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Gabe Newell Doesn't Believe in Cloud Gaming

1985FM Writes: “Cloud gaming works until it starts to be successful, at which point, it falls over,” Gabe Newell said at his keynote speech at DICE yesterday. “All the spreadsheets ignore the producing levels that consumer networks use. When everyone starts using a continuous network connection in order to get their applications, prices are going to go through the roof.”

TurboGamer4110d ago

He also doesn't Believe in the number 3.

guitarded774109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

Or hygiene... he always looks like he just crawled out of a ditch after a 3 day drinking binge. (Please Note: I did not make a fat joke).

On topic:
I'm not a big fan of the idea of cloud gaming either. Just too many potential issues. Speed and connectivity being the main two off the top of my head.

Minato-Namikaze4109d ago

LMAO, i laughed for like 2 minutes.

On topic:
I like my discs, which is weird cause i like my movies and music (and even money) digital

sdozzo4109d ago

'fat, drunk and stupid are no way to go through life, son.'

joab7774109d ago

Yeah, its not cost productive. Maybe in the future if tech levels off, but right now it only works as a fringe method. Its similar to the problem the iphone created but much bigger. Today Sprint can offer unlimited data because they dont have the number of carriers that verizon does.

rainslacker4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

I have nothing against it really. I just don't think it's viable as the only option.

I doubt Sony dropped 380 million dollars on a company without thorough research on it's actual costs over the long haul. Maybe in the future. For now though I just don't see it as the primary or even major source for gaming given the numbers attached to the medium itself.

Of course there is nothing at the moment to suggest that it is Sony's intended purpose with their purchase either, so I'm playing the wait and see game.

On a side note, about a year ago I was working with a small development team that wanted to incorporate cloud gaming for serving their product. I did a lot of research into it, and it's actually terribly expensive to run your game on a cloud server. It's an ongoing cost as opposed to a one time fee, and not as efficient as running an application on a local client(console/phone). The only real benefit at the time was producing one version to run instead of having to test for multiple scenarios that arise from different target hardware.

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Knight_Crawler4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

The fat must have now spread to his brain and making the only thing he believes in is FOOD.

All jokes aside he should contact Iwata from Nintendo and have a 90's party.

http://n4g.com/news/1165892...

koehler834109d ago

Neither do I. I think it's a great feature but it doesn't constitute a platform. I think all gaming platforms should use cloud services for storage, social features and demos but not for the games themselves.

nukeitall4109d ago

I don't think cloud will be the way either. If anything, streaming games (not video like Gaikai/Onlive) is the future. By streaming, I mean the assets.

You can download part of the game start playing while the rest finishes in the background. I think the concept of cloud gaming as it is, is deeply flawed and can't get to the level of fidelity gamers are expecting.

Buttery smooth gaming at 60fps is going to be hard to achieve in a streaming video. Guess what, the most popular console game is CoD whom is 60fps!

2pacalypsenow4109d ago

I agree too i rather play my games direct

zerocrossing4109d ago

So both Iwata and Gabe don't see Cloud gaming as the future?
Well, I think these guys probably know what they're talkiing about so Im likely to agree.

But there's still something to be said for Cloud storage IMO.

guitarded774109d ago

No doubt cloud storage is great for save back-ups.

animegamingnerd4109d ago

that is really the only use for cloud gaming other then shoving DRM down our throats

BanBrother4109d ago

Haha the other day when I said it wasn't viable I was getting disagrees left right and center. Sure, on pen and paper it looks fine, but how are we going to find the bandwidth?

It's like saying in the future we will all be driving hover cars. Well, unless we had limitless amounts of power, then no, not very viable. At least in the foreseeable future. Some people don't even have internet, and some people still have dial-up, standard broadband or just crappy upload speeds.

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Former Dragon Age lead writer David Gaider pours scorn on EA's AI dreams.

"They want you to believe the devs under them are super stoked to work generative AI into their processes," continued Gaider, "but I assure you what they took as excitement was really a veiled wail of despair not unlike the time that team was informed of their new 'really cool' live service mandate.".

LordoftheCritics19h ago

Publishers see gaming as another stock market.

isarai18h ago

I think anyone with some common sense knew this, im glad i don't support their games anymore, what a sh!t company.

Psychonaut853h ago

Friends don’t let friends buy EA or Ubisoft.

Chocoburger2h ago

I said this yesterday. AI isn't what we want when it comes to crafting artistry. Alas, these soulless corporate morons don't care about their work, only about cutting corners as much as possible.

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Phil Spencer and the Battle for Xbox’s Soul

Has the rapid growth of Xbox made the ship too heavy? Following the closures of Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, and Roundhouse, we explore what the future of Xbox could look like.

LG_Fox_Brazil1d ago

This ship was never meant to sail, this ship was made from the get go to sink as fast as possible. It almost feels that they want to lower the standards of quality in the industry so that they can fit in

rlow15h ago

I disagree, Xbox from the get go innovated and changed the industry. They did a lot of firsts and standardized a lot of others. It wasn’t till the beginning of the Xbox1 era that things started to go south.

Stevonidas1h ago

Yep, although I’d argue it started going to shit when they tried to hock Kinect on their audience instead of continuing to invest in their studios and IPs. 2001-2010 Xbox was peak gaming, though.

rlow112m ago

@Stevonidas
I agree they never should have focused on it after the 360 era. But you do have to remember they were faked out by the huge volumes of Kinects sold. To quote info on Wikipedia, “Project Natal, It was first released on November 4, 2010, and would go on to sell eight million units in its first 60 days of availability.” So if your Xbox and see these huge sales on a peripheral where are you going to put some money? Criticism in hindsight is worthless…..if only we could all see our future. In other wards they had no way of knowing. Plus they had engagement numbers and a lot of signs pointed to people wanting it.

Their biggest mistake wasn’t the Kinect, but unlike Sony after the PS3 debacle. They didn’t double on down on exclusive good games. The other huge mistake was letting Call of Duty go to Sony.

Hedstrom8h ago

Phil wants Xbox to be as soulless as him!

Tacoboto8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Xbox has no soul and Phil has no confidence, and it's impossible to say either do when they killed Tango and Arkane Austin.

Everything they've said since has only made them look worse to a point that they're actually less competent than Embracer.

Markdn8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Whe you release something like the series S and expect it not to hurt your business model, and developers have to have parity with games. Then you know Microsoft don't care. Series s is the final nail that broke developers,

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Sarah Bond dodges questions on Xbox studio closures

While on stage with Dina Bass at The Bloomberg Technology Summit the President of Xbox, Sarah Bond, was asked about the Xbox studio closures of Arkane Austin, Tango Gameworks, Alpha Dog, and Roundhouse Studios

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ApocalypseShadow1d 13h ago

Of course she did. She's part of the problem and will just tow the company line.

VenomUK1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Bloomberg’s Dina Bass could barely read her scripted question without looking at her notes, whilst Sarah Bond who WAS expecting the question spoke without saying anything of substance or answering the question in any meaningful way. Clearly she’s had the same expert PR training as Phil, but this avoidance was disrespectful. In time the short-sighted decision to shut down Tango Gameworks will be seen as of the most notorious examples why Phil Spencer messed up his tenure in charge of Xbox. That’s a fully built out talented team that could’ve been put to work on any project.

Additionally, Phil Spencer should not be using Sarah Bond as a patsy for his mistakes- he should be answering that question.

gleepot1d 9h ago

I think you are all really overselling Tangos value. Hi-Fi rush was a lot of fun. Ghostwire was incredibly dull. Evil within 1 and 2 were just okay.

lucasnooker1d 9h ago

Evil within 2 was incredibly under rated. I thought that game was surprisingly good

NotoriousWhiz1d 6h ago

Someone else said it best. I don't think it was a Phil decision. It was most likely a Satya decision. I think Microsoft is done giving out free money to Xbox.

Cacabunga1d 3h ago

people please boycott Activision Bethesda next release and support Hellblade.
these people mus understand that they cannot treat their fans and employees that way.
scumbags.

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Yikes you don't help Sarah 😬 making a problem worse

Christopher1d 11h ago

She's playing her role. There's absolutely nothing any of them can say other than the truth, this is about profit margins and not quality, so they just don't answer anything and wait for gamers to forget.

shinoff21831d 1h ago

I think news is coming of more ps5 release but they gotta be careful cause Xbox is still sitting on store shelves. They can't get left holding all that stock

Lightning7723h ago

Come next month they'll flash nice looking games in our faces and expecting us to forget.

The only thing that'll be going through my mind at their showcase is how many of those studios will get shut down after release.

I'm not joking around either. MS probably expects every game to be like COD and do COD numbers. What a way to destroy gaming for the entire industry because they're dumb af at being realistic in what success means for each game.

-Foxtrot22h ago

Always feels she was brought in / promoted for this. Happened just before things started to be out in motion.

Phil and co have someone to throw under the bus and share the blame with

zaanan1d 2h ago

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

darthv7217h ago

....won't get fooled again

Hofstaderman1d 12h ago

Like a deer caught in the headlights.....

notachance1d 12h ago

I always wondered why xbox had multiple leaders with similar titles like Phil Spencer, Matt Booty, and Sarah Bond, like, how many heads do you actually need?

Seems to me it would be more cost efficient to cut 2 of them instead of all those studios.

DarXyde1d 11h ago

Frankly, I suspect she is the most competent of them. I don't mean that I like her more, I mean that she's the best at articulating herself and giving the talking points MS wants to give. The others are starting to sound more like her than her sounding like any of them.

Are any of these people "responsible" for what's happening? No. This reeks of Nadella. But that being said, I don't see any of the Xbox heads stepping down in protest.

"Don't shoot the messenger", sure, but at the same time, the messengers don't seem to take umbrage with the message. Not enough to remove themselves from it, anyway.

CS722h ago

I disagree. Nadella is looking for profit as a CEO should in my opinion.

The problem is Dr. Phil & Co. had 10 years to bring Xbox back on track and have been failing woefully.

Phil needs to sell to Nadella that if we are to make a profit, we need to make great games. And to do that we need employees here for the long haul and the freedom to work on creative projects.

But as Phil said himself he doesn’t believe great games sell consoles.

RpgSama1d 4h ago

Dude, 100%, forgot Major Nelson and Aaron Greenberg, like what is the point for all these suits? They have more C-level executives than games released in a generation.

This is just so they can all pass along the hot potato one at a time and in between all of them can say a lot without actually saying anything, misinformation at its finest.

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