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Microsoft Q2: Xbox division revenues down 11%

VG247:Microsoft reported revenue of $21.46 billion for the second quarter, up 3% year-on-year, but its Entertainment and Devices Division was not so successful.

Good_Guy_Jamal4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

Really? Which part? The fact that they made a profit or the that they made even more money than the same period last year?
"That said, the division remained PROFITABLE and even IMPROVED PERFORMANCE, with operating income of $596 million, UP from $517 million in the same quarter a year ago."
So tell me, which part of making over half a billion in profit is "not good." Typical of eye-catching article meant to draw hits by leading with the negative. Typical of some to not read the full article and jump on to the Doom Mobile.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

Worst part is they did that with no original AAA content for the last 3 years(alan wake). and Yet their are 63+ kinect exclusives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

and 21 more announced.

I don't mind MS having success in gaming hope they do the same next gen. Xbox gamers are definitely satisfied and that's is great!

But having the division run by non gamers should be fixed next gen.

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

"This is actually a brilliant idea by microsoft.. now here me out for a second.

The 360 community has no gaming experience because well.. xbox got no gamezzz, so they hire people with the same qualifications, it's brilliant!!

Microsoft does it again"

not my words but funny imo.

You guy can initialize a nuclear on me now.

Urusernamesucks4127d ago

@ShutUpandTakemymoney HERE WE GO AGAIN, the typical sony fanboy going on about lack of AAA titltes Bullshit, man sthu with that, seriously keeep your filthy money.

"snorksnork FUCKING CAsuals sNORK SNORK" thats all you.

superterabyte4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

@Urusernamesucks Ok then mate proper big man you are.

I personally am happy to say that I backed the winning horse when I chose which console I chose because for me the games have just been continuously rolling in =D

I have got both killzone's, gran turismo(all gold licenses and 1000 cars), platinumed all the uncharted's and loved the exclusives I get.

My point is instead of disclaiming an opinion without giving reason why not give constructive feedback rather then derogatory language. For example list the game's that you have that aren't "casual" because from somebody looking from an outside perspective towards the xbox i can't see any reason as to own one so tell me a reason.

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fermcr4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

Had a decrease in revenues but still quite profitable (even more profitable then the year before).

Where is the bad news ? Did you even read or understand the article ?

If it wasn't profitable then it would be bad news. I wish my company had this kind of "bad" news.

UnholyLight4127d ago

People are stupid. Of course the Xbox 360 is not going to sell levels like it did 3 or 4 years ago or wahtever. The market is basically nearing it's saturation level and the people that are buying consoles are buying because they are cheap and aren't concerned about the Next gen.

Informed customers are NOT buying Xbox 360's because they know the next thing is less than a year away. Microsoft did a great job to eke out an extra couple years with Kinect which despite it's shortcoming actually really helped the Xbox's life cycle I believe. It is natural that growth would be down slightly as it is now time to start the next gen transition.

Figure it out people....

aquamala4128d ago

revenue down, but profit up, yes that's the gaming division, here for those that don't even bother reading the report

"That said, the division remained profitable and even improved performance, with operating income of $596 million, up from $517 million in the same quarter a year ago."

nukeitall4127d ago

This is exactly how I thought it would pan out. MS isn't in it for market share anymore as it is pointless. They are in it for the profit taking and that is why there is lowered number of consoles shipped, yet MS profit increased!

At this stage and at the cusp of next generation, MS is investing into their next console.

I would love to have less revenue, but with increased profit. That is any company's dream really.

If you really want to compare this, you have to wait for Sony's and Nintendo's numbers.

doogiebear4128d ago

M$ is trash no matter how much money they siphon out of fools

palaeomerus4128d ago

Sony All Stars Battle Royale
LBP Karting
Jak collection
God of War Collection

AngelicIceDiamond4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

So this why u mad? https://www.google.com/url?...

If you don't want to read it it says MS sold 76 million consoles SOLD like, people going into stores and buying it. Not SHIPPED. Shipped doesn't not matter.

Listen I do what others fail to do on this site and that is give credit when credit is due. If Sony does something impressive I commend them like I have been doing. I like both Sony and MS and their consoles. I don't get u people and your hate over a stupid video game machine. Seriously N4G grow the hell up its just a machine.

mcstorm4127d ago

@AngelicIceDiamon well said. I do find it funny how people in the tech world fight over who has the best product. I am a Big gamer and Own 2 360s 2 ps3s a WiiU a 3DS and a PSV. I get them all because there are games on all there consoles I want to play.

I also Own a Surface RT and when I got that everyone came out and slated me because I did not get an Ipad its just the way people are now every has something better than you or they have a point to prove if they don't like what you have.

kneon4127d ago

@AngelicIceDiamond

Not this stupid shipped vs. sold argument again. Manufacturers do not track when each piece of consumer electronics is sold to the end customer. As far as they are concerned it's sold as soon as a retailer or distributor buys it.

But if you want to play that silly game it still makes no difference. Retailers try not to keep months of stock on hand. So anything shipped to retailers tends to sell within a few weeks. So the difference between shipped and sold is negligible.

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mwjw6964128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

@StrongMan STFU troll, go back under your bridge... all you ever do is bitch about MS. What they do rape your family that you never had FOREVER ALONE?

TheRealHeisenberg4127d ago

Show me on the doll where MS touched you. Sony, Nintendo and MS all touched me in the same spots, my heart and my wallet...they all only care about my wallet though.

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GribbleGrunger4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

It's almost like Sony in reverse. Sony lose money from divisions NOT related to their games division and Microsoft lose money from their games division but not their other divisions. Which company is likely to support the hardcore gamer next gen? I think that extra, but slower memory is likely to be used for Windows 8 and Kinect, while Sony's faster, but less ram will be leveraged to offer 1080p games at 60fps. Of course both will offer some of the other, but this I think is going to be the main battle ground.

Good_Guy_Jamal4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

Losing money? What are you talking about? Did you read the article? They made a profit. PROFIT. Over half a billion worth!
Were you so eager to compare MICROSOFT negatively to SONY that you neglected to read the darn article you are commenting on?
Edit: honestly people, what's there to disagree with? The Xbox division made a profit of $596 million, thats $79 million more than they made last year during the same period. How am I wrong?

Munky4128d ago

The majority of users on this site are straight up stupid, don't even try to understand or comprehend the madness.

KrisButtar4128d ago

"Microsoft’s Xbox business is part of the Entertainment and Devices Division, which reported an 11% year-on-year decrease in revenues from $4.24 billion to $3.77 billion. Although Xbox isn’t the only business stream in the division, Microsoft made it clear the console was to blame"

I didn't disagree but they made less year to year not more.

Good_Guy_Jamal4128d ago

Are you being sarcastic? Because if you read the article you'd know they didn't lose any money and in fact made more profit than last year.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! Do you people not know the difference between revenue and profit?
Profit is the stuff you get after you've subtracted the costs and expenses from your revenue.
More profit = a good thing.
More revenue is only great if it is accompanied by less costs and expenses.
In this case less revenue but far less costs = more profit. Which is good.
I swear I've stepped into the twilight zone. People so desperate for negative Microsoft news.

BattleAxe4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

@ Good_Guy_Jamal

You are a fool, here are some quotes from the article, since you like to talk about reading articles...

Quote #1

"Microsoft’s Xbox business is part of the Entertainment and Devices Division, which reported an 11% year-on-year decrease in revenues from $4.24 billion to $3.77 billion."

Quote #2

“Xbox 360 platform revenue decreased $1.1 billion or 29%, due mainly to lower volumes of consoles sold and lower video game revenue"

Quote #3

"5.9 million Xbox 360 consoles shipped during the quarter, down from 8.2 million in the same quarter of FY 2012."

Boy oh boy, Microsoft sure is doing great in the console business :/

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

MikeMyers4128d ago

GribbleGrunger:
"I think that extra, but slower memory is likely to be used for Windows 8 and Kinect, while Sony's faster, but less ram will be leveraged to offer 1080p games at 60fps."

Really? Based on what exactly, rumors? Do people ever grow tired from those who constantly have a negative tone towards one company but always put a positive spin on the other? I really wish people could just enjoy the games they have without this endless need to put one company above the other.

Read this highlight from the article:
"That said, the division remained profitable and even improved performance, with operating income of $596 million, up from $517 million in the same quarter a year ago."

Even though Microsoft has sold less units they are making more money off of that hardware because the cost are lower to make them. They haven't had a significant price drop for awhile now. They make money off of other things like Kinect too. So tell me where all these losses are?

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

"Sony's PlayStation business suffered a decline in both sales and operating income for the second quarter of FY12.

For the quarter ending September 30 2012, the company's game division reported revenues of ¥148.2 billion ($1.85/£1.15b/€1.43b), down 14 per cent year-on-year from ¥176 billion on a constant currency basis. Operating income also declined year-on-year, from ¥3 billion to ¥2.3 billion ($29m/£17m/€22m).

Sony attributes the decline to falling sales right across its hardware line: the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 sold a combined total of 3.5 million units during the quarter, a significant drop from the 4.9 million units sold in the same quarter last year; the PS Vita and the PSP sold a combined total of 1.6 million, a slight year-on-year decrease from 1.7 million units.

However, the PlayStation business reported gains in software sales: PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 2 games sold 41.4 million units in the quarter, up from 40.2 million last year; PS Vita and PSP games sold 8.7 million units, up from 8.2 million."

Neither Microsoft or Sony are losing money. Just because revenue is down doesn't mean they are losing money.

RTheRebel4128d ago

dont care for xbox like my ps3 better but,
just ignore the drones here
gribble is part of the church of sony
xbox bad news hurray WOOHOO
sony bad news they hate sony conspiracy theories lol

Anon19744128d ago

You`re not going crazy, Jamal. In fact, you`re bang on. It`s about profit, not revenue. 360`s sales dropped almost 30%, revenue was down and they still made more money than the same quarter last year. That`s fantastic in my books. It`s to be expected that revenue and sales will fall during the tail end of the console`s life, but what matters is how much money is being made.

That`s what will determine the future of the brand at the end of the day because we`re talking about a business here. They aren`t running a charity for gamers. It`s about making money. Frankly, I`m amazed that profit was up considering falling sales, falling revenue and a 25% increase in R&D spending related most likely to the next Xbox. If MS can continue to cash in on the 360 there`s a greater chance that they`ll make back the money spent on the 360 initially and then it all becomes worthwhile.

I`ve been critical of the 360`s fluctuating sales and revenue in the past, prior to Kinect`s release, but towards the end of the lifecycle we expect these to drop. The fact that profit is still strong is a good thing. I don`t know how any gamer could argue otherwise.

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Silly gameAr4128d ago

Don't say MS has lost any amount of money or hasn't turned a profit Gribble. We all know MS doesn't lose money, they only make it.

GribbleGrunger4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

What part of the headline and what part of my post are you people not reading? Did I say that Microsoft haven't made a profit or did I say that their gaming division is losing money? Let me just check that I'm not living in some sort of twilight zone here:

'Sony lose money from divisions NOT related to their games division and Microsoft lose money from their games division but not their other divisions.'

mmmmm... It appears that I am talking about their games division and not Microsoft as a whole. That'd probably because of this:

'Microsoft Q2: Xbox division revenues down 11%'

The headline I was responding to. Which part would you like me to change in order for it to be palatable but not accurate? I said that Sony was losing money on their other divisions but not on their games division, but it was the other way around for Microsoft (at the moment and going from this headline and the official report).

It amazes me how Sony losing money in other divisions automatically gets translated into their games division is losing money, but when Microsoft's profits are down on their games division people want to remind you that they made a profit overall. Jesus, how stacked do you people want this table?

Sony will carry on supporting their games division because that's what makes them the most money, while Microsoft will offer what makes them the most profit through their next gen machine... Windows, Kinect and other multimedia stuff. It's not a dig, it's just how I see it.

Yes, Microsoft made an overall profit, but their revenue was down from their games division. I'm just considering the possible ramifications of this and perhaps the reason their next gen console is rumoured to have more memory dedicated to the OS.

Death4128d ago

Hey Gribble,

If you think Microsoft isn't happy with the performance of the Xbox, check out what Sony is dealing with as far as the Playstation brand is doing: http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

Sony's last fiscal year showed a loss in the Consumer Products and Services division of 2,083 million dollars. This is where the Game division is held. In all fairness, CPS is a very big division. but statements like "The decrease in the game business reflects lower sales of PlayStation®3 hardware due to a
strategic price reduction and lower sales of PlayStation®2 due to platform migration." isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

The current fiscal year has the Game division losing 45 million for the first quarter and making 29 million in quarter 2. For the mathmatically impaired, that is a loss of 16 million for the first half of fiscal 2012.

So you are aware, both companies are using the revenue to fund new product development. As sales decrease the need for new product increases. They use existing revenue for R&D and to cover initial manufacturing costs. This is common for each console life cycle. Don't get too caught up in the sales and profit hype. It's controlled to a very large degree and not an indication of a consoles overall health or viability as a marketable product.

What should matter to most of us is the games we can play at the end of the day.

aquamala4128d ago

read the article, revenue is down but profit is actually up. 596 million this year, $517 million last year. you even get any agrees for getting basic facts wrong just showing what kind of people are on this site lol.

GribbleGrunger4128d ago

Ok ... Ok, I did say 'losing money' in the wrong context there. I know that 'revenue down' isn't exactly the same. Oh well, that'll teach me for paraphrasing and cutting corners. I stand by what I said though in terms of what it could mean for next gen.

InMyOpinion4128d ago

Do Sony pay you for posting on every single Xbox related story, or are you just that loyal?

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NYC_Gamer4128d ago

MS still made profit in the division though

KrisButtar4128d ago

"Although Xbox isn’t the only business stream in the division, Microsoft made it clear the console was to blame."

Mircosoft blaming their game console for not having bigger profits

BanBrother4128d ago

Haha. "Stupid xbox (hits it), why aren't you making us any money?"

I suppose the fact they still made a profit'is good.... but coming from a 360 owner I feel neglected, as they are using a butt-load of money to start new IP's......for Kinect, instead of the ones I'd like. I have a Kinect, which I bought for the youngins', but I have no particular interest in it. Untill I hear profit=more new IP's, I could not'give a rats ass.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk771d 1h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE22h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73021h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor18h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos18h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor18h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos18h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies2d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k43d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k42d ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody3d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast3d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19793d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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