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Can EA’s Online Pass Be justified?

Over the past few years, EA has managed to sneak in its online pass code into a few of its games. Is this really justified?

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Yi-Long4438d ago (Edited 4438d ago )

... IF they make sure they keep the servers for those games up and running for at least 10 years or whatever.

Now, you see people buy a relatively new game 1-2 years old and read that although it's being advertised as having MP, EA takes the servers down and they are basically missing out on a huge part of the game.

Personally though, I feel the whole Online Pass thing is horrible. What happens when you somehow lose your account for whatever reason, or you want to take the game to a friend's house on a sleep-over, or there are other people in the household who want to take the game online and it only has an online pass for 1 account... etc etc etc.

Not to mention the problem that it pretty much kills the online community for a game much faster, cause certainly not all gamers who buy a game 2nd hand will invest in buying a new online pass, thus you won't see those online ...

I think the industry should stop taking content out of games, and start offering value for money so people will be more inclined to buy their games, and will also want to hang on to them, instead of selling them after a month orso.

If a developer announces FREE DLC-support will follow 3 months after release, many gamers won't be selling their game!

It's as simple as that.

That means those games won't be hitting the 2nd hand market, thus meaning gamers who are interested will have a harder time finding 2nd hand copies, thus more inclined to just buy a new copy, plus free DLC is already an incentive to support a developer/publisher!

Titanz4437d ago

Other development companies will develop those same genres, with better content, at a reasonable prices. I'm not expecting a miracle from 2K games, but..., you never know.

Kahvipannu4437d ago (Edited 4437d ago )

Good points, agree mostly.

Personally I have no problem with online passes if they aren't overpriced, and you get one with new copy of the game. I bought one for BF:BC2 (used) and played the hell out of it, and the free DLC helped a lot as you stated. Also I borrowed UC3 from a friend, and payed the 10 € for the mp, I had few evening of fun of it. Good deals, and I know I supported the devs, I like to do that.

Hell, I payed 6 months of subscription fee for Eve-online after I quited playing it, why? Becouse I loved what the devs had done, and I want to see they keep working, it's good for the industry. Every game you buy used, doesn't give anything to the devs, which is a bad thing, tought as a consumer I can't blame anyone doing it.

But as you stated, I want something money worth if I pay it, like working online, maybe dedicated servers, play with my friends as f.ex. splitscreen with that pass, etc..

I'm more worried about these "Elite" features what CoD offers, and DLC. As a mostly PC gamer when I see for example what Epic did, recolored guns for 3 € for GeOW3? What?

They used to be PC dev back time who praised modding. Hell, GeOW 1 had all DLC free, and they added content for the PC version, now they are dismissing the PC platform (and please give as Shadow Complex already) altogether, and selling skins that I could do in few minutes as mods.. Same thing Valve did with Portal 2, skins shop for content that obviously was on the disc at launch.. Valve, really?

It's laughable. I'm ok paying for content what f.ex. RS releases, add-ons, content that the devs obviously spent a lot time and resourses obviously, but extra skins and shit is just stupid, unless your an free to play game that relies of it. Publishers have noticed how easy it is to milk console market, and we as consumers/gamers are the ones taking the hit for it...

Knightofelemia4437d ago

I think the online pass is a way to be greedy. They want to make more money off the same title that was already purchased new off the shelf and off a title that has ran its course. I own the game I should be able to sell the game after it brought me joy and fun. So someone who hums and haws about the game their not sure if they want to buy it they rent it at a movie store and they like it chances are they will buy the game. Why be out $60 bucks for an over hyped title that is suppose to be a great title but turns out it has flopped big time. I would rather be out $10 bucks then $60 for a game that trades in at half the value. Some of these companies like EA or Capcom or who ever forget that some of their fans cannot afford a new game off the shelf like everybody else. If a parent can't afford to put their kid in an after school activity a used title for $40 provides a means of entertainment for them. An online pass hurts those people its like EA is turning their backs on those who game on a budget.

Online passes will lead to trouble like hackers hacking the servers then what they shut down the servers. And I can't play online with the online pass I bought with the game waste of cash and the fans will demand someones head on a pole. An online pass hurts people who game honestly because some hacker is pissed off. If you want people to enjoy the games get rid of online passes there nothing but being greedy. Way it works I buy the game I own the game I can do what ever I want with the game if I want to sell the game to some kid who might enjoy it as much as I did i am going to do it. But I can't do it now because of the online passes. And now I try to avoid games with online passes. God I wish we had the SNES and Sega Genesis those were great gaming years when developers actually gave a shit about their fans. And games were actually fun to play and had great stories. Everything now is sequal after sequal shooter after shooter.

Wolfbiker4437d ago

Lets say you make a product and then sell it for $20. You then find out that your product has over 1 million registered users....but you only have sales showing for 600k of those million registered users....that means that you missed out on 400k units if sales...give or take. someone else capitalized on your product..that's not very fair!

on the flip side, pre owned purchases are in just about all markets except digital media (where piracy is rampant) and I don't without retailers like Gamestop the gaming industry wouldn't be where it is today...but the inflation of used game prices is ridiculous because once something is bought new it should lose at least 30% in value in the resell world.

Yi-Long4437d ago

... 400k of them decided to sell it after a short period of time.

As a developer, you should be making sure that your gamers will want to hang on to their copies. It's as simple as that.

And you can achieve that by first (obviously) creating a great worthwhile game, and secondly making sure it offers enough value for money and future incentives like free DLC to make them keep on to it.

gypsygib4437d ago

Just wait until they charge everyone yearly online subscription fees.

Blame the fact that the majority of gamers now spend most of their time playing MP over SP.

Kahvipannu4437d ago (Edited 4437d ago )

I don't know, that is propably most definitelly the case with consoles, like we see with "services" (read ripp off) like CoD-Elite, and laughable priced DLC.. But for PC it's a bit different thing..

For example PC online games has been heading towards free to play consept, pay what you want. New Guid Wars is going to be monthly subscription free, and there is insane ammount of games going ftp.. It's all about how the devs pull it out, is the pricing/content right. Also SP is strong still withing PC players, I don't see it going away at any point.

gypsygib4437d ago

If that's the case I become a PC gamer...mostly, my fav games are still a few console exclusives.

Kahvipannu4437d ago

All I can say, my X0 and PS3 are mostly collecting dust.. I have only played UC3 with PS3 latelly. PC has a lot more to offer, is way cheaper games wise, and is 100 times more versatible.

Now I play 2 games that are free to play, Vindictus, and APB Reloaded, and UFO: AI which is fan made X-Com clone, free to download and play. Also Lord of the rings and Warhammer mods for Medieval 2, M2 and add-on's cost these days what, 9 €? Tons of games/mods to play on PC, too many to play them all. At times I regret for getting consoles in the first place, but when a game like UC3 comes out, I'm happy I still have them..

kreate4437d ago

It doesnt matter. They have every right to charge for a online pass as much as microsoft charging for online play.

Hicken4437d ago

Oh, sure they do. And we have every right to not buy their games.

A bunch of people will be too ignorant NOT to, though, so EA will make their money, figure out they can keep doing it that way, and the rest of us will either have to deal with this new tactic, or get out of gaming. I've got a pretty decent backlog of games, and there are plenty that I don't own yet, so I'd be set for some time, but I still wouldn't like HAVING to quit gaming to prevent greedy people from squeezing money out of me.

BrutallyBlunt4437d ago

It's only justified if the consumer is well aware of the cost and the length of support. OnLive tells you that access will last at least a certain amount of time (2 years I believe).

EA can do as they wish, it's their investment. We are only there for the ride so how can we argue against it other than buying the product or not? We as consumers need to educate ourselves on what the online passes represent and that we don't have unlimited access even though we bought the game. We also need to educate ourselves into knowing used merchandise must come with less value. It works with all other things we buy so why should games be exempt? Games don't devalue like cars so they must be devalued in other ways because we want part of the proceeds to go back to those who create the games we want to continue to enjoy. Otherwise it can collapse on itself. Piracy and used games act as one to a publisher in a sense those who play those games are not supporting those who made the game. One could argue it could open up potential customers if they enjoy the game but that's what demo's are for.

vortis4437d ago

Dude, the used games market helps the retail market and it's the reason gaming keeps growing.

The death of gaming will come at the hands of big publishers, mark my words.

Also, get educated on how much these guys actually make. EA makes close to $1 billion per quarter...the used game market and piracy IS NOT HURTING THEM. They just see an opportunity to cash in on ignorant, uninformed gamers and a lot of people buy into their BS that "used game sales are killing the industry."

It's a huge misconception and gamers need to wake up and smell themselves being raped, otherwise there won't be anything else left to rape.

BrutallyBlunt4436d ago

Ok smart guy, then explain to me how used games sales helps publishers. Now explain to me how piracy helps them as well. You're kidding yourself if piracy has not had any impact. The only raping going on are those who continue to pirate games and justify it by saying silly things like they already make lots of money.

vortis4434d ago

Dude, don't be dense.

The retail game market alone makes nearly double of what Hollywood intakes annually and it makes more than the movie and music industry combined.

THE GAMING INDUSTRY KEEPS GROWING.

You're ignoring facts for some reason but I just stated that EA and Activision make close to $5 billion a year. The used market and piracy HAS no effect.

Stop being dense and get educated about the market. They're just using your ignorance to spread misinformation and misconceptions.

Google is your friend, use it to get informed.

cyclonus0074433d ago

The used market represents lost revenue to publishers. If you controlled a publisher and you found out that used games are the difference between making five billion dollars instead of six, you might be persuaded to do something about that. If not, your shareholders may want to replace you with someone who will.

Hence, the Online Pass.

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Report: Sexual Misconduct Investigation Conducted at EA, Suspects Named and What They Did Revealed

EA senior staff has been investigated for sexual misconduct involving female coworkers, and these said people have been named publicly.

isarai2d ago

Aye just call Phil, i mean he somehow made Bobby Kotick's scandal disappear and gave him a few million dollar high five on the way out.

Cacabunga2d ago

I wonder if it will be censored with some in game ads.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

EA about to go down like Activision and then Phil saves the day saying.this is good for the industry and consolidation will help create competition. /s.

ravens522d ago

What's up with all these horny creeps. You gon be horny, fine. Just not at work take care of that shit before you go in. Rub one out if you have to. Don't be a creep at all. ESPECIALLY at work. But don't be one AT ALL.

Extermin8or3_2d ago

I mean part of the issue is that things transpired outside of work....

KwietStorm_BLM2d ago

You think deviants care where they are? Work sometimes makes it an even better situation for them because they can abuse their power.

mudakoshaka1d 9h ago

Nerds think they are Gods when they are making video games.

NotoriousWhiz2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"it seems that according to EA, given the events transpired outside of work between two adults, and the fact that once investigation has started that the alleged perpetrators didn’t do it again, the investigation is considered closed. [...] The victim still has to work with the people that harassed her."

Yep, EA is disgusting.

Extermin8or3_2d ago

I mean the fact stuff happened outside of work puts EA in quite a difficult position legally. These women don't seem to have reported the matter to the police which kinda ties EA's hands on what they can do. If they don't file reports of the crimes then yeah from EA's perspective it is stuff that happened outside of work. The only exception is the guy that apparently referenced things in the slack channel for work, spending on what he said proving it may be very hard and he may well be able to get away with plausible deniability. I don't like EA and I think these people need to be dismissed but without any legal action being taken, EA can't really do much without risk of being sued themselves for unfair dismissal etc.

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EA to Spend Billions Boosting Share Prices After Mass Layoffs

EA has announced it will engage in a shareholder-pleasing share buyback program just a couple of months after mass layoffs at the studio.

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Yi-Long5d ago

Well, anything to make those shareholders happy, I guess. They're all that matters in this industry nowadays.

badboyz095d ago (Edited 5d ago )

EA stocks haven't been profitable in over 5yrs. They better hope Take-two don't get the FIFA license lol.

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EA Hopes to Use Generative AI to Drive Monetization and Make Development 30% More Efficient

Today Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson provided a look into his ideas for the use of generative AI in the company's development processes.

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thorstein68d ago

I wonder what the next buzz word they'll slap in front of AI to make it sound exciting next? "Generative" as if it's creating its own content. Lol.

Cacabunga67d ago

EA is already dying a painful death..

peppeaccardo67d ago

i have a better idea .. why the whole exec team doesn't get replaced by chat bots ?

just_looken68d ago

Though i agree the ai thing is already in other forms of media there have been ai translations/scripts/voice over and even full ai commercials aired on tv. Ubisoft has created a ai game creator story/vo/music except the building of the game

The new unreal engine has auto terrain creation tools

In the world of greed in which it is winning without any major blow back ai is our future.

everyone want's biden dead on the mic or a criminal instead of a woman and now we are getting ai everything because no one will stop watching/playing ai created media.

GamerRN67d ago

Maybe they should just focus on making good games?

Just a thought...

Kiryu199267d ago

Exactly EA are just pure evil. When they are beating Bank of America to be voted the worst company to work for that’s saying a lot

Good thing I don’t buy their games day one and wait for deep deep sale years after launch (the select few games I am actually interested in)

Gaming is making so much money yet the greed of these companies is never ending

CEO’s and people on board making millions yet cutting jobs to those who are actually making the products

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Knightofelemia68d ago (Edited 68d ago )

EA is still a shady shitty company even with or without the help of Skynet. All they will use AI for is new ways to milk loot boxes and come up with the same sports title with a different year on the label. They are one company I truly do hate with a passion. They single handedly ruined some great franchise with their death touch. ME, Dead Space, Alice Returns, Dante's Inferno.

Stuart575668d ago

EA layoffs followed by 'Generative AI to Drive Monetization'

I knew it. Wonder what AI salary looks like? Nothing.

ChasterMies68d ago

I having a feeling that most of the layoffs in the industry are based on the idea that AI will do the same job for less.

DarXyde67d ago

Very likely, yes.

Made worse by the fact that the execs aren't changing their compensations.

My deepest fear at this point is that we are now in the capitalism endgame.

At this point, we really should just burn AI to the ground. Executives cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
How are those people expected to support families if everything gets automated?

Barlos68d ago (Edited 68d ago )

And take away creativity, and people's jobs as we've been seeing. Got it.

No thanks. I want my games created by people, not AI.

CobraKai68d ago

Exactly. If or when games start becoming more AI than people, im done with gaming. AI and companies like EA can suck donkey d***k.

just_looken68d ago

Though i agree remember this is no ps3/360 era were we got up to 3 games in one generation from on developer like gears/halo/bioware/sony/ms

The people today are pro esg/sweet baby for the most part AAA gaming is imploding right now.

We should be stepping back re evaluate everything as a whole this year xmen 97 written/directed by a woman that is nuts and its also being made by a group reshaping bodies to be less sexual like wtf. A dam famous cartoon from the 90's is being rebuilt with millions spent to be worse in everyway.

Gaming/movies/tv shows made today are worse than what we had 7years ago ai won't change this but that ai is also being made by these groups so either way we are screwed.
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Eonjay67d ago

Don't be of afraid of women. Sexy characters in games and movies still exist. Got my Stellar Blade on preorder!!! Everything all the time doesn't need to be sexual...that's stupid, childish and dull.

Chocoburger68d ago (Edited 68d ago )

EA doesn't want to lose their title of worst gaming company ever, always trying their best to remain the champs!
What's sad is that they have so much potential to be a decent publisher.

SSX Tricky / SSX 3
Def Jam Vendetta / Fight for New York
NBA Street
NFL Steet
Mirror's Edge
Bad Company
Burnout 3 / 4 / 5

Remember when EA used to be awesome? It's all over with now. Unpolished, if not out-right broken games these days. Endless monetization and gambling in their sports games, and let's not forget wasting hours of your life trying to unlock characters or equipment using "surprise boxes!"

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