Report: PS4 Heavily Integrated With Gaikai, YouTube, Social Networks

The new PlayStation also will allow players to share achievements on social networks through smoother links to Facebook or Twitter, while also enabling aspects such as sharing footage of game play online through YouTube, people familiar with Sony’s plans said. Sony’s new console may also allow users to compete against others using different hardware, such as smartphones and other portable devices

[Arai]

Good read, I wonder if Sony will integrate Google's services (talk, Chrome, Google+).
They seem to have an all-around package that could benefit everyone.

[darthv72]

I'm curious of what kind of compression used that could inhibit the visual quality PS3 games are known for.

then again, they could always cache a good portion of the game to the HDD to compensate. We will know more on the 20th.

edit: @kwiet... when it comes to video/audio compression, there are things like silverlight and other codecs that can do a really good job of compress/decompress on the fly. But then again a movie is a linear format. Meaning it plays from beginning to end with no variables in what happens as it plays.

Games are very different with constant variables to have to accommodate for.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I've been wondering if they're incorporating the same tools other streaming services like Netflix have been pushing on ISPs to get higher quality bitrates without needing super high end connections.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

I remember playing BF3 demo on gaikai early last year. They let you see the settings. It was 720p some medium and some high settings looked good though.

Funny enough I also played the pc version of alan wake on gaikai. I wonder if they could legally stream any xbox/pc multiplat game?

Anyway from what I seen with my own eyes It will do ps3 justice. It used around 8 mb/s at the time.

I have no doubt ps4 will be the best next gen console. Sony main focus is games as it should be.

What come to mind is that everyone is worried that ps4 will make people pay to play their old games.

I can imaging that since ps4 will still use blu ray you can just put the disk in to verify that you own a certain game? That seems smart.

[blackbeld]

"The new PlayStation also will allow players to share achievements on social networks through smoother links to Facebook or Twitter, while also enabling aspects such as sharing footage of game play online through YouTube, people familiar with Sony’s plans said. Sony’s new console may also allow users to compete against others using different hardware, such as smartphones and other portable devices, those people said."

If this is true then it will be great!

PS4 will be cheaper I guess. PS3 fat has BC hardware with PS2. Now its got Gaikai to do that.

[Ju]

I'm leaning myself out of the window here and say there won't be any PS3 BC, neither through Gaikai (this just doesn't work, people...) nor otherwise.

But what I still believe is, it will be possible to stream PS4 games (advanced remote play). Well, we'll see if I'd be the jerk Wed night. LOL.

But, what I'm curious is, if we also have advanced cross play, what was mentioned there. Like, online play across Vita, PS3 and PS4. And even safe games across the cloud and backporting of some of the PS4 features to the PS3 - like multi login, etc. Making this PlayStation "platform" not just a "device". Basically across multiple devices.

Remote play from PS4 to any device is possible if they put a HW decoder into the device and maybe use Gaikai's advanced encoders to do so. While streaming from a PS3 (a la remote play) only worked with some titles. I'd expect ALL PS4 games to support this, not just a handful.

BTW: Is nobody surprised this would actually fall inline with Sony's registration of it's "EyePad", basically a tabled with game controls?

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Unfortunately Sony seems to be really focusing on Gaikai with the PS4. I have a 120gb limit with my internet provider. Using Netflix alone eats up a lot of my available bandwidth.

I will be skipping the PS4 next gen. I just won't be able to afford the extra charges I will get from my internet provider from streaming games.

Real shame. I would love to play some of the PS1 classics.

We are still not there yet when it comes to cloud based gaming due to internet provider low bandwidth caps and high surcharges for going over it.

[blackbeld]

@lvlupgamer

"I will be skipping the PS4 next gen. I just won't be able to afford the extra charges I will get from my internet provider from streaming games."

The Xbox 720, will require an Internet connection to function, it will not work without it. And Netflix streaming is ok?

So you will stay with last gen?

Then you should change you're name to lvl down gamer.

[DragonKnight]

The one thing should understand and I hope will is that most of this WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE DAY 1.

That's always the problem with gamers and news like this, they get so hyped up expecting these features day 1 and then bash the companies endlessly until the features are released, and then they bash the companies for taking too long to implement them. THIS STUFF TAKES TIME!

[Lvl_up_gamer]

@ blackbeld

Only an idiot would believe the 720 will require a constant internet connection.

Please don't be an idiot.

Also note, a constant internet connection doesn't use up anywhere near the level of bandwidth of constant streaming. Especially for games.

[Red_Orange_Juice]

let's hope Gaikai = PC games on PS4

[dboyman]

@Lvl_up_gamer I agree. Not everyone can use streaming services like \Gaikai, especially in your case as well as not all places have decent broadband,like rural areas. Heck I know a few people who have consoles not connected to internet. We should get an optional "Premium Deluxe " model with Cell/Rsx built in for ps3 compatibility for those will to pay for that...

[OpenGL]

Cache a good portion of a video stream to the hard drive? Otherwise what exactly will they cache to the hard drive? The PS4 if running AMD hardware as the rumors suggest will not be able to run PS3 games in any form, so they'll have to streams or rewritten/ported just like PS2 HD classics or any game not originally developed for the PS3.

[Donnieboi]

Seriously they can divide up parts of a cloud game by putting parts of it on our local ps4's harddrive? How is that possible? Maybe for a movie or audio, but how will this work for an interactive game? Please tell me more as I am ezxcited for what this could also mean for ps3 owners. If this IS possible, then maybe ps3 owners can also play ps4 games via gaikai if portions of the game will save on the harddrive (which could significantly reduce the amount of bandwidth speed needed to be streamed per second...which also means that it MIGHT be able to stream almost lag-free even on low (yet still broadband) connections. Hmm, i'm no techy, but if i'm wrong, someone please explain the possibilities this may or may not have. Thank you.

[darthv72]

call it buffering if you like instead of cacheing.

i dont know how it will work but the idea of having some sort of local assets stored on the hdd that cut down on stream loading then by all means, sony and gaikai will be the ones to figure that out.

actually...doesnt home already do something like this? I know that it does something to cache the different areas you are in so the dynamic portion is the actual characters that wander about.

the backgrounds and static content never really changes so it helps cut down on loading.

[ArmGunar]

The main thing is games :P
A good line-up for launch, a good price !

Now if they can improve somes features or add feature, it would be great.
Like voice chat, group of friend, an OS improve and very fluid, a PS Store more fluid and fast

[Ripsta7th]

"Now if they can improve somes features or add feature, it would be great.
Like voice chat, group of friend, an OS improve and very fluid, a PS Store more fluid and fast"
They NEED voice group chat, this is a needed feature. I will be disapointed if they dont, and so will many

[ArmGunar]

It can't be implanted in PS3 because lack of RAM

With PS4, I hope they'll do it !

[AngelicIceDiamond]

The question is how much is Sony gonna charge for these? Sony owns Gaikai but the Gaikai studio itself needs revenue as well.

[wishingW3L]

maybe they will raise the price of PS+ by 10-20 dollars to include Gaikai support too while keeping online gaming free.

[Jobesy]

Good question. It could be a tier pricing. I see PS+ moving to a tiered pricing setup. Different packages for different tastes. My main concern is that Sony will keep online play free and have basic features like x-game chat and a small chunk of cloud storage.

[Ju]

Well, another not so popular opinion, but I also believe Gaikai will seize to exist. I'm guessing it will be completely integrated into the Sony Entertainment Network. I could imagine, some business customers will stay on until contracts expire. But other than that, I don't see that survive as and autonomous entity. Streaming games is not profitable. The tech however is very useful.

[Saigon]

From this now I am starting to realize what the patent Sony applied for, to read the purchased disk version, is really for. I am start to think the Gaikai service will give the user the option to stream the game live by popping in the disk from PS3 and maybe even the PS4. Or somehow use the tandem in some type of way. I guess that is the reason why the patent stated it needed to see if it was an official purchased game or a used game, maybe to determine how you receive the content. Either way this makes the 20th far more interesting.

[gedapeleda]

I know it's higly unreal but it would be nice if ps4 runs on some android os.

[xtremeimport]

I still think they should've used android in someway with the PSV.

even incorporating Google Play to expand their app market.

idk, just a thought.

[jay2]

I'll be keeping my PS3 due to my net connection then.

[NastyLeftHook0]

:D

[crazysammy]

I think this is the best use of your one bubble ever.

[ApolloTheBoss]

Not sure how I feel about this, but it would be cool if we could share gameplay videos. Like record headshots that have a one in a million chance of ever happening again.

[CommonSenseGamer]

To be honest I could not care about integration with social media sites, I don't do this on my PS3, 360 or Android tablet.

[StinKyNuGz]

awesome shit hell ya

[SOM3ROiD]

Yeah.. like, more stupid gameplay videos is what internet needs.

[GraveLord]

It's what made Minecraft so successful and to a certain extent games like LittleBigPlanet.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What do you mean "stupid" gameplay videos?

[SOM3ROiD]

I mean that every little kid can post videos and you have to go trough the million of them to find the one that actually is good for what you want it to be (fun/helpful/informative etc.)

It's like searching for the right porn flick. lol

[PirateThom]

Yes, how will I possibly avoid them? My computer automatically loads Youtube and searches for game play videos.

[BitbyDeath]

I'd be more excited about Gaikai if i knew for sure that an 8mb connection could handle it -_-

[IRetrouk]

8 meg should be enough, onlive recomends 5 for a smooth experiance, although saying that i have 120 and still get input lag :-( i think thats one of the biggest turn offs in streaming games.

[sprinterboy]

have 120mb myself dude and agree still lags, only slightly but i dont wont any lag

[superterabyte]

Who's your ISP if you're getting 120mb connections in the uk?

[IRetrouk]

Virgin, they are the fastest in uk, they upgraded me from 50 to 120 in june or july last year for free.

[superterabyte]

They're coverage is poor tho I can't get them

[DarkBlood]

how do u check your mb connection if u dont mind the asking?

[BitbyDeath]

SpeedTest works well enough.

http://www.speedtest.net/

[DarkBlood]

Ping: 14ms

download speed: 5.50

upload speed: 0.26

is that good? lol i wouldnt know but i can play online games smoothly at least on consoles for the most part so i can only guess its good

[Blackdeath_663]

well hopefully there will be and option to load some of the game on to your HDD or some way of pre-loading the game to provide a smother experience. i will be asking my parents to upgrade internet though because we have so many wireless devices in the house i get disconnected all the time

[M-M]

I have dial up.

[Hufandpuf]

these rumors are going to spoil the reveal.

[Cocozero]

Sounds like everything the 360 can already do...

[Zechs34]

It streams games, uploads directly to youtube, and automatically updates to social media?

Whoa. Your 360 is the bestest one ever...

:|

[turnerdc]

Sounds like OnLive. You can't directly upload to YouTube but you can directly upload to Facebook.

[ThatXboxGuy]

PS3 did all this too, before 360 even.And for free.
This however, is about taking it even further.

[zebramocha]

So the xbox has something similar to gaikai?

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

SO you should have NO problem whatsoever with this then.

[stage88]

How do you still have 3 bubbles with the mindless drivvel that comes out of your mouth.

[ThatXboxGuy]

PS4 is going to be a beast.

[Jek_Porkins]

So basically it's integrated with all the things that people have been hating on the Xbox 360 for having? Cool beans.

[PirateThom]

There's a difference when it has been Microsoft's core focus of the system vs something Sony already had but didn't make a huge deal of.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Explain to me how its different now? Xbox 360 does all this with out a service just an app store.

It'll be better integrated on the PS4 sure but Sony's doing what MS has been doing this gen. It's the same thing.

So yeah, it is integrating all the things that people have been hating the Xbox for plus more. There's nothing wrong with it its called getting with the times. As long as Sony creates new games then its fine.

@Below you know what I'm talking about. Sony is getting its entertainment apps happening in full force come next gen. Sony is doing what MS is now with the entertainment apps/social experiences just fully realized now on the PS4.

[Jek_Porkins]

Just because Microsoft advertised their entertainment packages doesn't mean they switched focus from gaming. When the 720 comes out, they should have ample first party titles for release because they've had extra time, at the same time they've managed to give 360 owners the AAA blockbuster titles that they bought their 360's for in the first place.

I realize this place is the Sony Defense Force, but people need to realize the double standard they have for their company of preference.

When Microsoft and Nintendo offer options for motion controls for casual they are horrible, when Sony does it with Move, they are great.

When Microsoft has apps and advertises entertainment they are losing focus, when Sony does it, it's awesome?

Get outta here!

[nukeitall]

@Jek_Porkins:

It's pointless to point out the obvious fanboyness going on.

Consumers will pick what they like, and if you went by the comments here, the original Wii/Xbox 360 would have been a total failure and nobody would buy them while PS3 would reign supreme.

Looking back at history that couldn't be further from the truth, as consumers in general see it differently and that is reflected in the sales.

[Qrphe]

The 360 allows you to stream your games from the Cloud and upload directly to YouTube?

Else, I'm pretty sure no one here would be excited for Facebook and Twitter.

[jonboi24]

Why do I have this weird feeling that the PS4 will be running on some sort of costume Android OS.

[jukins]

probably wont be android seeing as how sony probably wants to keep the ps4 as hack free as possible and if android is the foundation it will get cracked no matter what.

[krisq]

I want this costume OS to be black. Would fit to the costume of my TV.

[PirateThom]

I have my PS3 and Vita already set up with Facebook, Youtube and Twitter where applicable, from trophy updates on Facebook to PixelJunk 4AM Live Stream updates on Twitter to uploading footage directly to Youtube.

I like the integration and I'm glad it's taking it further and, we can only hope, more games make use of it.

[clintagious650]

I am soo AMPED & cannot wait to see what sony shows on the 20th.

[Pillsbury1]

2/20. Bring it.

[Skate-AK]

Google Chrome browser please.

[Prodigy-X]

2 more days - My body is ready.

[isarai]

I thought PS3 already does all of this, you can connect it to facebook and it automatically posts new trophies you earn, also it allows the recording and posting of video from the PS3 to youtube, it's just that not a lot of devs use it.

[Seraphemz]

just check this out... http://www.gaikai.com/about

" The future is bright" "the future of playstation"

I think that the 20th will be about Gaikai...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Honest question... Does N4G explode in a rage if the 20th is all about Gaikai and not the next Playstation console?

[Seraphemz]

Yes... I think that it does. Even though SONY has made NO comment that it was about the PS4, they would get blasted for not announcing it now.

[theDECAY]

They would be bastards to not. Especially without shutting down the rumors.

[nukeitall]

What if the next PS4 is Gaikai!?

You plug the new DS4 into the TV and stream Gaikai.

[Karpetburnz]

Maybe They will talk about both Gaikai and the PS4.

[majiebeast]

Its about Ps4 mainly but i think we will see what Gaikai can do for ps3,ps4 and Vita. If Kaz walks on with a Vita thats playing last of us from a Gaikai server thats gonna be hype.

[Neo-Axl]

Far too much has lead to the PS4 reveal, Sony know the hype behind the 20th has given them the attention they need, All of this hype.. rumours, leaks, blogs, would all be wrong?

I certainly hope not, It's the PS4 I'm sure.

[Williamson]

As long as sony has a lot exclusive games then Im happy. The ability to record video and take screenshots interests me a lot.

[WeskerChildReborned]

May sound stupid but if it has some good Youtube support and a good or decent web browser, that'll be great.

[DivineAssault]

cant wait! Everything about PS4 sounds great.. Not an expensive heavy muscle machine yet packs a great punch, smooth networking, cool apps, & no crazy forced gimmicks... Oh n gaikai opening up countless options for games, movies, demos, apps, etc.. I bet the PS4 PS store is going to be STUPID AWESOME!!! Modernized, fast, smooth, user friendly, & cool looking... Damn i cant wait to see it... Although theres a 99.9% chance they wont announce the price for quite some time, i cant see it being more than $450.. With that much, they can offer an amazing machine with gaikai making it future proof(er) cuz nothing is completely future proof

[Iltapalanyymi]

gee i wonder if that youtube integration will ever come to finland. ihad to snatch the youtube app for ps3 from US store.

[Karpetburnz]

I had to do the same thing, because Youtube on PS3 wasnt available in New Zealand until last week.

If its not available in NZ again on the PS4, Im just gonna create another U.S account and get it off the store.

[shivvy24]

same with australia

[devilhunterx]

Uh PS3/4 have trophies, not achievements.

[cleverusername]

Linking my psn account to spambook er I mean facebook and twitter? I'll be passing on that option!!

[MartinB105]

I'm still not really on board with this whole Gaikai streaming idea for PS3 backwards compatibility.

It's a nice idea in theory, but the latency issues involved in sending controller input to a distant server and waiting for the video frames to be sent back in response are going to make it annoying to play fast action games in practice.

I'll probably get the PS4, but I'll still be keeping my PS3 if I do.

[krisq]

I played some OnLive games though, and lag wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. I think Gaikai can only be better. Especially now, when Sony is backing up the infrastructure.

[blastcorp64]

I wonder how this will affect sonys strategy in expanding in developing countries who probably don't have the infrastructure to support all this streaming and what not

[SerodD]

I really hope sony's pushes this kind of tecnology foward, no one is doing it right now, and it just sound so promising and revolutionary, specially for console gamers. I mean having a console that doesn't need top end hardware to play top end games sounds awesome.

[rataranian]

We will know tomorrow. But it's sounding to me like PS4 is going to be a bust. If all they really plan to do is reveal a system that does pretty much everything you can do now if they wanted to, and no backwards compatibility or the whole used game thing then screw them.

[IcicleTrepan]

I like how the same people bitching about MS rumour of 'always connected' are also saying how great it is that Sony is heavily integrated with all of these online services... ITS THE SAME THING!

[theWB27]

It doesn't help to try and understand the hyprocrisy on this site. They will defend Sony by saying online is free. But they don't realize Xbox already offers most of these features on the 360. Which is why they charge for Live because they are constantly advancing what you can do. It's hilarious..but also a result of Sony getting bashed earlier this gen...people flipped and now over compensate for Sony.

[Dms2012]

So when Sony heavily integrates aps, its the second coming, if MS does it, they are coming to take your children. Got it. Now take my last bubble.

[jaymart2k]

How do you pronounce Gaikai?