not everyone has unlimited usage for their internet.

stragomccloud4075d ago

@rainstorm
The extra chip isn't powerful enough for encoding, the extra chip is for background tasks like updating/downloading/uploading .

nukeitall4075d ago

Have any of you actually used Gaikai or OnLive?

I don't see how anyone can claim cloud streamed gaming brings so much to the table with it's artifact full on screen and laggy experience.

Even on top notch fiber optic connection, there is significant lag. Cloud might be something working in the far future, but right now it is sub-par and I personally won't waste my time with it.

Too many good games to be looking at encoding artifacts on screen with unresponsive controls.

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joeorc4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

"@rainstorm
The extra chip isn't powerful enough for encoding, the extra chip is for background tasks like updating/downloading/uploading "

are you freaking kidding me?

"The extra chip isn't powerful enough for encoding"

really?

So the key to all of this will be the integration of an ARM processor into an AMD APU, specifically ARM’s Cortex-A5 CPU. The Cortex-A5 is ARM’s simplest ARMv7 application processor, and while it’s primarily designed for entry-level and other lower-performance devices, as it turns out it fits AMD’s needs quite nicely since it won’t be used as a primary application processor.

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

and see for your self

The Cortex-A5 processor provides full instruction and feature compatibility with the higher performance Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9, and Cortex-A15 processors - all the way down to the operating system level. The Cortex-A5 processor also maintains backwards application compatibility with Classic ARM processors including the ARM926EJ-S, ARM1176JZ-S, and ARM7TDMI®.

http://www.arm.com/products...

I would say perfect for Background downloading and for any feature that Sony would need this "Application" processor for a games console Hell the CortexA5!

Alone:

It is intended to replace the ARM9 and ARM11 cores for use in low-end devices.

you know the 3DS is an Arm 11 powered device, right?

the 3DS has a Dual core Arm 11 and you already see what it can do. and this PS4 APU Has a Cortex-A5 already in it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

and exactly why is this important?

"Even if AMD just intends to use ARM for TrustZone today, this opens the door to comprehensive native ARM code execution in the future if AMD wanted to go that way; but at the same time this could end up being as far as AMD ever goes"

you know what else uses and Arm Cortex based Processor? the Freaking PSVita!!

LOL

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jujubee884075d ago

It's free on VITA, therefore.....

MasterCornholio4075d ago (Edited 4075d ago )

Well these online features are free on Vita and therefore will be free on PSN for all devices.

1. Online Multiplayer
2. Cross Game/platform chat

Plus all the other features that are free on the PS3.

However i dont expect all of Gaikais features to be free except the ability to stream demos and similar items.

But hey if Sony can provide the share function for free that would be fantastic.

EDIT: Wait a second.

""With one subscription you have access to thousands of games - that's our dream," he added."

Thats probably the premium subscription which will probably function like Netflix.

Rainstorm814075d ago

Exactly I think it refers more to the extra features involving gaikai and different gaming models...... simple multiplayer and chat should remain free

I think Sony is aiming for the stars with the PS4, if they can establish a Netflix subscription model for gaming and a service of this kind is only available on PS4, it will be a game changer.

Imagine tons of PS1 2 3 and 4 games available under one subscription service freely playable..... It's the console counter move for Steam.............if they can implement it

GribbleGrunger4075d ago

We may see a few Gakai features for free on top of what we already get. Traffic is important to Sony so being able to increase that traffic gives them the opportunity to promote the more advanced features of Gaikai. Let them through the door for free and then offer them little perks is probably going to be their strategy.

dc14075d ago

Online gaming to remain free.

amiga-man4075d ago

Who disagreed lol what makes you think online gaming won't be free?

boldscot4075d ago

Someone who just renewed his X-box Live subscription!

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Outside_ofthe_Box4075d ago

This is old. These are quotes from a week ago shortly after the conference and in terms adding tiered subscriptions they was speaking in a hypothetical context.

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Dragos754075d ago

I knew they would end up charging for this. They would be crazy not too. Sony wants that money too.

AzaziL4075d ago

hmm, pay to play online or pay to get a bunch of games monthly, which one sounds more greedy...

Dragos754075d ago

They both do but one is more business savvy. Sony won't charge for online because they never have,and that would come back to urt them. It's not because they don't want to. They have to find ways of making money from these services.

nevin14075d ago

I said many times over the years that at some point Sony would have model.

Sure it seems it online will still be free but I won't be surprised if it isn't.

Rainstorm814075d ago

"With one subscription you have access to thousands of games - that's our dream," he added

That's my dream as well....Sony seems to be trying to create a gaming version of Netflix

lovegames7184075d ago

As i have said before and a few others as well prior to Ps4 reveal when Gakai was acquired we all knew it was aiming to bring a Netflix game type service to Ps4. The only ppl thinking otherwise were the pseudo analyst on here that always have a negative opinion about something and know it all. Common sense doesn't always prevail on this site. You have a streaming game service of course they will offer streaming games under a service irregardless of whether or not everyone has fast bandwidth to accommodate it.

On that note i have Verizon fios 120 dl speeds and i cant wait to get my hands on the top tier service for the Ps4.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers16h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken3h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g12h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing12h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H912h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola9h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66911h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle11h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg1d 4h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 4h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola23h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies21d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken21d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga21d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken21d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6421d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12521d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91321d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91320d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit20d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher21d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit20d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher21d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken21d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2321d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder21d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts21d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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