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PSN's Trophy System Seriously Needs Some Work

"The title of this article may shock you, because the trophy system is honestly a very well built system that has had some nice improvements over the year, and it is my favorite system over all consoles for many reasons, but in all honesty, it is actually hugely limited as to what it could actually do, what I actually envision it to be one day. If you find the trophy and achievement systems on Microsoft and Sony’s official consoles to be the best that they can be right now, then I really advise you to read this article. I used to think they couldn’t add much more to the trophy system than it has already, but then I started thinking…"

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iamnsuperman4114d ago

I think it is well built and does what an achievement system should do. Saying this I agree with the progress bar. What a great idea.

Red_Orange_Juice4114d ago

They should really expand on trophies especially online. Sony should create an official website like psntrophies or playstationtrophies and have all crazy rankings and stats, that would be popular.
They're really addicting especially because of platinums and ability to just compare trophies isnt enough

SilentNegotiator4113d ago

You're already able to look at trophies on the playstation site.

And hey, this site must be taking notes from Kotaku; report a story or write an editorial and then go after the subject of that article with another article.

kreate4113d ago

yea. that shiny blue platinum trophy is what makes the difference. i need more of those.

jadenkorri4113d ago

i would so get more into home, if that trophy system was implemented that errod88 linked. i haven't logged into home for at least 6 months maybe more

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StraightPath4114d ago

It would be better to just get a life then waste time away on worthless trophies.

p.s on xbox 360 you can delete games which have 0 achievements.

WeAreLegion4113d ago

So that people don't know you suck at them? I don't think so...

calis4113d ago

Yeah pretty sure most of us don't care what random gamers who think trophies are some kind of social standing think about 0% games.

InactiveUser4113d ago

@Crow, calis, and agreers

Pretty sure I'd rather not have my trophy list cluttered up with garbage I just wanted to try out for 5 minutes.

0% has nothing to do with sucking at the game and more to do with the game sucking.

The way it is now, if you don't want your list cluttered, you have to go onto a different profile to test games and demos (just in case they add to your list also, like the Free Realms demo). It's a dumb, wasteful process. Just give the ability to remove or hide trophies you don't want.

calis4112d ago

I'm in your corner. I personally do not care about my trophy numbers, or why they should be added if you're just testing a game but I also do not get why there is no option to remove them.

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GuyThatPlaysGames4113d ago

I like trophies but I have one disagreement that trophies and achievements share, and that is the stupid simple achievements/trophies. An example is you enter online multiplayer and you get a trophy. Kill your first enemy and get a trophy. All trophies/achievements should be worthy of achieving and not just handed to you.

aquamala4113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

ever since the new PS store update it now takes forever (minutes!) to look at trophies, I think it's safe to say now that the only person that would take the time to look at your trophies is ... you

and what I don't understand is if you just go to this web page (replace the XXXXX with a psn handle) it comes up instantly

http://us.playstation.com/p...

Jaces4113d ago

The only flaw I find with the system is the status bar for each game. I have 100% on most games I've played but that damn DLC addition kills my 100% and knocks me down to 60 or 70. It's beyond infuriating for a completionist like myself.

Don't bother telling me to buy the DLC and beat it because DLC is just another word for content that should have been in game but was cut due to greed.

pixelsword4113d ago

Isn't there already a progress bar when you look on your profile when you are on the firend's list?

Kalowest4113d ago

Some games have a built in "progress bars" like Resistance 3 and Gears of War 3. But yes their should be a universal one.

showtimefolks4113d ago

I rather have trophies than achievement points

There are many thing any did wrong this gen and many ms did right with xblive

Cross game chat-good
Xblive points system instead of real money-bad/stupid
Achievement-ms started something nice

Ps3 trophies Sony took the achievement idea and made it more gamer friendly, I mean who doesn't like trophies
.

So while the trophy system could use SE small tweaks that I am sure will get for ps4 launch p, I am not sure t needs an over haul

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GalacticEmpire4114d ago

Even if it's the best there's always room for improvement, just don't fix the things that aren't broken.

PirateThom4114d ago

Game percentage and DLC percentage can be separate, but it's up to the developers to programme it that way.

Just as a point of note.

BlindMango4114d ago

Game trophies and DLC/add-on trophies can, in-fact, be separated as far as organization goes. However, when it comes to seeing the game's total percentage in the list of games, it could be at 100% after the game releases, but could drop to say 85% when DLC comes out, then when selecting the game you can see the progress of the main game then all the pieces of DLC. I don't mind it too much and see how it makes sense, but it is still a fairly popular requested feature to make two percentage bars, one for the main game, and one for all the cumulative DLC

JD_Shadow4113d ago

The only problem could come with those games that have multiple pieces of DLC that all have their own trophy lists. If you have something for a game like, let's say, Burnout Paradise, that has a few DLC packs that add new trophies to the game, the amount of bars that would end up being there would just crowd everything up, and the end result would just get messy. Where would all those bars go that would keep things as neat and tidy as they are.

I could understand if a game has one major DLC item that added some trophies (and even that is questionable), but for a game that has several additions, it's going to get dumb in a hurry, I think it's much more feasible to be able to use the main menu item as a folder, and it's not broken.

Soldierone4113d ago

I hate that. It makes it seem like i didn't even try to finish some games.... I get 100 percent, look at it later and its at 65 percent.... I don't feel like buying every piece of overpriced DLC to "finish" these games.

Hellsvacancy4114d ago

I RARELY compare trophies, it takes way to long to sync

pandaboy4113d ago

Took me 15 mins to sync once. Truly pathetic.

Reverent4113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

Agreed. Honestly, that could really be the only thing I would complain about. Sony's trophy system would be perfectly fine if it synced faster. On my old account (back when I got a PS3 at launch) ?I never bothered to look through my trophies until like last year, and I was level 18... I left my PS3 sit on over night while my trophies synced and they still weren't finished by the time I woke up (about 6 hours later). I just gave up and have never bothered to try syncing them since lol.

Soldierone4113d ago

If it does it again, try "rebuilding the database" on your PS3. I had the same issue, I did that, and now it syncs up faster. It keeps getting slow though, and "comparing" trophies still sucks. I hate how it locks up too, so if you accidentally press it you are screwed for 5 minutes.

wsoutlaw874113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

plus helps for that. also doing it more frequently helps to

DOMination-4113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

I Dont see why you should get plus just for that. It should sync when you unlock. The fact the vita is the same is ridiculous because it means Sony have built a stupid system and can't fix it.

Hicken4113d ago

It should sync when you unlock it? You mean, even if you're offline?

The Vita, by the way, is NOT the same: trophies you unlock are synced instantly, provided you're online. Never had any trouble with that on mine.

And you wouldn't get Plus JUST to sync trophies, but it's a welcome bonus.

The only thing stupid is the entirety of your comment. Luckily, you've got another bubble; you should try and fix it.

As for the trophy system itself, it's not so much that it "seriously needs some work." The title makes it seem like it's a broken system, when it seems to be more about what improvements or additions they'd like to see.

DOMination-4113d ago

Hicken, you really shouldn't get so offended by what some guy on an internet forum says. We can all have different opinions without resorting to petty personal insults can't we?

As for bubbles - until last week I had a good track record in this place, but then in an article about the new Microsoft London studio, it was filled with idiots. My comment was literally "I can't believe there are so many troll comments above me" and I predictably got reported and banned for three days. So if you could give that back as it was probably you who took it from me in the first place, that would be great.

I have a Vita and I have never noticed instant syncing. I do tend to play only classics on it though, so maybe that's why and an unfair assumption on my part. If that's actually the case then fair play, and disregard my last comment. I hope this is in PS4.

My first comment still stands though - it's ridiculous that the PS3 can't do that. And obviously, if you're offline, it would sync automatically when you sign in. It can't be that hard, the other console has done it for 7 years.

pixelsword4113d ago

DOM's right, auto syncing shouldn't be a caveat of Plus, Sony should make all technological improvements open to everyone who bought the console.

BlindMango4113d ago

The Vita allows you to always view your trophy list and if you have trophies that need to be synced, then those trophies are synced in the "background" when viewing your trophy list. It shows the progress bar for the sync at the top-left while you are in the trophy app and doesn't disturb or interrupt you viewing your trophies,

A much better way of doing it, but still not exactly instant syncing once the trophy is awarded

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MizTv4114d ago

It was better than nothing
And I'm very happy with it

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 8h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken18h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 4h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 3h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 4h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 3h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 2h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg1d 20h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 19h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1d 14h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies22d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken21d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga21d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken21d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6421d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12521d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91321d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91321d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit21d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher22d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6921d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit21d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher21d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken21d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2321d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder21d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts21d ago

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