GenGAME writes: "Nintendo’s biggest strength lines in forging strong relationships with its customers through its Nintendo-exclusive games. Building those strong relationships with customers builds trust between you and them and keeps them coming back for more. They trust you to make the games they want; you trust them to buy them when you make them.
"But Nintendo’s DRM policy isn’t built on trust – it’s built on paranoia and uncertainty, on an unwillingness to place faith in the customer to manage his or her own content. And, as you might expect, a lack of trust from above is bound to translate to a lack of trust from below.
"In hindsight, if there’s anything that’s characterized the loss of momentum following the Wii U launch, it’s a lack of trust."
Nintendo is preparing to make some kind of announcement about the mysterious paid membership service.
I can’t wait to be disappointed. /s
Honestly I hope it’s great but I have my doubts.
If you expect disappointment then you get disappointment. I'll be interested in more details for sure but I'm not expecting anything grand. We know it'll be $20 a year which is a pretty good deal, there is some sort of free game per month like PS+ and XBL Gold so that'll be good, and then I'm expecting it to launch day and date with Smash Switch and possibly cloud saves attached like PS+ (but I'm not expecting it).
That's not true at all. Plenty of times I've been pleasantly surprised when I had low expectations. If you get disappointment, then it's because whatever it is you're getting IS disappointing.
If I expect disappointment I'll get disappointment. Not how that works actually I've been pleasantly surprised on many occasions expecting the worst. I expect some form of VC announcement possibly a subscription associated ala Netflix with virtual console. That would be grand.
I HOPE there's a voice chat solution other than what's been detailed.
I HOPE there's a detailed progression system wide system in place.
I'll GET none of that.
But we'll see if any of that comes to fruition I'll be pleasantly surprised after expecting disappointnent.
See how that works
@Sm00thNinja,
Hell the Switch itself is a prime example. I had very low expectations for it when it was first announced. So far I have been very pleasantly surprised with it.
I’m not holding my breath. Sony made various improvements to PSN before PS+ became an optional thing, and even moreso before it became a mandatory thing.
Nintendo on the other hand haven’t done much to improve NS’s online before the subscription service takes effect. The NS’s convoluted way of utilizing voice chat is even more proof.
It'd going to be a step up for sure. Hopefully they listen to fans feedback on what we like or don't like. They claim that the $20 will include a lot of value. We shall see.
Consider for a second they couldn't even have basic voice chat on a system that launched in 2017... (something Xbox OG did in 2001) this is going to suck.
Dude, it's not that cannot provide voice chat, they got the money and resources to implement these features and beyond. They just choose not to.
My only theory about why it's because the after all this is a Japanese company. Most of these features are appealing to western audience. You think the vast majority of Japanese like to do that? the games itself do not appeal their market so I can see why.
But now that they are trying to do this , you down them and not giving credit for? Cmon! at least let them announced before passing you judgement so fast.
Why would I give them credit when other systems have done it without an app (and better) over 15 years ago?
I expected this at launch. Waiting this long is embarrassing. The chat app is embarrassing.
There are more that just Japanese fans playing Nintendo games, the gaming world has a huge online focus now. This in unacceptable.
cant wait what to hear what they're gonna have in store for us, and how much we're gonna have to pay for it.
" If the previously announced prices stay the same, you can subscribe for 1 month ($4), 3 months ($8), and 12 months ($20)."
For 1 year 20$ is a damn good price.
This service is a third of the price(ignoring discounts) of the competitors. As long as you aren't expecting a $60 service for $20, then I think everyone should be OK. Think what you would be willing to remove from the competitors service for half the cost. If they are similar, then either Nintendo is charging too little or the competitors are charging too much.
mmmm, I reserve judgement, but I think it will be a bunch of nonesense. Nintendo doesn't listen to fans, you can look at that ridiculous online chat setup they tried to shove down our throats.
As the Switch’s launch day creeps closer, the excitement will mount to crazy levels, blowing away the intense cynicism we see now about: a barebones lineup, motion/audio gaming, and online that’s either confusing or just downright insulting.
It's definitely no Xbox Live or PlayStation Network that's for sure and it doesn't look like it's up to par to make people actually pay to use it
Oh you have already experienced it? Listen, it SOUNDS like a sub-par service but until we actually use it we won't know.
No moon man I haven't used it yet obviously but they have stated that they're going to not let you keep the rental game that you get per month so that's already a huge disadvantage for their service as Xbox Live and PSN give you at least two free games per system a month that are yours to keep as long as your a member so to me and to the rest of the world it's a subpar service but I would love to hear you explain to me how that's not
The fact that you need to use your phone to utilize common features that should be on the Switch Native, is a slap in the face.
Do this guy or the guy who wrote the article even know it's free for the first 3 months?
It's actually free for the first 7 months. They're going to launch the paid version of the service in the fall.
I was about to say, I think it's even longer than that , I think it's something like the start of 2018 or something like that that they start charging.
Well that's good. I just hope you don't need to provide your CC to sign up for those Free 3 (or 7 months).
While the online does seem really odd, and the idea of using a phone app for everything boggles my mind, Reggie did say that they were aiming to make their service very affordable for gamers. So I think assuming it's going to cost the same as PSN/XBL wouldn't be right. I'm thinking $25 per year sounds more believable. I do hope that the phone app can also eventually be used on the Switch itself though.
I'm hoping for $10 or less a year for that service. I'll bet it's at least $30 or more a year, knowing Nintendo.
Like they made the weak specced switch affordable?
The accessories affordable?
People need to finally wake up when it comes to Nintendo
@Darkkent
That's why I said, "I was hoping." We know it won't be that cheap. This is Nintendo. They rarely lower their game prices after 3 years on the market.
It's even more of an insult that some people will even damage control this subpar service
Its not really an insult till we get more information.
1. Cost
2. Games offered
3. Strength of the service vs psn and xbl
4. Will it burn up my data faster than using miiotomo or pokemon go.
But looking at nintendos report card so far its looking like another way for nintendo to screw over its consumers. They look at how ms and sony are annually raking in $$$ from consumers and want in.
I expect the service to be inferior, games to be offered older than most millennials (rumored) all while being charged 50$ annually like others. Then and only then ill be insulted with laughter!
So having to use a smartphone to use basic features that should be in the console itself isn't an insult?
Charging for online when the company hasn't aggressively tried to improve the network prior to the conference isn't an insult?
The monthly free game situation is the great st insult of all.
-They're reportedly not giving away free NS, Wii U & 3DS titles.
- The titles won't even be classic N64, GCN, or Wii titles.
- They're only giving away one game per month and not multiple.
- The NES or SNES game will only be available for one month and then be gone from your account.
- Nintendo had a cheat sheet on how to operate from such service from IGC and GWG for years and they still chose to ignore it
The fact the console is close to a month away and we still don't have all the details yet is even more insulting. There's no way around it.
Evidentally i wasnt done writting yet... Read my closing argument lmao... Then give me back my agree!
That and we don't know what are all the launch games are going to be, details about the specs (give us something), and like you said really vague on the online part. I just don't understand but the diehards defend it to death. It really doesn't feel like it's launching in a month. Oh but it has Zelda at launch and that erases everything even though it skipped an entire generation.
All we know is that it will give us a free trial of a NES or SNES game for a month with some sort of online functionality. And that we will be able to join lobbies and whatnot through a smartphone app.
This isn't "zero", you're right, but it's not enough info to say that the service as a whole sucks and is an insult. Although those tidbits do sound pretty damn bad already.
I will be holding final judgment until Nintendo clarifies it all properly.
Why is anyone excited for this???? Explain to me please what really is the big difference from the switch to the Wii U??? Is the only difference the gamepad for the switch you can now take in a car for a trip??? How many trips do ppl actually take anyways??? I mean the battery life is pretty much the same...extremely shitty! There's still gonna be hardly any 3rd party support again for the 20th straight year. It's gonna have shitty gimmick games again like 1 2 switch and arms. There's no pack in game with the switch. Their charging $50 for 1 2 switch when it should be a free pack in game like Wii sports. U can't use any old controllers for the switch so u have to buy all new joy cons or a pro controller by the way which cost $70 FUCKING DOLLARS!!! That's more than a PS4 or Xbox one controller and those controllers are WAY better I'm sure. Only really 2 must buy games for all of 2017 and that's zelda and mario. And anybody who owned a Wii U I'm sure already bought Mario kart 8, and who wants to have to rebuy that for $60 again just for 5 extra characters and battle mode??? Even though battle mode should of been in the game in the first fucking place!! Another underpowered system. Their charging for online now which how many games are actually gonna utilize online I mean really?? Nintendo isaint gonna get call of duty or battlefield or any popular shooter game. Small ass joy cons for 12 yr old hands. No sign of Metroid, Earthbound, Pokémon. I feel like they rushed this system out cause the Wii U flopped extremely hard it only sold 13 million units their worst console ever and now everyone is all hyped for a new Nintendo system that's practically the same damn thing!! I don't get it Nintendo is the most stubborn gaming company they don't listen or care what the fans want so I hope the switch fails....which we all know it will once fans wake up and this honeymoon phase is over and realize after they beat zelda and see there's nothing to play til Christmas everybody's switch's will be gaining dust and will fail just like the Wii U. They'll be the next sega and turn into just a software company and they can just put their games on the PS4 and Xbox one! Everyone should want that
Well, the stuff we know so far about needing a mobile phone app for matchmaking and voice chat is rather an odd choice, but for the rest we know nothing whatsoever about their new online service so we can't say it's an insult just yet.
Why are there so many doom and gloom articles about any subject these 'journalists' can find? It's tiring
It does sound pretty terrible. Hopefully Nitnendo does a 180 but I doubt it.
Unlikely. There won't be a mass boycott of the system like what happens with XBO. The core nintendo gamers (the ones who will use this as their primary system) will buy it in droves. I myself am getting it because I just want it for the first party games. It's a secondary console for so I won't be exposed to a lot of the crappy stuff (except the over pricing of course but I can put up with that).
I'm not against the idea of paying for online service, but I am if it doesn't include basic features like lobbies or voice chat without the need for a phone. If you need to use your phone to use online, Nintendo shouldn't be charging you money for it.
I would happily give up the "free" game each month in exchange for lobbies and voice chat on the console.
Looks like Nintendo is trying to cut corners and nickel and dime their fans. This is usually a sign a company knows a product is doomed.
too bad we don't know anything about it. Please wait for more details. You might just be surprised, but don't expect it to be a clone of the other two.
100% AGREE. Their whole plan insults me as a gamer. I will not reward these greedy pigs. They have not learned anything.
You lot no shit until you've tried it stop listening to the media and use your own brains and make
Your own decisions.
Too soon to judge it. We only know a couple of details, and both of them sound pretty bad, but they don't come anywhere close to painting the whole picture for us about what the Nintendo online service will entail.
I will wait until Nintendo tells us more about it. They should give out more info before the Switch actually releases. They're bound to... right? Right?
Nintendo Switch discussion is revving up as we prepare for the console's reveal, but can this 2017 handheld rise above the Wii U's mistakes? Here are five reasons, based on specs and price, why a second failure is possible.
I think Switch will be cool for a portable console, where Nintendo rules. But in term of home console thats another story and will have the worst version of 3rd party studios when the get the games. The lack of power is a reality.
Then again, it will sell millions and take the place of 3ds.
No.
All nintendo handhelds sold well, back in the day. But now it most definitely won't.
Since the advent of smartphones, and the availability of it (even 10 year olds are carrying powerful smartphones.) the mass production of free to play apps.
Now there is no need to get handhelds anymore. Especially if it doesn't fit easily in your pockets.
How do you know the Switch versions of everything will be the worst versions?
You're under the erroneous assumption that every single AAA game third parties make from here on out are going to be designed so that they only look or play well on the highest specs; that's simply not the case, especially with many JRPG's, which the Switch is going to get a good amount of thanks to the huge list of Japanese devs working on it.
I can guarantee you that, if rumors of ease-of-dev and the different engines it supports are true, it'll get games that look just as good as their counterparts, so long as devs aren't lazy about optimization.
Also, no, it's not taking the 3DS's place.
The 3DS isn't being phased out, but the Wii U is, and its specs being best while docked, it not getting direct ports of 3DS games, it focusing on core home console games, and it not having two-screens-at-once play, all show that it's not gunning to cannibalize 3DS sales, especially when the 3DS is still selling well and will probably get its own successor in the next couple of years.
Most will use it in the dock, where the power is best and the options are widest.
People might not want to accept it as a home console due to its specs because they think it will severely limit the system [despite reports claiming it's the easiest one to dev for and that no one's having issues with it like they did with the Wii U], but then again, people also forget that the weaker consoles of each gen have generally also been the ones to get the most support, with the PS4 being the exception to the rule.
How do you know the Switch versions of everything will be the worst versions? You must be joking. If the spec that were leaked are true, a console with 1 teraflop in 2017 what do you expect?
Monkey, you're such a fan boy in denial. Again you're here with lots of bla bla bla. Trying to convince yourself the Switch will have a better faith then the horrible failed Wii-u. Looking at all the LONG comments you posted you must be p!ss!ing your pants your so worried this gimmick of a toaster will fail.
The power has traditionally not really limited the weaker consoles from getting great games and/or sales each gen, with the Wii U being the exception, and many of the recent reports are stating that the Switch has architecture that makes it the easiest of the three to make ports for in terms of multiplats.
Those reports could be wrong, but the majority of them are positive, unlike before the Wii U launched, so it's unlikely that you're correct. The Switch is most likely not a second Wii U, and you should at least give it the chance to shine before writing it off.
Does the Wii U have Unreal Engine 4?
Does the Wii U runs the latest version of Unity, Vulkan, Open GL 4.5 and others gaming tools, engine and API.
Answer: NO.
The Nintendo Switch is more modern than the Wii U. In fact it;s the most modern system right now in terms of what it supports.
The Switch had way way way more Japanese support. It actually has the 3DS Japanese Publishers/Developers on board. And a few new ones such a From Software and same Wii U western support but with couple not there and few added such Bethseda.
Sorry but Japanese games alone isn't enough to win everyone. You'd be lying to yourself if you said the system doesn't need Red Dead, Final Fantasy, Battlefield etc.
P.S not everyone has a PC nor owns multiple systems. ;)
That's a bad comment I agree with the other guy did you see how many new ip square enix made for the 3ds, some with final fantasy name and others with a unique name......and just like dragon quest they sold.....so those games will continue with better graphics on the new handheld.........even grand theft auto was made for Nintendo handheld, so Nintendo handheld never had the issues its main console have....since all of japan will be on it since they love handhelds, Nintendo in a good spot to get games and like the other person said they will be good on Asian games but we have to see what western teams do
I am not everyone.
Since Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on PS2 I have always played Battlefield on PS.
I have no interest in Red Dead.
FF is Japanese franchise.
Unlike you I support multiple system.
You're lying to yourself if you think Japanese games aren't popular enough over here to be a huge benefit to the Switch.
People love games like Katamari Damaci, Final Fantasy [that's Japanese, so I dunno why you even bothered including it in your list.], Tales Of, and plenty of others.
P.S. The majority of people saying they "can't afford a second system" are just too lazy to save up a second time like they did the first.
If you can afford a $400+ PS4 Pro on top of an equally-priced PSVR, then I'm sorry, but you are not so poor that you cannot afford to save up for a $249 Switch.
Owning multiple systems is the best way to game. Anyone denying this without a logical reason, such as having lost their job recently or having acquired a ton more living expenses recently that take away from hobby money [such as a new child in the family], is little more than a loyalist, who IS missing out on a lot of games that they'd otherwise enjoy if they weren't so idiotically biased.
It's why I switched out from being purely Nintendo around the time the PS2 came out, and eventually got into gaming on PC's as well.
Gamers who are really serious about their hobby don't intentionally limit themselves to one console with bullshit excuses.
"Does the Wii U have Unreal Engine 4?
Does the Wii U runs the latest version of Unity, Vulkan, Open GL 4.5 and others gaming tools, engine and API.
Answer: NO."
You're right about that. But remember, the switch is now going up against the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio. The Wii U went up against the PS3 and Xbox 360. See how that turned out? What makes a console successful? Its the gamers. If gamers cant get 3rd party games from the Switch, they will switch console (no pun intended) that will allow them to play 3rd party games. If the Switch is that under powered as a home console, it will repeat the same failure that the Wii U went through.
Wii U never went up against PS3 or X360. They media did. Same with how the media pitch 3DS first year against the PSP until the Vita came and saw the Vita being a failure and decided not to put 3DS vs Vita as a thing.
Switch is going up against basic PS4 and xbone, developers aren't going to focus on mid gen upgrades, just like they never do when handhelds do the same thing, they'll be used to make certain games run better/smoother. You're kidding yourself If you think developers are going to make the pro, and Scorpio they're main systems to develop on.
Funny you said the Switch is going up against the basic PS4 and Xbone because if the specs for the Switch are true, they its still weaker then both those systems.
Lol, there's a difference between people announcing support and actually supporting it.
That's what happened to the wiiu. All these publishers came out and said they will support it. Only to flop later on.
There were also a lot of developers out there, before the Wii U released, claiming the system's specs were horrible. Some from EA especially.
The Switch isn't seeing or hearing those complaints, and is in fact not only seeing the opposite of complaints, but is actually getting lots of compliments on top of MANY more devs than the Wii U had.
The Wii U is in the past. Assuming the Switch will be the same when the signs point to it being in a better position, is more than a little naive.
Nintendo will have to be careful with the price since most people will see it as just another Nintendo handheld
Most advanced piece of tech????.... As far as a handheld... Sure... As far as a home console... Not by a long shot. The ps4 had like what 1.8 tf with 8gb of ram... In 2013... The switch is rumored to have 4 gb of ram and near 1 tf of power in 2017... My reason for stating all this is that the switch cant compete with the ps4 or xb1 because its the size of a tablet! Had they made a traditional console maybe we could talk shop. But they went for their cashcow the handheld because their home console market went sour. How anyone could think the switch would be able to pull off all these amazing feats the 8th gen consoles are, are only making themselves look foolish.
Wonderfulmonkeyman:
I think youre forgetting sony is leading the pack on small factor consoles. They are the masterminds at making a console thats unbelievablely small for the tech inside the box. Forget about the 2013 ps4. Lets look at the 2016 xb1s and ps4s (you know, those consoles that released a few months ago?). Both of these companies have done everything in their power to one up the competition. Do you think if sony or ms could make a system the size of a tablet and still be powerful they would? Im not saying the switch wont be powerful for what it is. Its probably the most advanced handheld to date. But you and i both know nintendo is not going for bleeding edge tech. They want it to be affordable 1st, meaning they wont lose $ day one, 2nd they want a wow factor to reel in casuals and mellinials, and third they consider power. As neither of us has a crystal ball i can only make an assumption from past nintendo choices spanning 30 years but recently in the past 10 years and how small that device is how well it will garner third party support. As that seems to be the BIGGEST concern about nintendo moving forward. But the biggest problem isnt will it be powerful enough, its will nintendo fans rush out to buy the dark souls and call of dutys... If the answer is no 1-2 years from now, you have a bigger problem within nintendo than worrying about power. I hope for nintendos sake they are successful with the switch. Because if its another wiiu scenario i fret for the future of your fav piece of plastic.
If its comparable to current consoles i will buy it but if its a wii u case again, count me out, i bought the wii u launch day and was collecting dust fo 8 months till i decided to sell it!!!
In Japan consumers want more portable gaming devices. Younger gamers tend to want this as they dont have a lot of time at home they seem to always be on the go and when on the go they are riding in the back seat doing nothing, but older gamers e.a. Adults which makes up the majority of gamers, arent. When we are not at home we are at work we dont have a lot of time on the go to play games and we traditional powerful home consoles, not gimped mobile devices. Nintendo was never about the most powerful hardware they have always been about middle of the road, just good enough hardware to make fun games. The Snes wasnt the most powerful, but with its custome chips and techniques they were able to make it seem more powerful at the time. They're idea of fun games hasnt changed and thats the real problem.
Nintendo has been around a long time they are over 100yrs old as a company so they do make right moves, they do make good games but I grew tired of Mario and other signature franchises long ago. Mario sunshine was the last Mario game I played and it was fun but got boring fast.
Nintendo needs to change to some degree or they wont be around another 100yrs.
You seem to forget the fact that not only is the Switch seeing far more praise from devs than the Wii U, but that it's also supporting modern engines, including the full console/PC version of Unreal 4, not the mobile version.
That and the fact that many of the negative rumors of its specs are based off of the July dev kits, which were older and less powerful than the ones sent out in October.
Also, the strongest system of each gen has not generally won, PS4 being the exception to the rule.
If you honestly think that the Switch won't be a capable machine that will host and handle great home console games in a satisfactory manner, you yourself are the foolish one. Moreso because you underestimate how advanced smaller tech like the Switch will use has become, than for any other reason.
I think youre forgetting sony is leading the pack on small factor consoles. They are the masterminds at making a console thats unbelievablely small for the tech inside the box. Forget about the 2013 ps4. Lets look at the 2016 xb1s and ps4s (you know, those consoles that released a few months ago?). Both of these companies have done everything in their power to one up the competition. Do you think if sony or ms could make a system the size of a tablet and still be powerful they would? Youre acting like as ONLY nintendo has the ability to make great tech with nano technology. Im not saying the switch wont be powerful for what it is. Its probably the most advanced handheld to date. But you and i both know nintendo is not going for bleeding edge tech. They want it to be affordable 1st, meaning they wont lose $ day one, 2nd they want a wow factor to reel in casuals and mellinials, and third they consider power. As neither of us has a crystal ball i can only make an assumption from past nintendo choices spanning 30 years but recently in the past 10 years and how small that device is how well it will garner third party support. As that seems to be the BIGGEST concern about nintendo moving forward. But the biggest problem isnt will it be powerful enough, its will nintendo fans rush out to buy the dark souls and call of dutys... If the answer is no 1-2 years from now, you have a bigger problem within nintendo than worrying about power. I hope for nintendos sake they are successful with the switch. Because if its another wiiu scenario i fret for the future of your fav piece of plastic.
Nintendo continues to put out "toys" in an industry that has evolved in to much more. Switch will mirror the WiiU in every way. Feel bad for anyone who invests in this garbage.
You're honestly lying to yourself if you think video games aren't toys...
Sure the industry has grown into something so massive but in the end you are still playing with fancy toys.
Feel bad for yourself; the rest of us will gladly keep a Switch next to our other consoles, rather than being a closed-minded Sony/XBox/PC loyalist who thinks he's "too grown up" for Mario and Zelda.
Nintendo need to stop smelling your own farts and bring something out that is at least on par with current consoles not underpowered jokes
Ten bucks says you weren't spouting that drivel when Sony released an underpowered DVD player by the name of the PS2, which sold millions and had a fantastic lineup of games despite its lower-end tech.[which I still happen to enjoy to this day]
You need to stop drinking the tech whore kool-aid; specs are important, but they aren't the end-all-be-all to how good a console's support will be, especially when the majority of every gen has seen the weakest come out on top, the PS4 being the exception to the rule.
I'm starting to feel bad for Nintendo. They just can't seem to release a powerful home console. I don't know why that is, but IMO they need to cut it out with the gimmicks and just release a powerful home console. Something that is at least on par with the competition.
because when it is not docked, and running at half speed the performance is similar to the WiiU
Geez, can you stop thinking rumors are facts. You know nothing about the Switch and if you think the RUMORED $250 - $300 price range is "outrageous and expensive" then you need a new hobby. Stop being negative ffs just because you want to start the hipster hate train and spin a bunch of misinformation before anything is officially revealed then please stop blogging. It's people like you that truly made the WiiU fail with the crazy amount of misinformation you vomit onto the internet, sure Nintendo didn't do a great job marketing the WiiU to begin with but you hating to be cool made it way worse than Nintendo ever could have. At least the WiiU still had a great library which you won't admit or even look at. But fine, be the fanboy. Don't play it, don't touch it, don't look at it and miss out on what is potentially a great experience but if you do you have no right writing about it when you know nothing.
Don't you dare blame anyone else besides Nintendo for the Wii-U being a failure. We, who read the gaming news, are in the minority. A bit more reads IGN etc, then the vast majority absolutely do not read gaming news etc. They don't read 'opinion' pieces. Make no mistake Nintendo did this to themselves and it looks like they're doing it again. I just pity them at this point.
Sure the majority don't read it but like you said we in the community DO read the crap bloggers put out and in this age of "fake news" a lot gets passed off as truth with no research. Where do people like us tend to work, a lot work in retail (Gamestop, Target, Walmart) who then read these hate blogs and are not intelligent enough to actually research the truth, who then get asked by ones who don't know anything, who are then told this misinformation, which turns into that one in the majority not buying it because they believe what the uneducated employees pass on. Like I said, Nintendo didn't do a good job to start but the hate train was more harmful to the WiiU than Nintendo was.
How about you step back and review your criticism in a more balanced light, instead?
Even if most of the fault was Nintendo's, there was still much more at play than just Nintendo's screw-ups that hurt the system; trolls downplaying its lineup and third parties releasing few games worthy of mentioning when they had all the room in the world and experience in working with weaker hardware also played a fair share in the console's fall from grace, amongst other things.
Or are you really going to try and tell us that Nintendo was the one who decided that it was the smarter choice to release stuff like Mass Effect 3, instead of a complete series collection that released not long afterwards, Sniper Elite V2 without multiplayer, and Call of Duty with none of the DLC content at all besides one token freebie map?
None of that was necessary, and none of it was Nintendo's decision.
Nor was it Nintendo's fault that haters decided to downplay the few third party ports that actually WERE worth a damn and DID look as good as their counterparts on other systems, leading to them being ignored instead of praised for measuring up.
It's fine to blame Nintendo for their crap marketing, lack-luster ongoing support, and weak VC amongst many other complaints, but don't you DARE sit there and pretend that Nintendo's mistakes were the only factor that dragged the Wii U down before it could get the sales it deserved.
@ Summons75, you're just speculating. Each consoles has it's trolls from inside the 'bubble'. You're also assuming these trolls will somehow have an agenda in a place like Gamestop. Most people know exactly what they want when they walk into a gamestop. You're a flat out WRONG. Nintendo by far did the most harm. You're grasping at really pathetic straws here. Do you really think the majority walk into a gamestop and ask "which console should I buy?". Your argument holds no weight whatsoever. It's a bloody joke is what it is.
At first, I was sold. Hell yeah, a way to play console games on the go. I wanted Sony to do this awhile ago w/ addition of Vue and Now and a ton of free or cheap apps too, maybe a partnership w/ Android or Apple.
But the more I think about it, the more worried I am for these very reasons. Do they have support? Will there be NEW games to play? It will be the 4th best way to play console games, and the 3rd best way to play mobile behind phones and the DS. As much as people want console games on the go, how often will people play full retail games while moving?
We will see, but without cheap apps, the phones will continue to dominate. Otherwise their only competition is themselves.
Playing the latest zelda and Mario titles alone let alone Skyrim on the go makes this the best choice for mobile gaming.
The fact that's it's underpowered (yet again) means it won't be running games that its competition does. The architecture isn't easy to port to meaning it'll need specifically designed versions of multiplatform games.
Unless this console gets a significant install base that will make third parties a profit I can't see this not being a Wii U.
The original Wii U was comparable to the PS3 and 360 at the time before PS4 and Xbone came out. Look how that turned out...
I like how you think you know what you're talking about. Are you a Switch developer? No? Okay then shut the hell up then.
Your very first line is a complete lie.
In fact, if you're the type to take rumors into consideration, the majority of them have been stating that the Switch is not anywhere near as hard to dev for as the Wii U was, and in fact is actually the easiest of the three to dev for.
Also, you're forgetting that, prior to the PS4, the majority of the winners in each gen were the weaker systems, and they got PLENTY of great games to get them afloat and keep them there.
Power will not determine, with any certainty at all, whether or not the system will see a healthy line-up of desireable games.
Uh my first line is not a complete lie
http://wccftech.com/nintend...
And it's funny how you keep fighting me on things I say every single time I comment on a Switch article. Remember how I kept saying it wasn't going to be as powerful as a PS4 and Xbone and even pasted links to articles explaining that it wouldn't and yet you fought me on that one... here we are with you being wrong and me being right?
'Member? Ohhhh yea, I 'member!!!
Second I'm not saying it's hard to develop for. I'm saying that the architecture doesn't lend itself to a simple port meaning that devs have to actually develop from the ground up a version of a game specifically for the Switch. Also, from what I'm hearing in the RUMOR department is 2 versions of the game might have to be made another being an optimized version for the portable.
And for once stop being a blind Nintendo fanboy and think about bringing an underpowered console to the market especially in this day and age. Do you really think many outside of being a brand loyalist of Nintendo will want a Switch over a PS4 Pro or and Xbox Scorpio?
The answer is NOOOOOO!!!! They sure as crap didn't do it with the Wii U and that even came out of the box with a slew of third party games with Nintendo claiming to have that third party support.
That's the key is third party support, but uh... who wants to play a watered down version of say Red Dead Redemption 2 (if that even comes out for the Switch... which it won't but let's say it does for the sake of the argument)?
I'm guessing not a lot outside of delusional Nintendo fanboys.
So it comes down to install base and third party support, which if history is any indication will start off strong and then peter out.
I'm sorry, pal we'll come back to this conversation in a couple years so I can tell you, "Told you so."
#1 From your linked article: "Bare: I have no idea. There are discussions around it, but there is no conclusion yet."
Meaning you did lie, as there's no actual conclusion.
#2 " Remember how I kept saying it wasn't going to be as powerful as a PS4 and Xbone and even pasted links to articles explaining that it wouldn't and yet you fought me on that one... here we are with you being wrong and me being right?
'Member? Ohhhh yea, I 'member!!! "
Yeah, I remember that you've taken NEGATIVE RUMORS as truth despite them being based off of older and less powerful dev kits from back in July, and even back then there were devs saying the tech inside was good and easy to dev for, while NONE of them were saying it sucked, like some devs did about Wii U.
Most rumors, in fact, place it inbetween the PS4 and XB1, and a couple are even saying that it shares architectural language with the other two, and is the easiest of the three to dev for.
So yeah, sit your ass down on that one.
" Also, from what I'm hearing in the RUMOR department is 2 versions of the game might have to be made another being an optimized version for the portable. "
Bethesda said Skyrim will be the same game on both screens, and you know as well as the rest of us that that rumor is unbelievably ridiculous.
# 3 "And for once stop being a blind Nintendo fanboy and think about bringing an underpowered console to the market especially in this day and age"
Oh, you mean like the PS4 and XB1? Because those are basically just underpowered PC's, but you just don't give a damn because the power argument only matters to you when you can use it to Nintendo bash.
You're an even bigger fanboy for them than you claim me to be for Nintendo.
You don't even acknowledge that the weakest consoles have traditionally won their gens and made lots of money(PS2 says **** off with that bs), because it goes against your hater narrative of the Switch having no shot at all of finding success no matter how many Japanese or Western third party games it gets.
#4 "So it comes down to install base and third party support, which if history is any indication will start off strong and then peter out. "
You don't have the right to use history as a reference, let alone evidence, at this point, because you're being purposefully ignorant of the differences in tone, acceptance, and support between the Switch and the last two consoles Nintendo made, especially in terms of how devs are receiving it.
In two years time, I'll be laughing and playing on both the Switch and PS4, while you'll still be sitting here like an idiot, insisting you're too "grown up" to play Nintendo games regardless of how well they do.
Lol, ok once again with you...
#1) It's an underpowered console that due to it being under clocked on the portable side won't be able to handle games that push current gen consoles to the max. I don't understand how you can't get that.
#2) I'm going to stand my ass up again. I gave links talking about the freakin' chip to you that wasn't rumor. It was already discussed how it would be in between the Tegra X1 and X2. Tegra X1 is based off of a low-powered set that’s designed for mobile devices!!! How in the world did you get fooled into thinking this would be in between an PS4 and an Xbone. Sorry but that's stupid if you actually truly believed it would be.
Also Skyrim... a game from last-gen. It damn well better be the same on both screens. Oh but what about actual current-gen games? So why don't you sit your ass down, fanboy.
#3) all consoles are underpowered compared to PCs. That is the dumbest statement if we're talking about the console arena. Consoles have their exclusives that aren't on PCs... I'm sorry but we're talking about consoles here. And in this arena Nintendo constantly fails more than succeeds.
Me a fanboy? Bwahahahahaha yea because I commend Microsoft and Sony and tell it like it is with Nintendo? Awwww, I'm sorry did I hurt your feelings talking about how Nintendo constantly drops the ball and that with the NX I was really hoping they'd do it right this time only to pull a Nintendo move again?
Also why do you think the PS2 was so successful? Could it be because it had established a strong install base before Gamecube and the new Microsoft console? Also, *gasp* how about that third party support? They sure got it and while things looked better on a Gamecube and an Xbox they still got all the mutiplatform releases... curiously enough too they got a pretty big Gamecube exclusive.
Nintendo should learn from the PS2 and continue the third party support... oh wait, they can't because it isn't worth the development cost due to lackluster sales on the consoles. We've got a new console coming from a failing console in competition against Sony and Microsoft and it's another console from Nintendo going off the beaten path doing what Nintendo does best...
#4) Hahaha -- oh wait, you're serious? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yea in the 2 years time you'll be playing the Switch, big whoop. I could give a sugar frosted f*ck off the end of my **ck what you'll be doing in 2 years. I'm talking about the success of the Switch in a few years time. This has nothing to do with how "grown up" I think I am or what you'll be doing in that time. I'm talking about a company that I want to get their sh*t straight that continually drops the ball and in trying to pick it up keeps kicking it.
Check.
You know... I'm not sure why, even as a Nintendo fan, you are in such denial. I'm not going to break down every single thing you go on and on about but a few notes are as follows...
You argued that 'you don't have the right to use historical data as a reference'. I hate to tell you this bro, that's exactly what histoical data is used for and in this case it is absolutely correct. Nintendo has had a notorious time locking down third part support for generations now and that's likely not going to change with the switch. The platform and it's hardware are too different from the current models much less the Pro and Scorpio.
Speaking of hardware. You are totally ignoring what the hardware it uses was designed for, and spoiler warning, it wasn't designed to replace the big gpu market. You are looking at a chipset designed exclusively for mobile platforms like shield, childrens tablets, and netbooks. In fact my three year old sons tablet is built with this hardware. I question these 'rumors' regarding the power sitting between XBO and PS4 for two reasons...
1) Because I haven't seen anyone with any knowledge of the hardware cone to this conclusion
2) The primary holdout for the current assumptions on the hardware is that Nintendo has had some chipset that magically has more power than is really propable at that cost.
I'm not even getting in to the fact that the basic hardware configurations have already been finalized if the platform plans to release in 2017. This dream that Nvidia dreamed something up that's suddenly going to compete with XB/PS level power when it can only decently run a stripped down version of Doom 3 on shield is absurd. If this was the case people would say 'fuck it' to buying a gaming pc and just pick up some random chromebook.
Look man it's fine to be hyped up for something but you need to check those expectations.
Furthermore... As far as I know the Bethesda Exec only stated Skyrim would be supported on Switch. He didn't mention if this was a port of the 360/PS3 version or a build of the Special Edition on XBO/PS4. Either way CrimsonWing is correct in that it's technically a six year old game that you are hardcore going on about.
I remember those days,leaving you're console on cause there wasn't no way to save.
But back then most games where big loops of levels until you ran out of lives.
With the device being a portable I actually think it's going to Market to their larger install base.
I think they will be fine. Their portable Market has never really focused on power or specs. If they maintain relationships with the Japanese developers that supported their previous Portables I think they will be fine.
Specs aren't everything. The ds, 3ds and ps2 prove that. Give me fun games and we good
I will only accept a Switch price as high as $399 for the best bundle as if it is any more than that I wont get it its as simple as that since the graphics & specs, hard drive space will never reach PC, X1 & PS4 levels the price should match
From my perspective, the Switch's strength could very well be its weakness.
It'll be the go to system for all Nintendo games going forward, whether they were previously console or handheld centric. So that's good.
But... it'll be underpowered for a home console and have the worst 3rd party support, and as a handheld the thing is massive, not something you can slip into your pocket or just pop into a bag. I'm a big fan of handheld gaming but I have no interest in the Switch right now.
I'm not sure Nintendo will ever get out of the ditch it's dug for itself.
Nintendo is so clueless and they are hoping to strike that Wii gold by putting the most minimal of effort with the tech.
As we can see with the Vita, no one wants a dedicated portable handheld and especially a hybrid.
What makes the 3DS and smartphones/tablets so appealing is the 3DS is small and caters to that casual crowd. The smartphones cater to the casuals and have other more important uses outside of gaming.
The Switch will not, unless of course Nintendo strictly releases a ton of casual games. Which they just might.
PSP proved consumers did like a console experience on the go. The issue with Vita was its expensive proprietary memory cards being a huge deterrence to many future buyers and the dramatically dwindling market for dedicated handhelds.
That was the only issue with the Vita? I disagree completely.
"the dramatically dwindling market for dedicated handhelds."
This is the main reason which I said.
Minimum effort? Just because tech is weaker, doesn't mean it's minimum effort, Nvidia has stated that over 500 man years have been put into the chipset for this system. That's not exactly minimum effort.
Just because their tech doesn't match up in raw power doesn't mean it's not good tech. It takes a lot of power to put the same game on two seperate screens, let alone something like starfox zero where the system is outputting two seperate screens
What is the obsession with power in gaming consoles? Until they are upgradable like PCs arguing about power in them is pointless. They are always outdated as soon as they hit the market. PC will always blow consoles out of the water, especially now since you can build a gaming PC relatively cheap and easy.
Horrible miniature controllers, ugly toaster with 3 year old underpowered tech. Nintendo is just hopelessly stubborn and deaf to what players want.
This will go down the same cliff as the Wii-u. And ofcourse you won't see kids gathering around a small @ss screen playing with small @ss controllers on the go. Even the way they market the Switch is out of touch with how people play their games. Hopeless.
I can concede to that. Tying accounts and games to an account in this day and age is just inconvenient and counterproductive. With luck they can fix this and update the network to have transferable IDs.
This guy got seriously screwed. Customer service was one of the best things Nintendo had going for them...let's not screw that up.
ppssstt... They dont care... Anyway no one should care about a company who just launch his 1st hd console in 2013. Just sayin.
I would love a region free console,i really dont see a reason for the Wii u still been restrictive has it is in this gaming age we are!