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Sony is "playing catch up" to Microsoft with Gaikai acquisition - UKIE chairman

"Microsoft has already got its ball," says Mastertronic boss. [OXM UK]

GribbleGrunger4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

LOL

'If anything, Sony has been playing catch up. It's just that Microsoft hasn't told everybody necessarily what they're doing with their streaming service'

They were first but they forgot to tell anyone about it... classic MS

Fishy Fingers4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

You cant blame them I suppose, up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know.

Remember, we've read PLENTY of times on this site, the infrastructure, the ISP caps, the latency, the blah blah blah, so surely there's been no need to show what you've been working on yet? As it was a fad/pipe dream just 2 days ago. lol the irony is clearly lost on many here.

GribbleGrunger4746d ago

It was always inevitable. I used to argue with a friend of mine (and I've been having this argument with him before Onlive was announced) that streaming was the future of gaming. He just couldn't see it happening. why? and I quote: 'It's not good for the gamer.'

bless his little naive cotton socks. I'm excited for it myself, although I go into it with trepidation, but to think that the gamer is integral to this venture is silly. Yes we will benefit from it, but the biggest reason this is happening is because it makes financial sense for everyone in the industry... and of course it cuts out piracy

Interesting times ahead

LightofDarkness4746d ago

I know Fishy, once a certain name becomes attached, it becomes messianic and innovative. I wonder if we'll see half as many "I'll stop gaming when it becomes cloud-based" comments on here after this...

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

How do you make that comment and not get flamed? I got disagreed to death.

This how it works.. ps3 fanboys like sony brand, xbox fanboys love Microsoft brand, pc fanboys love game devs.

sikbeta4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

@Fishy Fingers

Dude, that s#*t is the future, I don't like it and anyone with a lame @ss IC like it, but you read news about Nvidia making GPUs designed specially for streaming games and stuff like that, Samsung making deals with Gaikai (pre-Sony) to stream gaming in their big @ss TVs and so on, it's not perfect now, but in 10 years maybe even your Apple I-toaster™ will stream s#**y IOS time wasters...

@nukeitall

It'll take off, it's a matter of time, think about HD, it'll be the same all over again, difference is Nvidia is pushing for it and every gadget manufacturer will want to have their own s#/ty stream service for games and other s#*t...

Dms20124746d ago

The irony is not lost on me,it is stunning how quickly attitudes changed once this was announced.

Anon19744746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

Fishy said "up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know."

What I find fishy is where all these people are who've had the change of heart. You act like suddenly everyone is singing cloud gaming praises just because "Sony" is involved. I'm not seeing it. Most of the Gaikai articles hardly have any comments at all, and the original article as it broke on this site, with 750 degrees seems pretty mixed. There's only a handful of people who seem to think it's Sony's doing something grand here and the vast majority of posters still appear sceptical.

You make it sound like the site is filled with nothing but Sony supporters who mindlessly cheer anything Sony related. Looking at past comments, it's plainly not the case. Have a look. What, maybe 10% of comments on the first page are pro-cloud or outright pro-Sony?
http://n4g.com/news/1028283...

clrlite4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

To go strictly "cloud" gaming anywhere in the near future would be foolish. It is likely going to be gradually incorporated into their services(and to remain an OPTION for a while).

Personally, I prefer having my games on my harddrive or have the physical copy and literally millions of people feel the same way. Until they can be reprogrammed to think otherwise, they will be catered to as they have been.

Also, the thought of only being able to play certain games while connected to the internet is abhorrent to my sensibilities. Imagine your service goes down and you can't play any of YOUR games because they are on a server owned by someone else in a far away place.

raytraceme4746d ago

talking about caps, in the u.s. only comcast has caps. TWC and verizon (two of the nation's biggest) don't have caps.

jadenkorri4745d ago

why is it every damn article Sony catching up to MS, when its really MS always catching up to Sony. Everything MS has done, Sony has done, whether fully successful or flat out failed, Sony has introduced to the console first.

Ser4745d ago

I'm STILL against it. Sony or not.

SilentNegotiator4745d ago

That's because no one expects it to be used for FULL GAMES right now, but for demos.

Stop trying to find hypocrisy that isn't there.

tokugawa4745d ago

@ darkride "You make it sound like the site is filled with nothing but Sony supporters who mindlessly cheer anything Sony related"

that is exactly what n4g is! everyone knows that you are a self confessed "sony nut", but that was an obvious play to try and get your bubbles back.

fishy fingers is 100% correct with his comment. that attitude has changed all of a sudden.... now its the future lol

sony could announce "dog poop scoop" a game where you pick up dog shit, and n4g would go giddy with excitement..

pixelsword4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

"You cant blame them I suppose, up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know."

NO, PC people are against Onlive Gaikai, etc.; because those are PC services. They tried and FAILED on the PC, so PC people obviously have spoken about those services.

Those weren't on consoles.

IF consoles were to remove software out of the hands of the purchaser, then I'd be opposed, just like I have never bought a downloadable game, other than that, I have no opinion about the service until I find out what they are going to do with it.

Roccetarius4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

Well, the PS fans seems to change opinion like we change underwear. It's evident on the site. I'm not a fan of the cloud on either side, especially not if it becomes dominant in the future.

Thing is though, the majority of people would not support a dominant cloud system. The power of a physical item should not be underestimated.

Dasteru4745d ago

Not sure about others but i have never been "against" cloud gaming. So long as it doesn't take over local media entirely. I think the idea is a good one, being able to play games that otherwise would be too much for a console to handle. Just have it as a side function to disk capable consoles rather than a complete replacement. If it were to replace physical disks entirely, then i would have a problem with it. Sony's aquisition of Gaikai doesn't change my opinion on this in any way.

miyamoto4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

I wish my strongly-positioned balls had a streaming component."

ROFLMAO!!!

First " Consoles are TV parasites."

Then this!

This made my day!

OT: Microsoft maybe a technology or software company but GAIKAI is first & foremost an experienced gaming company courtesy of David Perry of shiny Entertainment.

That makes all the difference IMHO.

insomnium24745d ago

@ rocce

"Well, the PS fans seems to change opinion like we change underwear."

Prove it or gtfo.

raymantalk14745d ago

cloud based gaming is not the future it is what the games makers want us to believe as they will have full control what you get for your money very little expense for them pay through the nose for the gamer and if and when the net starts to run slow and it will your gaming will be affected i for one do not want this type of thing to be the future of gaming fine for downloading games but not for streaming games atleast not for fast moving action games.

i hope everyone will boycott this type of gaming so we can all carry on with lag free gaming and the user at the controls instead of the publisher/producer.

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nukeitall4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

LOL!

Ever heard of Azure? Hypervisor? These are technologies to combat Amazon EC2 and VMware.

MS is huge within cloud! They don't need to buy anything, they already have a cloud service.

Sony on the other hand still can't upgrade their network without taking it down. It's constantly "under maintenance" so yeah, they need it!

I don't think Gaikai is worth the cost, but I'm glad at least Sony see the value of cloud. I just question the approach.

I hate to say it, but I told you so!

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

I actually don't think Cloud will take off like people think. First of all, you got all the network issues and the ISPs are actively blocking this bandwidth hogging experience. This will be reserved for people that don't want to buy a console.

Reality is that, the technology requirement will hit a ceiling due to the standardization of 1080p. Cloud is wonderful now, because current hardware cannot handle the higher resolution.

Once we hit that ceiling with a *cheap* console, which we will with next generation it is about intelligent delivering of game asset so a game can immediately start while there is background loading of the rest of the assets for later missions instead of streaming.

Cloud gaming is not the future! It is a "somewhat" low quality solution to a current problem. The only reason it will take off, is because publishers will want to combat piracy i.e. a business issue not technology.

If you think I'm wrong, I *would* love to hear why and have a great meaningful discussion.

mcstorm4746d ago

I am up for cloud gaming but only if it has a Offline mode too. Could you image xbox live or PSN being down for 2 weeks due to an issue and you are not even able to play a SP game.

I do think Cloud gaming will be the next step for home consoles but just like ChromeOS biggest fault of not having an offline mode I see cloud gaming having the same problem too.

bobshi4745d ago

Spot on.

Azure is the connectivity they need. They have that ball.

Not so sure on the graphical fire-power compared to Gaikai, but more easily resolved compared to not having the connectivity in place.

hesido4745d ago

@mcstorm: How do you think an offline mode would be possible for a realtime game video feed cloud service? If the cloud service is about feeding game video feed, an offline mode would not be possible, unless the end-user has enough hardware to actually run the game on their end. Than, feeding the game video through the internet is entirely pointless.

If cloud is used to feed the game data, that will be a whole different story.

ShinMaster4745d ago

Except that has nothing to do with games, which is what Sony is doing.

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killerhog4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

I don't know how Sony is playing catch-up when Sony was the first to implement cloud storage onto its hardware. Sony has been looking into the cloud for years.

Besides who cares cloud gaming will cause me to stop playing games. I want to own not license. If i do buy digital i want the product i buy in a harddrive or for me to able to save it elsewhere. Onlive is crap, it's all license agreements and nothing gets saved to a hard drive nor can you, yourself if you tried.

Dont believe go game on Idevices you'll see how fishy these "license agreements" can get and what the dev can do if they wish.

OC_MurphysLaw4746d ago

yes because cloud storage on the PS3 was the first device to ever use cloud storage... /s

And why does everyone jump to the conclusion cloud gaming has to focus on just having your games in the cloud? Could it not take the form of a better delivery system from the cloud to your system allowing you to play instantly while you still download the game?

Sevir4745d ago

They also had a cloud music and video service on the ps3, so i'm pretty sure he's spot on! Sony has been putting its chip on cloud services that they have invested in! Ever heard of Qiriocity with Music and videozone and video unlimited! Cloud based services that came to the PS3 early on in its life cycle so them aquiring gaikai was something in the works that people have been saying would happen.

Whats left to be seen is what they do with the aquisition and how they implement it! We'll see till then I've got reserved judgement!

Right now, Music, and movies and music videos work well for cloud streaming on consoles and tablets and phones, we'll see how it works for games on consoles with the current graphics and assest of todays and future gen of games!

MysticStrummer4746d ago

Reminds me of the french knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, telling King Arthur that they already had a Holy Grail. "Oh yes, it's very nice!"

Clarence4746d ago (Edited 4746d ago )

Hilarious. " It's just that Microsoft hasn't told everybody necessarily what they're doing with their streaming service." The truth is the M$ does not have a answer to what Sony has just done. If they did it would be on the front page right now.

Also cloud is nice but I still prefer physical media. It's nice to have both on hand though.

@majiebeast
Don't forget blu-ray, Internet integration, facebook, YouTube.

GrandTheftZamboni4745d ago

It's kind of how MS words their lack of portable gaming device:

"Smart glass ... connects all devices."

Muffins12234746d ago

This is off topic but sense you have a ps3 and for your profile pic you have anonymous profile pic lol,kinda ironic.

geddesmond4745d ago

Lol whats funny to me is the comments just scream "We are worried" If they weren't they wouldn't make comments like that. Ah well I think people should wait and see what Sony do with this asset before getting over excited or worried.

For all we know it could be 5 years before we see something good from this deal.

TheLyonKing4745d ago

Right now gaikai will be used for vita and there failing telly business however next gen it will play a significant role in gaming but for now it's all about TV

ALLWRONG4745d ago

MS has supported cloud from the start, Sony just started.

Mounce4745d ago

I still laugh at comments that Sony's PR do to counter Microsofts' stupidity.

They show Kinect and Microsoft acts like they're fucking the Bauss, Sony meanwhile just laugh and say they were there a decade ago with the Eyetoy. Makes a minor-fanboy side of myself giggle at how Sony can Boast sometimes and mean it while Microsoft tries to flex their arrogance idly.

Sony isn't playing catchup, even if Microsoft were in talks with OnLive, Gaikai is supremely better than it

Roccetarius4745d ago

How the hell are we going to benefit from bending over? That's exactly what the point of this is in the future.

Neither Sony nor MS fanatics should praise this.

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orange-skittle4745d ago

Everyone knows that Xbox 8 will be superior to the PS4. Microsoft has been trying to make Xbox a multimedia device sine the inception and have continued to make greater advancements in online interface than Sony has.

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majiebeast4746d ago

Just like sony was playing catchup with.
Wifi
3D
HDMI

No wait that was microsoft.

shoddy4746d ago

MS will catch up to bluray nextgen and ditch disk tray.

Megaton4745d ago

Microsoft's entire business model centers around playing catchup. They just also bankroll the biggest ad budget of any of the people they're catching up to, in which they claim they're the real innovators.

smashcrashbash4745d ago

Don't forget Bluray. In Microsoft's business they are ALWAYS playing catch up with someone. Everything Microsoft has ever made has been over shadowed or surpassed by everything else.Even now they are STILL playing catch up with the Wii and Nintendo already has their new console out. With the Xbox they were playing catch up with the PS2.They are trying to play catch up with Apple and Motorolla. Playing catch up with Google and Yahoo. So despite people trying to kiss Microsoft's @$$ all the time I suggest watch who you are accusing of playing catch up.

Roccetarius4745d ago

3D is nothing but a gimmick, so they should just have dropped that.

kickerz4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

To be honest we could say they all were catching up to Sega http://au.ign.com/articles/...
But in the games industry company's copy company's..just the way it is..
Sony is not the first to do everything..neither is microsoft

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Fishy Fingers4746d ago

Cloud based services are going to be the future, be that games, media, operating systems etc You'd be a fool to think the worlds largest software company isnt preparing.

sjaakiejj4746d ago

They're both playing catch-up to my highly advanced console that's able to run games in hyper realism. I just haven't revealed it yet. Regardless, they're playing catch up. Trust me.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy011d 16h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN19h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga18h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid63817h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein16h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

GamerRN11h ago

Majority of Gamepass users are currently on console...

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crazyCoconuts17h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark1d 4h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils2d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 22h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils1d 14h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning773d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde2d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z2d ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey862d ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos6d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo6d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner6d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18816d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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